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Emory Law School Student Government Refuses to Recognize an Emory Free Speech Forum Student Group,
citing the "harm that could result from ... discussions," especially about "race and gender."
Here's part of the justification for the denial (see p. 10) from the student government, known as the Student Bar Association or SBA:
Finally, due to the nature of this group we are concerned with the lack of mechanisms in place to ensure respectful discourse and engagement. Without safeguards in place, such as a moderator or mediator, these discussions will likely give rise to a precarious environment—one where the conversation might very easily devolve.
In particular, it is disingenuous to suggest that certain topics of discussion you considered, such as race and gender, can be pondered and debated in a relaxed atmosphere when these issues directly affect and harm your peers' lives in demonstrable and quantitative ways. As brought up during our meeting, there is nothing to prevent you from having these conversations in the casual manner you envision. The SBA is hesitant to issue a charter when there are no apparent safeguards in place to prevent potential and real harm that could result from these discussions while under the umbrella of SBA-chartered organizations.
Yet of course other chartered student groups aren't required to have "safeguards" or "moderator[s] or mediator[s]" for their events, whatever "topics of discussion" those groups offer. It seems clear that the SBA's rationale stems from the student government officials' concern about particular viewpoints that they expect the group to include on those topics; but, as today's statement by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education notes,
SBA's denial of a student group based on its viewpoint contradicts Emory's Respect for Open Expression Policy, which affirms "an environment where the open expression of ideas and open, vigorous debate and speech are valued, promoted, and encouraged." The SBA also blatantly [flouts] Emory's commitment to "not deny recognition to an organization because of disagreement with its mission or the viewpoints that it represents." Without recognition, a student group cannot reserve university space, request funds from the SBA, or function as a viable campus organization.
FIRE's letter to the Dean of Emory Law also points out (n.3) that the "SBA's recognition authority is derived from the Student Government Association, which in turn derives its authority from the university and promises students freedom of expression."
The SBA also argued that the group's coverage would duplicate that of other groups:
The purpose and goals of your organization overlap considerably with the purpose and goals of several other existing organizations on campus, and we encourage you to collaborate with them to host the discussions you brought up in your presentation. If the discussions you envision for your group cover a wide array of topics, we suggest you reach out to the several Emory Law Practice Societies.
Emory's Respect for Open Expression Policy has continuously promoted the free speech values you mentioned in your presentation, and the university provides Open Expression Initiatives campus-wide. Because of this well-established promotion of free speech values across Emory school, we fail to see a need for this particular club to be chartered and subsequently funded by SBA.
We recognize the importance of promoting free speech, and we believe that Emory already fosters open dialogue in many active ways. We encourage you to reach out and collaborate with existing student organizations that share a great interest in free speech. While we are unsure how your organization's mission will be furthered meaningfully with a charter from SBA, we encourage you to continue to meet to discuss.
But that strikes me as hard to justify; to quote FIRE's letter,
It strains credulity to assert that the EFSF substantially overlaps with any existing campus group. The two Emory Law student groups mentioned by the SBA when discussing the EFSF, the Federalist Society and the American Constitution Society, have vastly different purposes from the EFSF's nonpartisan, neutral, and narrow mission of "fostering critical discourse and open dialogue surrounding important issues in law and society." The Emory Law Federalist Society chapter's mission reflects its "conservative and libertarian" objectives, and provides that its "core principles are (1) that the state exists to preserve freedom, (2) that the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution, and (3) that it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be."
The American Constitution Society chapter's mission is similarly political, seeking to "foster[] a new generation of progressive leadership in the law." That the EFSF might draw threads from both of these perspectives, as part of its pursuit of respectful discourse and engagement of topics that the EFSF selects, does not mean that the EFSF "substantially overlaps" by necessity (or at all) with the subject matter(s) encompassed by the groups the SBA cited.
Nor does the EFSF duplicate the work of the Practice Societies mentioned by the SBA, which instead focus on "plan[ning] networking and professional development events focused around specific practice areas" and "bridg[ing] the academic realm and the real world of practice." The SBA fails to explain how a group devoted to discussion overlaps with university professional development initiatives.
Additionally, the SBA avers that the EFSF's "free speech values" are already "well-established" and "continuously promoted" by Emory's Respect for Open Expression Policy and Open Expression Initiatives, yet fails to elaborate on how a student group's goal of fostering open debate by actively hosting speakers and discussion-based events is redundant of university policy protecting expressive rights. Sharing the same values as university initiatives is far from a legitimate reason to withhold allocation of scarce institutional resources, and cannot justify denying recognition to a student group.
Finally, among the more than 60 organizations recognized by the SBA, there are already several overlapping organizations, such as the multiple groups dedicated to trial practice, LGBT issues, and international students. This suggests that the SBA's similarity-of-purpose rationale is a pretextual justification for the SBA's viewpoint-based rejection of the EFSF.
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Emory is a private university.
"Emory strives to create a community characterized by respectful and mutually supportive interaction among faculty, students, staff, and the wider world."
" the university aims to imbue scholarship at Emory with a commitment to humane teaching and mentorship and a respectful interaction among faculty, students, and staff"
"Nurturing and celebrating an unusual degree of collegiality and community"
"Emory seeks to uphold the dignity and rights of all persons through fair treatment, honest dealing, and respect. Emory is committed to creating an environment of work, teaching, living, and learning that enables all persons to strive toward their highest potential."
"As an organization comprising thousands of persons in a shared enterprise, Emory fosters collegiality in order to advance our mission of teaching, research, service, and health care. While frictions often may emerge, we seek to resolve conflict in a spirit of mutual respect through the active practice of community."
"By our participation in the Emory community, each of us assumes responsibility for our actions and will be held accountable for them. Similarly, members of our community are responsible for holding each other and the university to these ethical principles. Members of the Emory community are expected to abide by these principles, regardless of the letter of the law."
https://president.emory.edu/mission/index.html
"Emory is a private university."
Probably explains why the post doesn't mention the first amendment.
So this is a 'false advertisement' thing? I don't see them much here...
Could be 'false advertising' but more like 'breach of contract'.
Not sure why you say you "don't see them much here", though. FIRE regularly takes on private institutions that fail to live up to their promises and Prof Volokh has covered many of those cases in articles here.
FIRE confronts certain private institutions. It is quite selective concerning which "promises" it contends institutions should vindicate.
Look out! The goalpost doesn't have wheels and is tipping!
They are selective in that they are focused on protecting freedom of speech, yes. Your snide implication that they bias that protection based on whether the institution is "conservative", however, is just false. If a private institution promises academic freedom then fails to live up to that promise (or if it's a public institution obligated to obey the 1st Amendment), FIRE will likely pursue the case. If, on the other hand, it's a private institution which made no such promise, then that is a matter of presumably-informed consumer choice.
There are some colleges, both conservative and liberal, who do not want to allow full academic freedom - and are clear about saying so. I think they are wrong (and I suspect FIRE does, too) but as long as they are honest about it, my commitment to freedom requires that I tolerate their mistake. My commitment to freedom does not, however, require that I tolerate an institution that promises one thing but delivers another.
FIRE is selective in that its issues unwarranted passes to conservative-controlled institutions (and thereby flatters conservative donors who stoke the FIRE).
FIRE aggressively respects carve-outs claimed by superstition-steeped, censorship-shackled right-wing schools while ignoring similar exceptions associated with strong, modern, reasoning, liberal-libertarian mainstream schools.
FIRE is among a group of right-wing separatist organizations -- there's a conservative facsimile of AARP, a conservative facsimile of ACLU, etc. -- that service disaffected conservative culture war casualties and attempt to create the impression that conservatism is still competitive in America's marketplace of ideas.
Or it is a criticism thing. As a private university, Emory is free to impose whatever daffy standards it wishes. And as a private organization, FIRE is free to criticize their daffiness.
Emory policies expressly say that it strongly protects free speech, as the FIRE letter notes. You can read the whole policy at https://emory.ellucid.com/documents/view/19648?security=c6f36f9de43a2cd25fc99614d09384f649a313cf .
Emory says a number of other things you and FIRE prefer to ignore, for partisan fun and profit.
The "right" kind of free speech, mind you.
Do you prefer the "free speech" policies and practices of conservative-controlled campuses?
Or do you prefer this blog's selective, misleading, partisan ankle-nippery?
Emery's endowment was $7.94 billion in the 2020 fiscal year
Tax it and their Atlanta land holdings. No college needs that much money.
I'm sure Bob feels the same about corporations and, heck, why bother?
Bob's second- or third-rate education, and modest backwater circumstances at an advanced age, incline him to resent strong educational institutions and successful people living in modern, advanced communities.
(For profit) Corporations and their land holdings are taxed.
Bob from Ohio....I would not tax the endowment. However, I think I would try to make a case for severely limiting or eliminating federal student loan dollars going there. With an 8B endowment, no need for a government subsidy.
Right-wing hayseeds who prefer superstition to education are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Carry on, clingers. We'll let you know how far and how long.
Show me someone that either doesn't understand or respect free speech, or probably both.
"They're a private ."
" Show me someone that either doesn't understand or respect free speech "
Nearly every decision-maker on conservative-controlled campuses in America.
You're welcome.
As usual, you neither fixed or contributed anything worthwhile.
You're simply a troll that insists everyone join him as he smells his own farts.
"Emory is a private university."
Do they accept student loans or any research grants?
The Citadel showed how much good being private is when you accept government monies.
Most censorship-shackled conservative schools accept student loan funds.
Is there a substantive point hiding somewhere in your comment?
"Here's part of the justification for the denial (see p. 10) from the student government"
Link seems to only take me to FIRE letter...
...to which the SBA letter is appended.
OK, thanks
Page 10 of that letter contains the original denial.
So the problem with the free speech organization is that it supports a forum that utilizes the principles of free speech....got it...
When I first read this I thought it was a joke. I should have known better.
Nobody is pointing out the REAL flaw in Emory's rejection: basing on free speech harming "your peers' lives in demonstrable and quantitative ways".
The "harms" that might result from free speech are subjective and emotional, not quantitative and demonstrable. People suffering such "harms" need to a) ignore the speech b) toughen the fuck up.
This pretence that others HAVE TO respect your emotional well being and tiptoe around your feels is the intellectual cowflop that underlies all of such suppression of speech, and nobody ever says "No, sorry, but fuck you. What you are claiming is not true."
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Thank you. "Speech may hurt feelings, and that cannot be allowed."
This isn't dealing with deliberate harrassment and mean speech. This is Orwellian dictatorship behavior, claiming there are things The People cannot handle witbout the government there to provide context and control access.
It's exactly the proffered reason the Egyptian military spouted some years back, banning CNN and other western news from direct access by their people.
Their mission duplication of other societies seems at odds with them doing a unique harm. One or the other, boys; one or the other.
Until just now I thought Emory had a top-tier law school.
Erect a statue of Trigglypuff on their campus.
Relax, Shamie . . . right-wingers still have Liberty, Ave Maria, Regent, and at least part of South Texas College Of Law Houston to exhibit and preserve conservative standards of legal academic excellence.
Volokh Conspiracy readers will never know what Artie Ray Lee Wayne Jim-Bob Kirkland might have written concerning this subject, because Prof. Eugene Volokh censored Mr. Kirkland -- with prejudice; a ban -- for making fun of conservatives at this site a bit too deftly for the professor's partisan taste.
Prof. Volokh was entitled to ban a commenter for any or no reason, but that hypocritical and cowardly act makes him a poor candidate to criticize Emory University (or anyone else) for purported acts of censorship.
Prof. Volokh's partisan, viewpoint-driven censorship has also involved the lesser censorship of particular words or phrases that make fun of conservatives or criticize conservatives. (Yet he regularly permits conservatives' comments that call for liberals to be gassed; placed face-down in landfills; shot in the face upon opening doors; raped; sent to Zyklon showers, etc.)
That Prof. Volokh considers himself to be in any position to offer pointers to Emory University with respect to freedom of expression -- especially with respect to a private forum -- is inexplicable, particularly to anyone familiar with his record.
Nobody believes you.
Prof. Volokh is familiar with what has occurred. He should correct me if I am wrong about the examples of censorship I have described in detail.
Your continuing sycophantic support for your fellow clingers is noted and dismissed, Mr. Nieporent.
Prof. Volokh appears to have abandoned you at a moment of peak sycophancy, Mr. Nieporent.
Ouch.
Very ouch.
If the good Prof were in the business of banning people then he probably would have done so to you years ago. You post the same bigoted dribble (couched as being a tolerant progressive) here every single day but yet still here you are....
If Prof. Volokh did not ban anyone, he should call me to account for the lie.
If Prof. Volokh does not censor certain words (at least when used to criticize or make fun of conservatives), he should call me to account for those lies, too.
Otherwise, I credit Prof. Volokh amply for his honesty, particularly when it disappoints his fans.
The planted false axiom: anyone here cares.
Occam's razor tells you that indifference and boredom are what drives reactions to you.
Just as disaffected desperation drives this entire blog, from its (mostly) ankle-biting posts to its delusional, defeated, bigoted commenters.
In the last century, when vinyl records were state of the art, and one got scratched so much that it kept repeating the same thing over and over again, we would just throw it out.
Hence the now-quaint phrase, broken record.
One-half to two-thirds of the Volokh Conspiracy's posts are predictably repetitive partisan polemics. If you didn't enjoy broken records, you wouldn't be here.
That is a pretty low rate compared to other sites, tbh.
Arthur, you sound pissed at Profesor Volokh. Resentment is just not a healthy thing to be carrying around.
Why not tell VC Readership exactly what got you in hot water with Professor Volokh, leaving out no context. You hint at censorship, being banned, and express resentment about it. Okay...
So what happened? Clinger minds want to know. 🙂
[I just want to say that your harping about being 'banned' by Professor Volokh is your second least endearing quality - so out with it and start the healing process]
Eugene has acknowledged from time to time that he has forbidden Arthur from using certain words here. The nature of the dispute would seem to preclude Arthur from providing too much detail about it. It would not surprise me if he also had a parody/sock that Eugene may have banned at some point. I don't know the full history - seems to go back a ways.
Not that I don't find Arthur's constant pestering to be rather tiresome, myself.
I've had a comment or two "disappeared" from Eugene's posts, from time to time. It happens so infrequently that I don't even remember exactly why it might have been done, though.
No preclusion. I was instructed to stop posting the parody of Artie Ray Lee Wayne Jim-Bob Kirkland (and I have done so).
I was instructed to stop using a word that rhymes with wussy and is another term for a cat or a pansy.
Several comments that contained "c_p succ_r" vanished; Prof. Volokh later informed me he had removed the comments and that I should no longer use that term.
I was told not to use the term "sl_ck-j_wed" to describe conservatives any more.
There might have been another incident or two of censorship, but I can't recall precisely -- and those are the only examples regarding which I have an email record without looking-- so I will leave it at this.
If I have misstated anything with respect to Prof. Volokh's repeated, partisan, viewpoint-driven censorship, I hope he will correct the record . . . or, at least, begin an examination of the relevant emails (and a few comments in which Prof. Volokh has expressly acknowledged the censorship).
(This entire blog consists of right-wing culture war losers harping about it and nipping at the ankles of the liberal-libertarian mainstream of modern America. The target audience of this White, male, right-wing blog craves harping. It helps get them through another deplorable day of defeat and disaffectedness in America's can't-keep-up backwaters while awaiting replacement.)
So you crossed the line and got smacked down for it.
Arthur, I really think you ought to let that trauma go. It is not healthy for you.
I will continue to describe the Volokh Conspiracy's hypocrisy and shabby partisanship when this blog nips at the ankles of mainstream institutions with claims of championing free expression.
If you don't like it, ask the proprietor to censor me. He's done it before, for partisan reasons. Maybe he will humor you.
I am reminded of the advice, "Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself." It is not entirely apt here inasmuch as I do not regard you as an "enemy" though we have disagreed sharply on at least a couple of topic over the course of a good many years now on these boards. Indeed, as so much has shifted farther to the right than I ever imagined possible, and there seems to be much less diversity of opinion among commenters than there once was, many centrists and lefties having dropped out over time, that I have come to appreciate your participation more.
Now in that spirit, I recommend that you ask yourself why you post here? Is it to exercise your mental faculties? To vent? To persuade others to your cause(s)? What? Then when you have answered that question for yourself, ask if yoursef if the perseverative expression of embitterment over what you see as unfair treatment by our host, Eugene, serves any purpose you have. It seems unlikely that it does.
Speaking of prodigal sons....
While recently binge-watching The Crown, I thought of neurodoc and wondered, what are his views on the relative merits of proper name illeists, such as himself, and indefinite pronoun (specifically, "One") illeists, such as Her Majesty The Queen?
It's a marketplace of ideas. Prof. Volokh is trying to persuade people that right-wing positions are sound, that liberal-libertarian institutions muzzle expression, that John Eastman and Ted Cruz are good candidates for public office, and the like.
I point out that he's a hypocrite who attracts and lathers an audience of bigots and disaffected culture war casualties. If this inclines the audience to look past the misappropriated franchises (UCLA, Georgetown, libertarianism, etc.) and reject the partisan right-wing polemics, that improves the public debates.
Even if no one else appreciates my contributions, I suspect the leaders at the law schools of UCLA, Georgetown, and a few other schools do.
Even if your claim that he's a hypocrite were true, rather than based on your obvious fabrications, it would of course be nothing more than ad hominem.
Also, as to misappropriating, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones; Mr. "liberal-libertarian" shtick.
In other words, “You can only discuss things we approve of.”
So . . . same standard as the Volokh Conspiracy imposes?
Emory is a f'ing joke. As a Georgia Tech Grad "emoriods" were usually far lefties smoking pot all day liberal art majors. The school had a large jewish population and the joke was these were the ones who didn't get into Duke. F the place...it is a joke
Bragging that your school doesn't have as many Jews as a rival may not be the flex you think it is.
That wasn't where I was going..I was sharing the joke that emory had the "dumb" jews...plenty of jews and catholics and muslims and other religions at Tech. And it's probably a better representation of America than Emory or Duke or any of the Ivy League Schools that seem. I can attest unlike Harvard where Catholics are obviously discriminated in admissions, Tech was about the individual..if you could get in (and then do the work..it was a very hard place to get a degree), they didn't care if you were from Mars.....no easy bullshit majors there.
I have no trouble believing that graduating Georgia Tech is too difficult for many of the students it admits.
Does this White, male, old-timey, right-wing blog generate an audience that compares schools by the number of Jews on campus . . . or merely attract such an audience?
Carry on, clingers.
Emory is ranked roughly 20 among national universities, Georgia Tech roughly 40th.
I would wager that an Emory graduate would know the "Grad" in "Georgia Tech grad" is not capitalized; that level of literacy is not always associated with a Georgia Tech degree.
Other than that, great comment!
I think you can usually find quite a lot of GA Tech term papers in the south Atlanta landfill. I hear quite a lot of coeds use that instead of Cliff Notes
Good tip . . . I'll pass it along to D-Day and Bluto.
I am a liberal primarily because of my fierce belief in civil liberties. But I must say I absolutely abhor these cancellations of any speakers on campuses. If properly invited, regardless how obnoxious they may be, let them be heard.
I'm on this blog not just for the legal chatter, but because |I have great need to understand the strange conservative mind of today. I need to hear what is said here. Any other conservative site right now is just a cesspool of conflict and hate.
Your eagerness to believe hype and condemn people tells us you aren't really here to understand.
Ben_ you hold on to a grievance like it was money. This is the new hobie now...not last week's hobie (as far as you know). My point is at least we're not calling each other pedophiles or orangutans or whatever. Now apologize please.
Universities are places for the free exchange and examination of ideas. But that does not mean that just any ol' ideologue deserves a shot. You wouldn't invite a drugged-out aged hippie to give a lecture on the connection of all things, and you wouldn't invite Ben Shapiro to talk about what's wrong with America today.
It's absolutely appropriate for universities to act as "gatekeepers," not for the range of "acceptable opinion," but for proponents who have something serious to offer in good faith. There's a whole cottage industry now of grievance-peddlers on the right who are eager to swallow up as much college cash as they can trading in their claptrap. Universities shouldn't be funding them.
Except that curation based on expertise is pretty much never the situation in the cases pursued by FIRE or discussed on this blog. Contrary to the wording in your second paragraph, universities (or, as in this case, student governments) are frequently attempting to filter solely based on "acceptable opinion".
Your claim about a right-wing grievance industry makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Except that curation based on expertise is pretty much never the situation in the cases pursued by FIRE or discussed on this blog.
No - indeed, Eugene and FIRE are careful to frame the issue as being about "viewpoint discrimination." Strangely, the FIRE letter provides only cursory support for the claim that the SBA's rejection of EFSF's charter application is based on the EFSF's "viewpoint," in a passing reference to "speakers" to which the SBA objected.
Despite having a copy of the meeting's minutes, FIRE does not specify who these speakers might be or why objecting to them amounts to a viewpoint-based rejection of an "ideology." One has to surmise, then, that revealing their identity in a public release would undercut sympathy for their claims. Instead, FIRE attempts to conflate the SBA's concern that discussions would become unruly and harmful if not otherwise "moderated" as a rejection of EFSF's "ideology" in favor of "fostering critical discourse and open dialogue."
The only world in which a concern over the quality of debate is tantamount to a concern over an "ideology" is a conservative one - where disruptive, offensive, and specious claims and counterproductive, distracting arguments are an end in and of themselves. So, FIRE is telling on itself here. EFSF apparently cares less about the outcomes of its sponsored discussions than the fights themselves.
So, sure - believe FIRE's intentionally misleading framing, if you like. But more often than not, "curation based on expertise" is central to what these universities are doing.
Does it? What do you think the FoxNews evening line-up is all about? What do you think animates Trump's support? What do you think TPUSA is doing? Characterize it however you like - grievance over an "elite" political class that has long disregarded the interests of their constituents, or grievance over a long-term demographic shift that is undermining the political power of White, Christian men - but there are plenty of people making money right now by telling White, Christian men that the world is against them, and they need to do something about it before it's too late.
FIRE is a joke, hope that explains it for you.
True, but then you're saying we need gatekeepers to decide who is legit. I don't like the sound of that either. If ABC fraternity wants to sponsor Dave Chappelle to come and tell gay-bashing jokes...let them. If XYZ fraternity wants to resurrect George Carlin to tell conservative-bashing jokes...let them
I think a fraternity should be able to host any comic it may happen to want to host, on its own dime. If they're offensive, no big deal.
I don't think that student government needs to feel pressured to channel money to rabble-rousers whose sole purpose in coming to campus is to raise their profile or cause an uproar that can be milked for ratings on FoxNews.
" and you wouldn't invite Ben Shapiro to talk about what's wrong with America today "
I suspect Shapiro earns a handy sum from the student funds of certain institutions.
I’m sure. Sponsored, no doubt, by students with an earnest desire to have an open and frank debate about when it’s time to start using the guns.
I am not sure what happened to the liberals. I previously have defended concepts such as micro aggressions on that basis of encouraging people to try to be more aware of the emotional impact of their words, but I never realized how “fragile” these liberal students really considered themselves, like precious little flowers that will melt in the presence of any unpleasant thought or idea. I now realize that I was defending an idea that implied emotional fragility and an entitlement mentality.
Frankly, these generation Z liberals need to grow a pair instead of expecting that every debate or discussion will include only ideas that are politically correct. Generation Z liberals (or progressives) aren’t as emotionally fragile and frankly pathetic as they make themselves out to be. The desire to be coddled rather than intellectually challenged is frankly lazy and narcissistic. The idea that those with “incorrect” views must be canceled arises out of deep insecurity and narcissism. If you are so confident in your own ideas, you shouldn’t need to cancel people who express a different point if view, no matter how offensive you believe their views are.
We have already learned these lessons in our history. Our nation was founded on the principle of freedom of conscience. The idea that no one is so superior to you that they can tell you what to believe. Of course, there has always been intolerance to dissent within particular communities, but the First Amendments principle of Freedom of Religion (which really is about freedom of conscience and freedom to make up your own mind, even in an area if where many people thought incorrect beliefs were like a cancer that could lead to eternal damnation) protects our right to not only make up our own mind, but to advocate for our ideas and beliefs too.
Apparently, the Gen Y liberal has a problem with this. Fearing that if they hear an unpleasant idea, they will suffer an irreparable emotional injury. And with this weak idea, they really have rendered themselves emotionally unresilient and emotionally weak. In the process, they are also rendering themselves unable to argue or think properly.
I strongly reject these coddled and entitled liberal/progressive brats. They need to grow up rather than being obnoxious and pathetic menaces to free thought and free expression.
What started as arguably reasonable attempts to stop repeated, mean harrassment, disrupting in the work place and university, emphasis on the disruption, as a workaround to the absolutist nature of the First Amendment, has evolved.
If the only way you can use the power of government to silence others is to be emotionally devastated, then surprise, every litte slight becomes that.
And then, honest talk about that becomes a sensitive subject, then harrassment in and of itself.
I'd like every person claiming they feel attacked to be hooked to an EEG, and if the danger parts of their brain are not lit up like a Christmas tree, indicating actual psychological distress, a monkey shall fling poop into their face.
And if it does light up, they get expelled on the grounds that they lack the mental fortitude necessary to pursue an education.
Another anecdote/ example of " intolerance in the name of tolerance ". Intolerance as a " means " is not an acceptable method for reaching a goal. It's a " justification " of authoritarian mob control.
Since I have no independent way of knowing what EFSF was seeking to do, or why it was looking for SBA sanction, I can only speculate. Due to the guest spots offered to FIRE employees on the VC, I know that I can no longer trust FIRE's characterizations at face value.
But it seems to me, reading between the lines here, that the transparent purpose of the EFSF was to give a platform at Emory's law school to speakers who might otherwise have no reason to be invited, in order to discuss controversial topics that would otherwise have no reason to be discussed, in a way intentionally calculated to divide students and cause an embarrassing uproar. That being the case, I see no particular problem with SBA declining to charter the group. I would be embarrassed if my law school became a platform for that kind of thing.
I do not really understand why conservatives insist on being evaluated on good-faith terms, like they are just innocently looking to engage in "free speech," when they intentionally equivocate in this way over their true motives. There should be no problem with - and I have no problem with - a "free speech forum" that is intended to provide an opportunity to discuss political issues unbound by the "rules" of discourse that apply on both the left and right. But by all appearances it appears the EFSF would prefer to discuss things like race and gender - by which I can only surmise, whether affirmative action hurts Blacks and whether gender is biologically innate, among other things - which is to say, red-meat "culture war" issues on which there are widely opposed opinions and little in the way of substance to debate. They are looking to start fights, not engage in intelligent discourse. Banish them to where they keep the campus preachers, then.
But I assume you are totally okay with BLM or LGBTQxyz related student groups that are created to discuss things like race and gender - which is to say, red-meat "culture war" issues on which there are widely opposed opinions and little in the way of substance to debate.
Are you admitting that EFSF could probably be thought of as an anti-BLM and anti-LGBT group? Because I would agree that opposing the charter for such groups would be viewpoint discriminatory.
Are you admitting that EFSF could probably be thought of as an anti-BLM and anti-LGBT group?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
"Gentleman, there's no free speech in the free speech group!"
Methinks the SBA doth protest too much.
Particularly like the combination of the argument that given the sensitive nature of the proposed discussion topics, “potential and real harm” is likely to arise out of the proposed group’s discussions, together with the argument there is no need for a free speech group because free speech is fully protected by University policy.