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Police Officers' Libel Lawsuit Against Seattle City Councilwoman Kshama Sawant Can Go Forward
From Judge Wallace Tashima's opinion (joined by Judges Milan Smith and Jacqueline Nguyen) in Miller v. Sawant, decided today by the Ninth Circuit (correctly, I think):
Plaintiffs Scott Miller and Michael Spaulding … are Seattle police officers who claim they were defamed by Defendant Kshama Sawant, a member of the Seattle City Council, through comments Sawant made about a deadly police shooting in which Plaintiffs were involved. The district court dismissed Plaintiffs' defamation claims on the ground that their third amended complaint … failed adequately to allege that Sawant's remarks were "of and concerning" them. We reverse.
Under the governing federal pleading standard, Plaintiffs plausibly have alleged that Sawant's communications were of and concerning them. First, Sawant's own words suggest that her remarks were directed not only at the police generally, but also at the individual officers involved in the shooting. She told the crowd that the shooting constituted "a blatant murder at the hands of the police," and she called for the Seattle Police Department to be held accountable "for their … individual actions."
Second, the complaint plausibly alleges that some of those who read or heard Sawant's remarks—Plaintiffs' families, friends, and colleagues, as well as members of the general public—knew that Plaintiffs were the officers involved in the shooting. Third, the complaint plausibly alleges that these readers and listeners understood that Sawant's remarks were directed at Plaintiffs. These allegations are sufficient.
In concluding otherwise, the district court reasoned that "[t]he statements Councilmember Sawant made do not target or single out Plaintiffs or any specific officers, but rather speak to broader issues of police accountability." At most, however, the district court has identified one reasonable interpretation of Sawant's words, not the only reasonable interpretation. Where a communication is capable of two meanings, one defamatory and one not, it is for a jury, not a judge, to determine which meaning controls….
The facts:
In February 2016, Plaintiffs shot and killed Che Taylor, a Black man, while attempting to make an arrest. {Plaintiffs assert that the shooting was lawful. The complaint alleges that the Seattle Police Department, the City's Force Investigation Team, the City's Firearms Review Board, and an inquest convened by the King County prosecutor all cleared Plaintiffs of punishable wrongdoing.}
A few days after the shooting, Sawant told a crowd in front of the Seattle Police Department: "The brutal murder of Che Taylor, just a blatant murder at the hands of the police, show[s] how urgently we need to keep building our movement for basic human rights for black people and brown people." She called for the Police Department to be held "accountable for their reprehensible actions, individual actions. We need justice on the individual actions and we need to turn the tide on the systematic police brutality and racial profiling."
In June 2017, following the fatal police shooting of Charleena Lyles, another person of color, Sawant repeated her allegation that "Che Taylor was murdered by the police." … Although Sawant had not identified Plaintiffs by name in her remarks, the complaint alleges that Plaintiffs' families, friends, and colleagues, as well as members of the general public, all knew that they were the officers who shot Taylor….
And some more details from the court's analysis:
[A]lthough Sawant's remarks appear aimed, at least in part, at the police generally, some of her language suggests that her words refer specifically to the officers who shot Taylor. Sawant asserted that Taylor's death was "a blatant murder at the hands of the police," and she called for the police to be held "accountable for their reprehensible actions, their individual actions. We need justice on the individual actions …." This language suggests that Sawant was singling out Plaintiffs—characterizing them as murderers and calling for them to be held individually accountable.
In addition, apart from Sawant's own words, the [Complaint] alleges that persons who heard or saw Sawant's remarks understood that they referred to Plaintiffs…. These allegations are neither conclusory nor implausible. Hence, they are entitled to a presumption of truth at this stage of the proceedings….
It may be, as the district court surmised, that some listeners or readers would understand Sawant's remarks as communicating solely criticism of the police generally. But that is only one reasonable meaning of the remarks, not the only such meaning….
We reject Sawant's argument that this case is controlled by New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964). In Sullivan, the plaintiff argued that an advertisement was "of and concerning" him because it criticized certain acts of the police department, which he oversaw in his capacity as a city commissioner. The Supreme Court held that there was insufficient evidence to show that the advertisement was of and concerning the plaintiff. This conclusion turned on the fact that the plaintiff had no "personal involvement in the acts in question." The plaintiff's theory instead relied on "the bare fact that he was in overall charge of the Police Department." …
Sullivan's reasoning is inapplicable here. First, Plaintiffs were personally involved in the acts in question—the Taylor shooting. As the California Court of Appeal has observed, "an entirely different picture would have been presented [in Sullivan] had the plaintiffs been police officers who were personally involved in the incidents referred to." Second, this case does not involve an "impersonal attack on government operations," and Plaintiffs do not administer the Seattle Police Department. The libel-on-government concerns underlying Sullivan, therefore, are absent here….
Sawant also raises a policy argument: "If police officers could transform their political critics into defamation defendants by relying on the conclusions of 'friends, families and colleagues' to satisfy the 'of and concerning' requirement," she contends, "then police could weaponize litigation to silence their critics." The law, however, makes clear that defamation claims may be based on how a communication is understood by individuals who know the plaintiffs….
Sawant, moreover, mischaracterizes Plaintiffs' allegations. Plaintiffs do not rely solely on the conclusions of the family, friends, and colleagues to satisfy the of-and-concerning requirement. There are two sets of allegations in the complaint that support the conclusion that Sawant's statements can reasonably be understood to refer to Plaintiffs: Sawant's words themselves, and the conclusions drawn by Plaintiffs' family, friends, and colleagues. If Plaintiffs had relied solely on the allegation that a friend or family member understood a communication to refer to Plaintiffs, this might be a different case. As the Restatement points out, a communication is of and concerning the plaintiff when recipients reasonably understand that it was intended to refer to the plaintiff. Restatement (Second) of Torts § 564 (1977). "It is not necessary that everyone recognize the [plaintiff] as the person intended," but "the fact that only one person believes that the plaintiff was referred to is an important factor in determining the reasonableness of his belief." Id. cmt. b. Here, Plaintiffs' allegations regarding family, friends, and colleagues are consistent with Sawant's words themselves. Their allegation that the communications were of and concerning them, therefore, clears the plausibility threshold.
We emphasize, moreover, that, at this stage of the case, it is not our function to decide whether Sawant is liable for defaming Plaintiffs. We hold only that Plaintiffs have plausibly pleaded the single element of their defamation claims at issue on this appeal—the of and concerning element….
The court doesn't deal with the separate question whether the label "murder" (1) should be seen as an opinion based on disclosed or widely known facts, much as saying "O.J. Simpson is a murderer" would be generally seen as opinion (opinions aren't actionable libel), or (2) should be seen as a claim that the Councilwoman knew some other undisclosed facts that show the police officers engaged in deliberate non-self-defense killing (such implicit factual assertions may be actionable libel, if they are factually false and said with the requisite mental state).
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Did I miss the mention that Che Taylor's family settled a wrongful death action for $1.5 million and that evidence indicates the officers lied during the "investigations" (by fellow local law enforcement officials) that "cleared" them?
I assume Che Taylor was Black, which is why Republicans are interested in defending the police officers (or, one might say in a less censored forum, providing "succor to cops").
Ready to start anew and permit free expression at your blog yet, Prof. Volokh?
Judge Tashima, who wrote the opinion, was appointed to the district court by Jimmy Carter and to the Ninth Circuit by Bill Clinton. Judge Nguyen was appointed to a California judgeship by Gray Davis and was appointed to both the district court and Ninth Circuit by Barack Obama.
Do you think they were mistaken to conclude that a reasonable person could have concluded that when Ms. Sawant said that Mr. Taylor was " murder[ed] at the hands of the police", she was talking about the police officer who shot him?
"Do you think"
No, he doesn't.
[he is muted but its 100% accurate so far]
You intended "its," not "it's," you bigoted rube.
A mistake like that on one of those residential deeds you proofreed for a living in rural Ohio could be costly -- some of those properties run $24,000, $28,000, even $30,000!
*Proofread.
What's a proofreed?
A very thin bit of evidence that will probably not bear the weight of supposition that it is expected to support.
Art is right. Bob should reed his posts before submitting.
Only ignorant rubes misspell a word now and then, although Bob’s was arguably an autocorrect problem.
But I does seem like Bob isn’t the only ignorant rube who isn’t reeding before posting.
Wow. That's pretty important context. Yes, it is not directly relevant to the legal issue decided here, but serving up this red meat to the usual suspects and including plaintiff's allegations that the officers were "cleared of wrongdoing" (which, itself, is not relevant to the issue being decided here) without mentioning that the supposed "clearing" was, at a bare minimum, quite contested and the product of officers lying under oath, is irresponsible reporting.
In that context, this lawsuit is egregious and just one more example of police officers using the law as a sword to silence their critics while also having the benefit of the qualified immunity shield. You cannot create a class of enforcers of the law who are above the law and, moreover, above criticism (whether via defamation suits like here or qualified immunity when they delete recordings of them abusing citizens or arresting a journalist, however obnoxious, for asking questions and printing the answers, etc., etc.).
" serving up this red meat to the usual suspects and including plaintiff's allegations that the officers were "cleared of wrongdoing" (which, itself, is not relevant to the issue being decided here) without mentioning that the supposed "clearing" was, at a bare minimum, quite contested and the product of officers lying under oath, is irresponsible reporting. "
That has become the Volokh Way -- shade accounts sketchily to lather his racist, gay-bashing, xenophobic, right-wing followers into a Hee-Hawing frenzy, and a break occasionally to jump up to nip at the ankles of legitimate journalists at the Times, Post, etc.
Carry on, clingers . . .
Well, if we had loser pays, if the jury disbelieves the cops the cops would have to pay up.
Have we adopted that system yet?
I mean, if they didn't do anything wrong, then they shouldn't be criticized for doing something wrong. But that speaks to the substantive merits of the case, not whether it should be dismissed.
"I mean, if they didn't do anything wrong, then they shouldn't be criticized for doing something wrong. "
In some objective world where there is a definite answer to that moral question and in a country in that world without the First Amendment.
People are allowed to have a difference of opinion as to whether the people given the authority to take people's lives are exercising that authority appropriately. Even if they are wrong (according to you, me, or an adjudication by anyone). Criticism of public officials is where First Amendment protections are at their highest.
In context, I don't think any reasonable person can construe the remark as indicating that the officers were tried and convicted of murder.
Eugene presented the example of calling OJ a murderer which, despite the fact that he was acquitted by a jury, is not libelous.
Here, if the people who thought the speaker was referring to specific police officers who she called murderers were the friends and family and so knew who was personally involved, and so that's why they reasonably understood who she was referring to, it is precisely those hearers who are least likely to be misled that she was accusing them of being guilty of the crime of murder under the law. They would be best positioned to know that she was, instead, expressing an opinion regarding what disputed evidence shows (the family did receive a wrongful death settlement of $1.5 million which is surely strong evidence of misconduct or, to be more precise, evidence that there was strong evidence of misconduct) and/or whether the standards for police conduct should be different than they are.
And, at the end of the day, it is poor form to sue people for libel for disagreeing with your actions when you killed a person, no matter how justified you and/or the law finds your actions. You took a life. It isn't beyond bounds for people to criticize that, or shouldn't be. They can't lie and say, this person was convicted of murder, but I think it should be fair game to say, "I think this man is a murderer for taking another's life!"
Should anti-war protestors be held liable for libel every time they call a soldier a murderer? That's just another way to stifle free speech. There are entire religions that believe killing in war is unjustified. They, as well as the nonreligious, should be free to express their views on these issues without being constrained to adopt the language of the people in power. "I disapprove of this justified killing!" Yeah, no.
It isn’t that some grieving relative or protester shared their opinion that the officers were murderers; it is a politician in a position to know the facts of the case saying they were murderers. And the most likely motive to do this is not to express grief or to change the system, but merely for political self-aggrandizement. I’m OK with using libel lawsuits to try to discourage that sort of thing. It should be part of the calculus for the political whores that the individuals they are smearing might sue them and take away some of the wealth they have accumulated through their “public service”.
Those are all fair points about her possible, maybe likely (I know nothing about her other than she is a councilwoman who said these things), motives in saying what she did. And maybe the bar should be lower to be able to sue public officials. But until qualified immunity for police officers is gone, I am not on board with punishing anyone for criticizing the police unless it is clear and unmistakable that the person lied about an objective fact in a way to smear the character or reputation of the police officer. This ain't that.
They ought not have special privilege to violate constitutional rights (which they do not even when they are ignorant of what the citizen's rights are, but just because a specific case is not on point, even if they were told and know that their conduct will violate a citizens' rights), but then also be shielded from criticism by an interpretation of libel of police officers that requires the community to accept the police department's characterization of events. That's authoritarianism, not freedom.
(And you agree that under your standard, Trump should be held liable for claiming various people committed treason when, obviously, they did not?)
" Eugene presented the example of calling OJ a murderer which, despite the fact that he was acquitted by a jury, is not libelous. "
Yes, but in that case the alleged killer was Black and in this case the decedent was Black, so it was easy to predict that Prof. Volokh -- whether because it reflects something unfortunate and personal along the line of his repeated usage of a vile racial slur, or perhaps just because he knows it will rile his bigoted right-wing followers -- would describe this case differently.
I phrased my statement very badly. All I meant to say was that there's nothing outrageous about police officers who are defamed suing their defamers. Whether these particular police officers were defamed is a separate question, but you seemed to be making a categorical claim that cops shouldn't be entitled to bring defamation claims because they have so much immunity.
To be clear, based on my narrow understanding of the facts of this case, I think the cops should probably lose on the merits; saying that a controversial and disputed shooting is a murder should be interpreted as a statement of opinion. And the cops should be understood as public figures required to show actual malice.
But I do think the particular issue addressed above — the "of and concerning" factor — is a poor one for dismissing the case.
I agree with you on each of those points.
I just think, as you put it, the actual malice standard should apply to police officers regarding actions in their official duties and, moreover, I think it is a nearly insurmountable burden to get from person A (particularly a police officer or other public official) kills someone and Person B describes Person A as a "murderer" to Person B has libeled Person A as being an actual felon, as opposed to offering an opinion that they are morally culpable for taking a life.
And the police suing people for criticizing them, whether characterized as defamation or otherwise, is a bit galling to me, given qualified immunity, the fact that they did kill a person, and, in this case, there are allegations which the judge seems to have considered quite plausible, that the police fabricated exonerating evidence.
If the police did fabricate evidence, then they should be held accountable both for defaming the victim (what's worse than manufacturing evidence to smear someone's character or just saying something provably false?) and also for perjury, lying to an officer of the law, or whatever criminal charge their actual conduct would warrant if, as the judge suggests, they lied. Our system cannot function as a justice system if it tolerates police officers lying. That there seem to be significant, police-favorable discrepancies from later proven facts in police reports allegedly documenting nearly every high profile case raises the uncomfortable specter that lying to convict citizens and/or exonerate fellow officers is rampant. (If they were just honest mistakes, they wouldn't always end up favoring the police.)
"...the supposed 'clearing' was, at a bare minimum, quite contested and the product of officers lying under oath..."
So, where are you getting this "the supposed 'clearing' was...the product of officers lying under oath" bit?
Why would the court mention the former? It doesn't prove anything except that Seattle or its insurer is a soft touch. And the idea that you know of any evidence that the officers lied suffers from the fact that there's no evidence mentioned at your link that that is true.
Or perhaps you are talking about this?
(Your link, published December 7, 2020)
Except that that is apparently either misleading, or ignorance, because we have this in a story published June 28, 2016:
Looks to me like Taylor stashed the gun under his seat, and maybe having the gun in his hand is what got him shot.
Here's the shooting: https://vimeo.com/198281037
forgot: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/review-finds-seattle-police-shooting-of-che-taylor-fell-within-department-policy/
"Why would the court mention the former?"
Good point. The record before the court might have closed before troubling evidence of the officers' conduct emerged.
That point does not rescue Prof. Volokh, however.
EV doesn't need any "rescue" for a failure to mention something with no probative value whatsoever as to whether the officers committed murder, particularly in a post which is almost entirely a quotation of the court's opinion that their libel case can proceed.
What IS unrescued is your claim, on the basis of no evidence whtsoever that you have bothered to inform us about, that the officers lied. Of course, given that you're you, I simply assumed that you pulled that claim from your butt even before checking that your link wasn't to some pointless youtube video, as you've done here.
That NOVA Lawyer evidently took your word for it is a sereious lapse in judgement on his part. In fact it clearly indicates that he is a person of no judgement whatsoever.
911, what is your emergency?
This is Kshama Sawant, a member of the Seattle City Council, and someone is trying to break into my house! They have a gun!
Hold please - - - - - - - - - -
The good news is that many of the officers who might take that approach are being cleared from police forces by a combination of vaccination requirements and the bad officers' antisocial stupidity.
No need to talk about defunding police when you can simply fire the bad apples for good cause.
Wow, Longtobefree, I am not sure I have seen someone with a more scathing view of the moral character of your average police officer.
I'll buy the dispatcher coffee and a donut. Sawant can wait.
Btw, it's not police officers who answer 911 calls.
BTW, it's pretty clear he's talking about the institution, and your pedantry is just lame.
BTW, it's pretty clear he's talking about the institution
The lame bullshit here is all yours (as usual). What he responded to was an explicit hypothetical exchange between a 9-1-1 operator and a caller to that service. No LEOs or any other members of whatever "institution" you're babbling about were involved.
This is stupid, if for no other reason than that dispatchers generally are LEOs. But even if they aren't in Seattle, it has nothing to do with the fascist point that the awful poseurs Longtobefree and GandyDancer was making.
Wrong. Non-LEO dispatchers are cheaper than LEOs, and are therefor employed in preference to LEO's wherever the municipality is large enough so that it's a job. Such a Seattle. Or Twin Lakes, FL.
Was CHOP in Portland or Seattle? Ah, yes, Seattle. It would only be karma for the members of the Seattle City Council to get what's coming to them.
"dispatchers generally are LEOs"
I don't claim exhaustive knowledge, but that's not the case in any of the several jurisdictions I am aware of, spread across several regions. Googling doesn't seem to indicate it is common either.
911 operators haven't been police officers in Seattle for many years. They used to be. Book Plug: 'The Real Police' by David Ziskin talks about the long ago days when the call center was run by crusty old sergeants. They liked to use the building pneumatic tube system (which is a clue to the era) as an ashtray for the omnipresent cigars (another clue to the era). In any event, it's a fascinating peek into 1980's/1990's policing.
This is stupid
Thanks for that helpful preamble, letting us know how dumb the comment that follows it will be.
if for no other reason than that dispatchers generally are LEOs.
Uh, no. 9-1-1 operators are not LEOs (unless they're cops moonlighting). In Seattle they *might* have experience as PD dispatchers (who are also not LEOs themselves), as that is one of the options from the list of qualifications for the job. But that does not make them LEOs.
But even if they aren't in Seattle, it has nothing to do with the fascist point...
Oh, FFS. Grow up.
Wow, Longtobefree, I am not sure I have seen someone with a more scathing view of the moral character of your average police officer.
You're under the impression that 9-1-1 lines are answered by cops?
Pretty clearly, you recognize Longtobefree's hypothetical as so outrageously immoral and unethical that you'd rather get into a detailed discussion as to who he thinks is the moral monster that would shirk their sworn duty in order to pursue their own personal vendetta. That is not a justice system.
Why not, instead, just acknowledge that his scenario is the essence of abuse of power and an out of control, unaccountable "protector" class?
Perhaps Longtobefree will respond and clarify that he never, ever intended to suggest that the police would fail to respond to an emergency where one of their critics' lives was in danger, but only that 911 call center operators would. Because that makes sense as a rhetorical point. /sarc
That was a lot of verbiage just to avoid acknowledging that you got your panties in such a twist that you either didn't understand what you were reading or felt compelled to lie about what you read.
So, you believe Longtobefree only meant to besmirch the professionalism, morality, and ethics of 911 operators?
So, you believe Longtobefree only meant to besmirch the professionalism, morality, and ethics of 911 operators?
False dichotomies are amateur hour dishonest arguments. It's time to step up your game.
No, I believe he meant to make a tongue-in-cheek comment...of the sort very commonly made by many people...suggesting that it would be a measure of some sort of justice if a politician who IS publicly besmirching the professionalism, morality and/or ethics of LEOs were to find herself unable to avail herself of their services if needed. There was absolutely no suggestion in his comment that any 9-1-1 operators or any LEOs would actually take part in such a denial of those services.
Are you actually incapable of discerning the difference between...
"It would serve her right if person X took action Y."
...and...
"I predict that person X will actually take action Y."
...?
That's a lot of words to obfuscate your immoral stance that: "It would serve her right if person X took action Y."
But thanks for clearing up that you are all in for the idea that shirking your professional responsibilities if you don't like the person you are supposed to help is "some sort of justice". It isn't justice at all. It's the opposite of justice.
That's a lot of words to obfuscate your immoral stance that: "It would serve her right if person X took action Y."
That's even more of an amateur bit of bullshit than your previous attempt. That is, unless you really are so stupid that you don't know the difference between "This is what he said" and "I'm saying this". Of course, you could be both dishonest AND stupid.
After going back over the thread...as well as recalling your history in general...I'm going to have to put my money on you being just another garden-variety pathologically dishonest, cowardly asshole.
So you agree that what Longtobefree suggested is absolutely immoral, unethical, and unprofessional and anyone who abuses their position like that should be held in disgrace?
Wuz, you have a well-documented trollish history. I do not. People can judge accordingly regarding whether you or I am intentionally evading the central principle here.
If you want to do more than troll, answer whether Longtobefree's hypothetical was a funny bit of "rough justice" or, at best, making light of an egregious abuse of power that should not be considered as acceptable in any manner whatsoever.
But, then, the GOP standard bearer says "Hang Pence" is a common sense reaction to Pence's performing an entirely ministerial task as required rather than trying to unconstitutionally install Trump as President. Something is seriously wrong with the right when this sort of rhetoric is acceptable. In normal times, with a normal party, such sentiments would be limited to anonymous internet trolls like Longtobefree, instead they are coming from the leader of the GOP.
"cowardly asshole": one who tries to deflect from criticism of posited immoral abuse of power with a pedantic argument about who abused their power in the hypothetical, while shamefully failing to acknowledge there was any abuse of power in the hypo at all.
Address the substance, not the window dressing, Wuz. Then at least you'll just be an asshole and not a coward too.
So you agree that what Longtobefree suggested is absolutely immoral, unethical, and unprofessional and anyone who abuses their position like that should be held in disgrace?
Whether I agree/disagree with any assessment of the morality (or any other quality) of his statement is utterly irrelevant with regard to the fact that you willfully and repeatedly misrepresented the actual contents of his statement, and all your attempts at misdirection aren't going to change that...you cowardly lying asshole.
"cowardly asshole": one who tries to deflect from criticism of his own stupidity and dishonest misrepresentations of others' comments by repeatedly attacking the character of others via dishonest accusation based on things that those people never actually said.
And all the judges said was that a jury *could* believe she was talking about those cops. They don't seem to have dealt with the other issues.
She was clearly talking about the plaintiffs.
Sawant is an idiot who has made Seattle politics even more toxic but it's pretty clear that she didn't mean that their actions were legally murder but rather that the killing was unjustified, a statement of opinion.
She said it was blatant murder, which I certainly take as an allegation that it was legally murder. She can claim otherwise... at trial.
but it's pretty clear that she didn't mean that their actions were legally murder
What was it that made that particular interpretation "pretty clear"?
Again, what is the factual damage of those remarks, outside of hurt feelings with no value whatsoever? If damage can be found, then sue the people who caused it, not the utterer of the remarks.
The "people who caused it" is her. What the damage is will be determined at trial.
She did not fire him, exclude him from a club, leave a marriage, expel him from a church. Others did. Sue them for the damages caused by a decision based on false information.
That's not the way defamation works. E.g., the Covington Kids sued the WaPo and CNN, etc., because it was the WaPo and CNN, etc. that defameded them, not any individuals in Covington, Ky who recognized the Covington High Scool students who were being called racists and did or did not take the allegation to be true.
A reminder, folks, that at the motion to dismiss stage judges only decide whether plaintiff has plausibly alleged the tort complianes of. The issue of whether the plaintiff has evidence to back up those claims comes later, at the summary judgment claims.
It might turn out that the councilwoman here has a good defense, and might even be able to establish that her statements were substantially true, or at least substantial enough plausibilty so as not to be reckless or actual malice.
But all that is irrelevant to a motion to dismiss. All the judge is concerned about here is whether the plaintiff has claimed a violation of law. The question whether that allegation is supported by the evidence comes later.
One of the issues covered by the Michigan Supreme Court when Jack Kevorkian sued for libel on grounds his behavior didn’t constitute murder is that when there is a dispute about what the law should or should not prohibit, the First Amendment gives advocates of prohibition some degree of freedom to denounce conduct they believe ought to be unlawful. The First Amendment prohibited Jack Kevorkian, the spokesperson and examplar for assisted suicide of the 1990s, from suing people who insisted that what he did was and ought to be punished as murder.
For this reason, the fact that what the police officers did in this case may have been legal (I do not know this) may not be enough for the councilwoman’s speech to be defamatory. The councilwoman may have been entitled to express the opinion that the police officers’ conduct should not be legal and ought to constitute, and ought to be punished as, murder.
The 9th Circuit didn’t appear to have recognized this issue. It seems to have taken the position that if what the police officers did was legal, then accusing them of murder is inherently libelous.
It appears that Sawant’s lawyers didn’t raise Kevorkian v. American Medical Association, and relied exclusively on a claim that her statements didn’t actually identify the defendants. Kevorkian v. AMA would seem more apt. He was, after all, identified by name. And it seems Sawant’s real concern was exactly that inhibiting the ability to be outraged at conduct in the context of s public debate about whether such conduct should be legal or not violated her freedom to advocate for greater restrictions on the conduct, which is very similar to what Kevorkian v. AMA was about.
Perhaps it wouldn’t be fair to police officers who happen to be involved in shootings to consider them as the equivalent of public spokespersons for liberal police shooting rules. The analogy to Kevorkian is not a perfect one. But nonetheless, the idea underlying Kevorkian, that people who want to criminalize currently legal conduct get some leeway to denounce that conduct and the people known for doing 8it, and the fact that it currently happens to be legal does not automatically render spirited denunciations of it per se libelous, may still be relevant.
The councilwoman may have been entitled to express the opinion that the police officers’ conduct should not be legal and ought to constitute, and ought to be punished as, murder.
Did she say that it "should be" murder? Or did she say that it was murder?
The American Medical association said that what Jack Kevorkian did WAS murder, and won.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1312032.html
The American Medical association said that what Jack Kevorkian did WAS murder, and won.
So first off, you're not even alleging that the letter in question stated that what Kevorkian did "ought to be punished, as murder". You're alleging that it explicitly said that what he did was murder. Secondly, that is not at all accurate. What the letter actually said was that Kevorkian was a "killer" and that he engaged in "criminal practices". The suit alleged that...
"referring to plaintiff as both a criminal and a killer in the same document could lead to the inference that plaintiff was a murderer"
So, no...the AMA (via Johnson's letter) did not explicitly say that what Kevorkian did "was murder". The plaintiff was claiming that a reader could be led to infer that.
"was murder"
Oops. "was a murderer".
ReaderY's second comment strangely contradicts what he said immediately above it.
Libel (or -- I'd have to reread the post -- maybe it was slander): https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel
I'm not sure what you mean. The Kevorkian suit did allege libel (as the accusations were made in a letter), and it's essentially the only material fact that ReaderY actually got right.
No, Kevorkian vs. AMA held that Jack Kevirkian’s allegations did not make out a claim for libel on a motion to dismiss, not that he didn’t have evidence to support his claims. So the case is potentially relevant to whether the police officers have valid claims for libel on a motion to dismiss. The analogies between Kevorkian’s situation and the police officers, and between what the councilwoman said and the AMA said, are both far from exact, and there is potential to argue the cases are distinguishable. But there is some basis for arguing the two contexts are analogous.
What I was disagreeing with in my first comment was people who said the judge must be biased in favor of the police because of evidence the shooting really was unlawful. The motion to dismiss stage just asks whether, accepting the plaintiff’s allegations as true, the plaintiff has alleged a violation of the law, not whether the plaintiff’s allegations were proven.
The analogies between Kevorkian’s situation and the police officers, and between what the councilwoman said and the AMA said, are both far from exact
In fact they're so different that your attempt to cite the former as any sort of basis for a position on the latter is ridiculous, and was caused by you not even knowing what was actually said in the letter or what the suit alleged about it ('m giving you the benefit of the doubt here by assuming ignorance on your part, because the alternative is intentionally dishonest misrepresentation of the facts).
What? No qualified immunity? 🙂
Evidently City Councilwoman doesn't rate the impunity Fauxcahontas got in the Covington Kids case.
... Is should have said "Covington Kid" (Nick Sandmann). Dunno if Elizabeth Warren got impunity in Robert Barnes' suit for the other Covington Kids, though I assume she did or will.