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The Right to Defy Criminal Demands: Conclusion
I've just finished up a rough draft of my The Right to Defy Criminal Demands article, and I thought I'd serialize it here, minus most of the footnotes (which you can see in the full PDF). I'd love to hear people's reactions and recommendations, since there's still plenty of time to edit it. You can also see all the posts here.
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Criminals create risks for society—risks for their intended targets, and risks for bystanders. By defying criminals' demands, the criminals' victims may anger the criminals, and the criminals may respond by retaliating in ways that harm third parties.
Yet the law ought not in effect help criminals implement their demands by imposing liability on the defiant victims. People must have the freedom to refuse to obey such demands, even when the refusal creates some extra risk.
Free citizens have a legal obligation to obey the law. But they shouldn't have a legal obligation to obey criminals. Kipling was dealing with limits on kings when he wrote of
Ancient Right unnoticed as the breath we draw—
Leave to live by no man's leave, underneath the Law.
Yet the same is equally true of living by no criminal's leave. Giving criminals' demands legal effect undermines their victims' dignity, precisely because it subjects people not only to the democratically endorsed coercion of the Law but to the arbitrary tyranny of the criminal. And it undermines the Law's rightful claim to be the one authority that may use the threat of violence to set the rules of behavior.
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I agree. This is a legal principle I fully endorse, and a society that doesn't endorse is unjust in this aspect.
The lawyer denier needs to disclose some facts.
The law protects the criminal to generate more crime and lawyer jobs. There is a professional conflict of interest. Get rid of crime, endure mass lawyer unemployment.
Rent seeking is a type of armed robbery, and should be criminalized.
The lawyer profession is 10 times more toxic than all crime. It must be stopped and completely changed to save this nation.
Legal immunity justifies violence. Judges who by their mistakes cause crime damage cannot be sued. Perhaps, the lash should be applied to them. To deter.
The country is sick of this toxic profession and of its rent seeking effect, crime. All violent criminals should be dead before 18, when they enter their most prolific crime age. Do 1, 2, 3, dead.
So what next? I was hoping to see a more specific proposal at the conclusion.
Could there be something doable under the law to protect those rights, or are we doomed to death by one thousand cuts?
Comments don't seem to be working on the "realism about realism" thread.
Tech glitch, fixed now.
Yet the same is equally true of living by no criminal's leave. Giving criminals' demands legal effect undermines their victims' dignity, precisely because it subjects people not only to the democratically endorsed coercion of the Law but to the arbitrary tyranny of the criminal. And it undermines the Law's rightful claim to be the one authority that may use the threat of violence to set the rules of behavior.
Sounds dreadful. It supposes a society in a state of constant war against durable criminal rule. The reality is that in a well governed society, crime can be suppressed but not eradicated. That is what the law's rightful claim can reasonably accomplish, and all that it can hope to accomplish.
To endure rare criminal insults to personal dignity is a price no one wants to pay, but which everyone must be prepared to pay. Otherwise, down the road EV advocates, the society can be worse-tyrannized by boundless private impulses to vindicate personal honor with armed activity. Measured as constraints on freedom, the baleful, continuing presence of personal arms grows to outweigh episodic insults from remnant incidents of crime.
Make no mistake, this advocacy by Volokh is on behalf of broadening a right to bear arms, taking it far beyond the boundaries of personal self-defense. EV here signs up with legions of gun wielders, especially those who have never been content to defend themselves and leave it at that. Instead, they demand a grandiose and self-appointed role as armed defenders of social virtue—with social virtue construed according to their personal lights.
It is a vision for a society which puts everyone in fear of incipient armed violence, threatened by even trivial personal disagreements. It is a vision recognizable from the movies, but otherwise not much in evidence in history—except among a few examples of social systems sliding quickly toward ruin. Or, as in the case of the American South, toward ruin redoubled—first before the Civil War, and then again afterward.
The alternative is to have a functioning crime system. The sole mature and effective goal of the criminal law is incapacitation. All others are rent seeking quackery. That means 1, 2, 3, dead by age 18 for all criminals.
Just for information and credibility. Can you tell us if you are a lawyer? A government dependent Democrat? If your private employer receives any government funds, you are still a tax sucking parasite.
What percentage of the US population is satisfied by the protections afforded by government and police? Blacks? Montana ranchers? Battered wives? Natives?
It is not a binary choice; lawless wild west versus complete submission; Brave New World versus 1984.
Strangely, I thought he said that criminal demands should not create any legal obligations on the part of the victims.
Laws which constrain the victims even in the absence of criminal demands, are still in force - eg, no vigilantism, no abuse of suspects after they've been subdued, etc.
self defense /= vigilantism
And EV's article isn't even about self defense. It's about not having an obligation to warp your own affairs to minimize what criminals might do.
"as in the case of the American South"
I seem to recall a Southern black woman prisoner called Joan Little who was *acquitted of murder* of a white guard because she would rather defend herself than submit to his sexual demands.
Saw an analysis of "stand your ground" in Florida, that showed that blacks were disproportionately gaining from it, because of being disproportionately in a position to NEED to defend themselves, on account of their higher crime victimization rate.
This was, of course, flatly opposite what its foes had predicted.
Self-defense.
Sheesh, as bad as the argument for gun control is, your argument here is worse. One could certainly envision a society where the risk of crime was already so low, that the crime suppressing benefit of gun ownership was less than the costs to society. (Even if we don't presently live in such a society.) So that gun ownership, (Ignoring all the benefits to gun owners besides averting crime!) was a net loss.
But as crime declines towards zero, so must the cost of the collateral damage of crime, so no such calculus applies to EV's proposal. It could make collateral damage a thousand times worse, and in a society with no crime, a thousand times zero would still be zero.
Your attempt to make this proposal about gun control fails on a logical level even if it weren't a gross miscontrual of what EV is saying.
"Yet the same is equally true of living by no criminal's leave. Giving criminals' demands legal effect undermines their victims' dignity, precisely because it subjects people not only to the democratically endorsed coercion of the Law but to the arbitrary tyranny of the criminal. And it undermines the Law's rightful claim to be the one authority that may use the threat of violence to set the rules of behavior."
I haven't read the article, but this embodies my intuitive reaction. Criminals shouldn't be lawmakers.
Feel free to add your "now who's being naive, Kay" jokes.
Here's some more from that Kipling poem:
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-old-issue/
Here is naught unproven--here is naught to learn.
It is written what shall fall if the King return.
He shall mark our goings, question whence we came,
Set his guards about us, as in Freedom's name.
He shall take a tribute, toll of all our ware;
He shall change our gold for arms--arms we may not bear.
He shall break his Judges if they cross his word;
He shall rule above the Law calling on the Lord.
He shall peep and mutter; and the night shall bring
Watchers 'neath our window, lest we mock the King --
Hate and all division; hosts of hurrying spies;
Money poured in secret, carrion breeding flies.
Strangers of his counsel, hirelings of his pay,
These shall deal our Justice: sell-deny-delay.
We shall drink dishonour, we shall eat abuse
For the Land we look to--for the Tongue we use.
We shall take our station, dirt beneath his feet,
While his hired captains jeer us in the street.
Cruel in the shadow, crafty in the sun,
Far beyond his borders shall his teachings run.
Sloven, sullen, savage, secret, uncontrolled,
Laying on a new land evil of the old--
Long-forgotten bondage, dwarfing heart and brain--
All our fathers died to loose he shall bind again.
I'm glad this Western movie/bad cop show shoot-'em-up is over and we can get back to real life.