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The Emory Law Journal Finds My Distinguished Colleague's Words "Hurtful and Unnecessarily Divisive"
The editors withdrew their publication offer.
[UPDATE, from Eugene Volokh: For those who want to review it for themselves, here's an 11-page PDF of Larry Alexander's article.]
Being a conservative can make it a little harder to get one's articles published in a traditional law review. And if one is writing about race or sex, it can be quite a bit harder. (I don't even try; I go straight for the specialty law reviews that were founded in part for the purpose of ensuring that articles by conservative scholars get published.)
I was therefore pleased to learn that my colleague Larry Alexander—one of the University of San Diego's Warren Distinguished Professors of Law—had been invited to write for the Emory Law Journal and that Larry had chosen to write on a race-related theme.
But it was not to be. After offering to publish Larry's essay (which was for a Festschrift for Professor Michael Perry) and then trying to edit away the meat of his argument, the ELJ has now withdrawn its acceptance. Editor-in-Chief Danielle Kerker sent an ultimatum to Larry: Either "greatly revise" the essay or the ELJ will have to "withdraw[] our publication offer." Larry understood how destructive to academic values it would be to cower under such pressure. He declined to revise the article. Good for him.
Kerker wrote that the ELJ Executive Board had "unanimously stated they do not feel comfortable publishing this piece as written." "We take issue with your conversation on systemic racism, finding your words hurtful and unnecessarily divisive." "Additionally," she wrote, "there are various instances of insensitive language use throughout the essay (e.g. widespread use of the objectifying term 'blacks' and 'the blacks' . . .) . . . ."
(If the term "black" in reference to African Americans is "objectifying," a lot more than just Larry's essay will need to be canceled. As for "the blacks," I have been told that some consider this to be a rude way to refer collectively to the members of a race. But, even assuming that it would be rude, Larry wasn't using the term that way. He was using it to refer to the particular blacks in one of his hypotheticals. The "the" was intended to make that clear.
The editors probably wish they could argue with Larry's discussion of disparate impact in constitutional analysis. But, there, Larry was just being mainstream: He was agreeing with the Supreme Court in Washington v. Davis (1976) that a statute that was not intended to disadvantage a particular race or ethnicity isn't rendered unconstitutional simply because it has a disparate impact on such a group.
(Why not? One reason is that all laws have a disparate impact on some racial or ethnic group. If your theory of the Constitution renders all laws unconstitutional, you need to re-think. There are a lot of racial and ethnic groups out there. They differ in many ways—culture, heredity, religion, geography, history and just dumb luck. There is no need to jump to the conclusion that discrimination underlies every disparate impact.)
I suspect the real beef the ELJ Executive Board has with the essay is that Larry explicitly stated that racism isn't the problem today. Instead, he pointed to "the cultural factors that have produced family disintegration, which in turn portends poor educational achievement, crime and poverty." This is just mainstream conservatism: Rearing children in one-parent families is not ideal, no matter what your race or ethnicity. It can't always be helped, but all too often it's the result of irresponsibility. At 69.4%, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for African Americans is particularly and tragically high.
Here's the good news for Larry's essay: This opera isn't over. Two law professors (one conservative and one liberal) have withdrawn their essays from the ELJ in protest over its treatment of Larry. Two more professors, both of whom I believe to be left of center, have said that they will publish only if they can include a blurb in front of their essays that protests the decision not to publish Larry. They do not necessarily agree with everything in Larry's essay. But standing up for him doesn't require agreement.
The ELJ has declined to comment.
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Rearing children in one-parent families is not ideal, no matter what your race or ethnicity. It can't always be helped, but all too often it's the result of irresponsibility. At 69.4%, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for African Americans is particularly and tragically high.
Fortunately the reason for that number has nothing whatsoever to do with systemic racism...
Those darned blacks just individually keep waking up and making so much more bad decisions than 'the whites!'
Stay in school, stay out of gangs, don't have kids as a teenager out of wedlock.
Those good decisions have a 90% success rate. Nobody is forcing anyone to make these bad decisions.
Why do you think blacks disproproprtionally make these bad decisions? I mean, the Irish used to do the same thing back when they were looked down on in England. Funny how that works.
You mean, the Irish used to be looked down on in England when they did the same thing?
No, I mean this blaming the victim thing has a long pedigree. Makes it so much easier to rule and exploit people when you're convinced they're morally inferior and deserve their lower status.
"Blaming the victim" incorporates an assumption that the purported "victim" lacked agency. That's exactly what we're disagreeing with.
You don't have to think a group or person lacks agency to realize they may have more obstacles to things like 'making good choices.'
Cite some examples. Are people not the masters of their own fates? Because that's what you're implying.
Some skin colors (sorry, "cultures" as you like to pretend you distinguish things by) have only been deemed good enough to share the same parts of society as the rest of us for less than 50 fucking years.
I'm sure that doesn't have anything at all to do with the situation, right? They've had almost two generations to overcome hundreds of years of discrimination.
I'm convinced the first response in your mind will be "Yeah, what the fuck is taking them so long?"
And not just 'discrimination,' we're talking slavery and peonage.
I remember when many white conservatives laid heavily into Michelle Obama for not being properly fawning of how great America is. At the time I thought, 'wtf, that lady's *father* and *grandfather,* whom she regularly saw as a child, faced stunting racism and discrimination regularly. Duh she might think America hasn't in large part lived up to its stated ideals.'
I mean, conservatives seethe with furious anger for decades over relatively small, temporary slights (they regularly talk in terms of revolution over having to wear a mask for a while or get a free shot), but people who grew up seeing their parents and grandparents regularly, systemically demeaned are supposed to 'get over it' quickly and easily.
It wasn't just her bad attitude. She wore a sleeveless dress. White conservatives will never be able to unsee that.
some of them were doing far better before government wonks decided they were to inferior to know what was best for them. they had higher rates of marriage and such until government and its band of know it all types stepped in
They stepped in because over half of their households were living below the poverty line. Yeah, they were doing fantastic.
Some skin colors (sorry, "cultures" as you like to pretend you distinguish things by) have only been deemed good enough to share the same parts of society as the rest of us for less than 50 fucking years.
Well, maybe you (and people like you) didn't deem some people as "good enough" to share society with the rest of us (whoever "us" is) until some time after 1972, but don't presume to speak for the country as a whole.
I'm sure that doesn't have anything at all to do with the situation, right? They've had almost two generations to overcome hundreds of years of discrimination.
I'm convinced the first response in your mind will be "Yeah, what the fuck is taking them so long?"
When one considers the fact that the single-parent household rate in question was far lower (less than 1/3 of today's rate) BEFORE you and your kinds decided that black people were good enough to join society as whole the stupidity of your argument becomes blindingly apparent.
No need to be triggered here Fuzz Wuzz. He didn't say anything about you or me being to blame for it, he just pointed out the historical fact that until about 50 years ago blacks faced significant legal and social discrimination in much of the nation.
Also, duh that black (and white!) rates of out of wedlock births was lower back when the government criminally punished out-of-wedlock co-habitation, 'fornication,' and made divorce quite hard to get. Note, however, that even in 1940 the black out of wedlock rate was EIGHT TIMES higher than the white rate (in fact, it was amazingly almost two out of ten, and this when, as said, the government used the force of the state to keep families together).
Large numbers of out of wedlock births are a new phenomenon. They are not the result of discrimination.
I'm not sure about that. We used to have the state ready to imprison people who co-habitated or had sex outside of wedlock and made divorce quite hard, so you could have people who didn't care much about marriage who were kind of forced into them. It's reasonable that blacks might have had more such feelings considering historical oppressions. Once the legal floodgates removed all rivers flowed quite a bit with the already faster running one flowing more.
So, what you're saying is that they ARE a new phenomenon, but rather than being the product of discrimination, they're the product of ceasing to penalize having children out of wedlock/failing to marry your sex partner when children result?
Yeah, I guess it's possible that people just had this bottled up desire to father bastards and raise children as single moms, and only refrained because it was legally penalized, and blacks just really, REALLY wanted to have broken families.
Or maybe the state by supporting single mothers subsidized single motherhood, and you get more of what you pay for.
Queen A : you could have people who didn't care much about marriage who were kind of forced into them. It's reasonable that blacks might have had more such feelings considering historical oppressions</i
If you think it's reasonable, presumably you can offer us some sort of line of reasoning whereby you deduce that black folk would be more anti-marriage than white folk, on account of historical oppressions. What is it about racial discrimination that makes you feel anti-marriage ?
Nieporent, unsurprisingly a notable fraction of women are disappointed by the prospect of aging out of their child-bearing years without offspring. If a society is organized in such a way as to deprive those women of marriageable-looking partners—for instance by making large proportions of males mostly-unemployable by fastening arrest records on them, or because employment of males frequently requires emmigration—increases in out of wedlock births result.
This is not a new phenomenon. It has been documented among the poor in the British Isles since centuries ago.
Damn Jason you are a racist son-of-a-bitch, unable to believe that black people can live up to the standards that you yourself hold for people who look like you.
Condesending POS.
Try again.
No need -- I pegged your ass as racist and you've done nothing but prove it
I'm convinced that anyone can live up to whatever a societal standard is, regardless of race.
But it's a lot harder to do so when society deliberately puts barriers in your way and systemic racism is only very recently being addressed by some - and yet perpetuated by many others.
I'm quite certain that if the oppression and discrimination is dealt with, I'll be proven right.
So no, cupcake, you're completely wrong.
"I'm convinced that anyone can live up to whatever a societal standard is, regardless of race."
So why did you proceed to make up excuses after this sentence? This statement alone shows that these "barriers" from the conspiracy theory called "systemic racism" are non-existent. Can you name these supposed "barriers"?
I'll be willing to bet with you that you'll be proven wrong. How much, Jason?
I'm hardly pretending I'm talking about cultures. Blacks who 'act white' are about as successful as whites who do, whites who 'act black' are equally failures.
It's all about the culture, which is the chief reason black immigrants to this country are more successful on average than native whites, though they'd presumably be subject to just as much discrimination: Because they tend to come from countries lacking that association between dark skin and a broken culture.
Obama made a great deal of noise about how, if he'd had a son, he might have looked like Trayvon Martin. Well, maybe he'd have looked like him, but he sure as hell wouldn't have raise a son to act like him. Because Obama wasn't raised in the ghetto culture, he's part of the successful dominant culture in the country, not one of the grossly dysfunctional subcultures, and there's not the slightest chance he'd teach his children ghetto values.
And the interesting thing is that conservatives regularly acknowledge this----but often only when it involves them! When one reviews the disparity in liberal/conservative in something like academe or journalism the conservative has little time for arguments 'recognizing the agency' of conservatives (maybe conservatives just don't like academic or journalist work or they prefer other things like business, maybe they just aren't 'book smart' enough, etc.). They get that things like outright discrimination or stereotyping are important factors to weigh in explaining these things.
But I get that many conservatives don't extend that thinking beyond folks like them, FYIGM is kind of a or the central tenet to modern conservatism.
maybe conservatives just don't like academic or journalist work or they prefer other things like business, maybe they just aren't 'book smart' enough, etc.). They get that things like outright discrimination or stereotyping are important factors to weigh in explaining these things.
Might that not have something to do with the direct evidence of current discrimination presented to us ? :
"After offering to publish Larry's essay (which was for a Festschrift for Professor Michael Perry) and then trying to edit away the meat of his argument, the ELJ has now withdrawn its acceptance. Editor-in-Chief Danielle Kerker sent an ultimatum to Larry: Either "greatly revise" the essay or the ELJ will have to "withdraw[] our publication offer."
Whereas you are just offering us the view that it's "reasonable" to assume black folk are, currently, not so keen on marriage because of "historical oppressions."
As far as actual evidence goes, Gail Heriot's theory is pretty solidly supported. Yours, not so much.
But how did the Irish move past such widespread systemic discrimination?
Probably the answer is rearing their children in 2 parent families, that can go along way to remediating other faults.
The Irish did have to overcome a lot, when the Scots consider you uncivilized, then you really need to do some serious introspection.
It took quite a while for the Irish to overcome it and consider they had significantly less to overcome.
Though, it was bad enough they had to create their own school system. (See: University of San Diego, a Catholic institution.)
But how did the Irish move past such widespread systemic discrimination?
With regard to the Irish in Ireland, partly with draconian policing of sexual activity generally, and partly by driving single mothers into institutional settings where the mothers were essentially enslaved, and their babies died by the thousands.
We're not discussing how my Irish relatives back in Ireland overcame being an oppressed majority in their own country, but how Irish here in America overcame being a despised minority.
Recall that anti-Chinese and Asian sentiment in the US and anti-Semitism (two groups with objectively high rates of traditional family formation) often invoked the trope of their morals being inferior when these groups were being discriminated against.
Yes, and as a result of the heritage of that racism, Chinese, Japanese, and Jewish Americans continue to have terrible rates of out-of-wedlock births, failure to complete high school, and crime.
The heritages aren't quite comparable, are they? And this is even more silly: it's like someone getting three dogs, all of which were abandoned, abused strays and when two of them 'come out of' the kind of behaviors that often leads to but the other one does so more slowly saying 'what's wrong with that third dog, the other two seemed to get over it so much better!'
I understand that out of wedlock births skyrocketed in Nazi Germany in the mid-1930s. The number of single parent homes skyrocketed as Jewish men went around seeking baby mamas. Right?
No. You’re full of shit. This is a problem unique to the black community and they need to figure out how to fix it. We can’t do it for them, in fact, even bringing it up results in angry pushback, as demonstrated by this message string.
"This is a problem unique to the black community"
1. Hmm, is there something else unique to the black community in our history? Hmmm...
2. That's an interesting take seeing as how the famous Moynihan Report that put this discussion on the table also pointed out the (relatively) skyrocketing white out of wedlock rates. Also, did you know that about 70% of the births in Iceland are out of wedlock? Must be all those blacks there....
So slavery from 200 years ago is causing this? Seriously? Then it will never be fixed. Might as well quit talking about it.
Non-black America in 2022 isn’t doing anything to cause the problem and can’t do anything to fix it. I know you think we’re all oppressors and all because that’s what you teach to 8 year olds, but that’s bullshit.
And back to the subject of this article - apparently we can’t even bring it up as an issue because that’s divisive. So, fuck it. Not my problem.
"Non-black America in 2022 isn’t doing anything to cause the problem and can’t do anything to fix it."
heh
Yeah, the "whites are the real victims GOP" hasn't been systematically trying to disenfranchise minority voters for years. That can't have anything to do with the issue, right?
I don't think you're an oppressor because that's what we teach 8 year olds (something which isn't true), but I do have my reasons for thinking you're probably not opposed to the Kard-Karrying Klansmen.
Yeah, the "whites are the real victims GOP" hasn't been systematically trying to disenfranchise minority voters for years. That can't have anything to do with the issue, right?
WTF are you babbling about?
The single-parent household rate for black Americans was below 20% in 1940. Today it stands around 70%. Yep, that must be due to voter ID laws.
but I do have my reasons for thinking you're probably not opposed to the Kard-Karrying Klansmen.
The #1 reason being that you have the IQ of a turnip.
"So slavery from 200 years ago is causing this?"
First of all, are you living in 2065? If so, can you tell me who won the Super Bowl back in 2022? Thanks.
Second, yes, something that happened over a hundred years ago can influence culture today. Maybe you've noticed these statues dotting public spaces in the South and how strongly, on both sides, people feel about them? They're kind of about something that happened a long time ago. Culture changes slowly quite often.
Third, it's amazing that you think obstacles disappeared with slavery. Many if not most blacks lived in legally enforced peonage until the 1960s, the vast majority of this nation's history. Maybe someone should have taught you that as an 8 year old (seriously, you are *really* triggered over this CRT stuff, aren't you?).
I am pretty damn "triggered" about it. Stay away from my kids with your sick racist indoctrination.
I'm sure your kids benefit from your rich fantasy life...
WuzAndAlwaysWillBeAnIdiot:
Why would the people whom you insist upon oppressing want to participate in your ideal version of society?
One of your numerous flaws is assuming that a single response is attempting to allocate 100% of the cause to an issue.
I could also mention the War on Drugs, the systemic racism in our justice system (the two go hand-in-hand), racist conscription policies, and other factors. All of these things have contributed to the undermining of a traditional family structure, disproportionately amongst minorities.
But to pretend that "non-black America" isn't doing ANYTHING at all to cause the problem? Well, maybe you can give Bevis a high-five at your next meeting.
That doesn't really help your argument; it undermines it. It illustrates that culture, not discrimination, is the cause.
David, my argument throughout has been that culture is the cause but historical oppression is the cause of the culture.
"David, my argument throughout has been that culture is the cause but historical oppression is the cause of the culture."
Well, we're halfway on the same page, but I'm not quite ready to call the War on Poverty "historical oppression".
Is this some sort of temporal homeopathy, where causes get more powerful the more remote you get from them?
Jason, I have reason to believe you’re full of shit. I mean, anybody who disagrees with you or believes that people contribute at least some to their own problems must be a racist, right? Why, those poor folks just don’t have any agency or free will at all. I’m not racist and I don’t owe you any explanation of that at all.
And you’re siding with the Queen, who teaches overtly racist stuff. But you be you.
Smug superiority is generally a poor look, though.
I should clarify that the conscription policies (Vietnam) themselves were not racist that I am aware of, but the availability of exemptions were certainly not equal across social or racial groups, and that was as a result of the racism of the time.
Bevis,
It's untrue that anyone who disagrees with me is a racist. Some people express themselves in a manner which indicates that they just don't give a fuck about what they perceive as 'racial' problems - like you. You want to pin down issues and pretend that you, and/or society in general, do not contribute to those problems (and maybe you do not).
If you're going to operate in the world where you deny the reality of oppression which absolutely still not only exists, but continues to perpetuate, while at the same time suggesting that you don't care about those issues...
What are people to think?
bevis, culture changes slowly, and history sometimes casts longer shadows than you might suppose.
Here I am typing in 2022. I met plenty of folks when I was growing up who were the children of fathers who fought in the Civil War—and even more so the grandchildren. Those fathers and grandfathers were then adults passing down to people my age the values they learned at their Civil War ancestors' knees. The older fraction of the baby boom is full of people who still today reflect in their own attitudes that kind of personal link to Civil War history and culture
I learned in a startling way that I could have been descended from a grandfather who was born the year Thomas Jefferson died. I guess I should always have known that. But I discovered it when I met someone born on the very day I was also born, whose grandfather actually was born in 1826—196 years ago this year. The guy I met felt his grandfather's influence keenly, and had a trove of the grandfather's papers which he treasured and studied.
How is it some of you claim cultures change slowly but ignore the flip from 2 parent households to single parent households om black communities 70 years ago and pay it no attention?
I will also point out that foreign black people in most western countries out perform native blacks as well as many segments of native whites in both school and income. This is especially true in places like England.
Yet you are to say that there is no achievement because of skin color when you can parse data more carefully with other metrics.
Crime and poverty are more correlated with single parent households than it is race.
"According to Malthusian doctrine, any increase in the Irish population would be due to their carnal and vicious nature. Famine would control this population explosion, and in Malthusian terms this was deserved. The Irish, the British opined, were hopelessly inferior and incurably filled with vice and so they deserved the famine, which would exert control over their excessive breeding. In effect, the Malthusian theory was used to reinforce British prejudice against the Irish and to justify the British failure to provide relief."
Irwin Sherman
Ah, technically, it wasn't so much the failure to provide relief, as the policy of exporting food from a country that otherwise could have fed itself. The only reason they relied so heavily on potatoes is that the British left them so little of their own country to farm on, that it was the only crop that was productive enough for them to survive.
Blacks make these bad decisions more often because leaders such as Sharpton and Farrakhan encourage doing so, and the LBJ welfare system enables them to get away with it. (And these leaders vocally hate white people, so naturally no white people follow them. This may be changing; a lot of BLM/Antifa's leadership are whites who join in hating whites.)
Thomas Sowell pointed out these effects in his analysis of the causes of poverty. If you want to stop the bad behaviors, stop rewarding them. That means cutting back the dole, and (I hope) spending the savings on more police and on purging DA's and police chiefs whose agenda is to let black ctiminals go scot free.
"the LBJ welfare system enables them to get away with it"
Again, the disparity and skyrocketting of the black out of wedlock rate preceded the War on Poverty. Conservatives can't help but continue to parrot this silliness.
The racial gap in out-of-wedlock births preceded the war on poverty. The skyrocketing absolutely did not.
As Moynihan notes the rate for blacks in 1940 was 16%, by 1963 it was 25%. That's a 56% increase, all prior to the war on poverty.
And after the war on poverty, you had a nearly 3 fold increase. That curve has an obvious knee about 1960-65. Between 1940 and 1965 it goes from 16 to 25%. From 1965 to 1990, the same length of time, it goes from 25% to 67%. A 170% increase is a lot more impressive than a 56% increase.
And what happened in 1965? The war on poverty. Sure, it started drifting up a little earlier. Maybe LBJ didn't invent welfare, he just took in national?
Not merely the war on poverty, which is an enormous factor, but a shift in feminism. It was no longer a political philosophy about equality, it was now 'the personal is political,' and the same silly imaginary arguments set forth by many stating that systemic racism is the sole cause for any disparities.
Shockingly, bad decisions lead to bad outcomes, so if you look at a group whose outcomes are on average worse, you'll generally find that their decisions were on average worse, too.
This is, of course, nothing to do with skin color, it's just cultural. We have multiple cultures in America, some of them work well, some are so-so, and some are very destructive.
Blacks are, disproportionately, members of destructive sub-cultures, but the whites who are also members of those subcultures suffer similarly negative outcomes, while blacks who are members of functional subcultures tend to do as well as whites.
It's all about culture, not skin color.
How do you think destructive sub-cultures get started? I mean, let's say you were a slave. Are you going to encourage hard work in your kids and peers when your labor is not yours? Are you going to prize marriage and family when your family can be split at another's whim? What you might prize instead are things like being 'tough,' sexual prowess, 'getting over,' etc. Blaming it on culture doesn't get one past the racism of the past.
How do you think destructive sub-cultures get ended?
That's a good question. I think it's likely a combination of self-reform and opening opportunities, but if I knew the answer I'd likely be doing more important things than commenting here 😉
Regardless of details, ending it requires looking forward, not backward.
Focus on blame is intrinsically backward looking.
Focus on making good decisions is intrinsically forward looking.
"Regardless of details, ending it requires looking forward, not backward. "
Does it? When a person has self destructive habits therapy often spends a fair amount of time looking backward to fix it. And, of course, one should be mindful of the barriers to making good choices a person may face that others do not before those others wag fingers. Perhaps the same is true of cultures?
If you look at black kids in the ghetto and white kids in the ghetto, you'll find similar outcomes. Their problems are with their immediate past, tragic parental situation, gangs, and early exposure to violence.
Discussion about Jim Crow or slavery is quite frankly irrelevant to their current situation because their current situation is about poverty, gangs, and despair. In fact, creating an "us versus them
and the man wants to keep us down" mentality is actively counterproductive as it encourages the view of their situation as hopeless and encourages despair-coping measures such as reckless living and drug use.
Talk about how with hard work and a bit of luck they can get to a decent job and work their way up to better than rock bottom, or even become truly successful.
"Discussion about Jim Crow or slavery is quite frankly irrelevant to their current situation because their current situation is about poverty, gangs, and despair. "
Is it? I mean, why do you think former slaves or peons might develop a culture suspicious of hard work, education and family formation as means to success? Their culture might be hardwired to be suspicious of these things because they have parents/grandparents who were regularly denied them even if they tried.
Once again you're focusing on how to start a destructive sub-culture, not how to end it. The three most important smart decisions needed are, no drugs, no gangs, no teen mothers. They are smart and important decisions regardless of race.
It's more difficult for people to avoid gangs, teen birth and drugs when they are convinced that their ability to succeed through traditional means is limited.
Take another example: blacks have higher levels of negative health outcomes. Some part of this is likely due to the fact that they utilize health care resources differently. Suspicion of health care providers can be high in black communities. Of course a solution is to urge black persons to utilize health care resources more and better, but the suspicion (based on history at the least) probably has to be addressed for that advice/urging to work best.
"It's more difficult for people to avoid gangs, teen birth and drugs when they are convinced that their ability to succeed through traditional means is limited."
And who's working to convince them of that? Me, who'd tell them that their ability to succeed through traditional means is in their own hands, dependent on the choices THEY make? Or you, who'd tell them that it's all down to what other people chose to do?
Denying people agency denies that they can help themselves. And that's the worst thing you can tell somebody who's down, that nothing they do can help them. That's counseling them to give up and be dependent on others.
It's not that simple. Take my health care example elsewhere on this discussion, if you were just to tell blacks to go to the doctor more it wouldn't help because you wouldn't have addressed the suspicions they have (founded in a long history). You'd have to do something further to assure them that history is over and being policed to not happen again. Again, you know this because when it involves people like you you're quite aware of it: if I told conservatives to just study harder and do good work to make it in academe and the disparity will go away you'd not accept that. You'd think there would need to be safeguards for conservatives from discrimination, stereotyping and such in academe. And in saying so would you be denying their agency? Of course not, that's silly. It's some dumb line you've heard conservative opinion writers say so much, you should stop repeating it.
"Take my health care example elsewhere on this discussion, if you were just to tell blacks to go to the doctor more it wouldn't help because you wouldn't have addressed the suspicions they have (founded in a long history). "
Does it relieve those suspicions if you tell them their poor health is due to systematic racism in the health care system, rather than their avoiding doctors?
The flaw with CRT is that it proposes to fix the problems by having whites change, not the minorities. Sorry, that may sound like justice, but it will do nothing to help the minorities.
The minorities must choose no drugs, no gangs, no teen mother, and continue making good decisions until their lives are improved.
I don't think anyone here is suggesting 'CRT,' whatever that is, is going to fix much of anything. I personally think it'll likely do more harm than good in many ways.
But, if blacks think that their good decisions will not win them much because whites have not changed then they're not going to make those good decisions as easily as you make it out to be. Historically they have a point.
@Queen Amalthea
So let them lose that mentality and start making good decisions. It's not impossible.
Here's a bit of a microcosm of how difficult culture is to change and a culture affected by past racism. It's pretty clear now that black persons have all the goods to be great football quarterbacks. Yet black quarterbacks were very rare until somewhat recently. What was up with that? It likely had to do with stereotypes (that black football players may be fast and strong but they weren't as intelligent and that position demanded high intelligence). The stereotype was strong among decision makers (coaches and scouts who were largely white) but it also likely caused many black players to self-select and try to specialize in another position. How'd that change? One thing I know the answer includes is: very slowly.
Now, take the same thing and apply to income, family formation, educational attainment, etc.
I will agree that much of it is self-fulfilling prophesy. Kids who grow up poor, don't value education, and have no hope for the future get involved in bad situations that drag them down further.
Kids who grow up poor and at least value hard work and have hope for the future tend to rise up to the working class or industrial labor.
What I've seen that's most concerning are some kids being shamed for "acting white" for doing well in school (or even using proper grammar). Active social pressure that by getting ahead or doing well they are somehow betraying their people.
I agree that self-reform is going to have to be part of any overcoming and that shaming kids for 'acting white' is counterproductive to say the least. My point is only that that culture itself was largely shaped by racist policies and stereotypes.
Whereas I think it was shaped by welfare, and racist policies just situated blacks to disproportionately end up on welfare. But whites who were similarly situated took the same damage.
This is part of the reason that I propose that any support for people living in areas with low employment be conditioned on moving to someplace where there are jobs to be had. Surround those kids with role models of people working for a living instead of going on welfare or entering the criminal underclass.
Unless somebody is a paraplegic, or something similar, aid should ALWAYS be conditioned on performing some sort of work, and doing things yourself to improve your situation. It rots the soul to be supported without doing anything to earn it. Even children need chores to be mentally healthy.
Tuttle, I cannot say in a general way. With regard to the out-of-wedlock births among American Black women, making available to them more partners who have earning ability would help greatly. Maybe not so many earnings-destroying arrest records for young Black men would help.
But reducing the number of earnings destroying arrest records by failing to arrest them when they commit crimes is hardly going to help any, because you get more crimes that way. And who are the victims going to be? Yeah, other blacks, mostly.
Like I said, the real solution is to encourage them to move out of the ghetto to someplace where there actually ARE jobs to be had.
How about zeroing out welfare, and replacing it with a new CCC?
Actually, after Emancipation, the freedmen did a pretty good job of putting a premium on education, work ethic, marriage, and family. But I guess racism is so much worse now than under slavery (or even than in 1964, when LBJ launched the War on Poverty) that rates of illegitimacy have skyrocketed, and that African Americans are doomed to disdain educational achievement as "acting white."
after Emancipation, the freedmen did a pretty good job of putting a premium on education, work ethic, marriage, and family.
Until Reconstruction ended and southern Blacks were consigned to something not much better than their prewar status.
Huh? No, they actually were doing great on that front until the "war on poverty". Did all those black colleges close their doors when Reconstruction ended? No, generally they were founded during Reconstruction!
It wasn't just black unwed motherhood that went up when we declared "war on poverty". It was every group. Whites have worse rates of unwed motherhood today than blacks did before LBJ waged his 'war'.
That 'war' was disastrous for everybody. Blacks just happened to be disproportionately at ground zero.
Again, the rates were going up before the War on Poverty and the black rates were much higher than the white well before that as well.
Do you conservatives think to make these demonstrably incorrect statements true via sheer repetition?
Creeping up vs skyrocketing. They'd actually been fairly stable until the 1940's, and only really shot up starting in the 1960's.
"Actually, after Emancipation, the freedmen did a pretty good job of putting a premium on education, work ethic, marriage, and family."
Did they? Again, Southern states deliberately put stiff penalties on crimes like bigamy, family abandonment, etc., because they thought it would target blacks. Black families were generally more tenuous, once the state got out of the business of criminally punishing alternative family formations the Black and White out of wedlock rates shot up (though the latter higher of course).
I'm pretty sure those laws existed prior to Reconstruction, Queen Amalthea. You're not making a good case here.
Well if you look at Black history, for most of the 20th century Blacks had just as high of marriage rates as whites.
I'd link the decline in Black culture, and stalling of Black social progress to two things: the rise of the welfare state in the 60"s, and the closing off of federal employment opportunities to the black upper class in the 20's.
I imagine when you could be criminally punished for co-habitation, 'fornication, etc., without marriage yes the marriage rates were high for all couples...
Can you point out where this has happened?
"...the racism of the past..."
Get over it. No one owes you a cookie.
Ed surely feels the same way about disparities for conservatives in entertainment, academe, journalism, tech, etc.
Disparities? None of those industries have any discrimination policies. Blacks and anyone else are free to join those groups should they be qualified.
Quit blaming others for your own failures.
I wouldn't say "fortunately", but you're right anyway: It has nothing to do with "systematic racism", unless you figure the War on Poverty and Great Society were systematically racist.
Both programs wrought horrible cultural damage to the poor, especially urban poor, and for path dependence reasons, blacks were disproportionately positioned to take that damage. But similarly positioned whites were also harmed in the same manner.
Before those programs 55% of black households were in poverty.
Black families were always strained (in fact many black codes targeted things like 'abandonment' and bigamy for this very reason) due, in fact, to systemic racism. What changed was that laws where the state criminalized alternative family forms changed.
You give people money, then count that money as income, of course you can lower the poverty rate. But that doesn't mean their situation has really changed, if their income not counting the dole doesn't go up.
Or is the objective just to keep them dependent on welfare?
I'm genuinely curious what you think makes your point in your citation.
After the War on Poverty legislation, black out of wedlock births skyrocketed. Rearing children without a father is disastrous, and the breakup of the black nuclear family is what I would consider the main cause of the cultural issues we see in the black community today.
"After the War on Poverty legislation, black out of wedlock births skyrocketed. "
Jesus Christ. You do remember the Moynihan Report came out in *1965* don't you? Of course you don't. You've got a Glenn Beck level narrative to parrot.
Sure, the Moynihan Report came out in 1965. When the out of wedlock birth rate for blacks was 25%. Ten years later it was twice that! By 1990 it was almost 3 times that.
What did the Moynihan Report accomplish? Apparently, doubling down on doing the wrong thing.
And the *report itself* notes that was way up from previous decades. In other words the disparity and the sharp climb *preceded* the War on Poverty.
Again, this is some dumb thing you've hard over and over from not very thoughtful conservative pundits. You should junk it.
"Way up" by Moynihan standards was a minor blip compared to what came after. It's like somebody who says "it's hot in here" and then the room explodes into flames.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Every accusation is a confession.
One of those stupid rhetorical tropes that are designed to let you imagine that every argument against you proves you right.
"reason for that number has nothing whatsoever to do with systemic racism"
Blacks are just helpless victims, with no agency. Everyone knows this.
Maybe they should read Torah. Jews made the transition from slavery to freedom a few thousand years ago. We still remember. It is a monumental transition. Very difficult. But it can be done.
Again, this is silly Beck level arguing. Recognizing someone or group faces obstacles doesn't dismiss their agency.
Your other comments [and most others here] are in fact blaming racism almost totally.
I'm not shocked that Bob doesn't understand my comments.
As if we are going to ignore the Democrat created welfare state and Joe Biden's crime bill that removed millions of black men from their homes.
"I have been told that some consider this to be a rude way to refer collectively to the members of a race."
Good grief. I'd really like to see studies done on the overlap of functioning autism and conservatism-libertarianism. I seem to recall research finding lower empathy and emotional/cultural intelligence among them, but I really have to wonder sometimes if it's not more there.
"I go straight for the specialty law reviews that were founded in part for the purpose of ensuring that articles by conservative scholars get published."
"Larry understood how destructive to academic values"
Lol, you can't make this stuff up.
Yes, unsurprisingly, conservatism, as defined by liberals, is positively associated with stupidity, as defined by liberals. Go figure, who could have seen that coming?
I don't think Gail Heriot is stupid by any means, she's likely very intelligent in terms of reasoning and logic. I'm talking about obtuseness, likely rooted in lower emotional and cultural intelligence (it's interesting that you missed that).
I think it's interesting that you assumed I missed it.
This wasn't obtuseness on display, it was disagreement. Failing to agree with liberals about the proper emotional valiance of language doesn't constitute low emotional intelligence.
" conservatism, as defined by liberals, is positively associated with stupidity, as defined by liberals"
Come on, 'stupid' is not a word regularly used for lower emotional/cultural intelligence.
And maybe that's a good reason why using "intelligence" to refer to emotions and culture doesn't make sense in the first place?
I think it does, there's extensive work on this in the field of psychology. You might want to try Daniel Goleman's book as an introduction to it.
(intelligence is dictionary defined as the ability to acquire and apply skills and knowledge-well, people with high emotional or cultural intelligence do just that when exercising it, so the term seems fine with me).
If it makes sense to call something an "intelligence", it makes sense to call the lack of it "stupidity". The concepts are inextricably linked.
It's true that many definitions of stupid say it's a deficiency in intelligence, but more specific ones often note it's a deficiency in intellect, which is not what's going on with emotional/cultural intelligence.
" Good grief. I'd really like to see studies done on the overlap of functioning autism and conservatism-libertarianism. "
This blog constitutes such a study. Disaffected incels, autistic clingers, and right-wing misfits are being observed in the field (while being lathered by their handlers).
It's a good thing we are not being hurtful and unnecessarily divisive...
Clingers are nothing if not unnecessarily divisive . . . but being divisive in not unlawful.
Disaffected, vanquished misfits have rights, too.
You take as much offense as you're willing to put in you. The good old prophet Isaiah pointed that out long ago.
You are weak in character, Mr. Kirkland.
"We take issue with your conversation on systemic racism, finding your words hurtful and unnecessarily divisive."
Given the article was solicited, I find that statement to be very divisive.
I don't think a "race" has dumb luck. Blacks or negroes is the accurate term. African-Americans is not since there are many white African-Americans.
Seems like some of the alleged "prestigious folks are no longer serious.
" Blacks or negroes "
This blog doesn't prefer that second term . . . it goes straight to the most vile racial slur (at least 15 times last year, if you are counting posts rather than individual comments).
Does this blog generate bigots, or merely attract them?
Carry on, clingers.
You take as much offense as you're willing to put in you. The good old prophet Isaiah pointed that out long ago.
You are weak in character, Mr. Kirkland. Seek Jesus.
Weird also that just using the terms blacks is somehow devisive. Over the last two years white this white that whiteness is awful have been a constant theme. Wonder if Emory applies the same scrutiny to the term white?
The serious conversation on race can't be had with non-serious folks.
"After offering to publish Larry's essay . . . "
The post isn't clear on this point. Was this offer made after it was initially read? Or is this phrase just repeating the fact that he was invited to submit an essay? The former would make the conduct quite a bit worse.
They solicited an essay to get an alternative viewpoint, and then were horrified to discover that the viewpoint it expressed wasn't their own.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to link to the letter? In other contexts and discussions folks around often seem suspicious of excerpted quotes...
I say bravo if liberal professors are willing to defend free expression of ideas. If we had more like them, the problem illustrated by this anecdote wouldn't exist.
You realize the irony here though, right? Heriot concedes that her *preference* is to publish in journals whose *explicit and regular policy is to ideologically selectively publish* and then complains when mainstream journals don't play by academic ideologically neutral rules.
Heriot's preference for explicitly conservative journals is similar to Charlie Brown's reference to practice kicking a football with people who aren't than Lucy. People aren't obligated to keep setting themselves up for their ideological enemies to harm them.
Sure it is, sure. These journals routinely and systemically do what she caterwauls about in mainstream journals: they have an explicit point of view (usually determined by big donors) and they cull submissions strictly in line with it.
"Rearing children in one-parent families is not ideal, no matter what your race or ethnicity. It can't always be helped, but all too often it's the result of irresponsibility. At 69.4%, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for African Americans is particularly and tragically high.
Conservatives act like they care about single parents and out-of-wedlock children, yet they keep trying to outlaw abortion.
What do they think will happen to the pearls they pretend to clutch on this issue if abortion is made illegal?
Hypocrites.
Not just abortion, they spend a fair amount of time making family planning, contraception, etc., harder to get.
Yeah, no. Citation needed on that claim. When was the last time you found a left-wing organization that helped mothers give birth, both before and after? I don't know about where you live, but 100% of the pro-family organizations here are all pro-life. Every single one.
The question to ask yourself is this: is an organization that wants to help you not raise a family in fact your friend? What kind of "friend" wants to make sure you don't procreate?
The question to ask yourself, is why you can't frame the issue appropriately?
"What kind of "friend" wants to make sure you don't procreate?"
That's bullshit. Period. Full stop. You pulled that perspective right out of your brown stinker.
What those organizations actually do, is help ensure those patients don't procreate when they (the patients) don't want to.
Everyone knows that, including you, so I have to wonder what you thought you'd accomplish by deliberately being dishonest?
"brown stinker"
Damn, way to bring race into it.
Lol. You know something that helps people in procreation? Programs like Medicaid that *pay for pregnancy and delivery related expenses*. You know how the right loves that!
" but 100% of the pro-family organizations here are all pro-life. "
Ah, the 'I don't know anyone who voted for Nixon' level argument.
DaveM, doesn't Planned Parenthood do both?
If they were to engage in truth in advertising, they'd call themselves "Planned non-parenthood".
So you dispute the services they perform aren't actually done? How much of your knowledge extends beyond knowing they help with abortions?
Cancer screening, birthing classes, post-partum exams, prenatal services, adoption referrals, STD-related services, education, etc.
You claim Planned Parenthood doesn't do these things?
Almost all of their services are related to preventing pregnancy or ending it, you know that. When a pregnant woman walks into PP, 97% of the time she's there for an abortion, PP does almost no adoption referrals or help with a healthy delivery. Virtually everything they do is related to preventing childbirth.
Ahem. 69.4% out-of-wedlock birth rate is the rate with abortion on demand. Is your argument that if society makes abortion even more frequent it will make that number go lower? I beg to differ.
Ahem right back at you.
I'm clearly saying that by trying to criminalize or outlaw abortion, those rates will absolutely not IMPROVE.
How did you manage to get that argument entirely backwards?
And your "proof" is that with abortion the rates are already bad?
I'm trying to point out that your argument is entirely without merit, not that it's backwards.
It's an obvious correlation that prohibiting abortion will result in more out-of-wedlock children being raised by single parents than with it available.
So considering that you're wrong, I'll just wish you the best of luck with your endeavor.
Yeah, no aborted fetus was going to be an out of wedlock child!
"Out of Wedlock" doesn't mean they aren't being raised by both parents. It just means they decided not to get married.
I don't believe their are any direct rights/benefits for children provided by marriage. It provides benefits to the parents which can provide some legal benefits that would indirectly benefit their children.
The idea that "out of wedlock" automatically means "irresponsible" is the real problem here. It's just another racist dog whistle.
No, it doesn't automatically mean "single parent" or "irresponsible." The single-parent situation is however quite common.
Something I don't believe anyone's mentioned yet is the fact that marriage rates are decreasing across (AFAIK) all groups, which in turn will have some correlation with 'out-of-wedlock' births (I'd expect an increase).
This has never been a good argument. Single parenthood and abortion can both be bad even if one addresses the other. 24/7 ubiquitous law enforcement cameras and warrantless searches are a decent way to deter and solve crime/terrorism but we recognize that the other effects are bad enough to not turn the wrongs into rights.
It’s just a talking-point. Can solve anything? Point fingers and try to divide everyone so you can lead one side against the other. That’s one of the only ways for destructive misanthropes to occupy leadership positions.
"Conservatives act like they care about single parents and out-of-wedlock children, yet they keep trying to outlaw abortion."
If supporting abortion demonstrates one's concern for out-of-wedlock children, does advocating mass killings to reduce the population demonstrate one's concern for the poor?
This is a terrible argument. One could just as easily say, "Liberals act like they don't want to see blacks living in poverty, yet they complain whenever police shoot poor black people. Hypocrites!"
The fact that one opposes outcome X does not make one a "hypocrite" for opposing a proposed solution to outcome X that is also unpalatable.
I don't see how attempting to outlaw abortion is a "proposed solution" to either single parents or out-of-wedlock children, unless the anti-abortion argument is "having a child will force people to stay together/get married."
If so, that is a fantasy having little to do with reality, because that option has always been available.
The rate is what it is, and that's with people having options to prevent that outcome. We know that people will continue to have sex, so taking away a method to prevent having a child when you're potentially a single parent, or unmarried, will most likely exacerbate the situation.
It's not a solution at all.
Actually, it is a solution. It makes people think twice before making a decision.
You have not provided an adequate response to David's points. Try again.
Prof. Heriot -- for whom being conservative makes it hard to know whether she is a Republican or not, at least when trying to game the system in an especially low-class manner -- is so bereft of self-awareness that she advanced her complaint (about conservatives being muzzled) on a conservative blog that repeatedly censors non-conservatives for hurting conservatives' feelings with terms such as "sl_ck-j_w" and "c_p succ_r."
(If a change in your position now enables me to use the terms "sl_ck-j_w" and "c_p succ_r" without being banned or seeing my comments vanished by the Volokh Conspiracy Board of Censors, Prof. Volokh, I would welcome that news. Otherwise, I will continue to understand that the partisan, viewpoint-driven censorship you have confirmed in writing is still effective, and that I should continue to mind my tongue lest it displease your carefully cultivated class of conservative commenters.)
Anyone feel like refuting this guy for me? He doesn't seem to understand the difference between an academic institution that claims free speech and an organization that's transparent about what they will and won't allow...
While only briefly touched on by Brett earlier I have to point out there seems to be a massive ignorance of history in most of these comments. Up until the 1960s single parent families in black populations were on par, in fact a little less, than the general population or white populations. In part some peeps explained this by the fact that in general black populations were much more religious in terms of attending church than white populations. It was only when LBJ started paying peeps to have babies out of wedlock that single parent families increased. As many economists have postulated if you want more of something pay people to do it.
The Moynihan Report of 1965 is still the gold standard that is too often ignored.
https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/moynihan-report-1965/
Good Jesus how can you cite the report with a link that *has the date of the report in it* and then parrot such drivel? The report came out in 1965 *BEFORE* nearly all of the 'War on Poverty' legislation was enacted! To make matters worse, the report, being a government report, *USED PRE-WAR ON POVERTY DATA.*
Holy shit you people really are 'dittoheads' mindlessly parroting stupid talking points.
So how do you explain the explosion in single family parents in the black community.
Your insults fall on deaf ears when you ignore the elephant in the room.
Apparently the effects of slavery had a delayed effect, they only really kicked in a century after it was abolished.
Again, you don't have to read the cited report, just look at the pretty colored graph. Even when the state put a heavy thumb on family formation the black out of wedlock rate was multiples of the white.
I've not only seen the pretty colored graph, I've linked to it a couple times now. It shows single motherhood exploding about the time the war on poverty began. Among EVERY racial and ethnic group!
So you've got to explain why the legacy of slavery caused white out of wedlock birthrates to soar. That seems a bit counter-intuitive, no?
And you've got to explain why the 'legacy of slavery' was at its weakest during Jim Crow, and only became powerful after the Civil rights movement triumphed. Again, counter-intuitive.
I have no such problem, because I don't think racism explains anything here except why blacks were already worse off when that explosion took place. Like I said, it was the war on poverty that caused it, but the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow DID position blacks to be especially damaged by that war.
Explaining why somebody was where a bomb landed might explain why they got blown to smithereens, but it's still the bomb that blew them up, not the bus that delivered them to the site of the explosion.
Brett, at least consider whether that delayed effect hypothesis of yours could be accurate. Just because the War on Poverty coincided with an increase in out-of-wedlock births is no proof that it caused them, or caused most of them.
One delayed effect of the end of slavery did come within the relevant time frame. For decades following the Civil War Blacks in America were held in near-peonage in the South. That condition lasted at least until the 1920s. During that interval Blacks may have been desperately poor, but they were also held in near-medieval conditions of obligation, which created enforced social stability, and possibly family stability, which would not otherwise typically be found associated with that level of poverty. That stability slowly began disintegrating toward the end of the 1920s.
One result (or maybe it was a cause) was what came to be called the Great Migration, in which Blacks came north. That continued for decades, and eventually transferred a large fraction of southern Blacks out of the last vestiges of their former bondage—and into more-chaotic and sometimes economically challenging conditions in the North. Earnings which had been slight but steady were replaced by better earnings which were less reliable. During that same interval, Black family formation began to decline. Almost surely, that process of relocation broke up some families. Also during that interval, Black incarceration rates in the North began to increase. Incarceration breaks up families, and makes the incarcerated more or less permanently undesirable as marriage partners, because they lose employment opportunities even after they get out.
I doubt we know what to make of all that. I do think it is naive to ignore it, in favor of a government policy explanation. You cannot even be certain that it was not some other government policy causing the problem—let alone the more likely explanation that it was a complicated mix of causes.
Sounds just like conjecture on your part. I'm gonna have to stick with Occam's razor for this one and say ragebot and Brett are more convincing here.
Holy shit dude, BY YOUR OWN SOURCE that explosion preceded those laws. I mean, even if you are or can not read the report in your source you can see the colorful picture of the graph at the beginning, right?
You literally cited a source that came out BEFORE the cause you blame. WTF dude!
You should be mad (raging perhaps) at the stupid right wing sources that drilled this misinformation into your head somehow.
You saw the numbers, they exploded badly since the 1960's. Quit being in denial.
Nixon's (racist) war on drugs began in 1971.
In this thread, multiple "progressive" wastes of oxygen expend all of their time and effort on denying the root cause of a problem so as to not have to actually recognize and deal with it, which is a necessary prerequisite for addressing the problem...because in reality they don't give a rat's ass about the plight of black Americans, except to the extent that they can exploit that plight to score virtue-signaling points with other "progressive" wastes of oxygen and disingenuously pretend that their political enemies of being the real problem.
I would also point out the parallel to Arab national governments and other groups who love to use the Palestinians as pawns to further their anti-Jew/Israel agendas, while simultaneously not really giving a damn about Palestinians.
Lol, if only we really cared about blacks we'd blame their plight on their own lack of morals and self control!
Yes, we'd do exactly that, because it's only by taking control of their own lives instead of depending on others that they'll ever improve their situations.
Projection is a hell of drug.
Until the out of wedlock rate goes down, blacks as a group are going to continue to be poor and have high crime rates. You can deny this if you want, doesn't change the fact.
Two parent households are a necessity.
Keep on blaming racism, that will solve the problem.
Look, I get you're not very bright and live in a very simple black/white world. But two things can be true: 1. A culture can be shaped so that it pushes people in a destructive direction and 2. People in that culture should still work to overcome that push.
It solves the communications problem and distracts people. That’s the only problem grifters need solved.
What is to blame for the increasing dysfunction among the depleted human residue that remains in our can't-keep-up rural and southern backwaters?
Why have residents of those backwaters -- much of Ohio, for example -- stuck with dying industries and declining communities against all evidence for so long?
Why are they mired in dysfunction, ignorance, economic inadequacy, bigotry, superstition, addiction, and the other common attributes of rural and southern communities?
What causes them to see street pills, faith healers, racism, tobacco, misogyny, televangelists, sketchy disability claims, tobacco, lottery tickets, xenophobia, gay-bashing, and Donald Trump as solutions to their largely self-inflicted problems?
The faltering residents of your community, Bob from Ohio, are mostly White. What causes their failures, Bob? Why are they parasites? Why can't they keep up in modern America?
Lying about Bob's life doesn't make a strong argument. Repent of your wickedness.
When do they ever have anything to offer except denial, excuse-making, and recriminations?
Once in a while they create a policy that hires bureaucrats to pay union dues and create paperwork and eventually direct money (that someone else earned) to cronies and captive voters. When it doesn’t make anything better they insist on doing more of all of it.
You can see the result in California: high poverty, high unemployment, housing crisis, crime, bad schools, and out-migration of regular middle-class people.
The state with the highest population loss by percentage is the Progressive Blue Republic of...
West Virginia.
https://apnews.com/article/al-state-wire-west-virginia-lifestyle-census-2020-business-9b94594a74d6b7ab1bee153a425981d9
Poor Ben, when you seal yourself in an ideological bubble you say some dumb things.
You'd be mistaken. This graph says otherwise:
https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2021/comm/how-does-your-state-compare.html
Try harder.
Thank you to Prof. Volokh for posting the essay in question. It would be helpful to read the law review's letter as well. The viewpoint of the price certainly doesnt warrant expiration, but it also could clearly benefit from some aggressive editing (which, if I were involved, would include rewording the passages about "the blacks").
Did you read it? Did you see that "the blacks" was generally next to "the whites" and was contextually appropriate?
I tend to hesitate to judge something by excerpts provided by those hostile to the author. YMMV.
My comment was strictly related to the article in question, which was published in full.
Noscitur a sociis made a claim related to how they'd edit the article. But the foundation of that claim is shaky at best and only really holds up if one reads "the blacks" out of context.
I think it would be nice to hear what the editors found problematic about the wording before judging who has the better point.
I mean, they probably didn't love the part where he called the guy the issue was supposed to go to a Nazi, or the part where he said that slavery wasn't so bad because without it history would have played out differently and the people alive today wouldn't have been born.
This is awful reasoning whether or not slavery is the ill being discussed. Any sensible editor would reject that kind of logic.
Pretty much any awful event, whether to the individual or on a global scale, plays out in some way over time that can be beneficial to people. That doesn't make the underlying evil any less evil. People fled the Holocaust and made new lives in the United States giving them opportunities and forming families they might not have had if it never happened and they stayed in Europe. That obviously doesn't make the Holocaust "not so bad."
I did read the article, which is how I know that it uses the phrase "the blacks" four times. Two of the uses are accompanied by "the whites", and two are not.
I have no idea what you mean by "contextually appropriate", but I certainly don't think that Prof. Alexander's usages reflects any bigotry or prejudice on his part. However, all of the uses could easily be reworded to make "black" adjectival rather than a noun, and that reads as considerably less tone-deaf to me. Which is why I'd be interested to learn exactly what the complaints from the journal were.
You take as much offense as you're willing to put in you. The good old prophet Isaiah pointed that out long ago.
Don't be weak in character.
Holy crap, did you really tweet out a thank-you to Amy Wax for a positive review of your book AFTER she was getting dragged online for saying we need fewer Asians in the country? Lol.
“In the case of Asians in the U.S., the overwhelming majority vote Democratic,” Wax argued. “I find Asian support for these policies mystifying, as I fail to see how they are in Asians’ interest. We can speculate (and, yes, generalize) about Asians’ desire to please the elite.”
“As long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration,” she added.
Um, what the fuck?
https://twitter.com/GailHeriot/status/1478446738952253441
"A review of my book! Thank you, Amy Wax!"
'Thanks, white supremacist, for agreeing with the things I wrote!'
How long until Wax and Heirot have a podcast where they invite some freak on to talk about physiognomy?
Eh, it's not any more absurd than Democrats asking what's the matter with Kansas. Partisans routinely ask why this group or that vote against their own interests as understood by the partisans.
Danielle Kerker and the rest of the ELJ board are what, second year law students? Awesome system!
"...the whole idea that journal editors declining to publish a manuscript is some kind of free speech issue is incoherent nonsense; it’s what journals that aren’t open source do... A manuscript containing a lot of racist drivel you’ve already heard a million times before can find any day at the Daily Caller or V-Dare is an excellent reason for not publishing it in your journal; one of the very best in fact. An editor asking an author to cut out arguments like “Green v. New Kent County is Nazism” and “slavery was good for African-Americans” is doing them a favor, not violating their rights." https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/01/everything-means-less-than-zero
DavidS-T, read this for a good counter to your post:
https://reason.com/2022/01/05/emory-law-journal-lawrence-alexander-michael-perry-festschrift/?comments=true#comment-9289077
God bless.
Hi Ms. Heriot - someone may have addressed this but I missed it if they did. Jon Adler and others have noted that the article was of poor quality and lacked citations. IANAL but no citations seems pretty serious to me. Do you agree w/Adler that it was a weak article?