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Assassination as a Tool of Foreign Policy
In light of some recent discussions, I thought I'd repost some tentative thoughts on the subject (based on a 2005 post of mine), and see what the rest of you think.
1. Morality: Government-sponsored assassination is essentially an act of war; it's an attempt to affect another nation's government policy by military force. Nonetheless, if an invasion is morally justified, it seems to me that an assassination is if anything more so. It would be an odd morality that allowed the killing of enemy soldiers, many of whom are personally morally innocent, but forbade the killing of their commander-in-chief—or even ostensibly civilian leaders of the enemy government—who may be morally culpable indeed.
Idi Amin was ultimately driven from power by a Tanzanian invasion (which was prompted by a Ugandan invasion of Tanzania, but would have been eminently justified even without that). If the Tanzanians or others could have stopped Amin's murders by assassinating Amin, and without killing any Ugandan soldiers, that would have been even better.
The same goes for many other tyrants, though naturally not for every leader you dislike: Just as invasions are unjustified in most certain circumstances, so are assassinations (especially of democratic leaders, where the people's self-government as well as the leader's right to live are implicated). My point is simply that assassinations are no morally worse than other acts of war, and likely morally better than many such acts.
(I set aside for purposes of this post questions about whether and when such assassinations violate either domestic law or international law; the "morality" inquiry is about whether they're inherently wrong, not just about whether they violate the legal rules, since presumably we can change any executive orders or statutes, or withdraw from any treaties, that we think are too constraining. For an item on one corner of the legal question, see here.)
Note that I use the term "assassinate" because I don't want to sugarcoat what would be happening—the deliberate killing of a particular person. But if you think that "assassinate" inherently carries a connotation of improper deliberate killing (or has a particular legal meaning that excludes legitimate killing), just mentally replace the use of "assassinate" throughout this post with "targeted killing."
2. Practicality: The chief problems with assassination, it seems to me, are practical ones.
First, assassination will only do so much—it will remove one person, but it may see him replaced with someone who is equally bad, or it may lead to a bloody fight for succession, which may yield more deaths of innocents than the tyrant was responsible for. As someone pointed out recently, Brutus, how did the assassination of Julius Caesar work out for your "sic semper tyrannis" position?
Especially if the assassination is done for humanitarian reasons (which may sound odd, but as the Amin hypothetical shows, would be eminently plausible), a humanitarian would want to make sure that the act will really do more good than harm. In many (though not all) situations, an invasion is a much surer way of accomplishing your goals than an assassination would be.
Second, democracies have much more to lose from an increase in the number of foreign policy assassinations than do tyrannies. As best I can tell, foreign policy assassinations are quite rare, even among countries that are quite hostile to each other, to the point of war or near war.
This condition—perhaps a tacit understanding—is very good for democracies. Civilian leaders in democratic governments, including ones who have a great deal of power, are generally soft targets except at the very highest levels (e.g., President or Vice President): They are often seen in public, and they generally live as the people do. That's good; we want our political leaders to meet with ordinary citizens, and to live like ordinary citizens. In autocratic governments, power is generally much more centralized, and the few who have power can much more easily live in bunkers, and always be under heavy guard.
If a spate of foreign policy assassinations leads more countries (and nongovernmental groups) to adopt this tactic, tyrants could protect themselves to a considerable extent, with little effect on their ability to govern. What's more, they probably won't be much deterred by the risk of assassination, unless we can make the risk very high: They knew the job was very dangerous when they took it, and they are likely the sorts of people who can live quite well with this sort of risk.
On the other hand, politicians in democratic countries could protect themselves only through steps that would substantially change, and change for the worse, the way our democracies function. Also, quite a few democratic politicians might conclude that the job isn't worth the risk. Naturally, there will always be some who are willing to take the risk. But I'm not sure that we want that sort of self-selection effect, in which political positions are increasingly taken only by people who want them so much that they're willing to ignore mortal danger to get them.
Of course, this all presupposes that our attempts at assassinating others' leaders will lead others to assassinate our leaders; and this may be a mistaken presupposition, because I suspect that most of our enemies and potential enemies aren't exactly animated by a sense of fair play here. Yet the fact is that, despite the softness of many of our targets (again, not the President or Vice President but many other important leaders), our enemies—even in past shooting wars—have not generally gone after them. Likely this was often because they feared retaliation on our part. But I suspect that there was a bit of a tacit deal involved there, and if I'm right, then some violations of the deal could lead the whole deal to break down. (And, yes, I know that there have been violations of the deal already; but sometimes such deals survive a few breaches, but fall apart once a tipping point is reached.)
3. Never say never: This having been said, there will of course be exceptions. Hitler was an unusual enough figure even within Germany, and the worth of killing him was so great, that assassinating him would have been very much worthwhile (though also very hard, as many would-be German assassins learned). When we're fighting a broader war, the killing of high military and quasi-military officers may be necessary, and might not materially increase the risk of retaliation beyond what it would be in any case. Still, it seems to me that if you look at the big picture, the seemingly cheap step of assassination may generally be much more expensive than it appears.
In any case, these are just some tentative thoughts—I'm most surely no expert on the question—and I'd love to hear what others think.
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The enemy command and control structure is considered a legitimate military target. Before drones, it was a lot harder to get an agent close enough to do the job. A lot of bombs were dropped trying to do this way back when we numbered the wars.
EV forgot something. It is correct. Heads of state are fungible. The head of state is a figurehead for the oligarchic families he represents. They make the real policies. Usually these policies greatly enrich them.
In utility, you kill the sovereign, and the oligarchic families, down to the last kitten. In the case of Hitler, there were 20 families who had all his beliefs, down to reliance on astrology. The contributed $5000 to his campaign, and made $millions off government looting and contracts.
The Allies hanged Nazi functionaries. They were following orders, lawyer dumbasses. These oligarchic families that caused the war were recruited to restart the German economy. They got richer than under Hitler. That is maddening stupidity by the lawyer profession. The stupidity is stunning to any high school grad.
"...though also very hard, as many would-be German assassins learned..."
They did not have the Boeing Ghost Bat. It should have an enhanced facial recognition function.
At some point of great miniaturization, the ability to assassinate sovereigns by drone will be in the grasp of ordinary people. That is when democracy will thrive, when the state is more afraid of its people than the reverse. Ukraine likely has that ability now. I do not know why they don't do it, save for misguided legal advice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Free people will have militarized drones. But the military will have even more of them.
Making the state afraid is not how you get more free. When the leadership is scared, you get more oppression. See, e.g. Josef Stalin's later years.
Stalin was poisoned.
Did his people live free, before or after?
All the child like commenters including Eugene are talking about assassination of a fungible figurehead. You must assassinate the oligarchs that put him in power along with their heirs. Grow up, please.
Sounds complicated. Are you arguing that we should just kill everyone we don't like, extrajudicially?
Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was assassinated by the US during WW2. From a military standpoint, it was a good decision. Killing Adm. Yamamoto hurt the Japanese war effort & had a negative impact on Japanese moral and boosted US moral. One key question asked before killing Adm. Yamamoto was authorized was if there was going to be someone better to replace him.
Given the current state of the Iraq & Libya, it may have been better to leave Sadsam Hussein & Muammar Gaddafi alive & in charge.
The question to ask is who would replace the regime and would they be better than the current one? This question needs to be answered for any assassination. Often the answer is "Meet the new regime, worse than the old one".
I would not characterize an attack on armed military bombers an 'assassination', but rather an attack.
The attacks on Yamamoto was a targeted attack against an individual. I believe it is legitimate to claim that is an assassination. If the attack was against a formation of plains which happened to be carrying an admiral, then I believe one could describe it as you.
In either case, I believe it was a legitimate military target, as you mentioned, to eliminate the enemy command and control structure.
When a sniper takes out an enemy commander, that's a targeted killing, but is it really an "assassination"?
If there's a mission to take out a commander, it's an assassination.
If there's a target of opportunity, well...
"Given the current state of the Iraq"
An [imperfect] democracy with no mass killings and an autonomous Kurdish area.
Does that make your life better??
Billy,
Please recall that the US had attempted and failed to assassinate Qaddafi once before
And McStain and Grahamnesty warned Qaddafi to his face to not give the Lockerbie bomber a hero’s welcome and he did because he believed America was too weak after Iraq and Assghanistan to do anything about it.
An interesting experimental control for your hypothesis might be analysis of the 2013 cancer death of Hugo Chavez and replacement by Nicolás Maduro, and impact on Venezuela in the years since.
Offhand, I'm not sure anything is different, but I'm not a Venezuela expert.
If you believe the conspiracy theorists, Hugo Chavez was an active participant in stealing the 2020 election.
This is just one of the many reasons to ignore the conspiracy theorists and their theories.
If anyone here is surprised that Volokh is a fan of assassination then you are either new here or you haven't been paying attention.
Charles are you a fan of a $trillion in breakage, and in the pointless killing of tens of thousands of working people? Look up utilitarianism.
Discussion the pro-con of assassination seems a more practical debate than Somin's universal suggestion that we defeat them by inviting them all in to the US, no questions asked.
perhaps a tacit understanding
The understanding is that if one power starts doing it, all of them will start doing it. That is why the U.S. gave Saddam medical care and a show trial when they found him and not a 50-cent bullet. Due process and all that.
It depends on who you are. OBL was not in that category. Putin obviously is.
"The understanding is that if one power starts doing it, all of them will start doing it."
That is not the understanding. Putin has had several people assassinated, enough that he has a favorite method, which is poisoning with polonium.
Are you sure that's still his favorite method?
I think he has moved on to applying nerve agents to underwear or doorknobs or putting it in perfume.
I'm not a Republican, so I'm not as enamored of Mr. Putin as to be following his daily shifts in policy.
It worked really well in Vietnam 1963. I'm Probably the only one in the room who was alive then, seems there was another major Assassination in 63', in some Southern city...
I was alive then. Among my earliest memories was being sent home from 1st grade at lunch because someone shot JFK.
So did the Diem assassination help look or hurt the effort to hold back the communists?
The Diem assassination likely had no effect on the effort to hold back the communists, for the very good reason that the only reason the Viet Cong were communist was because we (America) did not help them in their fight for liberation against the French. We could have held back the communists in southeast Asia by choosing to support the nationalist Vietnamese who'd already pushed out Imperial Japan and were resisting the French attempt to re-establish their colonies. But, we needed France to create NATO and unify western Europe against the commies in Russia and the Russian satellite-states, so we backed the French right up until they had enough and went home. Then we backed Diem Ho Chi Minh needed war supplies, and got them from China by telling the Chinese about the glorious communist society he was going to build in Vietnam.
Turned out most of the Vietnamese people wanted to live in a Vietnam run by Vietnamese people, rather than one run by European or American puppets, so once the Europeans and Americans went home, the puppets didn't last long. It also turned out that the glorious communist society promised to China was largely only sold to China, and not much in the way of global interests was lost to the commies when they took over Vietnam. Some hardcore commies took over in Cambodia, and eventually Vietnam invaded and pushed those guys out.
I don't necessarily disagree with the assassination might kill more civilians premise, but I have to wonder whether it matters that the dead civilians in that case are likely of the country that undertook what we are saying is an unjust invasion as a given.
That is to say, country B (for belligerent) invades country I (for Innocent). I manages to kill B's leader(s) setting off a power struggle in B. Should it matter to I's decision-making process that civilians in B will suffer? (I suspect that power struggles in B will likely have most of their impact in B).
I would answer that question 'no', the only duty that I's government should have are to citizens of I. B's citizens don't enter into this calculus at all. I would also say that I's citizens voluntarily resident in B are just going to have to take their chances.
But what should Facebook's foreign policy be?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-instagram-temporarily-allow-calls-violence-against-russians-2022-03-10/
https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/
Facebook and its community standards are a load of crap. The fact that they arbitrarily suspend their own rules as it suits them demonstrates that in fact, they have no standards other than those they decide to use at any given time.
Whether that lack of standards is evidence to be used in a lawsuit against Facebook by someone who had been banned for violating those standards, I am unsure. But it sounds nice to consider.
"Facebook and its community standards are a load of crap. The fact that they arbitrarily suspend their own rules as it suits them demonstrates that in fact, they have no standards other than those they decide to use at any given time. "
Is this not the point of owning things? So that you get to decide who uses it, and for what?
So take your lawsuit from someone who was banned from Facebook, and cover your ears to keep from hearing the laughing right at you when you assert that YOU had a property right in your Facebook account that they took away from you.
If you don't like the way Facebook runs their system, don't use their system to do anything. At that point, you no longer have to care what Facebook's policies are, or how (or if) they are enforced.
The Hitler example having been cited as an assassination target, it has always been my understanding the military or military intelligence vetoed plans for his elimination toward the end of the war. The reasons cited included his poor military decision making and not wanting to make him a martyr of national socialism.
Earlier in the war (1942) the Czech Government in Exile's plan to assassinate Heydrich (which required active logistical support from the British) was approved at a rather low level in the British military hierarchy, and deliberately not passed up the chain of command, and certainly not as far as the politicians.
Which highlights another problem with using assassination as a policy. There's no guarantee, if you are the President, or the Prime Minister, that the Swamp beneath you will consult you before having a pop at some foreign leader. And when they do, you're still going to be blamed if anyone finds out who was behind it.
I never knew that background part. But you make a good point.
After the last election, there was an attempt to disrupt the peaceful transition of power in the US. this was caused at least in part because a substantial portion of the population was prepared to believe a vast conspiracy that included (at a minimum) thousands of people had pulled off a plot to steal the election. Now throw assassinations on top of that. If a US leader has an opposition leader assassinated, how likely is it that a denial will be believed?
A common theme of science fiction stories was time travel, and why didn't every inventor if a working time machine travel back in time to kill Hitler before he could rev up the Nazi war machine. In one that I remember the plot of, but not the title or author, multiple attempts are made to remove Hitler, but all the alternative timelines turn out to be worse.
I disagree with "democracies have much more to lose from an increase in the number of foreign policy assassinations than do tyrannies. As best I can tell, foreign policy assassinations are quite rare, even among countries that are quite hostile to each other, to the point of war or near war.
This condition—perhaps a tacit understanding—is very good for democracies. Civilian leaders in democratic governments, including ones who have a great deal of power, are generally soft targets except at the very highest levels (e.g., President or Vice President): They are often seen in public, and they generally live as the people do. That's good; we want our political leaders to meet with ordinary citizens, and to live like ordinary citizens. In autocratic governments, power is generally much more centralized, and the few who have power can much more easily live in bunkers, and always be under heavy guard."
Democracies have a much clearer succession procedure. People get to pick the next leader. If you assassinate a democratically elected leader, you will more than likely end up with a leader who pursues the same policy. If Biden died tomorrow (there is a fair chance he will die soon given his age), Harris will pursue the same policies. JFK was assassinated. So was Lincoln. The government moved on smoothly. Policy did not change that much in my opinion.
In contrast, totalitarian leaders rule through fear and the succession order is murky. Upon death, a power vacuum and infighting ensues. Totalitarian leaders much more closely guard themselves with loyalists (like Putin). These leaders have much more to fear from internal power struggles than an external assassination.
For that last reason, assassination of totalitarian dictators like Putin is much harder: They have spent their career guarding against internal threats, so guarding against external ones is straightforward. The loyalists who guard Putin are not likely to be infiltrated by the US or UK, let alone internal factions. In fact, it would probably be an internal faction that allows the US to assassinate Putin, because that gives them plausible deniability.
To expand my examples: If Boris Johnson or Emmanuel Macron were assassinated it would not change the foreign policy of either country that much. That's because the policies the leaders pursuing are already popular. Democratically elected leaders often change position ("aka flip flop") in response to opinion polls - a feature or a bug in a democracy (depending on your perspective).
Significant chance of Boris Johnson being replaced by a Remainer, who would stealthily reverse Brexit in fact if not in name.
Pundits predicted that last time too. We will see.
Last time ? Has Boris been assassinated before ?
Dying is only one of the ways to stop being Prime Minister.
I think the argument that Eugene is making is not people like the President and VP, or foreign leaders, like the PMs of countries, but more like members of Congress.
Let's say, hypothetically, the US tries to assassinate a foreign leader and fails. That country responds by sending a team of assassins to the US. But rather than target some hard targets (like the President), they go after some softer targets. A House Minority Whip, a Secretary of the Treasury, a Scotus justice, a sitting Senator...
We've seen how easily a nutjob can almost take out a House Minority Whip, and he even had a security details. Imagine if it was someone trained doing the shooting. Create enough "holes", and people don't want the job of replacing who was shot.
Assassinating a few people in a body of 532 is going to matter even less than assassinating the president, Secretary of Defense, etc.
Depends who you are assassinating....
Assassinate the right 5 GOP or Democratic Senators
And US foreign policy suddenly changes, as the Senate vote changes.
Why? It would slow down the process, not change the policy. The 5 chosen will simply be replaced by like-minded Senators.
dwb68: Wouldn't a Democratic Senator from a state with a Republican Governor (and especially a Republican Governor and a Republican electorate, such as West Virginia) likely be replaced with a Republican? Likewise with the converse situation.
Depends on how your hypothetical Republican-leaning state wound up with a Democratic Senator, or the converse.
Republican and Democrat at the local level follow local politics. Larry Hogan (gov MD) is more a Democrat by national standards. Joe Manchin (WV) is more a republican on many issues.
Politicians have to occupy an overton window to survive--the overton window of their constituents.
A state with a Republican gov and Dem senator (or vice versa) is a swing state. Swing state Senators ( ala Joe Manchin) or near swing states (Kyrsten Sinema) have to be "middle of the road" to get elected. It's impossible to move too far left or right and survive.
Consider the "Trump Score" - how often Senators voted with Trump
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/
Heitcamp, Donnelly, Jones, McCaskill, all Democrats that spent a lot of time fighting their own party, voting with Trump as much as they could get away with. They were all to the right of other Dems, just not as far as they needed to be to survive.
If Manchin were replaced, his replacement would reflect WV politics. Manchin is practically a Republican by national standards and often gets blasted by his own party.
In a state with a Democrat Senator and Republican governor (and vice versa), both the gov and senator will overlap a lot in the states' overton window, so to me the overton window of the incumbent won't be all that different from the replacement.
You're assuming a continuity that just isn't there DWB.
Manchin is far, far more "Democratic" than a replacement Senator from WV would be.
Let's assume the following. You lose the Democratic Senators from WV, OH, MT, and one each from GA and AZ. Those are replaced with GOP Senators. You then see a large shift in policy.
This of course doesn't account for the outsized influence some Senators have in regards to foreign affairs. A John McCain or John Kerry or Lindsay Graham...replace them and their attitudes on foreign affairs with someone different, and policy can change.
You perceive this large gap that I just don't see show up in voting patterns. The difference between Murkowski, Collins, Tester, Manchin, Portman, Brown, and Sinema is at the margin at best.
1. The "Margin" is where policy is made.
2. You're comparing the moderates. Why assume that? Let's look at Georgia as a case example.
Georgia's current Senators are Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock. They vote with Biden 98% and 95% of the time. Amazingly often for what is, at best, an even state.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/jon-ossoff/
Realistically, their replacement should vote like Ron Johnson of Wisconsin or Toomey of PA...only 45% of the time (or 33% of the time) with Biden, based on how close their state was.
I agree that Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock look like outliers. I also thought Heitcamp and Jones were outliers.
Outliers happen. Does it matter? If we are right those two are outliers (way outside their states overton window and their election was a fluke), they will get creamed in the general. Also if you are right, they will move right for the general election to preserve themselves.
The thing about democracy is that we get to peacefully overthrow them on a regular basis. That makes the whole "what would happen if we assassinate them" somewhat moot. The next person is most likely to be the same as the last person. And the nearer you are to an upcoming election, the more a politicians survival instincts kick in and they move to the center.
"You're assuming a continuity that just isn't there DWB.
Manchin is far, far more "Democratic" than a replacement Senator from WV would be. "
So if you made that swap, what would actually change? Beyond the fact that a newly-elected replacement Senator won't be on the same committees.
Um, whatever the merits of your point, Lincoln was a pretty damn poor example of it. Johnson was a drastic departure from Lincoln.
And yet, reconstruction proceeded largely according to Lincoln's plans after his death. Johnson made changes at the margin, to the rights of freed slaves, but overall based his plans on Lincoln's 10% plan. The alternative (the Radical Republican's plans to divide the south and give land to freedmen) might have been a drastic departure.
Government-sponsored assassination is essentially an act of war
And consequently may provoke a response of actual war. On the other hand, it’s much more deniable than an actual invasion.
an invasion is a much surer way of accomplishing your goals than an assassination would be
But much more expensive. Also it depends what your goals are. You may not care which particular homicidal maniac rules Ruritania, so long as he keeps it in Ruritania, and doesn’t kill your citizens who happen to be visiting Ruritania. If he steps over that line, you might choose to assassinate him even if he’s going to be replaced by an equally unpleasant guy. Who will at least know for sure that your policy really is “you’d better keep it in Ruritania.”
Also, quite a few democratic politicians might conclude that the job isn't worth the risk. Naturally, there will always be some who are willing to take the risk. But I'm not sure that we want that sort of self-selection effect, in which political positions are increasingly taken only by people who want them so much that they're willing to ignore mortal danger to get them.
Maybe, maybe not. It might weed out most of those who just want to use office to make a quick buck, or a few hundred million bucks, and leave only those with a sense of obligation to serve. After all plenty of decent folk volunteer for the military, knowing that that carries some risk of death or injury, but they do it all the same, and by no means all of them just for the paycheck.
Hitler was an unusual enough figure even within Germany, and the worth of killing him was so great, that assassinating him would have been very much worthwhile (though also very hard, as many would-be German assassins learned).
Hard, if you wanted to survive yourself, which was the problem that the German would-be assassins faced. But Hitler was all over the place with armed men a few feet from him. Including plenty of those who wanted him dead. And if von Stauffenberg had chosen to be a suicide bomber, rather than use a timer and go out to “take a phone call” – the Fuhrer would have been toast. Literally.
Von Stauffenberg himself was hardly a coward, nor Fellgiebel for that matter. But it’s surprising, given that many of them had seen action, how many of the July conspirators turned out to have spines of jelly.
"And if von Stauffenberg had chosen to be a suicide bomber, rather than use a timer and go out to “take a phone call” – the Fuhrer would have been toast."
There was a suicide bomber attempt against Hitler - see the entry for 21Mar43. A time fuse seems like the wrong technology for the job.
There was another on 16Nov43.
"It might weed out most of those who just want to use office to make a quick buck, or a few hundred million bucks, "
Or it might select for those people. Those people who are willing to take on the danger for the fiscal reward.
"Maybe, maybe not. It might weed out most of those who just want to use office to make a quick buck, or a few hundred million bucks, and leave only those with a sense of obligation to serve."
What you'd see is a lot of those who just wanted to use office to make a quick buck (or hundred million) would be assassinating each other (and the "obligation to serve" fellows, too), and blaming it on us.
Plus, we had a pretty good record of keeping the "quick buck" sort from reaching high levels in OUR government, and if it's OK to assassinate foreigners that are getting in our way, it's a short jump to being OK to assassinate Americans who get in our way (with the proper definition of "our way", of course.)
There's an old sci-fi story by Poul Anderson, entitled "A Man to My Wounding" after the phrase from Genesis, that imagines a world where broad warfare has been replaced by surgical "states of assasination" between belligerent nations.
If you dig into the vaults of old SF, you can find all sorts of similar stories. H. Beam Piper has more than one where people use their personal weapons to settle issues of public debate. "4 Day Planet" involves a rebellion against a corrupt planetary government, and "A Planet for Texans" is about a planetary ambassador who is challenged to a duel for the crime of being from off-world. Mr. Piper was a noted firearm aficionado, as anyone who's ever read his one mystery novel "Murder in the Gun Room" will recognize.
so (Theoretically of Course)
KGB Assassin's take out Sleepy at an appearance tomorrow (You Know, a DC "Free EV Charging Station" to detract how he just burned hommina-hommina-hommina (DC-Brussells round trip(leave out the Poland BS) 8000 miles, average Fuel Burn Air Farce 1 7 gallons/mile or........... 56,000 gallons (375,200 Lbs as the Pilots talk about it)
Hmm, Quite a "Carbon Footprint" does seem like it's been a bit warmer the last few days...
All so Sleepy can 1: telling the Troops how they'll (Don't want to be Fake News, I'll give you the actual quote) “You’re going to see when you’re there, and some of you have been there, you’re gonna see — you’re gonna see women, young people standing in the middle in front of a damned tank just saying, ‘I’m not leaving, I’m holding my ground,’” Biden said.
2: White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said the U.S. has "no intention" of using chemical weapons, after President Biden said his administration would respond "in kind" if Russia uses such a weapon in Ukraine.
3: Joe Biden on Monday defended the unscripted remarks he made at the end of an important speech in Poland at the weekend, in which he said that Russian president Vladimir Putin “cannot remain in power”, which had prompted hurried efforts by other senior figures in the administration to play down the comment in the face of international criticism.
But hey, it's not like the Black (is Putin the "Black" side? he sort of did move first, which would make him "White") side can't respond, or "For God's Sakes!" (Have you ever uttered that phrase in your entire life (and I don't mean "Thought it" actually said it out loud like Sleepy does every other day, "For God's Sakes, (insert local Political Situation here)
Hmm, so we can say Putin, how did Sleepy put it?, “cannot remain in power”
"2: White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said the U.S. has 'no intention' of using chemical weapons, after President Biden said his administration would respond 'in kind' if Russia uses such a weapon in Ukraine."
Do we even HAVE chemical weapons? In a ready-to-use state, I mean. We spent a lot of time and money destroying nerve gas in Umatilla, OR.
Another issue of morality, not covered in the portion of this article that appears on the main page, is that the people who might be thinking about assassinating foreign leaders are not ever going to be the people we actually send to go do the job. So when President Bone-spurs decides that he's made enough at the Grand High Potentate of Nowhereistan, and orders an assassination attempt, it's going to be Sgt Goodguy who gets handed the job. After a few years of that, the job is going to be reclassified as a job that can be contracted out, and now we have private companies bidding on the job. Once the task falls to the private sector, we suddenly have no quality control, and blowing up apartment buildings because we guess that the target might be visiting on of the apartments.
But the main objection is that assassinating people on foreign soil is a fairly Putin thing to do, and we like to think we're better than that. I'd rather that the US had a better reputation for self-restraint than does Putin.
"Just as invasions are unjustified in most certain circumstances, so are assassinations (especially of democratic leaders, where the people's self-government as well as the leader's right to live are implicated)."
How do we tell whether a given leader was chosen in a fair election? Maybe the assassination squad can hire Jimmy Carter as a consultant to stop the hit if he finds the election was fair.
"How do we tell whether a given leader was chosen in a fair election?"
We just apply the Trump doctrine: If the guy we wanted to win is declared the winner, then the election was fair. If the guy we didn't want to win is declared the winner, then we pout and whine about it.
"Professional assassination is the highest form of public service."
From "Remo Williams: The adventure begins."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQoDO2J3XeU
Wasn't Mr. Williams immortal in that movie?
We’ve assassinated foreign leaders many times. Of course, that’s not what Biden was even hinting at.
I think assassinations as such are a bad policy, however I do think targeted killings are fine when an actual or defacto state of hostilities exist.
For example Bin Laden's killing certainly was justified by a continuing state of hostilities between Al Qaeda and the US. Qasem Soleimani's case was a little more marginal but I think justified by his coordination and funding of groups targeting US soldiers, diplomats, and civilians. Plus the fact he was in a foreign state without being admitted where those hostilities were occurring.
Professor Volokh, regarding assassination, the morality is really the only relevant question; the rest is logistics.
Talmud States: If someone comes to kill you, get up early in the morning to kill him first. (Berakhot 58a; Yoma 85b; Sanhedrin 72a)
We have the obligation, not merely the right, to self-defense and self-preservation. It is a terrible power to exercise, the power to deliberately kill another human being. But in cases of self-preservation, the morality is clear.
"Talmud States: If someone comes to kill you, get up early in the morning to kill him first. (Berakhot 58a; Yoma 85b; Sanhedrin 72a)"
Jesus had different instructions, to the extent that matters.
That works for Christians, JP. Nothing wrong with that. I have no quarrel with how they choose to act. But as an observant Jew, I feel confident that Jesus (a fellow Tribe member) himself would have adopted my reasoning. It is contrary to halachic law to choose suicide.
there was considerable debate in the early days of the Church whether would-be Christians had to convert first to Judaism (which as you point out is only important to Christians) but Jesus himself was preaching to Jews when he was talking to anyone.