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Scalia Law School Faculty Statement of Commitment to Open Dialogue and Debate
It's becoming increasingly clear that other law schools are dearly in need of a similar commitment
Given recent events at Georgetown University Law Center and other law schools, I think it's an opportune time to remind readers of this blog of the statement my faculty adopted in August 2020. I wish I could say that many other law school faculties have issued similar statements, but to my knowledge none have.
Statement of Faculty Principles
In light of the current state of dialogue and debate in this country, the faculty of the Antonin Scalia Law School hereby reaffirms our commitment to freedom of inquiry and freedom of speech for all members of our community.
Starting some years ago, many schools have promulgated official speech codes that seek to prevent students from expressing unpopular opinions. Thanks largely to the efforts of Scalia Law faculty, George Mason University as a whole has earned the highest rating for freedom of speech from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. We are proud of that accomplishment.
Recently, it has become far too common for colleges and universities to impose sanctions on faculty members whose research or public statements do not conform to the reigning climate of approved opinion. As pressures for conformity increase throughout our society, it is even becoming dangerous to show insufficient enthusiasm for certain causes and beliefs.
This faculty has always rejected the imposition of any political or ideological orthodoxy by us or on us. We recognize no hierarchy of authority in the world of ideas. Professors and students each have exactly the same right to express their opinions, to challenge views with which they disagree, and to participate as they see fit in the public life of the nation. They also have the same moral obligation to foster an atmosphere of civility and tolerance. The faculty strongly opposes efforts—whether from within our community or from outside—to pressure us or the school's administration to engage in the repression of unpopular opinions, whether we as individuals agree or disagree with those opinions.
In the classroom, of course, there is necessarily an inequality between the instructor and the students. We think it is self-evident that professors should not use their authority in the service of political or ideological indoctrination. We also think it is self-evident that professors should not belittle or intimidate students who express views with which the instructor disagrees, or encourage students to belittle or intimidate their classmates.
Conversely, students should recognize that professors exercise a special authority in the classroom because they have special responsibilities and obligations. The faculty as a whole establishes the curriculum. Individual professors decide what will be studied in their courses, what topics will be discussed in class, and what questions will be dealt with in the limited time that is available. Students are welcome to express their own opinions about these matters, but the professors are responsible for the decisions, and they have an obligation to exercise their own judgment in making those decisions.
Students should also recognize that professors are not doing them a service when they treat our educational mission as a popularity contest. Several years ago, President Hanna Holborn Gray of the University of Chicago made the following observation:
Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom.
President Gray's statement has important applications throughout any university, but her words are especially relevant to law schools. Effective legal training requires that students be challenged—by their instructors and by their classmates—to make well-reasoned arguments, often about topics that are controversial or personally painful. Lawyers are frequently compelled to grapple with issues that they would really prefer not to think about at all. Nobody enjoys having the shortcomings of their own arguments exposed, or being forced to acknowledge that serious arguments can be made in support of conclusions with which they strongly disagree. These experiences are not by any means the only components of legal education, but professors who focus on sparing their students from unpleasant disagreements are actually cheating them.
This faculty aspires to provide our students with a genuine education. We will therefore maintain our commitment to respectful debate and the full and open exchange of ideas. That commitment extends to our classrooms, to our scholarship, and to any other public discussions in which we choose to participate. As Daniel D. Polsby put it several years ago, when he was our Dean, "There has to be a place in the world where controversial ideas and points of view are aired out and given space. This is that place."
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In 2005 Bush nominated the greatest lawyer in history to our nation’s high court. Harriet Miers was the most qualified nominee in history…and yet Frist rejected her because she lacked a PENIS! Tell me “Senator” Frist—how do you know one way or the other if she had or didn’t have a PENIS?? Did you check “senator”??
Any school failing to adopt these principles must losing all funding and accreditation. Their purpose is education. Allowing one side of a subject is indoctrination not education.
"Ilya Shapiro, a recently-hired administrator at Georgetown University's law school and prominent libertarian, has been suspended by the university after he Tweeted that President Biden was not going to nominate "the objectively best pick" but a "lesser Black woman" to be the next Supreme Court justice, according to The New York Times.
Shapiro was slated to begin as a senior lecturer and executive administrator in a division of the law school just one day after he was placed on leave due to his controversial tweet, the Times reports."
Shut down woke Georgetown Law School. Zero tolerance for woke.
" Any school failing to adopt these principles must losing all funding and accreditation. "
Nearly ever conservative-controlled campus in America defunded and closed? I doubt that it what the movement conservatives who operate and follow The Volokh Conspiracy have in mind.
Their targeting (like their ostensible outrage) is far more selective . . . and partisan . . .
That really is a stupid comment, SC.
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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think.
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*MIND BLOWN*
Hate speech isn't free speech, doncha 'ya know?
Hate speech is also whatever the Left needs it to be to control and oppress the Fascists in the name of Freedom and Equity!
"Starting some years ago, many schools have promulgated official speech codes that seek to prevent students from expressing unpopular opinions."
This fundamentally misconceives things. You don't need to prevent people from expressing unpopular opinions, they're unpopular, few people want to express them, and if they do express them, they just get looked down on.
Speech codes serve the purpose of preventing people from expressing popular opinions, that the authors of the speech codes happen to not like. They are an effort to substitute power for persuasion when you're losing an argument.
That's a fair point - sort of like the preference cascade issue.
But of course, unpopular opinions are quite often the target too.
The one constant is that they're unpopular with the people imposing the speech code.
But, yes, I think they're trying hard, and with some success, to drive preference falsification, and prevent a preference cascade from throwing them out of power. That's also why the left his getting so aggressive with their social media censorship.
People express unpopular opinions all the time, you're really reaching here.
Yes, it remains that you don't need to suppress unpopular opinions, they're unpopular. The rate at which they're expressed is low, by definition. They are not persuasive, by definition. If they were expressed relatively often, and found persuasive, they wouldn't be "unpopular".
Popular opinions, on the other hand, or opinions that might be persuasive? They need to be suppressed, if they're not to take over.
Generally, when you see an opinion being actively suppressed, you should suspect the opinion is not actually all that rare or unpersuasive.
Depends on who they're unpopular with. Everybody? The school's administration? A particular and vocal group of students? Major contributors? The government officials who have a say in Federal or State support of the school?
You have a really transactional view of why people suppress speech. And a really static view of how ideas become popular.
Both of these seem fundamentally incorrect views of human nature.
Yes, I have realistic view of why people suppress speech: So that they can win arguments they think they'd lose if speech weren't suppressed.
Not for shits and giggles.
So for instance in the Amy Wax incident, your contention would be that the majority of people would agree with her disparaging remarks about blacks and Asians. So UPenn is sanctioning her because they need to suppress this popular opinion? Am I understanding your argument correctly?
Well, let's see, what did she say?
"Given the realities of different rates of crime, different average IQs, people have to accept without apology that Blacks are not going to be evenly distributed throughout all occupations. They're just not, and that’s not a problem. That’s not due to racism,"
I'm not sure what's there that people ought to disagree with, the statistics back up her claims, and while maybe people don't really respond to evidence, they should.
A quick look at Wikipedia says that, in 2015, the average SAT score was 528 for Asian-Americans, 491 for whites, 429 for Mexican-Americans, and 385 for blacks. Now, I'll freely grant that the SAT is not perfectly predictive of academic success, but it isn't useless, either. With those kinds of stats it's flatly impossible for blacks to have the same distribution of careers and career success as other groups.
Yes, as a matter of fact, UPenn IS sanctioning her to prevent an open discussion of facts like the above.
I'm not entirely sure a free and open discussion of these facts would go all her way, in fact I'm pretty sure she'd lose on some points. But on the whole she's right: Given the underlying statistics, on all sorts of metrics, it's flatly insane to think that blacks could end up with the same level of success as whites, let alone Asian Americans.
Maybe it's possible to change these underlying facts, do something about black educational attainment and the negative influence of some black sub-cultures. But not while discussing the topic is forbidden!
I find her remarks on Asians a bit unnuanced, "Asians" are an absurdly heterogeneous grouping. But I understand her reasoning.
Look, facts are facts, even if you don't like their implications. Some people who don't like the implications make a serious effort to prevent the facts from being discussed, and find yelling "racist!" the most effective way to shut people up. And, yes, it has proven terrifyingly effective.
People express unpopular opinions all the time, you're really reaching here.
And once again we're left with that age-old riddle: Is Sarcastr0 really this pathologically dishonest, or is he just as dumb as a bag of hammers?
He plays the part of a useful idiot, poorly. "Useful" is questionable. "Idiot" is only in regards to his navieté and gullibility leading him to not think about inconvenient ideas.
And you play the part of dismissing people who disagree with you.
Idiots often do think that. It is more often the arguments aren't worth engaging with. You have a decade of the latter on various volokh sites.
How many of your user names have been banned? LOL
Says everything anyone needs to know about the substance of your comments.
Says everything anyone needs to know about the substance of your comments.
Anytime someone takes pride in how little they need to know.......
I know academic discourse isn't quite the same as general public discourse - and, suppression due to "values" issues is somewhat different than when people claim "misinformation" - but nevertheless, the recent Joe Rogan controversy raises some related principles.
We either pursue truth as a society with top-down dictates by the elites (and subject to revision only when they approve...), or we simply let everyone challenge and question various experts in relevant fields and then come to their own conclusions about whom to trust and how much, etc.
Rogan's controverial guests have been wrong about some important things. So have many "mainstream" experts. I want to hear them all, including hearing how they respond to each other, and decide for myself...
IMO this debate to explicitly acknowledge/address the core question of "who gets to decide 'who gets to be how wrong about what' and still be worth listening to." I say there's no reason why that should automatically be those who happen to have political or cultural power.
As the saying goes, the solution for bad speech is...more speech.
[Correction: IMO this debate *needs* to explicitly acknowledge/address...]
As the saying goes, the solution for bad speech is...more speech.
Alas, the saying is too often mistaken.
The solution applies fairly well with regard to academic speech. The solution applies quite often with regard to politics in the public square. The solution becomes equivocal in the context of weaponized racism brought to a campus under a flag of 1A protection.
The solution turns sour and rotten when applied to anti-vaccination lies during a deadly pandemic. More speech to correct anti-vax lies will prove unavailing for those who already paid the price of believing the lies.
And in the case of those damaged by libel, the solution is always wrong. Every one of those needs a remedy for damages which more speech will be more likely to compound than to remedy.
The solution for bad speech is sometimes more speech.
As usual, the advocates of censorship advocate it because they're afraid that they'd lose a free and open argument. They're only confident of prevailing if they can silence people who disagree with them.
Stephen, you would have been a huge fan of the Sedition Act of 1918.
" sour and rotten when applied to anti-vaccination lies during a deadly pandemic."
In other words, the validity of the maxim depends on whether you agree with the initial speech.
Not that I support the blatant nonsense that broadcast by many anti-vaxers, but you undercut your own argument
Nico, can't you read? Or maybe I can't write. The validity of the maxim depends on whether more speech can deliver a remedy to someone the initial speech has harmed. Was your husband suckered to death by a speaker who told him that if he got vaccinated it would make you sterile? More speech is not going to fix that.
SL,
I can read very well. I think that you also can write. And my comment follows from both. We disagree strongly; that's all.
Well said.
Bernstein has been more than happy to actually lead crusades targeting academic figures for their speech (see his efforts to push Ilana Feldman out as a Dean at GWU, his efforts to push out Bruce Shipman as chaplain at Yale, etc.)! More often than not with even a cursory examination one can see that right wing commitment to free speech in education (or society in general) is not even just skin deep, it's just transparently a cudgel conveniently picked up at times to bash people on the 'left' but dropped as quickly when they don't like some speech (Dixie Chicks, Kaepernick, Jemele Hill, Morrison's Beloved, CRT, criticism of Israel or the US, etc).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/10/shipman-out-at-yale-and-a-comment-on-those-who-only-pretend-to-be-against-racism/
https://academeblog.org/2020/06/20/in-defense-of-ilana-feldman-and-bds-supporters/
At this juncture, it's really both sides doing it.
Yup. Conservatives want to cancel Anthony Fauci for illegally funding gain-of-function research at WIV, coordinating a campaign of deceit about the likelihood of lab escape, lying about masks, and dishonest posturing about herd immunity. Progressives want to cancel Joe Rogan because his doctor prescribed ivermectin. Both sides!!1eleventy!
Just because you make things up as a predicate to target those you don't like doesn't really make you less an authoritarian.
But it sure helps rationalize it (while also feeding Breitbart and other grifter's coffers at his expense)!
I didn't see anything there that was made up. Fauci DID illegally fund gain of function research at Wuhan, that's gone from a conspiracy theory to established fact.
How Dr. Fauci and Other Officials Withheld Information on China's Coronavirus Experiments
The lab leak hypothesis has gone from conspiracy theory to all but proven, and medical researchers are getting kind of suspicous about how it was suppressed in the first place.
The covid-19 lab leak hypothesis: did the media fall victim to a misinformation campaign?
"... all but proven"
Your link says no such thing. Some quotes:
"...today most outlets across the political spectrum agree: the “lab leak” scenario deserves serious investigation."
"In recent weeks, several high profile scientists who once denigrated the idea that the virus could have come from a lab have made small steps into demanding an open investigation of the pandemic’s origin."
The suppression of discussion about the possibility of a lab leak origin was stupid and malicious, and the people who did so should be ashamed. But that means 'we don't know', not 'all but proven'. Saying it is all but proven is just making the same mistake in the opposite direction.
All but proven, because no other hypothesis has accumulated any evidence. Lab leak is the only one with any evidence in its favor. The best they've got is that a lab leak can't be definitively proven beyond any question.
It was always the best default hypothesis, just given where it first appeared.
" because no other hypothesis has accumulated any evidence"
Not having any evidence means 'we dunno', not 'one of the possible answers is all but proven'.
"We don't have any evidence of who killed the Duchess"
"Very well, arrest the butler"
The problem with this is that it is an utterly false statement. We have a significant amount of evidence. What we don't have is conclusive evidence, and short of actual lab records and videos, we are not going to have conclusive evidence. We will probably never know this with absolute certainty.
That being said, we have some pretty guesses about what probably occurred and the probabilities are compelling. Additionally the main arguments against lab release tend to push narrative instead of actually addressing stated issues. What are the odds of the spike protein site randomly occurring ? That's a question you can actually answer via available tools like BLAST. What are the odds that someone succeeded in doing this artificially using a technique that they said they were going to use in a grant application ? Somewhat higher I would think ....
Actually this gives me a better way to indicate where we stand. If the butler shares a plan with his mates at the pub as to how he could possibly kill the duchess by pushing her down the stairs and taking her necklace, and then the duchess is found at the bottom of the stairs with a broken neck and no necklace. I would not know for sure the butler did it. It could just be random chance.
... but I do know where I would start looking.
All fair enough. If I had to bet, I would also bet on a lab leak at present. But I think 'most likely' is a far cry from 'all but proven'. 51% << 99%.
One might reasonable draw an adverse inference from the fact that the party best positioned to provide evidence about the "lab leak" theory has also destroyed most of that evidence and impeded investigations into it.
That's fair. At this point, I would probably take a bet at 20 to 1 but refuse one at 100 to 1. Is a 95% confidence interval not proven but 99% proven ? The global warming folks are certainly happy with a 95% interval constituting proof. It's certainly not proven in the same way that I would prove the square root of 2 is irrational.
I suppose it all comes down to what does all but proven mean to you. Lots of things work as long as you are consistent with them.
"One might reasonable draw an adverse inference from the fact that the party best positioned to provide evidence about the "lab leak" theory has also destroyed most of that evidence and impeded investigations into it."
No disagreement there!
"I would probably take a bet at 20 to 1..."
That's more confidence than I have, but in fairness my error bars are large enough I'm going to avoid betting :-). I hope we someday find out, just out of curiosity.
Mostly, though, with all the heated debate about pandemic issues, I really, really, really wish we would have an international discussion about the wisdom of doing GOF research in cities (as opposed to, perhaps, isolated atolls). As long as a lab leak is even remotely possible it seems like that is a really important discussion to have. We don't want to have to do the pandemic thing any more often than we have to.
As Absaroka noted, this is hardly a strong defense of Michael's 'illegally funding gain-of-function research at WIV, coordinating a campaign of deceit about the likelihood of lab escape.'
Bullshit. Brett Bellmore made a stronger statement than I did, but his links solidly back up my claims.
https://news.yahoo.com/nih-admits-funding-gain-function-125103852.html - NIH funded GoF research at WIV, and Fauci lied about it.
And Fauci helped coordinate the effort to treat the lab leak hypothesis as a crazy conspiracy, presumably either because of NIH's complicity or just to appease the Chinese government: https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/cash-covid-and-coverup-part-1-the-questions-we-should-have-asked-of-fauci-about-the-origins-of-covid-19
Bellmore, neither of your links says what you claimed it says. You are full of beans.
When a conspiracy nut like Brett feels like he has to include the qualifier 'all but proven' there's miles and miles to go in that space!
Brett, as always, misrepresents things in a desperate attempt to gin up a conspiracy. That link does not say one word about a lab leak hypothesis being "all but proven." In fact, there's still no evidence for it.
Yup, they lied about masks. And other things.
The Noble Lies of COVID-19
Um, that's a Slate opinion piece, not proof.
Although some have claimed that the evidence changed substantively in the early weeks of March, our assessment of the literature does not concur
This is not even evidence of anything, it is just an opinion.
????
Saying that the various public health authorities weren't engaging in telling (what they thought were) 'Noble Lies' during the pandemic presents me with one of those 'or my lying ears' dilemmas.
The article provides no evidence, just the author's evaluation.
I confess that 1)I don't see how you can read that article and follow the links and say what you do, and 2)I don't see how anyone who has followed the course of the pandemic isn't already aware of the facts behind the thesis of the article. Sorry, just not grokking where you are coming from.
Just because you make things up as a predicate to target those you don't like...
Except there was nothing made up in the post you responded to, you lying sack of crap.
S_O,
Your sidesteps pretending to be responses are really obvious and unconvincing.
Better not to respond when the relevance is so oblique.
Michael P provided a pack of lies for why the right targets Fauci.
That's not oblique.
The right does this a lot - says the other side is doing bad cancel stuff, but the people they go after are legit criminals. But then the criminality is based on bullshit.
The left is too righteous sometimes to need great facts, but the right makes them up, which is IMO worse. I'd rather deal with SJWs than tin foil conspiracists.
I recommend reading https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-british-medical-journal-story (currently paywalled) -- if you are prepared to have your religion challenged.
Taibbi? Was Greenwald not available?
Michael P provided a pack of lies for why the right targets Fauci.
You're such a pathologically lying sack of shit that you long ago lost the ability to discern between truth and lies...as this subthread clearly illustrates. Fauci is on the record admitting that he lied about those things, you moron.
Nothing you wrote is true.
Wait...no, I'm not shocked.
Nothing you wrote is true.
Wait...no, I'm not shocked.
- "lying about masks, and dishonest posturing about herd immunity"
Do you really want to make yourself look like even more of a fool than you already do?
I support cancel culture. All indoctrinator scumbags should be fired.
Record all lectures and faculty interactions. AI should screen for woke. Fire the person if confirmed. Woke is a leftist tyrannical delusion being imposed on our people.
Of course you do, you're an addled authoritarian. And not coincidentally a Trumpista.
Are you on a faculty, Queenie? Do you present all sides of a subject? If not, you need to be fired.
I am. Sadly I don't teach your authoritarian incel side much, just like creationism, flat earth, etc.,
(1) I never called on anyone to fire Shipman, and if he had sincerely apologized for his blatantly antisemitic statements instead of doubling down, I would have declared the controversy over to my satisfaction.
(2) Re Feldman, I gave three reasons in my post why supporting an academic boycott of Israel is inconsistent with running an academic program, assuming she would follow through with the boycott that she pledged to follow.
My position in such matters, including hers, is that the individual in question should either stick to her guns and not get the job, or announce publicly that she will not engage in boycotts etc of any country and those who associate with it while in her administrative position, which would reveal a very thin commitment to the boycott. Either way, it's not about the political positions the individual holds, nor was it a call for her to be canceled/fired, it was a question, as noted in the post, of (a) her abiding by university policy; (b) respecting academic freedom; and (c) obeying civil rights laws. https://reason.com/volokh/2020/05/12/is-supporting-academic-boycotts-of-israel-consistent-with-administering-an-academic-program/
"Now for my caveat: I think BDS activists should be allowed to be administrators, but only if they publicly and contractually disavow any intention of adhering to BDS position while serving as adminstrators: no boycotting Israeli academic institutions, no discrimination against students or faculty who have ties to Israeli institutions or academic journals, and no boycott of people who purportedly advocate violations of international law. Academics who are unwilling to do this--i.e., unwilling to obey university policy, comply with civil rights law, and respect academic freedom—have no business serving in administrative positions. In other words, faculty should not be banned from being administrators because they have held a political position, i.e., support academic boycotts of Israel, but only if it would be reasonable to believe that they would not act on those beliefs as administrators. While a public and contractual disavowal of such actions would not guarantee that the administrator would not take them anyway, it would be sufficient to satisfy my concerns. The problem currently is that BDS supporters are being appointed to deanships, department chairmanships, and so on, without any inquiry by their universities as to whether they will implement academic boycott policies." The Academe blog you linked to calls this a shocking attack on academic freedom, when it's actually trying ensure that an administrator doesn't abuse her authority to deny others academic freedom.
Boycotts are speech.
This caveat is akin to saying you can be conservative, but only if you don't advocate for conservative positions or make edgy tweets.
Boycotts have a disapproval component, but are not speech. By their very design, they deliberately and openly go beyone speech into economic arm twisting, which is action.
Now there is freedom of association being violated here, that is sure, and I agree it is a problem. But it is not free speech.
Can it be both: speech, action.
The idea is that it is inextricably intertwined, and therefore speech should win. Yet nothing prevents you from complaining about it. You just can't boycott, an economic action.
You can punch someone in the face to communicate disapproval of their behavior, but that communication doesn't make punching ok. Still less that you get to keep punching until they stop.
By its very definition and design it is going beyond speech into action because speech ain't workin'.
And unlike punching, it implicates freedom of association, at least in business contexts, which is well settled in law.
Boycotts are sure as hell speech. If political donations are speech, then so is spending.
"Boycotts are sure as hell speech. If political donations are speech, then so is spending."
?? Political donations are not speech. Regulating donations made for the purpose of political speech infringes on the right to free speech.
Boycotts are not speech any more than refusing to serve people in lunch counters is speech.
We've been over all this before.
Is refusing to serve the wedding of a gay couple a boycott?
I looked it up, and it's at least controversial - I was wrong to be so facile.
Unions may be prevented from secondary boycotts without implicating the 1A.
Though a direct boycott as a protest in favor of your viewpoint seems to unclear so far as SCOTYUS says.
I was wrong to be so facile.
That's never stopped you before.
Economic arm-twisting via...speech ("don't buy from X')?
Besides, DB didn't push for Feldman's ouster by pointing to anything she did but rather by pointing to her speech (in saying she personally would not "collaborate on projects and events involving Israeli academic institutions, not to teach at or to attend conferences and other events at such institutions, and not to publish in academic journals based in Israel".
That speech, he argued, means she might not have followed university policy and/or treated students fairly. Well, that's almost exactly what people are saying about Amy Wax, Shapiro, etc., (that their speech makes them suspect in how they might treat and grade students and live up to university statements on diversity, inclusiveness, respect, etc.,).
Economic arm-twisting via action (not buying from X).
"That speech, he argued, means she might not have followed university policy and/or treated students fairly."
You think speech that indicates that someone intends to do their job poorly is protected by academic freedom? No more so than conspiring to commit a crime, which is also speech.
Not buying? I thought you guys were into this whole 'action/inaction' distinction....
"You think speech that indicates that someone intends to do their job poorly is protected by academic freedom? "
So you don't think Amy Wax should be teaching? It's a popular view....
"So you don't think Amy Wax should be teaching?"
Her job is largely to say what she thinks. If she were to say that she were to only teach non-Asian students, that would be a different matter.
Her comments outside of the institution (like Feldman's!) undermine the reputation of the institution (especially with minority students whom they are actively courting), makes one question her ability to administer class fairly, makes one question if she will use teaching resources in a way consistent with the mission of the school, etc.,
That's what people are saying about Wax. Pretty similar to what was said about Feldman!
"Her comments outside of the institution (like Feldman's!) undermine the reputation of the institution (especially with minority students whom they are actively courting), makes one question her ability to administer class fairly, makes one question if she will use teaching resources in a way consistent with the mission of the school, etc.,"
Feldman signed a pledge vowing not to not to collaborate on projects and events involving Israeli academic institutions, even if her duties require it.
Are you claiming that explicit disavowal of one's professional duties is protected by academic freedom, or that ordinarily protected speech loses its protection if it makes others speculate that you might not fulfill your professional obligations?
Boycotts are not speech. They're a form of action. Let's demonstrate this...
Let's take an official. They say "I don't like Black people." That's free speech. And legal, if undesirable.
They then say "I'm going to boycott buying from them or allowing them to buy my services" and follow through on that boycott. That's action and discrimination. And illegal.
It's very simple. A boycott is a type of action, and when instituted against certain classes and types, is illegal.
It's action and discrimination for you personally to say you're not going to, for example, do business with South African companies? Were the people who spoke at rallies saying they were going to boycott the Montgomery Bus line not engaged in protected speech?
Sure, just like it's action and discrimination for me to say that I'm not going to serve black people at my lunch counter. If one is speech, then so's the other.
So Rosa Parks should have been punished when she spoke out urging people not to ride Montgomery's buses. Interesting
It's generally not illegal to urge lunch counters to refuse to serve black customers.
But you can't tell people that your lunch counter doesn't serve blacks, put up a "Whites Only" sign in the door, etc.
It's a good think Feldman didn't put up such a sign at GWU!
"I'm not going to serve blacks" is almost certainly speech integral to criminal conduct, and thus not protected by the First Amendment.
"It's action and discrimination for you personally to say you're not going to, for example, do business with South African companies? "
-If you follow through on it, yes.
"Were the people who spoke at rallies saying they were going to boycott the Montgomery Bus line not engaged in protected speech?"
-Saying it is protected. Doing it...well, is there a government law that mandates you must do certain things? There was not in regards to the bus line.
Reread Cohen. Conduct can absolutely be expression, and expression is protected as speech.
Not sure what Cohen has to do with this.
Are you thinking of O'Brien? And if so, are you saying that Bernstein's is motivated by suppressing speech, and not by protecting the University or protecting Israel from economic harm?
There are very select examples of expressive conduct. Like wearing an armband, or burning a flag. They are purely expressive, and have no additional content beyond their expressive value.
Other types of conduct have value beyond purely expressive value, and are not protected by freedom of speech. These include...
1. "I'm gonna boycott Black people and black owned businesses that's my freedom of speech!" ...No.
2. "I'm gonna express my dissatisfaction with vaccines by boycotting getting them". No.
3. "I'm gonna protest my government taxes by not paying them" No.
None of these three examples fall under "Expressive content" for the purposes of the 1st Amendment. You can SAY "I don't want to pay taxes in protest"...but actually doing it isn't protected. The same deal with boycotts, or refusing service.
You can call it speech, or you can call it action. If your job description requires you to not boycott something that you have pledged to boycott, and you are not willing to affirm that you will not boycott that which you have pledged to boycott, you aren't qualified for the job.
Again, a very weak rejoinder.
As on so many things, Yogi Berra (allegedly) had the last word on boycotts: "If they don't want to come, nobody can stop them."
Boycott, in this case, meaning that she's going to spend public funds in a way that punishes a dis-favored political actor instead of spending them in the most effenient way to achieve the public ends? That's not speech, you guys are nuts.
Boycotts are protest. Protest is speech. You're nuts.
"Boycotts are protest. Protest is speech. You're nuts."
Yawn. Not all protest is speech, Sarcastro.
And stop thinking about my nuts.
I was wrong, you were right on this one.
Or at least, you were no nuts. I don't think the law is nailed down.
Wow. Something I've never seen before on this forum.
I was wrong
Obnoxiously so, as usual.
Lol, no you just attacked Shipman for his speech and said "if the Yale Episcopal Church would rather have someone who is not dragging its reputation through the mud...who can blame them?" And with Feldman " nor was it a call for her to be canceled/fired" you clearly called for her to be removed from her post in question (unless she changed her speech to one that didn't bother you as much). "Well my call to punish people in academic positions for their speech is totally different because I'm just worried about the institution's reputation or ability to accomplish its overall mission with a person who says such things as part of it" is, of course, what they who do that *all* say. I get it's hard when it's an ox you care about being gored, but let's not pretend you haven't called for people in academic positions to be punished for their speech. You have, as any long time reader here can recall if they're willing.
Just to head off some whiny pedanticism, My last "" is, of course, a mocking paraphrase of what DB and nearly all of those who call for punishing academics for their speech say, not a quotation (there are plenty and enough of those in the links provided).
I truly expected that confronted with an explanation of why his stated views were antisemitic, he would simply apologize and life would move on. He instead, as noted, doubled down. This was a volunteer, unpaid community relations position. His bosses asked him to take back antisemitic remarks. He refused. Cry me a river that they didn't want him anymore. Note, this is a church, not a job protected by academic freedom. Are you saying that academic freedom means that (a) people shouldn't criticize racist remarks by clerics who happen to be based at a church; and (b) that churches have some academic freedom obligation to retain a relationship with racists whom they employ, who double down when called out on their racist statements? Because nothing in the Scalia Law School Faculty statement suggests anything of the kind, nor is that consistent with any definition of academic freedom, or religious liberty, or freedom of speech, that I'm familiar with.
" "Well my call to punish people in academic positions for their speech is totally different because I'm just worried about the institution's reputation or ability to accomplish its overall mission with a person who says such things as part of it" is, of course, what they who do that *all* say. I get it's hard when it's an ox you care about being gored, but let's not pretend you haven't called for people in academic positions to be punished for their speech."
Again there's nothing wrong with punishing people in administrative positions for their "speech" about how they're going to administer public resources.
The notion that theses beaureaucrates believe that they're allowed to use public resources to advance their personal political ajendas is nuts. They probablys should be in prison.
GWU is private, Braniac.
But don't worry, that argument sunk I'm sure you'll just try to find another for your cancellation/censorship fetish.
"GWU is private, Braniac."
Fair enough. But academic freedom doesn't pretect poorly administering resources at a private school either.
It doesn't change the fact that you don't know what censorship is.
Sure, Feldman was targeted because her speech raised issues of administrative efficiency!
Just like Shapiro is targeted because now no on can trust him to fairly treat students.
See how that works?
"Sure, Feldman was targeted because her speech raised issues of administrative efficiency!"
That's the argument, that allowing an administrator to advance her personal goals by directing resources away from Israel harms the adademic mission of the university. And you have yet to refute the argument.
It's just like professors who have been disciplined for refusing to write letters of recommendation to students to study in Isreal.
"Just like Shapiro is targeted because now no on can trust him to fairly treat students."
In a hypothetical world where Shapiro had said that he wouldn't treat black students fairly, sure. Surely you're not aruging that academic freedom protects the right of faculty to say that they will treat students unfairly?
Are you OK with her contractually agreeing to not boycott while she actively advocates for such boycotts in her role as an administrator?
If she wants to argue that other people should boycott even though she hypocritically is not because she wanted a promotion, whatever... but as a university, given that she has an administrative position and can be thought to be speaking on behalf of her school, I'd require her to have a caveat that she is not speaking on behalf of her school, and that despite her advocacy that *others* boycott Israel, in her current position she does not, as per her contractual obligations.
In addition to her advocating for others to boycott, I would think academic freedom would include permitting her to advocate that the university change its position.
If an administrator is lobbying their employer to change its policies so as to facilitate illegal actions, the people responsible for that administrator should probably start asking some serious questions about diligence and duties.
"Dixie Chicks"
Dixie Chicks? Almost 20 years ago. You skipped the McCarthy Blacklist and the Alien and Sedition Act
Listen, time to let your mom of the hook for making you take down that poster.
One example of many given demonstrating a consistent line. Bob of course cherry picks one, but hey, it's still an ugly censorship cherry.
"many"
6, we can get to that from your side every month
GMU Law's statement of commitment is still laudable, regardless of the truth of your allegations concerning Prof. Bernstein. It's a difficult line to draw, between academic freedom and unacceptable speech and behavior.
One major difference is Shapiro didn't say anything racist. Even if you support speech suppression, this is a case of willfully misreading something he wrote. It's almost as bad as trying to get someone fired because you walked into a room while they were a third of the way through saying 'Erich Honecker' and then refused to acknowledge that it mattered that they didn't say what you thought they said.
You could have linked to Bernstein's actual column on Feldman, but you didn't. For obvious reasons. You are -- dishonestly, as usual -- conflating sound criticisms, not calling explicitly for removal, with calls to remove people for their speech.
is being a supporter of academic boycotts of Israel consistent with holding an administrative position such as being a dean?
I think the answer is no, for three reasons, with a caveat.
Dude is a Dean. Bernstein said he shouldn't be. You should read the things you link.
"is being a supporter of academic boycotts of Israel consistent with holding an administrative position such as being a dean?"
Clearly not, if you're going to direct the school's resouces in a way that supports your personal political goals, and not the academic mission of the school.
"Dude" was a professor who was appointed dean, an administrative job. She pledged to do something that was inconsistent with taking that academic job. All I was asking was that she publicly state that she would not follow through on her pledge, and do her job. It's an egregiously dumb position to say that a faculty member should be hired as an administrator when that professor has pledged to do something that would be illegal, against school policy, and contrary to academic freedom, just because she has an ideological motivation.
Couldn't this be applied to hot takes on twitter?
Sure, if Shapiro had pledged to do something against Georgetown policy, rather than merely expressed an opinion about a pending Supreme Court nomination,
Georgetown seems to be alleging that Shapiro's words demonstrated an inability to abide by Georgetown's policy about inclusiveness. This may be right or wrong, but it seems to be the same complaint you had against Feldman.
Georgetown is alleging that, but they are basically suggesting that anyone who expresses, inartfully, opposition to affirmative action in any context, even not directly involving the law school in any way, is somehow fails some unstated "inclusiveness" test. That violates Georgetown's own, stated, contractual commitment to academic freedom.
If you assume that "demonstrate[s] an inability to abide by" policy, then you have to assume that a bunch of more explicit statements by leftists demonstrate the same, or probably worse. Georgetown has not reacted similarly in those cases, so they appear to be inconsistent in their interpretation of such things.
You didn't read the caveat, did you?
Does your usage of "dude" include women, or did you misgender Ilana Feldman?
Nice try Mike, but Bernstein's article is clearly linked to in the article I provided. So you're wrong about that, and of course you're wrong about the substance too, as anyone who reads both articles can conclude.
But the article linked to purports to refute the argument without actually stating what that argument actually was.
Professor Bernstein....Question(s) for you. I am interested in understanding your perspective.
Is 'free speech' the right lens to use here?
I am not confident about that. I have looked at this from the lens of: Is this an acceptable level of performance from a VP (Cato Institute), or Executive Director (GU)? Professor Shapiro is not some schmoe, he is a functional C-suite exec. The conclusion I came to is: No. This tweet shows an appalling lack of common-sense and really bad judgment. C-suite execs are paid not to make stupid mistakes like that, and execs who do make those stupid mistakes do not stay execs for very long.
My question to you: What is the 'right' lens to use here to assess this sorry spectacle and Professor Shapiro? And why?
Shapiro's comments showed a lack of analytical rigor or thought that ought to be embarrassing for any law professor, and are rankly hypocritical coming from a conservative after we just confirmed Barrett, one of the most unqualified Supreme Court nominees I've seen in my lifetime. But they seem perfectly consistent with the kinds of standards observed by the Cato Institute or the quasi-think tank cancer that Randy Barnett has installed at GULC (Josh, after all, is a non-resident member).
My own impression is that his remarks weren't, as claimed, 'racist', but were pretty darned peculiar coming from somebody with a high position in a libertarian think tank. While there's some degree of overlap between 'liberal' and libertarian conclusions, (A opposed to the reasoning leading to them.) the overlap between 'progressive' and libertarian isn't nearly as great. And yet, here he was praising a potential Supreme court justice for being a reliable progressive.
Useless commentary as always, Brett.
Shapiro's comments were racist, but not for the reason that has attracted so much ire (i.e., the use of the phrase, "lesser black woman"). The focus on that particular turn of phrase is unfortunate, because it allows Shapiro to deflect criticism by simply "apologizing" for being inartful - rather than acknowledging the deeply skewed way in which he was addressing the whole question.
It's not as though there is some objective ordinal ranking of all potential Supreme Court justices, according to which Sri Srinivasan is undisputably and widely regarded as "the best" possible candidate, all else being equal. He's an experienced and respected sitting judge on the D.C. Circuit, but there are a wide range of valid "qualifications" for the position; there are likely well-"qualified" candidates all over the place, both federal and state court judges, both judges and non-judges. There are also considerations such as a potential justice's own temperament and ability to get along with conservatives, which will be crucial considerations for a seat destined to be in the minority for the foreseeable future.
But all of that gets flattened in Shapiro's take - not even acknowledged, really. Why? What is so compelling about Biden's stated commitment to nominate a Black woman justice that some legal academic needs to opine on how offensive that commitment is?
At the same time, he notes - as a benefit - that Srinivasan is of South Asian descent. In so doing, he cynically attributes to progressives the belief that any POC is interchangeable with any other, for their DEI purposes, while betraying his own differential comfort with people of South Asian descent (as opposed to Black people).
"Shapiro's comments were racist,"
Nope, not in the least. You have to interpret them with actual malice to arrive at a racist meaning. Now, granted, he should have expected them to be interpreted with actual malice, he's not new to public speaking. But, still, the racism is a malign invention, by people who find accusations of racism a convenient way to shout down anyone who dares disagree with them.
"It's not as though there is some objective ordinal ranking of all potential Supreme Court justices, according to which Sri Srinivasan is undisputably and widely regarded as "the best" possible candidate, all else being equal."
Who said indisputably? Nothing's indisputable.
"What is so compelling about Biden's stated commitment to nominate a Black woman justice that some legal academic needs to opine on how offensive that commitment is? "
You need only ask the reaction if he'd committed to only nominate a white man, to answer that question.
"while betraying his own differential comfort with people of South Asian descent (as opposed to Black people)."
Again inventing racism where none is to be found, in order to shout someone down.
"You have to interpret them with actual malice to arrive at a racist meaning"
Brett,
You don't need malice to give Shapiro's remarks the plain text, racist interpretation.
As C_XY writes above. Senior executives are paid not to make such egregious errors. Tht DJT did routinely speaks all the worse for him.
Oh, so it's defamatory to argue that Shapiro's comments were racist, then? No - in fact, calling Shapiro's comments "racist" is the charitable interpretation. Because the alternative is to be forced to conclude that he's simply an idiot.
Your sense of the term "racist" is too narrow, and you misunderstand the point I am making. I am not calling Shapiro's comments "racist" in order to discredit them; rather, I am pointing out the weaknesses in Shapiro's claims - the claim that Srinivasan is clearly the "best" potential justice that Biden could nominate, the notion that focusing only on Black women candidates necessarily implies that they would be inferior picks, the silent dismissal of any possibility that a Black woman justice's identity may have important value in itself, the insinuation that progressives would see no meaningful difference between the kinds of experiences that Srinivasan and a Black woman could bring to the Court, etc. - and claiming that these kinds of rhetorical steps make sense only within a racist, white supremacist framework.
That is not the same as saying that Ilya is a vile white supremacist. But it is saying that the values and analysis he is applying here incorporate and repeat the white supremacist values that characterize the American right-wing ideology.
Now I realize that is hard for you to see - white supremacist right-wing ideology is practically the water you swim in - but that's what I'm saying.
Do you think that either Shapiro or Eugene would be making quite the stink about it that they're making now, if Biden did? Would you? No, I suspect not. I'm sure you would make some kind of specious argument about how it doesn't really matter if Biden committed to appointing a white man, since that's the substantial majority of the top picks anyway, so he's basically just saying he's going to pick the best person for the job. Shapiro and Eugene might not go quite that far.
But what you meant to say, of course, is, "imagine the reaction among the Black community if he were to say that!" And I'm sure we could, in that case, imagine their reaction to be somewhat akin to their reaction to Trump's nomination of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett - all of them eminently and unproblematically white, just as white as Alito and Roberts, though only arguably qualified (and, in Barrett's case, not even that). In other words, they might vocalize some dismay over the explicitness with which Biden would then be speaking, but they could hardly be exactly surprised by Biden's simply picking up where Trump left off.
Oh, yeah, the stink if Biden had vowed to only nominate a white male would have been a thousand times worse, given how cowed many people are on affirmative action, beaten down to the point where they'll pretend it's different from straight up racism. They're not cowed about identifying racism when it's directed in favor of whites, though. Basically everybody but David Duke would be condemning it.
I'm not particularly defending Shapiro's opinion that Srinivasan is objectively the best pick; His expressed reasons for thinking that are bad enough, they're outrageous in somebody who's high up in a nominally libertarian think tank. To think I once donated to Cato, and now their VP thinks being a reliable progressive is a good thing in at Supreme court justice; How the principled have fallen!
But given that he thinks Srinivasan is objectively the best pick, it logically follows that any other pick would be "lesser". And so a black woman pick would be a "lesser black woman" in the same trivial sense an Irishman would be a "lesser Irishman"; Lesser not on account of being a black woman, lesser on account of not being Srinivasan, and incidentally a black woman.
That was not what he said, though that's the implication of limiting the pool to black females. What he said was that Srinivasan was objectively the best. If that's true, then necessarily anyone who is not Srinivasan is an inferior pick. White man, black woman, Filipinx disabled transgender. All of them would be inferior picks. (Or, to use Shapiro's term, "lesser.")
And here we get the weird 21st century progressive notion that not thinking a person's race affects his or her value is racist.
As SimonP notes, ignoring race is a key white supremacist value that operates within a racist, white supremacist framework. Being a Black woman on its own brings value to the Court as that value should be self-evident!
I would agree with that. But Ilya Shapiro did not. He contended that Srinivasan is objectively the best. Now, is that kind of silly? Yes. Is it racist? No, obviously not.
Oh, please. "Analytical rigor?" It's a tweet. He's written plenty of law review articles if you want to check his analytical rigor.
So you agree that the tweet was poorly thought-out; it's just okay for a law professor to shoot from the hip in a tweet?
Almost the entire idea of Twitting is to shoot from the hip. It is microblogging, not long-form blogging with well-elaborated theses and structured arguments.
One of the reasons I never had any interest in going on Twitter. It's a medium almost perfectly designed to prevent reasoned argument.
Anybody claiming that ACB is "unqualified" is a partisan hack.
We're going to fire academics for sub-par tweets now? By all means, but lets do it consistently. We could probably eliminate the budget deficit.
So...what is the 'right' lens to use here, and why?
In looking at 'free speech' and 'executive mgmt performance and expectations', why shouldn't we look solely at performance?
If Shapiro's tweet is sufficiently bad to justify firing him (let's not pretend you're not trying to rationalize that, even though you pussyfoot around it suggestively), probably 90% of academics on twitter would have to be fired. I don't know about CEOs, but academics seem to believe that saying controversial things (note that I disagree that anything Shapiro said is wrong; the controversy is entirely willful misreading of his tweet) is often part of their job.
He's not being hired to be a "C suite executive." He's being hired as a lecturer and to administer an academic center. Georgetown contractually guarantees him academic freedom, unlike if he was, say, working in the PR office or in alumni fundraising.
Professor Bernstein, does he not fund raise in his capacity of VP (CATO) and Executive Director (GU)?
I understand where you are coming from, I think. Your position is the right lens is use here is the 'free speech' lens, not the executive management performance lens. I will think about this.
Thanks for responding Professor Bernstein.
David, I do wonder what the intended audience for this virtue signaling is, since few outside the realm of legal academia (and, I suppose, grievance warriors on the right) have any reason to care whether Shapiro gets to be the executive director of Randy's little pet project at GULC.
I don't think Shapiro should be fired or meaningfully "disciplined" for his comments, either. But I don't much care what happens to him, since his comments demonstrated that he's both an ass and not a very thoughtful one, at that - not, at least, when commenting on current events.
Yes, all of white dudes over at ASSOL are very concerned about free speech when it impinges on the rights of some guy who's spent his life sucking funding from Koch front groups to post as many racisms as he wants.
Disgusting.
Uh-oh, one of the trolls at Above the Law must have linked to this post.
Do you support the Volokh Conspiracy's censorship, Prof. Bernstein?
The banning of Artie Ray Lee Wayne Jim-Bob Kirkland?
The vanishing of comments using the term "c_p succ_r" to describe conservatives (and others) who defend and promote abusive, bigoted policing?
The censoring of the terms "sl_ck-j_wed" and "p_ssy" (when used to describe conservatives; they appear to be permitted in other contexts)?
Does the overwhelming White, strikingly male nature of the Volokh Conspiracy interest or bother you? Had you noticed?
Thank you.
Overwhelmingly Jewish too. Maybe they're part of that banking cabal that I hear rules the world? Thank you though for pointing out that many of the writers here belong to the 'wrong race' though, a very progressive contribution to the discussion.
Of all the commenters on this website -- or any other website I've visited -- RAK comes closest to an actual Nazi.
Never happened, troll.
While the school says this, the students there, do not believe in it. They are mindless thralls for the most part and seem to get their entire belief system from reddit.