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Amy Wax and the Problem of Right-Wing Double Standards on Immigration
Her support for racially discriminatory immigration policies is just the tip of a much broader iceberg of conservative support for discrimination in immigration policy of a kind they would reject in other contexts.

University of Pennsylvania law professor Amy Wax faces investigation and possible sanctions from her university, as a result of her statement that "as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration." Her support for racial discrimination in immigration policy is not an isolated remark. At the 2019 National Conservatism conference, Wax said much the same thing about non-white immigrants generally, arguing for "the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer nonwhites."
On the issue of sanctions, I largely agree with the Academic Freedom Alliance's letter about this case, emphasizing the principle that universities should not punish faculty for out-of-class political speech (I am a member of AFA myself, but was not involved in the drafting of this letter). Penn is a private university, so the First Amendment does not apply. Nonetheless, I don't think university administrators can be trusted to enact such speech restrictions or to enforce them fairly. Any attempt to do so is likely to undermine academic freedom and reduce the quality of intellectual discourse.
That said, Wax's statements on immigration are deeply problematic, and deserve severe criticism. Worse, they are symptomatic of a broader pattern on the right. All too many conservatives support discrimination and injustice in immigration policy of a kind they would reject elsewhere.
Wax and her supporters defend her comments on immigration by emphasizing that her objections to Asian immigrants and non-white ones generally are not about biological race, as such, but merely about their political and cultural values. If Asian immigrants voted for Republicans, rather than Democrats, she would perhaps be happy to take more of them.
But this defense doesn't cut it. Wax is still advocating large-scale racial and ethnic discrimination. The fact that she wants to use race and ethnicity as crude proxies for other characteristics doesn't make it right. Conservatives, including Wax herself, readily see that when it comes to racial preferences in college admissions, defended on the grounds that African-American applicants, for example, are more likely to have been victims of racial injustice or to contribute to "diversity" on campus. The idea that blacks are, on average, more likely to have experienced racism in American society than whites, is likely true. Nonetheless, Wax rejects such rationales for racial preferences, on principle, and instead (correctly, in my view) advocates color-blind admissions.
The very same logic should dictate color-blindness - and rejection of ethnic and national-origin discrimination - in immigration policy, as well. Indeed, racial and ethnic discrimination in immigration policy is a far greater injustice than affirmative action preferences in university admissions. Most victims of the latter still get to go to college in the US, usually at universities only modestly less prestigious than the ones that rejected them. By contrast, many victims of racial and ethnic discrimination in immigration policy are consigned to a lifetime of poverty and oppression in their countries of origin.
If the reason to oppose racial and ethnic discrimination in college admissions is that government and university bureaucrats can't be trusted to craft such policies fairly, the same point applies in spades to immigration policy. Indeed, anti-Asian discrimination in the former is often motivated by the same sorts of crude stereotypes as the latter.
To the extent that (as in Wax's case) rationales for discrimination in immigration are based on generalizations about the political views of various racial and ethnic groups, they also run up against principles of freedom of speech. It is striking that many of the same conservatives who advocate viewpoint-based immigration restrictions are also deeply angry about "cancel culture" and government attempts to combat supposed "misinformation" online. If we can't trust government and university officials to properly regulate speech on social media or that of academics like Wax, why should we trust the government to decide which would-be immigrants' political views are acceptable, or which ones have bad cultural values?
That's especially true if we are talking about excluding people not based on their actual views, but merely based on crude generalizations about the views of members of their racial or ethnic group. If Wax ends up getting punished for her statements, it will at least be for things she actually said. It would be much worse if she were sanctioned merely because she is white, and university administrators concluded that whites, on average, are more likely to have reprehensible views on racial issues than members of other groups.
Some argue that this kind of double standard is acceptable because would-be immigrants don't have a right to come to the US. I deny the latter premise. Indeed, most immigration restrictions are unjust for much the same reasons as domestic racial discrimination is, and standard rationales for a general right of governments to exclude immigrants collapse upon close inspection.
But even if you accept the conventional wisdom that governments have a general right to exclude migrants, it doesn't follow they can do so based on racial and ethnic discrimination. Racial discrimination in government policy is wrong even with respect to institutions from which the government can bar people for other reasons. For example, the government isn't required to admit any particular applicant to a public university, or even to establish such schools at all. But racial discrimination in state university admissions is still unjust (and outrages conservatives, including Amy Wax).
The same goes for discrimination based on political views. A state university that admitted only Democrats (or only Republicans) would be an affront to freedom of speech. Conservatives would be among the first to object to it.
There is no good reason to exempt immigration restrictions from moral constraints that apply to other government policies. And that especially goes for restrictions based on crude racial and ethnic stereotypes, such as lumping together all Asians and all non-whites, ignoring the vast diversity within both categories.
If these kinds of double-standards were unique to Wax, they wouldn't matter much. But, sadly, such views are common on much of the political right. Many of them cheered Donald Trump's stigmatization of Mexican immigrants, his advocacy of banning migration from "shithole countries" (all of them majority non-white), and his travel bans openly directed at Muslims, in a way conservatives rightly denounce as unconstitutional and unjust in the domestic context. More generally, all too many on the right support a jurisprudence under which immigration restrictions are largely exempted from constitutional constraints that apply to virtually all other government policies, including freedom of speech, and rules against racial, ethnic, and religious discrimination.
The political left has its own flaws, when it comes to racial and ethnic discrimination, including anti-Asian bias in admissions at various elite educational institutions, which I have condemned. But their flaws are no excuse for egregious conservative double standards on immigration.
If you truly support principles like color-blindness and freedom of speech and religion, you can't chuck them out the window when the subject turns to immigration policy. Conservatives would do well to remember that.
Indeed, experience shows that promoting invidious discrimination in one area of government policy increases the risk that it will spread to others. Historically, racist immigration policies were closely tied to similar bigotry at home, with each feeding off the other. Anti-Asian immigration restrictions in the late 19th and early twentieth centuries coincided with discriminatory policies against those same groups within the United States; the two were mutually reinforcing. The same pattern could well recur today.
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I tend to agree. We should not be using race or ethnicity as a proxy (And a crude one, indeed.) for ideology. That's a remarkably stupid thing to do, and I have to suspect that not a little racism lurks behind the decision to advocate it.
We should discriminate directly on the basis of ideology, to the extent we can measure it.
Brett thinks we should limit immigration to those who think and vote like him.
In some other comment section he'd no doubt bewail the sad state of intolerance and orthodoxy.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Correct, that’s how Florida became a red state because Republicans encouraged Cubans to come here illegally. So in 2000 Republicans wept for poor little Elian Gonzalez because his irresponsible mother died bringing him here illegally in a rickety raft. So if a Central American dies crossing the Rio Grande Republicans don’t want to make the rest of her family citizens because they don’t believe Central Americans will vote Republican.
About 7% of Florida's population is Cuban born. I guess that explains it, eh?
Enough to get George W Bush elected which was an unmitigated disaster that cost America $10 trillion and led to China being great again.
China's economic rise began in the late 1970s, about 25 years before W became POTUS.
By 2001, China was very clearly a great economic and political power.
Do partisan hacks, such as yourself, realize how transparently silly your reflexive arguments sound?
Hi, Queenie. I suggest you emigrate to a diverse country.
The Democrat Party is the party of the vile lawyer profession. Ilya wants to make our country a permanent one party state, with Democrats and lawyers having dictatorial power.
I live in a diverse country, the USA, if your autistic authoritarian self would leave your mom's basement you'd get that.
Why not move to a diverse run part of the country like Baltimore or Detroit? Make it personal, or STFU, from your nice white run jurisdiction. Those diverses are not risking their lives to immigrate to a diverse jurisdiction. They are seeking white jurisdictions. There are no successful diverse run jurisdictions anywhere in the world, for the past 700 years, since the age of Mansa Mousa.
Kind of tired of "autistic" being used as an insult so frequently. (And generally inaccurately, of course.)
Personally, I've got Aspergers, and am not at ALL happy about the psychiatric profession deciding to lump it together with autism. I've a friend with a kid who's autistic, sweet kid but he IS mentally handicapped. Your average person with Aspergers isn't so much mentally handicapped as mentally different, the disadvantages come linked with advantages, which is why you find so many people with Aspergers doing well in the STEM professions. Which you can't say of people who are genuinely autistic, they're really screwed, sadly.
" Kind of tired of "autistic" being used as an insult so frequently. "
If you dislike certain accurate comments about "autistic authoritarians" or autism in general, complain to the proprietor. If (and only if) your complaint is aimed at a liberal or libertarian, the record establishes that your complaint might be vindicated by removal of comments, banishment of the commenter, and/or a warning against recurrence.
What a hateful gasbag you are, "Reverend," using people with real problems to mock your political opponents.
We should definitely discriminate against Muslims…with Lady AQ showing that being highly educated doesn’t mitigate extremism or facilitate assimilation.
This is the talk they had about Jews a hundred years ago, they were full of radical anarchists/communists and the more educated ones were just as, if not as much, a danger to our 'way of life.'
So you think we should allow members of ISIS into America so they can practice Islam hoping they change their ways and start watching RuPaul??
Agreed. America would have been much better off without them here.
We should discriminate directly on the basis of ideology,
Why? I mean aside from the fact that you don't like Democrats.
If we are going to discriminate based on personal values it seems we should value honesty, work ethic, ambition, attitude towards education, etc.
Even I would not suggest that those things are correlated with likely political leanings.
Unfortunately, it's probably impossible to measure them, and you would end up with a lot of stupid subjective, or outright political, valuations, as we do now with too many asylum seekers.
Because when you let people immigrate to your country, you're deciding which direction it's going to evolve in, and some directions are worse than others. I call that the "you are what you eat" theory of immigration.
Assimilation is a two way street: The country assimilates the immigrants, and the immigrants assimilate the country.
And let's not pretend there aren't awful ideologies out there that we don't need more of. Communism. Fascism. Other isims that are inimical to our way of life.
We don't have to admit our enemies, just because they knock at the door asking to come in.
Except you actually don't get to predict or influence very well how your country will evolve.
America's strength has been that it doesn't try and curate it's culture. Makes us a lot less brittle not being so insecure.
And when we have been insincere thence comes McCarthyism, and it sucked.
"America's strength has been that it doesn't try and curate it's culture. "
We've got 150 years of immigration law that says otherwise.
That's not the goal of our immigration policy. Has never been. Not even when it was super racist.
It absolutely has been. Silly.
"America's strength has been that it doesn't try and curate it's culture."
BS, on multiple levels. Ideological curation is an explicit part of our immigration law.
During and after World War I, the U.S. government was concerned with the external threats of anarchism and communism
Redbaiting may be in our laws, but we don't really stick with it these days, except for a few paranoid right-wingers.
Much to our disadvantage, yes, this part of our immigration law is weakly enforced.
"Why?"
Well, let's use a pseudo-hypothetical example. Let's say there was a large population that believed in the concept of "death to America". Let's couple this with Somin's open borders theory. This population decided they would immigrate to America, dominate the elections through sheer numbers (~150-200 million or so would do) and then vote to remove the right for women to vote, or hell, eliminate democracy totally, and put into place a regime more in line with what they thought.
Should that be allowed to happen?
This population decided they would ... eliminate democracy totally, and put into place a regime more in line with what they thought.
Should that be allowed to happen?
Well, it's not clear what to do about Republicans, I guess.
More seriously, I think the issue is what Brett defines as "ideology."
"Well, it's not clear what to do about Republicans, I guess."
While that's cute, I think the first few questions you have to ask in potential immigrants ideology is....
1. Do you swear allegiance to the United States of America?
2. Do you believe in a free democratic America, where everyone has the right to vote, man or woman, black or white?
3. Will you willingly take up arms to defend the rights enshrined to the people in the United States Constitution?
Those are some elements of "ideology" you need to ask of potential immigrants who would become citizens. And if the answer for those questions may be no...you need to reconsider whether they should be citizens.
We should have a merit based system like Canada has. And a wall to limit cheating.
1. We have visas that do that.
2. Picking merit a priori is not a slam dunk, especially considering their kids will be Americans as well and who knows what they'll be good at.
But I'd be fine with an additional greencard system for merit (agency sponsored or otherwise), so long as we also keep the lottery.
We can't measure that.
I think we should simply discriminate based on earnings. You can come to the US if you earn $200k/year and speak fluent English. If you maintain those earnings for 10 years, you can stay permanently, otherwise you have to leave.
It's simple and it avoids all these silly discussions about "race".
"Diversity" = Fewer Whites, and this is held up as the greatest of Goods.
Its literally a factual statement.
A: Democrat policies
B: American turning into a sh^th*le
C: Asian support
1. Assume A->B
2. If C->A
3. Then Amy (thinks) C->B
Even if you disregard the 'thinks' part, your problem should be part 1. Otherwise you're literally arguing against the concept of logic.
2 has an if in it, chief. One can have an independent issue with 2 as well.
And, finally, morality is not something that needs to be bound by logic. Not all moral systems are purely consequentialist.
Why do you think it is that the "woke" say that logic is racist?!
If you replace 'Asian' with "Jewish' or 'Catholic' conservatives would be throwing a fit (heck, under Trump's EOs there might be an investigation and loss of funds discussed). Indeed, anti-Semites and anti-Catholics used to make exactly that argument against immigration from those two 'cultures,' respectively. It's amazing that many conservatives defend Wax's comments, but sadly telling.
It hasn't garnered much of a fit from either side. At least not as much as if it was one of the more favored demographics.
It was pretty roundly and widely condemned by the left (that's why they're talking sanctions).
of course they'll seize any opportunity to gain power and punish heresy but I only heard about this recently on this blog whereas if it was one of the other groups I would have heard about much sooner on the outside.
"I only heard about this recently on this blog "
You may want to get out (of your ideological bubble) more. I read a bunch of left wing blogs and sites, many of whom were (rightly) making a fuss about this when it went down.
The left in NYC is changing entrance requirements for specialized schools because there are too many Asians getting in.
The left is upset with Wax because they think Asian immigrants are left voters, the mirror of Wax.
And the left is wrong in NYC, and Wax is wrong in her statements.
The left in NYC is discriminating against Asians because they think Asian immigrants are left voters? That makes as much sense as Bob's usual reasoning here.
If that's what's happening in NYC it is bad.
But the lack of a partisan-driven racism is likely in NYC.
In order for the left to successfully pitch a fit, they would first have to acknowledge their own stance on asians in higher ed, and even they're not quite that stupid.
That's pretty uncommonly silly given, for example, the stink they readily (and rightly) made over Trump and his flunkies 'Kung Flu' type of talk.
Hypocrites can be correct about stuff.
Hi, Queenie. Let's make it personal. Emigrate to a diverse country.
Actually, one of the responses posted on Prof. Loury's blog made just such a comparison as a rebuttal, although from what strikes me as a somewhat odd perspective:
In other words, while helping Jews escape the Holocaust and Russian pogroms meant we had to pay the cost of letting in bad Jews like Albert Einstein, it was worth it to get the good Jews who could figure out how to make nuclear weapons.
At any rate, Prof. Wax responded by doubling down on her original point.
https://glennloury.substack.com/p/amy-wax-redux
The US did very little of that.
Which is why she understands what a self-destructive path the US is actually on.
Political culture is a real thing.
Import Not Americans, become Not America.
"That's racist!" is simply race-baiting false witness. It's a sin, and a malignant societal cancer.
Shouldn't "... are based no generalizations ..."
read "... are based on generalizations ..."?
We should decide whether the concept of race exists or not. If it doesn't there shouldn't be all these garbage holidays and safespaces and scholarships and handwringing for something that doesn't exist.
If it does, like everything else in the universe there is good and bad about it and free and open rational discussion should be allowed about these things.
Enough with this magical amorphous floating concept that is wholly pure whenever one side discusses it and always evil when another side does the same.
The whole idea behind Critical Race Theory is not only that race exists, but that everything is about race.
The "alt-right" also think that race exists; they call themselves "race realists."
So yeah, you can't say that one is crazy / evil / wrong while defending the other one.
Let’s be honest, if those were millions of Republican voters flooding over our borders and invading our cities there would be a wall one mile high with a mile deep moat filled with sharks with lasers surrounding it. Further the Pentagon would send every lipstick wearing man-in-dress it could muster to shoot any illegal they could scope in between their daily dilations.
So that literally happened for years with Cubans in Florida.
I remember Obama enacted a policy or two to make Cuban immigration a bit harder.
Correct, Obama started the crackdown of phony asylum seekers by characterizing Cubans as “economic refugees”. Trump wisely continued his policy.
The Obama admin moved heaven and earth to squash a few German homeschoolers. So I can imagine the Border would make the DMZ look like a backyard sandpit and Ilya would be personally manning one of the machine gun nests if they believed a flood of die hard republicans were coming in.
I can imagine the Border would make the DMZ look like a backyard sandpit and Ilya would be personally manning one of the machine gun nests if they believed a flood of die hard republicans were coming in
Counterfactuals don't prove hypocrisy in the first place (just a look at the author's worldview), but then you think Somin is a Democrat?!
Worse: Somin is an intellectual and tenured faculty. He lacks even the miniscule amount of accountability for the consequences of the policies he advocates that a Democratic politician has.
You think Ilya would be murdering immigrants if they voted Republican? lmao
Amazing that you can say "lets be honest," and then rattle off a big bunch of imagined crap.
The best what aboutism is when one side's is imagined.
"as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration."
Aside from being odious* this is factually false. She needs to take a look at the contribution of Asian-Americans to our society and, yes, our culture.
*Compare: "as long as most Jews support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Jews and less Jewish immigration."
Or "as long as most African-Americans support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer African-Americans and less African immigration."
Are you suggesting that Prof. Wax would disagree with either of your latter two points?
Well, she seems to be Jewish, or at least her parents were.
Plus, think of the implication: It necessarily follows that she thinks Asians/Jews/Blacks are either too stupid to see that the policies they support are harmful, or she thinks they don't care. Pretty disgusting.
But really my point is that if you buy her (idiotic) statement about Asians you necessarily buy the other two, and I suppose lots of other things.
"as long as most Californians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off deporting people who live in California."
Prof. Wax says,
No, it's not clear to me why she thought this explanation made it better.
Black voters were voting for Southern Democrats in large numbers even while Democrats were implementing eugenics, forced sterilization, and segregation. The likely reason is that this was in their short term economic interest, even if the racist policies of the Democrats were not in the long term.
The point is: we don't get to "vote for policies", we get a choice among a small number of pre-selected candidates. Furthermore, there is no point in voting for long term policies because those will be undone by future administrations anyway. The net result is that people rationally vote for politicians bringing them short term benefits even though the same politicians may be destroying the country in the long term.
Asians/Jews/Blacks aren't too stupid to see that, but you obviously are. Pretty disgusting.
I suspect she would find some nuance suddenly.
Lots of unspoken baggage about race shows up in this little logical argument she makes, and the choice of race she makes to apply it to.
The "unspoken baggage" exists in your head because your thinking is suffused with racism; when Wax talks about "Asian immigration", she obviously isn't making a statement about race but a statement about country of origin.
The US has been setting quotas based on country of origin for a century and a half, often at the urging of progressives, who have used these quotas to try to achieve some political outcome or other.
Hair splitting over racism versus bigotry doesn't get you very far.
And you also need to look at the cost of having more and more ethnic conflicts, distrust, and other social problems in a nation, a cost that accrues as a result of turning the US into an increasingly multiethnic and multicultural society.
Are you a white supremecist? You know, to avoid all those ethnic conflicts.
No, not at all. I have no problem with a multiracial society; I do have a problem with a multiethnic and multicultural society because such societies fail.
If you don't understand the differences between race, ethnicity, and culture, then it is likely that you are a racist.
What about the Jews?
Why is that even a question? Why do fascists like you keep obsessing about “the Jews”?
This blog attracts a striking concentration of unreconstructed bigots.
Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Case Western, Duke, Princeton, and Steptoe & Johnson must be so proud.
I think it’s hypocritical to say that sex-based abortion is a constitutional right and a state can’t prohibit it, and then object to race-based immigration.
Only persons can have constitutionally meaningful races, sexes, or religions. Or plenary chiice really means plenary choice, the ability to make a choice for any reason or know reason. If we are going to say that discrimination trumps plenary choice, be consistent. If we are going to say that plenary choice trumps discrimination, be consistent. But it’s rediculous to object to race-based immigration restrictions while defending a right to race or sex based abortions. Fetuses have biological races and sexes just like foreigners. If objections to discrimination trump choice, they ought to so so in abortion as well
If you onject to double standards, don’t have them.
"Some argue that this kind of double standard is acceptable because would-be immigrants don't have a right to come to the US. I deny the latter premise. Indeed, most immigration restrictions are unjust…"
The existence of unjust outcomes based on happenstance doesn’t obligate bystanders to fix them.
That's probably because there is no legal or moral reason for immigration policy to be non-discriminatory. If we are going to continue to have a functioning country and culture, the US actually needs to discriminate based on criteria that would be illegal to discriminate on for citizens. Nor is this anything new: the US immigration system, like all immigration systems, has always been highly discriminatory.
No moral reason not to discriminate?
What is American culture, anyway?
You are welcome to construct a moral argument for why it would be wrong to discriminate based on ethnicity, culture, country of origin, or belief system when it comes to immigration. Go ahead.
Historically, Anglo-Saxon protestant culture. There is little of it left. The country really has become multi-ethnic and multicultural, and we are all paying the price. As an immigrant, that's not the kind of sh*thole I signed up for.
You think America is a shithole, get out then.
Yes, I probably will leave the US over the next few years, unless the country reverses course. I already left California because as a gay immigrant, I couldn’t stand the intolerance, bigotry, and mismanagement of the Democrats anymore.
People with skills and money have choices, and we vote with our feet.
The US government doesn't owe non-citizens justice.
Just because you cobble together some half-baked arguments doesn't mean the matter is settled.
I don't owe my neighbor assistance.
I am not my brother's keeper.
I can name a few moral systems that may have issue with your take.
I can too: socialism and fascism.
In Christianity and liberalism, however, helping others is a voluntary choice and a charitable act. And the nature and extent of such help is conditional.
Personally, I'd rather the United States government owe everyone it deals with justice rather than making carve outs to commit injustice against anyone it wants to.
the US immigration system, like all immigration systems, has always been highly discriminatory.
No. That's wrong as a simple matter of history.
Educate yourself. It is correct as a simple matter of history.
Indeed. History says otherwise, in one way or another.
A slight nitpick. Did Wax specifically advocate restricting immigration by race, or did she "only" say the US would be better off if there were fewer of them? From the quotes presented here, I can't tell.
It's a little bit different. For example, I could say the US would be better off if NOYB2 or Sevo stopped talking about politics, and stayed home on election day. But that's not the same as advocating denial of their freedom of speech or right to vote.
Similarly, one might believe and state that the US would be better off if the POTUS died and was replaced by the VPOTUS. Not quite the same as advocating for the death to actually happen.
Wax is wrong either way but one's more problematic than the other.
Wax didn't advocate restricting immigration by race at all; she advocated restricting immigration by country of origin.
The US has done that for a century and a half, and continues doing it today, and both parties are setting these quotas. All Wax is doing is arguing about how those quotas should be set.
I do stay home on election day. I'm just leaning back and watching the US slowly turn into the kind of sh*thole that I emigrated from.
Fortunately, I have saved enough money and have the choice to retire somewhere nice.
I could say you're painting with a rather broad brush here Ilya, but I'm not sure you would take my meaning fully.
So I'll just go ahead and say your above statement is completely full of shit.
The comments here seem to indicate he's more right than you are.
Though your indignation speaks well of you. Better than many on here.
America has experienced successive waves of intolerance and ignorance -- often related to race, religion, ethnicity, or perceived economic pressures -- throughout its history.
Those targeted by our lesser elements for discrimination, violence, demonization, and other abuse have included Italians, Jews, gays, Blacks, the Irish, agnostics, women, Asians, Catholics, Hispanics, Muslims, eastern Europeans, atheists, other Asians, other Hispanics -- most of America, at one time or another.
What makes our country great is that in America the bigots do not win, not over time.
Our latest batch of bigots seems nothing special, its reliance on the charms, insights, and integrity of Donald J. Trump notwithstanding. These losers are destined to rant impotently as America continue to forge a better society with the strength of diversity.
During my childhood the bigotry was open, common, even casual. The intolerant jerks wanted everyone to know they were bigots, and that their way would be the way, and that gays, Blacks, Jews, and others would know their limited place. A half-century of American progress has changed this, to a point at which today's bigots do not want to be known as bigots, at least not publicly. They prefer to hide behind euphemisms -- "traditional values," "conservative values, "religious values," "colorblind," "family values," "heartland." They have become disaffected, desperate, and defensive.
America has withstood the culture onslaught of ravioli, egg rolls, collard greens, bagels, Jameson, tacos, pad thai, lutefisk, sushi, hummus, coq au vin, empanadas, tikka masala, Tim Hortons, perogies -- and become the better for it. Add pizza to much of that list and you might have a standard American middle school lunch menu.
It seems likely we will have vestigial xenophobes, racists, gay-bashers, White nationalists, anti-Semites, Muslim-haters, and misogynists among us for so long as any of us is alive in America. But better Americans will continue to shape our national progress -- preferring progress, tolerance, education, modernity, reason, inclusiveness, and science -- while our conservative culture war casualties continue to wriggle inconsequentially and whine about all of this damned progress.
Thank goodness for the American way.
So, do you agree we are a melting pot or a multicultural country with no shared values? My Italian grandparents came here and learned the language and were proud Americans who left "old world" issues behind them. They considered themselves Americans. It wasn't about the "freedom" to make a lot of money and bad mouth the folks who had immigrated here before them. Or attack them. Or push socialism. Look at the media today..Salon, Slate, WaPo, NYT..full of Americans who never really became American but focus on attacking normal Americans...
I'm a gay immigrant who came to this country half a century ago. The US used to be a liberal and tolerant society until a few decades ago. Thanks to people like you, it is turning into a failing, intolerant authoritarian basket case.
Your understanding of cultures is evidently limited to eating at "ethnic" restaurants, and to you, immigrants like me are just cardboard cutouts you utilize to feel superior and justify your self-serving ideology.
Intolerance of those who don't share your specific thoughts and beliefs is still Intolerance. Nobody has the right to denigrate others for how they think, believe or choose to live their lives. If they don't impact anyone but themselves, be quiet. Your not superior to anyone.
Nation States have a right to decide who gets in. Given the political background of the immigrants given our current federal govt which is operating outside the bounds of the Constitution every day, those they come with a propensity to socialism or communism or hatred towards natives should be a concern and denied entry. The "melting" pot where immigrants assimilated to American values worked very well for most immigrant groups (almost all European groups from northern and southern europe assimilated to our values very well) but some do not. The massive immigration of socialists and secularists from Eastern Europe and Russia have been at the forefront of "woke" policies for decades to our detriment. We should be very careful in who we let in but based on political ideology not geography.
This argument was literally the one used against Europeans from southern Europe.
If you pressed her for details, Ms Wax would probably say that she advocates restricting certain nationalities, not races per se.
Prior to 1965, US immigration heavily favored European countries and severely restricted immigration from other parts of the world. The rationale was that our country is better off with immigrants coming from the same countries the founding fathers did. There is some logic to that.
I favor less immigration from wherever Somin comes from. His posts are consistently anti-American, and people like him are making America a worse place.
You don't get to define what's American. Wrap yourself in the flag all you want, but neo-Know Nothingism is not American.
Left and right are not hypocritical, they're talking past each other using TWO DEFINITIONS for the same words , " self interest ". Left defines self interest as " your intersectionality or category of person ". Right defines self interest as " that specific individual ". Same words, " self interest ", totally different outcome and analysis.
"Wax is still advocating large-scale racial and ethnic discrimination."
The idea of an indiscriminate immigration policy (i.e., open borders) is nuts.
Let's change a detail and see if what Wax is advocating is acceptable.
Instead of opposing Asian immigration, Wax instead looked at the voting patterns of Jews and stated that she believes that Jewish immigration should be limited or ended entirely because they vote against her preferred policy preferences once they obtain citizenship. Would anyone dare to call that anything other than anti-Semitism? Would anyone argue that she should remain a tenured faculty member at a prestigious university?
That would just be sensibly avoiding a lot of commies and others with horrible political views.
"Wax is still advocating large-scale racial and ethnic discrimination."
Would you feel better if we talk about the prospective immigrants' "culture," as opposed to their race or ethnicity? Somehow, I suspect you'd still object to an argument like this:
"Poor countries have political and social systems that are less functional than those in rich ones. Their dysfunctional systems persist in part because they are embedded in the identities and narratives of local cultures. Migrants are escaping the consequences of their systems but usually bring their culture with them." (source)
Either we have open borders, and turn America into a Third World country, or we discriminate. There are no other choices.
Interestingly, Amy’s position (that geographic origin can indicate whether or not a person is likely to be a good addition to this country) was one held by Thomas Jefferson. In his Notes on the State of Virginia he expressed that “nothing can be more opposed” than welcoming numerous immigrants who would bring with them “the maxims of absolute monarchies. Yet, from such, we are to expect the greatest number of emigrants. They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth… These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass.”
So, while we can disagree with both Wax and Jefferson as to what characteristics would be deleterious to a prosperous and harmonious republican society, and how such characteristics can be discerned, they both seem to agree on the advisability of wariness concerning immigrants who come from countries where such characteristics are widely and strongly held.
Nor did Jefferson consider himself to be a bigot: “Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both.”
Jefferson did have some issues with that whole "all men are created equal" thing he wrote.
I think we can all agree that immigrants who vote Democrat should be criticized. Natural-born citizens too.
Or at least resisted.
"Worse, they are symptomatic of a broader pattern on the right. All too many conservatives support discrimination and injustice in immigration policy of a kind they would reject elsewhere."
Anyone who hasn't realized the right has no actual principles, just temporarily useless reasons, is hopelessly naive. They're not rejecting racial admissions in schools out of some dedication to the idea of color blindness, but because it hurts the right people. Like so many things, 'equal treatment' is just a convenient argument when it helps their position, and readily discarded when it doesn't, because their allegiance lies elsewhere, not to lofty ideals.
Just like how they claim businesses should have the right to exclude anyone, then demand businesses be forced to serve the maskless. They were never standing up for a principle of control over one's own business' freedom from state interference, that was merely a rhetorical tool used to justify the position, quickly cast aside when not help. As always, the only consistency is serving the in-groups interests at the expense of the out-group.
And a thousand others. You've no doubt noticed these trends, and it's time to stop pretending they don't dominate the right.
This is where you have to think of things both individually and collectively. Individually, the answer is color-blind, merit based citizenship. Collectively, as a whole, there are certain parts of the world where you would not want to just scoop up the population and plop them in the US (where terrorism, sex-trafficking, cartels, political/religious extremism, etc. are rampant.) But individualized vetting is tricky. And even then, we would all have our different criteria for granting citizenship. With about 5-10 questions I could know if people would align politically with me. Whether that is good or bad or should be done is another story. The point is, you can't say "we should not allow group X in because..." That is just a quick way to get fired/ridiculed/canceled, etc. regardless of intention. And you would think a college professor of all professions would know this.