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Fourth Circuit Stays Trial Court Ruling Against Racial Balancing Policy Discriminating Against Asian Applicants to Prominent Virginia Public School
The stay may signal that the federal appellate court will ultimately uphold the school's policy.

Yesterday, the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit stayed a trial court ruling against the new admissions policy at the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, in Fairfax, Virginia (known as "TJ"). The new admissions policy was racially neutral on its face. But federal district Judge Claude Hilton ruled that it was unconstitutional because it was adopted for the purpose of promoting "racial balancing" and, in the process, discriminating against Asian Americans. I wrote about the district court decision (which I think was correct) in greater detail here.
Yesterday's 2-1 ruling by a divided Fourth Circuit panel stays the trial decision, with the result that the new admissions system will go into effect for at least one year. It also signals that the Fourth Circuit might well uphold the policy when they get around to deciding the case on the merits (probably sometime in the next few months, or sooner).
The majority did not issue an official opinion of the court (which is not unusual in rulings on procedural issues, like this one). But Judge Toby Heytens did put out a concurring opinion, which explains his reasoning. Here's a key excerpt:
I… am skeptical of the district court's conclusion that there is no genuine issue of material fact implicated by its conclusion that the Board adopted the current admissions policy for a constitutionally impermissible purpose…. The centerpiece of the district court's analysis on this point is its statement that "the Board's policy was designed to increase Black and Hispanic enrollment, which would, by necessity, decrease the representation of Asian-Americans at TJ."…. (emphasis added).
That approach seems flatly inconsistent with the Supreme Court's decision in Personnel Administrator of Massachusetts v. Feeney, 442 U.S. 256, 279 (1979). Feeney involved a constitutional challenge to a Massachusetts statute mandating a categorical employment preference for qualified veterans over qualified non-veterans. 442 U.S. at 259. Even though "over 98% of the veterans in Massachusetts were male," id. at 270—and even though no one claimed that those who crafted and decided to maintain the law were unaware of that fact—the Supreme Court declined to apply heightened scrutiny. In language directly relevant to this case, the Court specifically held that "awareness of consequences" is not enough to show discriminatory intent and that a plaintiff challenging a facially neutral policy must show that a decisionmaker acted "at least in part 'because of,' not merely 'in spite of,' its adverse effects upon an identifiable group…."
Nor does the fact that the current policy may have been adopted, at least in part,
with the expectation that it would "increase Black and Hispanic enrollment" change this analysis…. Under Feeney, the question is whether the decisionmaker acted "at
least in part because of [a race neutral policy's] adverse effects upon an identifiable group," 442 U.S. at 279…, and the Coalition has never claimed that the challenged policy was motivated by or has any sort of adverse effect on Black or Hispanic applicants.
The most significant flaw in this argument is that Judge Heytens ignores extensive evidence that Fairfax school officials were in fact motivated by a desire to reduce the number of Asian-American students admitted. That reduction was not merely an incidental side effect of the new policy. I summarized some of that evidence here:
[E]vidence [shows] that some decision-makers were also motivated by bias against Asian-American students, such as claims that having too many of them would damage TJ's "culture," negative stereotypes about Asian-American parents and students, and state legislator Mark Keam's fulminations about the "unethical ways" Asian-American parents "push their kids into [TJ]," when those parents are "not even going to stay in America," but instead are "using [TJ] to get into Ivy League schools and then go back to their home country." Keam's sentiments are relevant because, as Judge Hilton found, Fairfax County school officials were influenced in part by pressure from the state government.
Longstanding Supreme Court precedent holds that such evidence of unconstitutional motivation for "facially neutral" policies shifts the burden of proof to the government to show that they would have enacted the same policy even in the absence of illicit motives.
In addition, there is a big difference between the Feeney case and the TJ litigation. In Feeney, the Court not only concluded that the state wasn't motivated by any desire to harm women, but also reasoned that the policy in question (job preferences for veterans) was not motivated by a desire to help men, as such. By contrast, extensive evidence shows that Fairfax County officials were motivated by a desire to promote racial balancing at TJ by increasing the percentage of students from some racial groups, particularly African-Americans and Hispanics.
Even if you set aside specific anti-Asian motives, it is inevitably the case that discriminating in favor of one racial group disadvantages other groups, and does so deliberately. If a public school adopted a facially neutral policy deliberately intended to increase the number of white students, thereby reducing the number of blacks, Judge Heytens would surely have to agree that it is presumptively unconstitutional - even if the evidence showed only that officials wanted to help whites and did not display any special hostility towards blacks.
I think Judge Allison Jones Rushing dealt with these issues much more persuasively in her dissent:
When motivated by discrimination, facially neutral policies like TJ's admissions
plan "are just as abhorrent, and just as unconstitutional, as [policies] that expressly
discriminate on the basis of race." N.C. State Conf. of NAACP v. McCrory, 831 F.3d 204, 220 (4th Cir. 2016); cf. Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 373– 374 (1886) (prohibiting discriminatory enforcement of facially neutral laws). A "[c]hallenger[] need not show that discriminatory purpose was the sole or even a primary motive" behind the policy, "just that it was a motivating factor."McCrory, 831 F.3d at 220….Based on the undisputed evidence before it, the district court found that the Board pursued the policy change "at least in part 'because of,' and not merely 'in spite of,' its adverse effects" upon Asian Americans.Pers. Adm'r of Mass. v. Feeney, 442 U.S. 256, 279 (1979). Specifically, the court determined that the Board acted with an impermissible racial purpose when it sought to decrease enrollment of "overrepresented" Asian-American students at TJ to better "reflect the racial composition" of the surrounding area. As the court explained, Board member discussions were permeated with racial balancing, as were its stated aims and its use of racial data to model proposed outcomes.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly emphasized that racial balancing for its own sake
is unconstitutional. See Fisher v. Univ. of Tex. at Austin, 570 U.S. 297, 311 (2013); Parents Involved in Cmty. Schs. v. Seattle Sch. Dist. No. 1, 551 U.S. 701, 729–730 (2007)…. Racial balancing is no less pernicious if, instead of using a facial quota, the government uses a facially neutral proxy motivated by discriminatory intent. And while the Supreme Court has endorsed certain race-based motivations—specifically to remedy past intentional discrimination or, in higher education, to obtain the benefits of diversity—neither motivation is at issue here.
This ruling is not a definitive resolution of the case. It is just a procedural decision staying the trial court decision. We do not know for sure whether the third member of the panel - Judge Robert Bruce King - agrees with all of Judge Heytens' reasoning.
That said, it seems very possible that the two judges in the majority will ultimately rule n favor of the defendants on the merits. Likelihood of success on the merits is in fact one of the key criteria for an appellate court to stay a trial court judgment.
If the Fourth Circuit does ultimately reverse the trial court, the case could potentially end up in the Supreme Court, because it raises important issues about the use of facially neutral policies to achieve racial balancing that may be even more significant if - as expected - the Supreme Court issues a decision putting tighter constraints on explicit racial preferences in education, in the near future. That could well happen in the Harvard and University of North Carolina cases currently before the Supreme Court.
NOTE: My wife, Alison Somin, is one of the Pacific Legal Foundation public interest lawyers representing the plaintiffs in the TJ case. As links in one of my previous posts about this case demonstrate, I have been writing about these sorts of issues since long before Alison began working at PLF, and my views are much the same as they were before she did so.
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Rushing -Thomas clerk & trump appointee
King - Clinton appointee
This decision shows all judge decisions are feelings, biases, whims, passing moods. None has the slightest validation. This garbage profession is totally toxic to our nation, 10 times more toxic than organized crime.
No surprise there. That's what Democrat judges do. Every day, leftists demonstrate why they can't be reasoned with. They need to be given free helicopter rides. All 120 million of them.
These are your peeps, Volokh Conspirators.
Does this white, male, right-wing blog still try to contend that it enforces civility standards (a claim it makes when trying to smokescreen its repeated, hypocritical imposition of viewpoint-driven censorship against liberals and libertarians)?
At this blog, conservatives regularly call for liberals to be gassed, shot in the face, raped, sent to Zyklon showers, dropped from helicopters, and placed face-down in landfills.
The proprietor does not censor or object.
But liberals are censored repeatedly for using terms such as 'sl_ck-j_wed' and 'c_p succ_r' to describe conservatives, and a libertarian was banned for the crime of making fun of conservatives too deftly for the proprietor's partisan taste.
That's 'free speech,' Volokh Conspiracy style.
I have been reading this blog for many years, before it was hosted on Reason.com even. I have never seen a single comment calling for liberals to be gassed, shot in the face, raped, or any of those other things you mention.
John Rohan,
There have been such comments, from maybe two or three different commenters.
"They need to be given free helicopter rides. All 120 million of them."
John Rohan,
Did you not even read the preceding comment? And, yes, there are regular commenters here who regularly invoke such calls to violence.
The entire suit is a joke. TJ is a discriminatory skool, designed to give the illusion of some special school of specialized discipline for a minority class of smart kids, which was propaganda in the mid 80's during Regan administration, a repeat of late '57 when Sputnik went over. Time to get rid of the school, there are no metrics which even justify its existence. Not that a high school curriculum is predictive of any future performance. But leave it to the lawyers and twisted Asian beliefs to make a mess of something that is discriminatory on its face. Dummies need not apply. They can eventually go to law school and have their own blogs.
Any elite school is, by definition, discriminatory in some way. Should we also eliminate the Ivy League colleges? The service academies?
Even if you set aside specific anti-Asian motives, it is inevitably the case that discriminating in favor of racial Group A disadvantages other groups, and does so deliberately.
So why does that not apply alike to a manifest policy to advantage Asian-Americans at the expense of blacks? Which is the mathematically demonstrable policy on which the school has been operating.
What? You think that is a bad argument? Do you think it is a natural outcome—or at least a righteous outcome—that Asian-Americans get admitted in a proportion nearly three times as large as their proportion among the community which supports the school?
Can we hear the justification for that? By what metric is that disproportion justified? Please be forthright. There must be an admissions policy which remains tacit in the legal arguments. A disproportion as notable as that one does not happen by chance.
Correct me if I get this wrong. I think the unvoiced justification is that Asian-Americans are disproportionately admitted on the basis of superior merit. And that superior merit is identified by presumptively objective criteria—whether those be standardized tests, prior school performance, or other unnamed factors. In short, the over-representation of Asian-Americans is justified by meritocracy.
Even though that presumption is not announced in court, it backstops every other argument. If it did not, there could be no claim that Asian-Americans were disadvantaged or discriminated against at all. Too many get admitted for that.
So, Professor Somin, tell us please where in the law the vindication of meritocracy is a legal requirement. Is it not true that the role of meritocracy remains tacit in this case because it cannot be justified as a basis for a legal decision? If so, where would that leave a decision in favor of Asian-American over-representation justified on some other basis—a basis which is not the one actually deciding the case? Would that be wise?
"the role of meritocracy remains tacit in this case because it cannot be justified as a basis for a legal decision"
I suppose that, if a school district adopted a meritocratic policy with the specific intention of increasing the number of asian-Americans, that would be unconstitutional.
It would be like, for example, setting a literacy test for voting with the motivation of discriminating against a particular race or races.
So I would presume that if the govt could show that its predecessors were racist *in favor* of asian-Americans, they could put forward that evidence and argue that they were just trying to undo the racism of past policies.
In contrast, I would imagine that if, based on a non-racial belief that meritocracy sucks, they adopted a lottery for admission, that would be completely legal.
So I would presume that if the govt could show that its predecessors were racist *in favor* of asian-Americans, they could put forward that evidence and argue that they were just trying to undo the racism of past policies.
But under a tacit presumption of meritocracy, that argument fails.
"I suppose that, if a school district adopted a meritocratic policy with the specific intention of increasing the number of asian-Americans, that would be unconstitutional.
It would be like, for example, setting a literacy test for voting with the motivation of discriminating against a particular race or races."
In Williams v. Mississippi, the Supreme court ruled literacy tests constitutional, so long as they were honestly administered.
In Guinn v. United States, it found that grandfather clause exemptions from such tests were NOT constitutional.
At present, I believe literacy tests are illegal as a matter of federal statutory law, NOT constitutional law.
I've tried, repeatedly. But it never takes. You just keep getting it wrong over and over and over again. (On many subjects — not just this one.)
You keep making such bad arguments on this point that I'm beginning to think that you're motivated by anti-Asian bigotry; you seem very resentful of Asian success in admissions.
There is no evidence of any "policy to advantage Asian-Americans at the expense of blacks." The previous policy (the one in existence before the one being challenged here was implemented) was race neutral, both facially and in terms of its adoption.
That's in contrast to the new policy, which — although it is formally race-neutral — has clear evidence (as detailed by the trial court) that it was adopted based on racial considerations.
That's. Not. How. It. Works.
"We have a lot of black people working here, so we can adopt a policy of hiring two whites for every black from now on" is not a lawful policy. It does not matter whether blacks are already "overrepresented" in the employee pool. That's not a defense when a future black job applicant is turned away.
No, that's not true. It's not true if you say it in this post. It's not true if you say it in the next ten posts on the topic. This case is not about "meritocracy" [sic — you yourself drew a distinction between merit and meritocracy, and then you keep using the wrong word in the discussion]. It's about racial discrimination. You cannot adopt a policy designed deliberately to reduce the number of members of a particular racial group.
TJ is not required to make admissions decision based on merit. It should — that's the whole purpose of the school — but it is not required to. It could make random selections from all the applications. It could do it based on first come, first serve. What it can't do is make race the reason for admissions.
You seem mentally incapable of grasping the difference between a policy that results in fewer Asians being admitted and a policy chosen specifically to reduce the number of Asians admitted. The former is lawful; the latter is not.
Thank you for the illustration, Nieporent.
I asked:
If so, where would that leave a decision in favor of Asian-American over-representation justified on some other basis—a basis which is not the one actually deciding the case?
Your response shows what that kind of decision would look like—just the kind of gobbledegook I expected. This from you shows the point:
There is no evidence of any "policy to advantage Asian-Americans at the expense of blacks." The previous policy (the one in existence before the one being challenged here was implemented) was race neutral, both facially and in terms of its adoption.
Yeah, no evidence at all, except for the results. Compared to prevalence in the community, the former policy delivered striking over-representation for Asian-Americans, and striking under-representation for blacks. Even before implementation, no one who considered it for a moment would have expected any other result. Why? Because it was a policy based on a specific notion of, "merit." And everyone knows what that specific notion is. Permit me to summarize it, sarcastically: Academically, Asian Americans are more meritorious than blacks. But you can't very well say that in a legal decision.
This one from you is good too:
You cannot adopt a policy designed deliberately to reduce the number of members of a particular racial group.
What kind of sense can that make in a legal argument which insists you can hand down a decision to increase the percentage of Asian-Americans? When the judge does it, does the judge just pretend nobody knows that means other groups will be reduced?
Which brings us back to where we started. Before he orders a policy to increase their numbers, the judge needs some other reason to decide Asian-Americans are under-represented. In the face of manifest statistical over-representation, it needs to be a really good reason, not just handwaving about supposed prejudice which somehow delivered a result opposite of what it intended.
Let's be forthright, shall we? Absent the opportunity to use Asian-American admissions as a proxy for white grievance, there would be zero interest in this kind of case among right-wing opponents of affirmative action. This case exists because right wingers want a ruling based on meritocracy. They see meritocracy as a defense of white applicants against affirmative action for blacks. Problem is, meritocracy is not a legal doctrine, or even an acceptable legal excuse, so you have to say something else.
So here is how you get to something else. Everyone understands test score disparities, and how they break down by racial and ethnic groups. A case of this sort is an opportunity to assert tacitly that test scores (or comparable numbers derived otherwise) should dominate admissions decisions, and if blacks bring comparable test scores they can get in—otherwise not. It sounds principled, but nevertheless, "tacitly," is very important, because that cannot be said out loud.
To say it out loud makes a test score an acknowledged proxy for merit, and that ground is hotly contested. The, "meritorious," do not want that contest out in the open. Every time that happens, outright racism from too many of the, "meritorious," turns their argument into a loser.
I suppose I will have to keep repeating these points until you either concede, or howl out your rage that I am calling for injustice for the meritorious.
Finally, because you keep writing stuff like this:
That's. Not. How. It. Works.
I will tell you again that I do not care as much for how it works as I do for what it means. I will say it again and again if I must. It is one thing to understand the law. When you know how the law works, you understand the law. It is another thing altogether to understand what the law means. To do that, you have to understand the activity the law purports to govern.
I do not doubt you understand far better than I do how the law works. For all I know, you may understand better than I do what this application of the law means. But if you do, you hide that part steadfastly. Your insistence on deciding the case only on the basis of how the law works—with the meaning of the law left unconsidered—does you no credit. The history of this nation's worst legal cases about race relations has been full of that kind of insistence—all about how the law works, and to hell with what the law means.
"Yeah, no evidence at all, except for the results."
Your position, essentially, is that if one group excels, and another group does badly, for perfectly sensible and identifiable reasons, (Time spent studying, for instance!) it's discriminatory not to apply enough disadvantage to the group that's exceling to negate their hard work, and allow the group that's not putting in the work to do equally well.
Paging Harrison Bergeron.
I wonder how he explains the over-representation of African Americans in sports, say football or basketball. Are those sports discriminatory?
I'm not a lawyer so you might have to dumb it down for me. Are you saying that it's unconstitutional to use academic achievement (grades, test scores, etc.) as criteria for admissions into an academic institution if the results are disproportionate racial representation?
I'm sure there must be a reason why this analogy isn't going to work for you, but maybe if you explain why it doesn't work I'll better understand your argument: a college basketball team hands out scholarships and places on the team based on basketball "merit." The racial make up of the team ends up disproportionate to the general population. I assume that's perfectly legal and moral.
Is the difference here something like, we can all basically agree on an object definition of "merit" when it comes to basketball but not academics? Even if that might be true, we don't know it's a racist set of criteria simply BECAUSE the results skew to a particular group.
I understand your accusations against conservatives using Asians as some kind of proxy for their hidden white supremacy. I'm asking you to not bother with that argument in your response to me. We can assume you're totally right about that. It doesn't help to enlighten me about your legal (or I guess the WHY behind the legal) argument.
I can also concede that there's probably a better way to judge academic merit than whatever we're doing currently. And if we come up with a better system then I'd guess there's an even better system than that one. I don't know that we'll ever find the perfectly objective system. But I don't think the way we'll know that we've gotten there is perfect proportional racial equity in results. I don't think you would find this to be the perfect test for objective perfection in academic selection, because if it is then a random selection in proper racial proportion would pass that test.
I'm really not trying to straw man your argument or even fight you on it. I'm just trying to completely understand it, both legally and in terms of whatever results you think are best.
Roman Moroni, thanks for a thoughtful and challenging response. I am busy for this evening. I look forward to responding tomorrow.
Of course, I am not a lawyer either, so we may both have to be dumb together. Don't worry though, if either one of us gets out of line and says something smart, we have Nieporent to remind us it was accidental.
RM, to keep this from going too long, let's assume your basketball college is a public school, not a private one. On that basis, it's easy to see that the scholarships you mention provide enhanced opportunity for otherwise academically challenged students to get access to everything the college has to offer.
By comparison, the TJHS admissions policy operates as a bar to the academically challenged, to keep them out, and deny them benefits those admissions policies reserve for others.
So that is a pretty big difference, and I suggest sufficient by itself to critique your would-be analogy.
But maybe you would like to look more closely at the question of basketball skills, vs. academic skills. If so, please note that basketball is a game complete in itself. It does not much stand as a gatekeeper to other social benefits, such as further education, employment opportunities, wealth, public honors, power, public office, etc. To the small extent that it does confer such benefits, they come mostly via . . . more basketball.
That is notably unlike the situation with admissions to TJHS. It is not a game in itself. It is instead a powerful gatekeeper for almost every kind of benefit life has to offer.
So there is another contrast to critique your analogy.
Also, because basketball is so comparatively circumscribed, the qualifications to participate at any given level are readily apparent, and in many ways actually quantifiable by results produced in basketball games. So you have clear criteria inherent in the nature of the game. Those criteria generally do not reach questions beyond the game.
Not so for academic admissions. The benefits conferred by admission to TJHS will not be limited to academic life at TJHS—as if it were an athletic competition—or practically limited in any quantifiable way at all, either with regard to kind or extent.
Those admissions benefits surely will include life-long advantages measurable in terms of all those categories basketball does not usually encompass—the educational opportunities, job opportunities, wealth, power, public office, honors, etc., mentioned above—and which matter far more than athletic rewards to the vast majority of people. During an admissions review, there are no clear criteria to score eligibility for any of that.
That contrast of clear, particular criteria to predict basketball results, and uncertain, ambiguous criteria to predict lifetime educational results, stands as another critique for your analogy.
That seems enough to explain why I am not keen on your analogy. But I do think that taken together, those differences address at least part of your presumption that the legality and morality of the basketball example ought to apply alike to the admissions example. You can at least see in those contrasts part of the reason why I disagree.
Perhaps I can add more, from outside the analogy.
Please ask yourself whether there is forthright, legally cognizable basis for presuming that students with quantifiable academic gifts will benefit more from education at TJHS than would less-academically-prepared but comparably motivated students. Arguably there is more room to improve the lives of the latter. What reason is there to suppose it would not happen that way? Poorly-prepared blacks might well benefit more from admission to TJHS than would some segment of Asian-American kids whose parents' elite circumstances already ticket their offspring for the Ivy League.
Except for their label, I do not know what the actual demographic situation of Asian-American students admitted to TJHS actually is. It would surprise me, given the location where they reside, and the high academic standards the school maintains, if very many Asian-American admissions came from disadvantaged backgrounds comparable to those of black applicants the school either does reject, or would so obviously reject, to achieve such a tiny prevalence of blacks among its student body (apparently barely more than 2%).
There is of course no shortage of academically-deprived Asian-Americans working in non-elite jobs throughout this nation, and doubtless in northern Virginia. Do you suppose it is their children TJHS is mostly admitting? If not, do you see any issue of equity, to set up a school with an admissions policy which essentially reserves education for elite-family access—while historically disadvantaged non-elite blacks also pay for it—along with non-elites from every other ethnic background treated similarly?
What I hope you will think about while you reflect on those questions, is whether you can answer them in any way which does not presume meritocracy as a legally defensible policy—as I mentioned above—to govern the distribution among the population of educational opportunities, job opportunities, wealth, power, public office, honors, etc. If you do suppose meritocracy is a legally justifiable policy, do you also think the criteria defining merit ought to be part of the law, or should they be left vague, and maybe go unmentioned in judicial decisions which nevertheless enforce meritocracy in principle?
Finally, as you may be able to tell by now, while I agree that a lottery might not be ideal, it would strike me as better than the judicial decision this appeal takes up. I would not object to a lottery. I suspect the task to set forth better-than-random standards would likely be defeated by political practicalities.
Perhaps a lottery experiment conducted nationwide would do, with similarly intensive educational efforts in selected schools, coupled with high standards for student commitment, and featuring long-term fact-finding, to determine by experience what kinds of students benefit most.
It would make sense to me to make reasonable prospect of personal betterment—exceeding the betterment prospects of rejected applicants—the general criterion for admission to experimental magnet schools. The work of the experiment would be to render that generalization into specifics.
Note that admitting on that basis might work against applicants so well prepared as to enjoy boundless opportunities already. Note also that I do not suggest such schools should require curriculum identical to TJHS. I do suggest a school similarly equipped, and staff selected, paid, and motivated to deliver comparable effort.
I see no reason why an elite admissions policy ought to bar the offspring of a black carpenter from access to a school with a super-computer, and with teachers qualified to explain how to take advantage of it. If it takes a lottery to get that done, I'm fine with it.
Classic Lathrop: "to keep this from going too long", followed by pages of blather, concluding with an admission of ignorance.
Yes, the whole "I don't know what the socioeconomics are, but I'm going to go on for another twenty minutes about them assuming they fit my narrative" is definitely classic Lathrop.
"any way which does not presume meritocracy as a legally defensible policy"
I think society just fundamentally disagrees with you here - the notion that people with shaky hands should be given the same opportunities to enjoy the benefits of a career as neurosurgeons as people with steady hands just isn't popular among patients.
"I see no reason why an elite admissions policy ought to bar the offspring of a black carpenter from access to a school with a super-computer, ..."
Indeed so. Similarity, the policy ought not to bar the offspring of an Hmong carpenter, a Muslim carpenter, a Baptist carpenter, etc, etc. To generalize, admissions criteria can't discriminate based on race, religion, national origin, etc. Glad we agree!
Note that they can discriminate based on parental income, so it's easy to give poor kids a leg up.
Absaroka, do you endorse the notion of meritocracy, enforced legally to govern the distribution among the population of jobs, wealth, power, office, honors, etc.? If so, should the criteria for merit be decided by legislators, stipulated by policy makers and bureaucrats, laid down by judges, or left unstated? On which of those alternatives does society just fundamentally agree?
I think you're making two arguments that are loosely connected: a legal argument and an argument for your preferred policy.
As far as the legal one goes, I believe you're either just mistaken or I'm still misinterpreting you.
"What I hope you will think about while you reflect on those questions, is whether you can answer them in any way which does not presume meritocracy as a legally defensible policy..."
What do you mean by "legally defensible"? It is absolutely legal, if that's what you mean so I'm not sure why I'd have to defend it. I guess I'm not familiar enough with this type of public high school to know who exactly gets to decide admissions policies, and if there are legal guidelines other than the obvious constitutional ones. I've never heard that test scores, grades, essays, or things like that are illegal criteria to use in certain states or districts.
Before I go into the other part of your argument, can you clarify if I'm understanding your legal position?
Be careful. Lathrop pulls this slippery rhetorical trick where he sometimes uses meritocracy as something different than merit, but then other times uses them interchangeably.
Shorter Lathrop: "I don't like the idea of merit."
I mean, that's a personal preference, and in a democracy if he has enough votes he can enact that preference into law, sacrificing elite schools on the altar of 'equity.' What he can't do under our system is sacrifice them to the gods of racial balancing.
To be sure, I think he fundamentally doesn't understand what makes an elite school elite, but that's a policy question rather than a legal one. If he wants to admit students to TJ via lottery (he has not offered any other screening mechanism) and thinks this will somehow benefit the admittees rather than undermining the school, like I said: find the votes for that. But he doesn't get to say, "We need more blacks and fewer Asians in this school. Let's pick a metric that will get us there."
If you have a calculus class, and you have one well-motivated student who hasn't previously taken pre-calculus, maybe they can work hard and catch up. If you have 10 such students, you're probably going to spend class time reviewing those concepts, and that's going to affect the pacing of the class.
So it's not just about those students; it's about all the other students.
Exactly: no evidence.
You think that when TJ was opened, the school board sat down and said, "We want this school to have a ton of Asian students. We need to set admissions policies that will make sure they all get in"? And if asked to prove that, you'd say, "Well, look at all the Asian students there"? Do you also think that the "overrepresentation" of blacks in the NBA proves that the rules were designed for the purpose of increasing the number of black players?
The judge did no such thing. You gave away your misunderstanding above: you fail to grasp the difference between a policy that will "result" in a certain distribution by race and a policy intended to achieve a certain distribution by race.
If by "where we started," you mean your misunderstanding, then yes. That's not what the judge did.
That's. Not. What. He. Decided.
Yes, lets: you don't like Asian-Americans. That's evident from the fact that you seem to bitterly resent the fact that they don't want to be discriminated against. But you can't actually defend that position, so you invent some fantasy in which they don't have agency of their own and they're just the tools of racist white people.
No, that's just transparent bullshit to avoid admitting you don't understand the discussion at all. You pull this disingenuous crap all the time: you say something utterly wrong about the law, and then when called on it you humblebrag how you admit you don't understand the law but you understand what it "means." But let's be forthright: you understand neither. Your claim was about the law, and it was wrong.
Yes. That's called the rule of law.
"Which is the mathematically demonstrable policy on which the school has been operating. "
Mathematics has nothing to do with policy critique. The facts are that facially neutral selection criteria produce a racially disproportionate results.. You don't like that.
So explain just why you object to equal treatment under the law, because that is what you are arguing for. BTW, both Black and Whites get disadvantaged with respect to Asians.
Why is that bad?
Why do you hate Asians so much that you want to stack the deck against them?
So this is where Stephen declares that as a progressive he believes Blacks are inherently inferior to others and that is why yest score application metrics are racist. Good job, next time take off the pointy white hood before you start posting.
Apparently the key words here:
"… the Coalition has never claimed that the challenged policy was motivated by or has any sort of adverse effect on Black or Hispanic applicants."
Yeah, the policy was intended to be adverse to Asians. Do Asians matter? Apparently not to these judges. Adverse policy toward Asians seems to be a thought that can not be understood or considered by some judges.
Obviously, they think one cannot be racist against Asians or Wypipo.
Ben suddenly comes out for disparate impact analysis.
No he doesn't, he notes that the policy was intended to be adverse to Asians. That's not disparate impact, that's intentional discrimination.
The person talking about adverse effect was the judge.
No, he's on favor of looking at (very clear!) parol evidence of the intentions behind a policy that is racially neutral on its face.
Actually the words show that the judge either:
- wasn’t paying attention and doesn’t understand the case
- is incapable of understanding discrimination as something that can happen to Asians
- is pretending to misunderstand and acting dumb because the judge likes this discrimination and wants it to continue
- is a poor communicator or merely a communicator who failed here (or was misquoted or quoted out of context)
It’s also possible that more than one of these is true.
The quote makes the judge looks like a fool at best.
Ben suddenly comes out for disparate impact analysis.
Sarcastr0 suddenly comes out for racial discrimination.
A sociological observation - tl;dr version, several majority justices (and one dissenter) in the veterans preference case served in the military in WWII. Could this have affected their views of veterans' preferences?
Looking at the seven members of the majority in the veterans-preference case, I find the following in Wikipedia:
"[Opinion author Potter] Stewart served in World War II as a member of the U.S. Naval Reserve aboard oil tankers."
"[John Paul Stevens] began work on his master's degree in English at the university in 1941 but soon decided to join the United States Navy. He enlisted on December 6, 1941, one day before the attack on Pearl Harbor, and served as an intelligence officer in the Pacific Theater from 1942 to 1945. Stevens was awarded a Bronze Star for his service in the codebreaking team whose work led to the downing of Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's plane in 1943 (Operation Vengeance)."
"During World War II, [Byron] White served as an intelligence officer in the Navy, and was stationed in the Pacific Theatre. He originally wanted to join the Marines, but was kept out due to being colorblind. He wrote the intelligence report on the sinking of future President John F. Kennedy's PT-109. For his service, White was awarded two Bronze Star medals, and was honorably discharged as a lieutenant commander in 1945."
"[William Rehnquist] attended Kenyon College, in Gambier, Ohio, for one quarter in the fall of 1942 before entering the U.S. Army Air Forces. He served from 1943 to 1946, mostly in assignments in the United States."
"During World War II, [Lewis Powell] first tried to join the United States Navy but was rejected because of poor eyesight, so he joined the US Army Air Forces as an Intelligence officer. After receiving his commission as a first lieutenant in 1942, he completed training at bases near Miami, Florida and Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. He was assigned to the 319th Bombardment Group, which moved to England later that year. He served in North Africa during Operation Torch and was later assigned to the Headquarters of the Northwest African Air Forces. There, Powell served in Sicily during the Allied invasion of Sicily.
"In August 1943, he was assigned to the Intelligence staff of the Army Air Forces in Washington, D.C. Slated for assignment as an instructor at the facility near Harrisburg, he worked instead on several special projects for the AAF headquarters until February 1944. He was then assigned to the Intelligence staff of the Department of War and then the Intelligence staff of United States Strategic Air Forces in Europe. Powell was assigned to the Ultra project, as one of the officers designated to monitor the use of intercepted Axis communications. He worked in England and in the Mediterranean Theater and ensured that the use of Ultra information was in compliance with the laws of war, and that the use of such information did not reveal the source, which would have alerted that the code had been broken. He advanced through the ranks to colonel, and received the Legion of Merit, Bronze Star Medal, and French Croix de Guerre with bronze palm. He was discharged in October 1945."
(As for the two dissenters, "During World War II, [William] Brennan was commissioned in the Army as a major in March 1942, and left as a colonel in 1945. He did legal work for the ordnance division.")
Well they are all gone, and now there are no combat veterans left on the Supreme Court. That would have been nice if Biden considered that point when he nominated the latest justice, if he was really trying to have a diverse court.
Do we know that the same panel will hear the merits of the case? In the Ninth Circuit, there is a motions panel that hears procedural questions like this prior to a merits panel being assigned to an appeal. The composition of the motions panel and merits panel can and typically is completely different. If the same holds true for the Fourth Circuit, then the feeling of the panel that heard this motion to stay has little bearing on the ultimate outcome of the appeal.
The 4th Circuit has an 8-6 majority of Dem judges* (or unhealthy depending on your point of view) with one more vacancy for Joe to fill. So even if the school were to draw an unfortunately right wing panel, it can be en-banked quick enough.
* Note the Chief Judge is actually a Baby Bush appointee - but is actually a holdover Clinton nominee (and recess appointee), who Dubya re-nominated as an olive branch to the Dems in the Senate. What a fool that man was. And remains.
It's not automatic, but it's likely. "Every effort is made to assign cases for oral argument to judges who have had previous involvement with the case on appeal through random assignment to a preargument motion or prior appeal in the matter, but there is no guarantee…"
That's IOP-34.1.
Well although the victims in this case are Asian that’s not the common thread,
Discrimination is apparently always OK if it benefits blacks
That's because blacks, with their average IQ of 85, cannot compete on a proportional basis without discrimination in their favor.
We need reserved spots for whites and Asians in the NBA. The need is greatest for the shortest of them. The same goes for the "unearned" black supremacist privilege effect in the NFL.
If the two games are destroyed by underperforming, slow footed, fumblers, so be it. Equity would be achieved. Equity is the goal, not equal opportunity.
We learned this decades ago -- in the 70s, I think -- when government Affirmative Action programs were upheld.
The Supreme Court needs to stay this now. Not let it "percolate" for another for years.
I think this percolation meme is highly insidious.
If an issue is important enough to be decided at some time in the future, then it's important enough to be decided as early as possible. If they get a case presenting an issue they've resolved to tackle sometime, let them make sometime...now.
Yes. I could possibly understand it if it's a very novel issue, where the Supreme Court justices may very well be convinced by the lower court decisions (or dissents). But that's not the case on hot button issues like abortion, the 2nd Amendment, or affirmative action. Everyone has made up their minds on that. The SCOTUS judges know how they're going to rule.
Just get it done, and let us know where you stand.
So the defendants' argument is: "We don't intend to hurt Asians, we just intend to benefit Blacks and Hispanics." And the judge bought it? This ad hoc picking of winners and losers along racial lines seems so unconstitutional on its face that it amazes me that our judicial system is twisting itself into a pretzel to keep it alive.
If you think of them as advocates for one side instead of judges it makes sense.
It's as "racially neutral" as the geographic quotas used by the Ivies only 70 years ago to keep Jews out.
Professor Somin may not like it, but the Supreme Court has in the past upheld indirect means of increasing black enrollment (e.g. focusing on income) despite that being the intention. Perhaps a Supreme Court with new membership may see fit to change that. Perhaps, as Processor Somin argues, it should. But any change in law, whatever one thinks of the merits, should come only from the Supreme Court after full briefing and argument, not from a lower court on a motion for preliminary injunction.
The Supreme Court has never upheld racial balancing as a goal — whatever the means chosen to get there — in the primary/secondary school context.¹ Only in college and above.
¹ Except as a remedial measure to address actual past acts of discrimination by the school.
Ig hasn’t? What about all those court-ordered district-wide busing cases that followed Brown v. Board of Education? These cases never happened? An individual school was hardly the level at which these district-wide cases operated
At any rate, it’s not enough to say the Suoreme Court never endorsed something to get an injunction against it.
Maybe you need to re-read the footnote. That is a remedy for past discrimination.
Thank goodness right-wingers are so tone-deaf and stupid that they voluntarily discuss their bigoted, obsolete, downscale views in public.
And thank goodness for the American culture war.
Carry on, clingers . . . so far as your betters permit, anyway.
Please don't interpret my comments as "anti-Asian": I have several Asians in my extended family, and my impression is that Asians, as a group, earn their success. But TJ is a public high school, supported by the taxpayers of Fairfax County, the majority of whom are White, and under 20% of whom are Asian. Is it bigotted for the officials of the County to be concerned about maintaining public support for an elite high school that most of their constituents "know" that their children have "no chance" of attending? What if the alternative is to close TJ, because of lack of public support?
Yes. Also, their children have the same chance of attending as anyone else of equal accomplishments.
+1 to what DMN says above, and additionally, you can look at schools for the gifted two ways. One is to say 'they help the already gifted to excel/earn more/etc'.
But another way to look at them is 'they help the gifted to excel so they are better able to find a cure for cancer/invent the transistor/etc' - things that benefit us all. The vast majority of us don't have the talent to make major advances in the human condition, but we all benefit from the few who do.
They may benefit as well, but I'm OK if someone who cures cancer gets paid well for it. To try and hold them back from the best they can do hurts us all.
Yes. Setting aside race, a government can decide that it would rather spend its resources on its weaker students, to try to bring them up, rather than on its stronger ones, to try to make them excel. That's a policy decision, not a legal one.
But it's a bad policy decision, for two reasons: (1) people excelling is important; and (2) if a government chooses the first option, many of the top students (or, rather, their parents) are going to vote with their feet. They'll either move to jurisdictions that don't value mediocrity or they'll move private schools. At which point TJ will cease to be an elite school.
They might want to try to make the other high schools less substandard and mediocre (if they cared about serving the public).