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Originalism, Inc.
There is a big difference between "Originalism Inc." and unincorporated originalists.
In his reply to my post, Steve Sachs coined what I think should be a useful phrase:
Reaffirming Roe would be an extraordinary black mark for the conservative legal movement, which has wanted it overturned for decades. Ditto for the GOP administrations that campaigned on Court appointments and asked pro-lifers for their votes. But I don't understand how it'd be a black mark for originalism, if only because a theory is more than the group of people practicing it: there's a big difference between originalism and "Originalism Inc."
What is Originalism, Inc.? Ruth Marcus describes this dynamic in her book about the Gorsuch and Kavanaugh confirmations, Supreme Ambition (p. 63-64):
The Trump judge pickers' focus during those early discussions was not on prospective nominees' positions on the hottest-button social issues, abortion and same-sex marriage. Instead, it was on the less sexy but—to the assembled lawyers and, as significantly, to the wealthy donors who financed the Republican party—even more important matter of what Steve Bannon would later call the "deconstruction of the administrative state." Priebus laid it out: the social conservatives who had helped elect Trump might focus on abortion and same-sex marriage, but the donors cared about regulation. They were eager to undo what they viewed as the out-of-control regulatory apparatus that had been assembled since Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal. As McGahn later told the Federalist Society, "The greatest threat to the rule of law in our modern society is the ever-expanding regulatory state, and the most effective bulwark against that threat is a strong judiciary." Overturning Chevron would help with Bannon's promised deconstruction. And that, for all evangelical voters' focus on the Supreme Court and social issues such as abortion, was the real goal. The emphasis on social conservatism and its associated hot-button issues ended with Scalia, McGahn said at the first meeting after the election to discuss the justice's successor. It was now all about regulatory relief. On that score, McGahn said, Scalia "wouldn't make the cut." On this front, Gorsuch had a big leg up on the competition—and so would Kavanaugh, with his extensive record on administrative law.
Given the priorities of those selecting the Trump nominees--members of Originalism, Inc.--perhaps it should not be surprising that the outcome in Dobbs is so unpredictable. The Wall Street Journal, the broadsheet of Originalism, Inc., made this point clearly in July 2018:
No one on Mr. Trump's list of nominees will claim to want to overturn Roe—and not because they are lying. In their caution and deference to precedent, they will be showing proper conservative respect for the law and the reputation of the Court.
Of course, Marcus observes that the people who put Trump in office, as well as the rank-and-file membership of the conservative legal movement, are not members of Originalism, Inc. They are unincorporated originalists. The disconnect between these two groups will come sharply into focus with Dobbs.
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The Miracle Originalism Elixir didn't work - it's time to follow the only other possible alternative - snort the Miracle Evolving-Constitution Powder up the nose of the body politic!
/sarc
The U.S. Supreme Court issues a "constitutional" decision that's ridiculous on its face (penumbras, emanations, etc.). You are a Supreme Court justice. What should you do to "show proper respect for the law and the reputation of the Court"?
a. affirm the ridiculously wrong decision
b. overturn the ridiculously wrong decision
Hmmm, that's a tough one...
The Wall Street Journal thinks people should be able to buy abortions for their mistresses. Doesn't that *conserve* the status quo and avoid fuss - clearly conservative values!
The Wall Street Journal thinks people should be able to buy abortions for their mistresses. Doesn't that *conserve* the status quo and avoid fuss - clearly conservative values!
Penumbras and emanations is the language of Griswold v. Connecticut. Is that the next target after Roe v. Wade?
First they'd have to pass a law against artificial contraception. A political movement powerful enough to achieve *that* - in the face of just about every element of modern culture - would also have the power to shape the jurisprudence the way it wants.
Is that a yes?
Suddenly not so voluble when pressed to answer yes or no, Cal?
The anti-abortion folks are a minority, as reflected in opinion polls, yet that crowd is driving the push to overrule Roe v. Wade. See, e.g., https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-nation-s-demographic-divides-abortion-n1278210 A majority of Americans — 54 percent — believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Only 8 percent say it should be illegal “without any exceptions,” and 34 percent say it should be illegal “with exceptions.”
I don´t underestimate the influence of determined ideologues.
THE PERILS OF ANGLING FOR PUBLIC OPINION POLL SUPPORT
It depends a lot on how you phrase questions about abortion and what answer options are provided; then there is the matter of folks not knowing the difference between Roe and Casey, not to mention their particular State's regulation within the federal justice-devised parameters. Does it even make sense to aim for statements about what a majority "thinks" when there is a spectrum of opinion and multiple dimensions, including categorical questions that are emotionally charged for not primarily having to do with views of the human fetus/unborn child as such.
And who should count for purpsoes of public opinion? Registered voters only? Citizens? Adult residents? What about the age cut-off on the low end? If adolescents under 18 are having sex (or chosing to abstain for that matter), begetting offspring and getting pregnant, don't they have "standing" too to make a contribution to summaries and breakdowns said to represent the state of public opinion?
Finally, what about intensity of views? That is obviously relevant too. Just think of countries that use the referendum on social issues. Those with wishy-washy views may choose to not participate, allowing those with stronger commitment to have a greater impact on the for-against spit in the vote tally.
What flaw(s), if any, do you contend are present in the poll that I linked to? I read the article to indicate that the options were: abortion should “always” be legal (31 percent); abortion should be legal “most of the time” (23 percent); abortion should be illegal “with exceptions” (34 percent); and abortion should be illegal “without any exceptions” (8 percent). The universe was all American adults. Seems to me like pretty objective sampling.
That result is consistent with other polling as well. See, https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/06/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases/ (a 59% majority of U.S. adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 39% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases).
My point is that a determined minority can drive a political push to vitiate fundamental constitutional rights. Supporters of Griswold v. Connecticut should not be more complacent than supporters of Roe v. Wade.
But there is no determined minority to outlaw contraception. The number of people politically pushing that would fit in a phone booth if phone booths still existed.
As for the poll, the flaw is that "in most cases" doesn't capture actual views as to when abortion should be legal. It's like polls that say, "The government needs to spend far less on foreign aid," but then when you ask respondents how much should be spent on foreign aid, they pick a number that is more than we currently spend. They respond that we need to spend less not because they object to current spending levels but because they object to mistaken ideas about what current spending levels are.
If you ask people "Should abortion be legal most of the time" they say yes. But if you take a list of reasons why people get abortions and ask "should abortion be legal in situation X" they say "No" to most abortions. Here's an example; it's not particularly recent, but it's one I came across in a quick google and it illustrates my point:
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Oct. 23-24, 2007. N=900 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.
"Please tell me if you think abortion should be legal or illegal in each of the following situations . . . ."
"If the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest": 70 21 9
"If the pregnancy puts the mother's life at risk": 73 15 12
"If the pregnancy puts the mother's mental health at risk": 56 28 16
"If the baby has a fatal birth defect": 53 30 18
"If the pregnancy is unwanted": 39 50 11
(The three numbers are legal/illegal/unsure.)
So people in that poll strongly thought abortion should be legal in the incredibly rare rape/incest scenarios, or the uncommon life of the mother scenario. But support dropped off significantly in more common scenarios, and was less than 50% for the scenario in which the vast majority of actual abortions take place.
Right, elective abortions don't poll well even in the first trimester, once you get to the 2nd they're incredibly unpopular. I've made that point myself.
GOP or Dem, for the entirety of the neoliberal period, the following is true;
Inc. wins over non-Inc. every time and twice on Sunday.
The GOP is usually cooler with using loss-leaders like social issues as instruments in service of Inc. wins, but since Bill Clinton, the Dem establishment is just as cool with it.
But if there is a departure here, the worry is that a total non-Inc. win in Dobbs would leave the GOP with few other big ticket loss-leaders; perhaps just immigration. The problem is that Inc. likes immigration. So, work is being done on CRT in order to boogeyman it up into a decent loss leader. It seems to be working so far.