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Judge's Decision Finding Criticisms of Police "Obscene" Was Mostly Copied from City's Briefs
I blogged Tuesday about Sgaggio v. De Young (D. Colo.), which wrongly concluded that various online criticisms of police (calling them "pig," "terrorist," "bitch," "punk ass," and "dirty ass") was legally "obscene" and thus unprotected by the First Amendment; for more details on the substance, see here.
But reader Michael Kaufmann adds a procedural detail: It turns out that the Magistrate Judge's First Amendment analysis was copied, entirely and nearly verbatim, from the defendants' motion for summary judgment and the city's reply to plaintiff's response. The motion had been pending for seven months, and the report and recommendation on the motion was released the day the Magistrate Judge retired.
To give just one example of the many similarities, here's a passage from the Magistrate Judge's report and recommendations:
The narrowly tailored nature of the restrictions can be seen in their enforcement. Plaintiff's posts containing obscene and indecent language were restricted. Other posts expressing the same viewpoint of Plaintiff that did not contain offensive and indecent language were not restricted. Thus, the restrictions did not target viewpoints with which the government may disagree and were narrowly tailored to ferret out only obscene and indecent language. Finally, these restrictions left open a myriad of other communication channels in which Plaintiff could express his criticism of the police. Not only could he have posted on his own Facebook page and other nonCity/Department operated Facebook page, he could have communicated on any number of ever expanding social media platforms. Plaintiff testified that he has social media accounts on Youtube, Instagram, and Parler, but failed to use them. Further, Plaintiff could have voiced his criticism via traditional media or pamphleting.
And here's the corresponding passage from the defendants' motion for summary judgment (with a paragraph break removed):
The narrowly tailored nature of the restrictions can be seen in their enforcement. Plaintiff's posts containing obscene and indecent language were restricted. Other posts expressing the same viewpoint of Plaintiff that did not contain offensive and indecent language were not restricted. Thus, the restrictions did not target viewpoints with which the government may disagree and were narrowly tailored to ferret out only obscene and indecent language. Finally, these restrictions left open a myriad of other communication channels in which Plaintiff could express his criticism of the police. Not only could he have posted on his own Facebook page and other nonCity/Department operated Facebook page, he could have communicated on any number of ever expanding social media platforms. Plaintiff himself testified that he has social media accounts on Youtube, Instagram, and Parler, but failed to use them. Further, Plaintiff could have voiced his criticism via traditional media or pamphleting.
Now such extensive copying from parties' is not categorically forbidden, and indeed I believe it's common in some state court systems; but some federal court decisions have expressed concern about it. To quote Flying J Inc. v. Comdata Network, Inc. (10th Cir. 2005) (the Tenth Circuit is the one in which this decision was rendered),
As a preliminary matter, Comdata complains that the district court adopted Flying J's proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law almost verbatim. Regrettably, this appears to be the case…. The court's wholesale adoption of one party's proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law provides little aid on appellate review, particularly in the likely event that the adopted submission takes an adversarial stance.
"[V]erbatim adoption of proposed findings of fact and rulings of law ought ordinarily to be avoided, as such a practice can obfuscate the extent to which the order was the 'product of personal analysis and interpretation by the trial judge …." Petrovic v. AMOCO Oil Co. (8th Cir. 1999). "[Judicial opinions] are tangible proof to the litigants that the judge actively wrestled with their claims and arguments and made a scholarly decision based on his or her own reason and logic. When a court adopts a party's proposed opinion as its own, the court vitiates the vital purposes served by judicial opinions." Bright v. Westmoreland County (3d Cir. 2004).
And this critique has been applied to copying from briefs as well as from proposed conclusions of law: "A district judge could not photocopy a lawyer's brief and issue it as an opinion. Briefs are argumentative, partisan submissions. Judges should evaluate briefs and produce a neutral conclusion …." DiLeo v. Ernst & Young (7th Cir. 1990). Indeed, even when the Supreme Court held that decisions that adopt a party's proposed findings of fact should still be reviewed deferentially, it noted that it had "criticized courts for their verbatim adoption of findings of fact prepared by prevailing parties." Anderson v. Bessemer City (1985).
In any event, though, whether or not such literal copying is sometimes acceptable, here it seems to have led the Magistrate Judge astray, because the arguments that were copied are not actually sound.
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Even if you agree with the plaintiff's/defendants analysis, at least change it a little to put your "signature" on it. Or quote it and say "I find this persuasive" ... something that provides "tangible proof to the litigants that the judge actively wrestled with their claims and arguments and made a scholarly decision based on his or her own reason and logic.
Thank you. I have adopted punk ass bitch as the proper appelation for the lawyer.
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One reason a judge should write their own decision is to discover whether, after reflection, you really do agree with that analysis. It is easy to "agree" with something if you haven't really thought about it as much as a written decision would require.
Such practices may be driven by time constraints and overly large dockets. To the extent that is the case, it suggests that the judiciary needs to be expanded.
I am doubtful that this practice is consistent with due process.
Who knows. Maybe judges quote the briefs for the same reason I quote Ghostbusters and Die Hard. Some lines simply can't be improved. I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt when they steal a quote. Point is, they do need to provide some indication they are more than an AI judge bot.
I will concede that some lines can't be improved. That becomes steadily less plausible when you start copying paragraphs and pages. And it is implausible here where, as already noted, the legal "findings" are pretty obviously wrong.
I still remember when Biden threatened the use of the filibuster to if President Bush nominated the first black female to the Supreme Court. It is really hard to know when the filibuster is good or bad and which black females are good or bad.
"It is really hard to know when the filibuster is good or bad and which black females are good or bad."
Actually, not hard at all - if you spend LITERALLY a few seconds searching for more information.
"In 2005, then-Sen. Barack Obama (also) opposed (Bush nominated, Janice Rogers) Brown, saying she 'is not simply a judge with very strong political views, she is a political activist who happens to be a judge.'
Brown was born to Alabama sharecroppers and grew up in the segregated South, later raising her child as a single mother through law school. Her ideology shifted over time toward more conservative principles, and she notably wrote opinions opposing affirmative action and supported limited abortion laws."
But don't let facts get in the way of your narrow world-view.
And how does that characterization compare to ANY appointment by the Democrats?
It doesn't but that's not what I was addressing.
Mike was saying something was "really hard" when actually it wasn't.
That is a nice try but totally ignores Biden’s own stated primary criteria for determining a nominee. Bush never made that his criteria.
And indeed Brown’s ideology changed to be “more conservative”. Anyone who started out as a from a Marxist position, as she admits to, has nowhere else to go other than to the right.
That Biden said he would appoint a black woman does not mean that every black woman is qualified or should be confirmed. I mean, that's probably sixth grade reading comprehension, not to mention at least three logical fallacies. But thank you for playing.
As for when the filibuster is good or bad, there may be specific issues of sufficient importance, like amending the Constitution, that require more than a bare majority. But for most routine legislation and confirmations, the filibuster is always bad no matter which party is in power. And I think that's where most Democrats are, though you could probably find exceptions. Please don't project your own lack of scruples onto the Democrats.
That Biden said he would appoint a black woman does not mean that every black woman is qualified or should be confirmed.
No, it means that ONLY a black woman is qualified and should be confirmed...which is what the poster you're responding to was saying...which you'd know if you had the sixth grade reading comprehension skills you refer to.
No one, not even Biden, has claimed that only a black woman is qualified and should be confirmed, which you would know if you had any comprehension skills at all. Rather, what Biden has said is that of the thousands of lawyers in this country who would make perfectly fine Supreme Court justices, it's time to pick someone from a constituency that's never had anyone on the Supreme Court before.
No one, not even Biden, has claimed that only a black woman is qualified and should be confirmed, which you would know if you had any comprehension skills at all.
Biden's exactly words:
"While I've been studying candidates' backgrounds and writings, I've made no decision except one: the person I nominate will be someone with extraordinary qualifications, character, experience and integrity - and that person will be the first Black woman ever nominated to the United States Supreme Court. It's long overdue, in my view."
Ergo, the only candidates qualified to be nominated by Biden are black women...you blithering moron.
So where did Biden say that nobody who isn't a black woman is qualified? Read it again, slowly this time. There's nothing there making the claim that there aren't qualified white males.
So where did Biden say that nobody who isn't a black woman is qualified? Read it again, slowly this time.
Jesus...you really are as dumb as dirt. He has pledged to nominate a black woman, which makes that a qualification (established by Biden) that is not held by anyone that is not...wait for it...a black woman.
There's nothing there making the claim that there aren't qualified white males.
Name a white male that would qualify given Biden's established race and gender restrictions.
No, it doesn't mean no white males are qualified. There are probably thousands of lawyers who would be perfectly fine Supreme Court Justices, many of them white males.
Rather, it means that on this particular go around, he's going to pick someone who in addition to being qualified is also part of a constituency that has never had anyone on the Supreme Court.
I get that nuance and drawing distinctions is a challenge for you, but if you read it through just one more time I'm sure you'll get it.
No, it doesn't mean no white males are qualified. There are probably thousands of lawyers who would be perfectly fine Supreme Court Justices, many of them white males.
What part of...
He has pledged to nominate a black woman, which makes that a qualification (established by Biden) that is not held by anyone that is not...wait for it...a black woman.
...completely eluded your feeble grasp? He has established being a black woman as an absolutely essential qualification for his pick. That he might be doing so for this particular nomination only is irrelevant, especially since it is this particular nomination, and Biden having created that qualification for it IS THE SUBJECT UNDER DISCUSSION, you mouth-breathing, window-licking twit.
And let's not forget that you started this sub-thread with a dishonest straw man argument.
And here's the thing: Suppose Biden had never made a promise to put a black woman on the Supreme Court, but did so anyway. Any black woman Biden nominates will face GOP accusations of being an affirmative action appointment, no matter what her qualifications are. It's almost as if Republicans can't get their heads around the idea that there really are black women qualified to hold high public office.
It's almost as if Republicans can't get their heads around the idea that there really are black women qualified to hold high public office.
Yeah, that's why Bush had such a hard time getting Condoleezza Rice confirmed as the first black female Sec. of State. Remind us from which party the 15 "Nay" votes/non-votes on her confirmation came from (recalling that Jim Jeffords, an "I" at the time, caucused with the Ds)?
I'm sure in your head there's a connection between the two.
I'm sure in your head there's a connection between the two.
LOL! You really are the joke of the day....every day.
Fine, so explain the connection.
You got me. There is no connection at all between Republicans appointing/supporting relatively conservative black women to/for high office and them thinking that there really are black women qualified to hold high office.
And if that were the issue you'd have a point. But it isn't.
The issue is that no matter which Black woman Biden nominates, a large swath of the GOP will claim she's not qualified and only got the job for being a black woman. Unlike Rice, where her race and sex weren't the reason Democrats opposed her.
And if that were the issue you'd have a point. But it isn't.
Then your comment that...
"It's almost as if Republicans can't get their heads around the idea that there really are black women qualified to hold high public office."
...is even more stupid than I thought.
and only got the job for being a black woman
When Biden himself disqualifies everyone BUT black women, they'd be right...which is one of the many, many things that you're too damned dense to comprehend.
OK, one more response and they play time with Wuzzy is over; I've got actual work to do this afternoon.
What Republicans could or could not get their heads around several years ago when Bush nominated Rice, and what they can get their heads around now, is not the same thing. Unless you're Rip Van Winkle and you've been asleep, you might have noticed that our politics are different now, and not in a good way. Once upon a time we actually had bipartisanship.
When I hire a paralegal, who used to work for me at a different firm and whom I know to be an excellent paralegal, without even looking at the dozen other resumes that came in, am I saying they're not qualified? Of course not; I'm sure there were some resumes in that pile from people who would have been perfectly fine paralegals. I just decided I wanted one specific thing for that specific job. Maybe if you think on it some more you'll finally get it.
Confirmed...you're a moron.
Error on my part: 13 "Nay" votes. The 2 non-votes were Rs.
No, the error on your part was in thinking you're up to the task of talking to the grown ups.
My real error was thinking that you might have developed a 2nd brain cell.
I suppose one could question the wisdom of continuing to engage you when you've established repeatedly that your contributions are the equivalent of a barking dog.
When you're too stupid to outwit a barking dog it's time for some self-reflection.
But for most routine legislation and confirmations, the filibuster is always bad no matter which party is in power. And I think that's where most Democrats are, though you could probably find exceptions.
The issue at hand is not "routine legislation and confirmations", but a confirmation to the highest court in the land.
So what?
So...your comment is a lame-brained red herring.
OK, even by your low standards you've made a stupid comment that demonstrates you don't understand what was said.
The "so what" referred to why is a Supreme Court confirmation different from other confirmations. If you have an answer to that, let's hear it.
The "so what" referred to why is a Supreme Court confirmation different from other confirmations. If you have an answer to that, let's hear it.
"The highest court in the land" is what most with an IQ higher than that of a turnip would consider a clue.
As opposed to, say, the nomination of a Secretary of Defense who could lead a coup or start a nuclear war. Or a Secretary of the Treasury who could sink the entire economy. Or an Attorney General who might see his job as bringing criminal prosecutions against members of the opposite party.
I'm not denying that the Supreme Court is important. I'm not convinced it's more important than plenty of other confirmations.
I'm not denying that the Supreme Court is important. I'm not convinced it's more important than plenty of other confirmations.
What were you saying about logical fallacies?
I don't know that I've ever encountered anyone as eager to demonstrated their cognitive limitations as you are.
OK, so which logical fallacy do you believe I've committed?
So it is permitted to oppose a black woman as nominee for the federal bench on ideological grounds. And that does not make one a racist.
Good to know. May come in handy in the next weeks and months.
It's possible that Biden's nominee might be subject to being criticized as "a political activist who happens to be a judge."
Biden could nominate the ghost of James Madison and Republicans would claim the nominee was a left wing extremist, if not a Marxist. That's the way politics seems to work these days.
The ghost of James Madison is a black woman? Is that something that happened posthumously, or was old Gemmy hiding more than we know?
Hey, that was when we thought Bush was the dumbest president ever... Now we had Trump. Things change.
No, it's not hard.
It depends on whether you're in the minority - then it's GOOD!
When it keeps you from running roughshod over the minority - then it's BAD!
I have a funny feeling this is one of those MJs who has never denied a warrant application.
This happened to me once. The judge even left in the argumentative headings (perfectly proper in a brief but rare in opinions). I got a kick out of it because my supervisors did not like the brief I submitted.
LMAO!!
Ha! Sweet revenge!
A lazy civil servant doing poor quality work? I'm shocked, I tell you!
But didn't she learn anything in high school? You don't copy the dumb kid's homework.
Her mistake, in retrospect, is that she didn't copy the pro se guy's brief into her opinion. That would have been less embarrassing.
A lazy civil servant doing poor quality work? I'm shocked, I tell you!
More confirmation bias.
Huh? What's your point?
Are you claiming that this is not a lazy civil servant doing poor quality work? Claiming I should be non-sarcastically shocked? Something else?
I'm not sure you're very good with this whole "confirmation bias" thing, Sarcastro.
You are using this as evidence that civil servants are lazy.
But when a judge agrees with you? Well, that's just good judging, and not part of your sample!
It's not a be shocked/not be shocked binary. Maybe don't generalize based on an anecdote at all.
It just shows which stories you like to tell yourself; nothing more.
lol. You're adding quite a bit to my comment to support your confirmation bias narrative.
This is actually pretty common for most trial level practices Maybe First Amendment guys don't see it as much since the cases they are arguing are not usually in front of a magistrate and have more novel claims. But it is a pretty standard practice for overworked trial level judges. Just take the argument you think wins, have the clerk copy and paste it, maybe add a few footnotes or other points, and your job is done. Maybe 5-10% of cases will go to appeal at which time either the appellate court will ask for a more reasoned opinion or the judge issues an amended one. But, for the rest they are left to the annals of some dusty clerk file so why bother putting in any more legal work?
My experience is similar to Prof. Volokh's: I have never encountered it in federal court, in any type of case.
I've seen it but usually in pretty "boring" cases like torts or contracts. In fact, in those types of practices it is usually pretty routine and most trial level advocates will write their briefs as if they were the court's opinion, especially if they think there is going to be an appeal.
I'm sure the practice with vary though in every District and region in federal court. But, I have to say this is the way I've seen just about every single state trial court ever work without exception.
My case was in federal court, before a judge not generally thought of as lazy. Quite the opposite. But this was a routine case of the sort judges see all the time, that didn't require original thought or research so she took a shortcut. On such cases, I have been known to cut-and-paste the boilerplate stuff directly from some recent good opinion, with some cosmetic changes. She should have done a better job cosmetically.
Ditto. Now, cut and paste from their own past opinions? Sometimes. But from a brief? No, I haven't seen a federal judge do that.
I doubt that drawing opinion language from advocates' briefs is all that uncommon. The plagiarism here may be clumsier than some, but I doubt that many winning appellate advocates have failed to recognize their language in the court's opinion.
So, is someone going to drop this guy a note so he can cite the cases in his objections? I'd do it myself if the terms of my employment didn't forbid it.
Replying late to your comment but he's posted in the earlier thread so he's at least aware of Prof. Volokh's first post on this.
There are situations where a legal brief just gets the law right and there's no argument on the other side, and the judge may just lift the analysis.
This is not such a case.