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A Letter From A Current UPenn Law Student In Support Of Amy Wax
Recently, Philadelphia Councilman David Oh wrote a letter urging the University of Pennsylvania to review Professor Amy Wax's "role with the university." More recently, PennLaw Dean Ted Ruger announced that he will begin a formal sanction process against Wax. Erich Makarov, a 3L at UPenn who was in Wax's class, wrote a letter in response to Oh, that also addresses the issues in Ruger's announcement. Erich asked me to post his letter, which I do here:
Dear Councilman Oh,
I would like to preface my letter to you by saying that I am a second-generation American of Eurasian heritage. My parents are immigrants who escaped a brutal, totalitarian regime and came to this country penniless. I am also currently a law student at the University of Pennsylvania.
I write to you with the humble request that you inquire further into what is really going on at Penn Law and with Professor Wax specifically. You have doubtlessly witnessed the media firestorm that followed Professor Wax's comments in her interview with Glenn Loury. As a Republican in a place like Philadelphia, you surely realize that media reactions and blue checkmarks on Twitter are not always the best indicator of what is true. Such is the case here. Here is what is definitely true. Professor Wax is provocative. She holds heterodox views. She is not afraid to voice unpopular ideas so long as she honestly believes them to be true. Many of these views are certainly offensive to some people.
But as her former student, I can state without a doubt that Professor Wax's ultimate goal is the preservation of the principles of ordered liberty and private property upon which this nation was founded. She believes these principles are in mortal danger and under constant assault. She has never advocated for any kind of ethnostate; racial policymaking is the exact opposite of what she supports. Her goal is to make American meritocracy impregnable and prevent the kind of race-based, equity-seeking system that progressives push on the American people. If you watch her entire interview with Professor Loury, you will hear her make several crucial points that are being omitted in the media space.
Professor Wax's greatest concern is that Asian-Americans overwhelmingly vote for the Democratic Party. As a Republican in Philadelphia, it is hard to imagine that you would not share this concern. The Democratic Party has done more to set back the rights, opportunities, and safety of Asian Americans (both recently and historically), than any political force in American history. But even beyond that, the agenda of the Democratic party is rattling the classical liberal foundations upon which our nation stands. With progressive prosecutors, militantly anti-religious politicians, and an army of young followers that despise genuine free expression, this party makes us unsafe in our own communities, attacks our faith relentlessly, and seeks to punish us for any speech that is deemed politically incorrect.
When Professor Wax sees that Asian-Americans overwhelmingly give their endorsement to this agenda by voting for its creators, she draws a narrow (but natural) conclusion that there is something incompatible about the values of immigrants from Asian countries with the constitutional liberalism she so cherishes. I come to a different conclusion on this issue. I believe that it is the rotting of America's institutions that has led many people astray. Curricula that train young minds to despise America, popular culture that denigrates all traditional values and extols conformity, and politicians who appeal to base tribal instincts to turn groups against the common good are to blame. All can fall victim to these immense pressures—race isn't the cause.
But here's the thing, Professor Loury immediately made this very point and forcefully disagreed with Professor Wax right during the interview. He made a respectful and excellent rebuttal and placed emphasis on how institutions like schools and media are actually culpable for corrupting American ideals rather than racial background. And guess what? By talking it through, Professor Loury actually got Professor Wax to engage with these points and adapt her understanding of the issue. And that is the essence of what is at stake here. It is the ability of two people who hold different, possibly controversial, views to sit down together, speak frankly, and come to a more accurate and less narrow-minded understanding of reality. It is the essence of American democracy and it is the essence of any proper system of higher education.
Professor Wax may say things that make us uncomfortable, but like all of us, she is searching. She is searching for truth, she is searching for ways to build a better society, she is searching for ways to preserve the ideals that made America a place that both my parents and yours wanted to come to. Her ideas are often unorthodox. Heck, her ideas are sometimes incorrect. But is taking her livelihood and ability to share her extensive expertise away from her going to truly help anyone?
Students at Penn who wish to learn from Professor Wax's expertise in areas like neuroscience and legal remedies tremble at the thought of classmates finding out they are taking her course. People are afraid to be seen walking into her classroom for fear that they will be isolated and vilified. Should they all be deprived of the ability to learn from her, to debate her, to respectfully challenge her in a safe classroom setting? Students at Penn Law can go through their entire three years of law school without even seeing Professor Wax within a mile radius. No one has to take her courses. No one has to read her work or listen to her words. She inhabits the tiny spaces of 14-person elective seminars and YouTube podcasts with niche intellectual audiences. It is no longer even the real presence of Professor Wax that offends students but her mere association with the university. This is no longer about protecting vulnerable students; it's about sanitizing the public forum to exclude non-progressive views. Radical progressive students wish to gag dissenting thought on campus, and there is not a doubt in my mind that they will not stop at Amy Wax.
Councilman, I understand why you wrote your letter to the University of Pennsylvania. Sometimes, we hear very painful things and we draw the conclusion that people are out to hurt us. We want to stop those people from saying hurtful things. And the flurry of incensed talking heads makes it seem like the whole world has turned against this one woman. There doesn't seem to be any reason not to condemn her. But as a second-generation American of Eurasian background and of Christian faith, I can assure you that when times really get tough, it won't be the blue checkmarks and the protesting college students that stand up for your rights, your property, and your safety. Rather, it will be those people who are willing to bear the burden of unpleasant opinions for the sake of higher principles who will be there for you.
We all know that Professor Wax has made uncomfortable observations about Black Americans in the past. Yet, Professor Loury, a Black man, regularly invites Professor Wax on his show to engage in meaningful and civil discourse. He is able to put aside whatever discomfort he feels from Professor Wax's past words to find common ground wherever it may be. By doing this, Professor Loury embodies the American ideal. I sincerely hope that you can overcome the discomfort in your own heart just as Professor Loury has in his.
One of the core principles of Republicanism and of classical liberalism is that the government should play only a limited role in society. As a representative of the government of Philadelphia, you are urging a private institution to investigate one of its employees, implying strongly that she should be fired. This is a powerful move, and it may have some kind of impact. But is this really the right move? What would our founding fathers think of statesmen pressuring a university to fire a professor over something she said? As a constituent, an American, and a brother in faith, I humbly ask that you reconsider your request to the University of Pennsylvania. Unity that is achieved through silencing those who disagree cannot last.
Respectfully,
Erich Makarov
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I found most of what he said unpersuasive. But I'm glad you are willing to give a forum to alternate voices...I see nothing negative about that. (And I'll note that you, in the past, have been perfectly willing to give a similar forum to a someone pushing a liberal counterpoint to some conservative cause/argument.)
You are a Democrat and a denier. Penn Law must defunded disaccredoted and shut down. A prof says the self evident truth and gets investigated by dirty Commie inquisitors. Zero tolerance for woke. Shut it down.
One wonders if the student or if his family was subjected to Commie oppression.
The Democrat Party is Venezueling our country. The wealthiest nation in Latin America into a starving shithole. We are the same as they are. If they are not stopped the same fate awaits our country.
Put the meth pipe down.
Oops....for some reason, I thought that the OP was Eugene Volokh. It is *Eugene*, of course, who often gives "opposing" viewpoints a platform here. Josh does not do that, as far as I know.
I still have no problem with Josh giving a platform to a fellow far-right voice. But I incorrectly gave Josh credit for fairness/balance, so I felt it important to correct that record.
Curious what Mr. Makarov write that qualifies him as "far right?" Hopefully it's not just because he fails to sufficiently denounce Ms. Wax...
His endorsement of the view that Asians are incompatible with the American system government qualifies him as far right.
Neither Prof. Wax nor this student said any such thing.
“I found most of what he said unpersuasive.”
Then you can state the unpersuasive part rather than leaving us to guess. Right?
You could start with the first sentence, in which Mr. Makarov not only tries to falsely imply that he is a member of the group at whom Prof. Wax directed her racist comments, but does so so ineptly that only the dimmest-witted of readers could fail to notice and put up their guard.
He's Eurasian, so apparently at least partially Asian. Not sure how that makes him "falsely" a member of the group (Asians) that you claim Prof. Wax directs comments against.
Even if you haven't looked at her actual comments it should be pretty obvious that she wasn't talking about people from Russia.
But actually, Prof. Wax helpfull clarified that she was talking about "certain parts of Asia", and specified that her concern was over the "influx" of South and East Asians, because of her uncertainty as to whether "the spirit of liberty beat[s] in their breast".
Josh thinks racism is fine as long as you hate Democrats.
I don't know about Prof. Blackman, but that does seem to be what Erich Makarov thinks.
Neither has remotely approached racism.
I disagree with what Makarov wrote, but let's stop stretching the concept of racism to cover every potentially misguided view that happens to touch upon race in some way...
Considering it "natural" to believe Asians aren't compatible with the American system of government fits the definition of racist, and I'm not talking about the CRT version.
Right-wing bigots have a friend in Erich Makarov.
And another in Josh Blackman.
And another in the the White, male Volokh Conspiracy.
Carry on, clingers. Including the fledgling clinger just beginning a journey of bigotry, backwardness, and childish superstition.
AK - why are you always trying to keep The Blackman down?
Now *that* was funny.
This can't be the first time this was used.
Geeze, Rev. Go back to the Post, where you’re among the other Liberal whackos.
If my occasional leavening of the right-wing polemics at this blog with some liberal-libertarian mainstream perspective bothers you, ask Prof. Volokh to censor me. He has done it before. He seems likely to do it again. Maybe he will grant your wish, Jerry B.
I can "censor" you myself just by muting you, but it's too much fun to see your canned responses to anything you don't like, clinger.
Does it occur to you that when you repeatedly insult someone and dare them to ban you, it's not them who comes off worse for the exchange?
Worse than the partisan hypocrite who censors non-conservatives but not conservatives (when he isn't sniping at non-conservative schools for ostensible outrages against free expression)?
You may want to try another crack at that one.
no censorship at Reason mag.
Listen, Boomer. Make it personal, or STFU. Resign so you can be replaced by diverse.
Stipulating to everything you say happened, you haven't shown that EV's moderation practices were partisan, much less hypocritical. So in that light, yes, your habitual, repetitive insults have done more to harm you than him.
I'm surprised if that surprises you. I've long assumed that, whatever your reasons (fun, spite, who knows?), your transformation from a one-time substantive commenter was a deliberate choice to abandon persuasion in favor of trolling. I can't imagine you really believe this has been a productive way to win over persuadable minds.
My conclusion that Prof. Volokh's moderation practices (censorship) have been partisan is generated by experience.
(1) I was instructed not to use the term "sl-ck-jaw_d." Other (conservative) commenters have continued to use that term, most recently Cal Cetin within the past week.
(2) I was censored -- my comments vanished; the proprietor confirmed the censorship in writing and forbade recurrence -- for use of the term "c_p succ_r" in the context of conservatives providing slobbering succor to abusive police. When another commenter debuted the screenname "pho queue," Prof. Volokh not only permitted that term but also complimented the commenter's punny usage.
(3) I have been repeated censored and admonished -- and Artie Ray Lee Wayne Jim-Bob Kirkland was banned -- for asserted violation of this blog's "civility standards." Before and after such censorship of a liberal, conservative commenters have written (hundreds of times) that I and other non-conservatives should be placed face-down in landfills; shot in the face upon opening doors; sent to Zyklon showers; raped in various ways; put in woodchippers; beaten with various implements; and placed in gas chambers.
My comments have been censored (removed or stifled); the conservatives' comments remain undisturbed in the Volokh Conspiracy archives.
I find that record persuasive with respect to partisan, hypocritical (from an ostensible champion of free speech and self-described "often libertarian") censorship. I welcome your observations in this context.
Thank you.
Leo's point is you appear to have traded commentary for trolling. Is he wrong, Arthur? I have read a number of your non-trolling posts; you are an intelligent man. That is obvious.
I would rather read what you truly think (seriously) and your reasoning why you think that way. You have a lifetime of valuable experience to share.
Again, Arthur, I stipulate to the details. You still haven't proven bias or hypocrisy. Practically every VC commenter I've seen over the years, left or right, who was under threat of ban, offered the same defense: "Look at that guy, so much worse than I am, yet you leave him alone. You only pick on me because I'm [liberal/conservative]." It's like trying to talk your way out of speeding ticket by pointing at cars that weren't pulled over.
That's not how it works. No rules enforcer can promise perfect consistency, and Eugene disclaims it repeatedly. Those of us who have been around here long enough have see commenters across the ideological spectrum censored and/or banned, and commenters across the spectrum get away with outrageous violations of the rules and of civility generally. My 15 year eye test tells me VC moderation was among the most even-handed when Eugene and Orin did it aggressively, and it remains so now that Eugene leaves the threads barely moderated at all.
The most damning proof of that, and refutation of your argument, is that Eugene continues to let you comment here despite your content nowadays consisting almost entirely of insults to the proprietor and his main audience. Show me another blog supposedly enforcing viewpoint bias on either side that does that.
None of those people are "bigots," even if you happen to disagree with them (and even if you're correct here). You should really learn the difference.
Notably, your incessant references to the race and sex of the bloggers here actually comes a bit closer...but still, I'll exercise more restraint.
Saying that Asians don't carry the spirit of liberty in their breast like other nationalities do is actually pretty bigoted.
Maybe what is bigoted assuming that all people share your values, regardless of their actual beliefs and culture?
Prof. Wax's words establish that she is a bigot.
Cheerio's words establish that Cheerio is at least bigot-curious, an appeaser of bigots and bigotry.
A great accomplishment of our liberal-libertarian mainstream is that our vestigial bigots -- poorly educated racists, superstitious gay-bashers, obsolete misogynists, selfish xenophobes, old-timey anti-Semites, downscale Muslim-haters, disaffected clingers, "traditional values" Republicans and conservatives -- no longer wish to be known as bigots in modern America, at least not publicly.
Carry on, clingers. So far as your stale, ugly right-wing thinking could carry anyone in today's improving America, that is.
Your incessant bigotry and condescension knows no bounds.
Mr. Kirkland: You keep on talking about white males in a negative way. Based on negative generalizations and stereotypes in your head.
It seems like you think you are immune to the application of the principles you advocate for. There is a word for that. That word is hypocrisy.
I have shifted on this issue. I believe that we should talk to people with offensive views rather than trying to shame them. There is a certain fear that rational discourse is not enough on the left, nowadays.
Powerful letter. Also I love Glenn Loury. Haven't been following all the rest of this "Wax" stuff.
That guy is either the dumbest person in the world because he has been double super secret cancelled like five times already because of this letter or the smartest person in the world because once he gets cancelled sixteen times, then dug up, and cancelled again, every right wing think tank law advocacy group will want to hire him.
Maybe he's angling for one of those lucrative 'conservative legal blogger' gigs.
Or maybe cancel culture isn't much of a thing in reality.
You have absolutely no self awareness do you Sarc?
So you don't think he's going to get cancelled by the liberal leviathan?
Well, looks like campus free speech is safer than we thought!
I can guarantee you this guy has already been cancelled, re-cancelled, and is set to be cancelled again tomorrow for good measure. And if you think cancel culture isn't real I got an igloo on some nice solid not swamp land in Florida to sell you...
This guy is a Federalist Societeer at a top law school. He will have his pick of taxpayer-funded positions from judges operating in the clingerverse.
And you are a bigoted hate filled filled democrat party gadfly from "Filthadelphia ".
Get an education, clinger. Start with standard English, focusing on elimination of illiteracy. Backwater religious schooling doesn't count.
He’s gonna be fine. Covington summer associate according to Google. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a nice clerkship coming up too.
"nice clerkship coming up too."
Or did.....
I mean, in the context of a campaign to get Amy Wax fired, that's an odd comment to make.
She'll land fine. Inconvenience culture more like.
I suppose the key is whether attempted cancellation counts as cancellation.
Yeah, that's what I say when the police stop a black man and hassle him for something they would ignore if a white man did it. Sure, it's an inconvenience, but they didn't do him any serious harm. Why are liberals always whining about differential treatment when usually it's just an inconvenience, not worth anyone's concern? Tough-minded real men like Sarcastro and I ignore those sorts of complaints.
Stop and frisk is only "inconvenient" especially if you don't have anything illegal on you for the cops to find. Probably feel slightly different about this form of "inconvenience" though, don't you?
If you want to compare actual white supremacy to being black, that's....a choice.
"Inconvenience culture".
If you wanted to prove that you lack self awareness, you've accomplished it.
It may just be an "inconvenience" for those with a certain level of financial security...but for many average people, it takes their livelihoods.
How often to average people get fired for their views?
Enough that California passed a law against it.
Actually, pretty often. Here's a recent example:
https://kriegman.substack.com/p/post-leading-to-termination-blm-falsehoods
My point is not that I love the current trend of social media feeding frenzies.
My point is that no one is actually getting cancelled.
I think cancel culture is a thing in reality. How big of a thing? I don't know. But I believe it is becoming a bigger problem than it used to be.
And recall, the fear of cancellation (whether that fear is justified) can lead to censorship.
Wikipedia has a small collection of her most controversial statements. After reading them, I don't see what this person might contribute on the topic of culture and race that luminaries like Trump and Thurmond haven't already expressed.
A good advocate. The kind that I'd like to represent me if I ever attracted the negative attention of -- well, you know.
My 'Wax has never advocated for any kind of ethnostate' T-shirt is making a lot of people ask questions answered by my T-shirt.
President of the Federalist Society, natch.
http://www.pennfedsoc.org/
Trying to tax Penn's endowment and real estate would be more productive.
Someone push an update to Bob, he's failing the Turing test again.
Caught in some kind of reflexive posting loop whenever a school is involved in a post.
Just the ones with big, taxpayer subsidized endowments.
A page of tax law is worth many volumes of letters to editors and thousands of free speech groups.
Person with no clout writes a silly letter to Penn Law, which, quite sensibly, is ignoring it. Posturing weenie writes a silly letter to said cloutless nobody. JB broadcasts said posturing weenie's silly letter. Pearl-clutching about cancellation ensues.
Care to share what was silly about the letter?
Everything? The part where he didn’t really engage with what she said or why it might be particularly offensive to Councilman Oh. The part where he’s like: well sure she’s said bad things about Black people but a Black guy has her on his show, so that’s cool! The part where the best thing he can think of to defense her ideology is “she has never advocated for an ethno-state.” The part where he kind of glosses over WHY no one has to take her classes at Penn. The part where he identifies himself as “Eurasian” in an apparent bid to identify with the recipient. The part where he’s like: “Heck, her ideas are sometimes incorrect” which is a very silly understatement if he’s talking about her racist ideas. Oh and the weirdo random references to “blue check” Twitter.
" the weirdo random references to “blue check” Twitter "
This fledgling Federalist Societeer is learning to flash wingnut gang signals, angling for clingerverse street cred with the racists.
Gotta watch out for those blue checks like….The Federalist Society….and Josh Blackman.
Gotta watch out for sarcastic derogatory fake monikers like "reverend " with anti religious bigots
Do you dislike the Congregation Of Exalted Reason, you gullible, half-educated rube? Which flavor of childish, right-wing superstition do you prefer?
Yah, I'll wait for CJColucci to respond. Your teenage level emoting is tiresome, I'm not sure why I haven't muted you before but that problem is now solved.
So you don’t really have a retort to all the silliness I identified, got it.
"I mean, sure, she hates minorities — but only because they vote the wrong way, not because of the color of their skin. So it's all good."
"well sure she’s said bad things about Black people but a Black guy has her on his show, so that’s cool"
I have seen people say bad things about white males. I do think that is "cool" because I would rather know what people are really thinking so that their views can be debated.
There is an ostrich-like quality to the pro-censorship left. "If I don't hear the unpleasant thought spoken, it doesn't exist."
No. Others will take up the work.
So just vapid posturing and social signalling on your part. Got it.
No, just lazy. I have only so much energy to say what I want to say, and don't feel the need to respond to demands that I address something else entirely.
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
I’m glad Penn is trying to help Wax get her mind right.
" Students at Penn who wish to learn from Professor Wax's expertise in areas like neuroscience and legal remedies tremble at the thought of classmates finding out they are taking her course. People are afraid to be seen walking into her classroom for fear that they will be isolated and vilified. "
Most people in modern America don't like and prefer not to associate with bigots and bigotry. This is particularly true among educated, reasoning, accomplished audiences residing in modern, advanced communities. It appears this surprises and/or bothers a bigot-in-training and right-wing malcontent who chose a strong liberal-libertarian campus.
"tremble" - "fear" - "isolated" - "vilified"
Even if your ideological perspectives are correct and theirs aren't, nobody should want a society where this is how people treat each other.
It's actually even more wrong than *any* incorrect belief, plus it's counterproductive to boot.
I'd be skeptical that people actually tremble in fear or decline to take Wax's specialty courses because they think will be ostracized. But if there are such snowflakes, they're heading for the wrong profession.
You express your bigotry in virtually every comment or post. Using your logic, you must be very lonely.
If someone has incorrect views on race, why not debate them? See where those views come from?
There is a lack of curiosity here. And a fear of being "tainted" or something. It is nearly religious... Rev.
What exactly is there to look into further? Prof. Wax's comments are on YouTube. Is there some hidden meaning that those of us outside of Penn are missing? And if so, shouldn't Mr. Makarov have pointed that out?
I like that he describes himself as "Eurasian." Does that mean he's Russian, or from one of the stans?
But why does that matter to him, after all?
" But why does that matter to him, after all? "
Maybe he's kicking himself because someone beat him to the 'traphouse with fried chicken' route to a higher profile in the Federalist Society?
Hey, Kirkland lies again. Must be a day ending in y. Why don't you invent another fake claim about having been censored?
The remarkable point is not that you are so wrong about the censorship and traphouse points but that you can type anything at all with your sycophantic nose so far up the proprietor's butt.
I understand that our vestigial clingers might wish to huddle together for warmth as modern America marginalizes them, but . . .
"Fried chicken at a trap house " would appear to be a racist trope. Very similar to the Masters Golf Tournament champion dinner when a golfer joked about Tiger Woods picking fried chicken for the entre.
Your intolerance is catching up with you.
as regina george would say... so, you agree! you think you're really racist
Another one of the "people who need to be seeing" your writing, Josh?
Personally, if I wanted to mentor/encourage sycophantic law students eager to engage in the culture war, I might offer them some advice on writing more concisely to make their point, and to avoid off-putting and unnecessarily inflammatory rhetoric, sly equivocations signaling bad faith, or other writing tics that - while satisfying to employ - do not reflect well on the author or his arguments.
But that would require work and thought, Josh, and we all know you're just a lazy polemicist pied-pipering these unfortunate victims of Republican brain-rot into dead-end judicial clerkships, think-tank internships, and backwater law schools. You can't be bothered to take time from your busy CV-padding schedule to help these students better achieve their ends - nope!
Is this a typical 3L student? I’m not impressed by the grammar, syntax, logic, and punctuation errors.
I am persuaded by his plea, though.
I've never heard an actual human describe themselves as "Eurasian". I presume he is from one of the Stans or maybe Siberia?
Survey says: Clingerstan.
I have come across it in British writing to mean mixed-race Asians -- the exotic and beautiful half-French, half-Vietnamese character is often described as "Eurasian."
I guess we'll see just how 'secure' tenure really is. I'll look for Whittington's post tomorrow on the threat to academic freedom.
Councilman Oh's letter sort of reads like: Hey, nice university you have there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
I'm a recent Penn Law alum who has taken classes with Amy Wax. I often disagreed with her, and sometimes I found her views mildly offensive. Nevertheless, she is a great professor, a warm and funny person, and I learned an immense amount from her. I feel it's worth mentioning that Professor Wax blind graded final assignments, so it was literally impossible for her to discriminate against particular students based on their identity or anything else. If Penn is going to cull its faculty ranks it shouldn't start with one of the only people capable of teaching a difficult, intellectually stimulating class. Instead, they might turn their attention to one of the many professors teaching "XYZ and the law" type courses, handing out As to whichever students most closely parrot their views in seminar papers. I find these individuals to be much more threatening to Penn Law's pedagogical mission than Professor Wax.