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Making Sense of the S.B. 8 Rocket Docket
The Court seems to want to resolve the S.B. 8 procedural issue before Dobbs is even argued.
In recent weeks, I've urged the Supreme Court to resolve the S.B. 8 cases not on the shadow docket, but on the rocket docket. I wondered if the Court would schedule the cases for December, along with Dobbs. Or whether the Court would hear the case in January or February, as a caboose to Dobbs. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Today, the Court issued two orders that places both S.B. 8 cases on the super-fast track.
First, in United States v. Texas, the Court granted the petition for certiorari before judgment, but did not grant a stay. The grant was limited to a single question presented:
May the United States bring suit in federal court and obtain injunctive or declaratory relief against the State, state court judges, state court clerks, other state officials, or all private parties to prohibit S.B. 8 from being enforced.
As I read the order, the Court did not grant Texas's cross-petition, which called on the Court to overrule Roe and Casey. The briefing schedule is blistering. Only the procedural question is present. Opening briefs are due on October 27; reply briefs are due on October 29; arguments are set for November 1. The entire process will be complete in roughly eleven days. Without doing more research, I think this is the fastest briefing schedule since Bush v. Gore.
Justice Sotomayor wrote a six-page dissent. She repeatedly referred to pregnant "women," without a footnote about gender identity. Call the cancellation squad.
Second, in Whole Woman's Health v. Jackson, the Court granted cert before judgment. The Court set the same briefing schedule as in the United States case. This case has only one question presented:
The question presented is whether a State can insulate from federal-court review a law that prohibits the exercise of a constitutional right by delegating to the general public the authority to enforce that prohibition through civil actions.
There was no cross-petition here. Thus, neither case presents any questions on the merits.
My tentative take: the Court wants to settle both procedural questions by the end of this month, before Dobbs is argued. At that point, the Court will allow the Fifth Circuit to proceed to decide the case, with alacrity. And, presumably, both Texas cases may come back to the Court in January or so. The Court can then resolve both cases in the wake of Dobbs.
Given that the Court did not grant a stay here, I do not think there are five votes to stop S.B. 8. But there may be some strange compromise with this accelerated briefing schedule.
One final note. The Texas Attorney General was not given a fair deal here. The Supreme Court had already accelerated arguments in Ramirez v. Collier for November 1. Presumably, Texas SG Judd Stone was going to argue that case. Now, the Supreme Court has asked the Texas SG to brief and argue two other cases. This time schedule will stretch the office thin. The Court should move the Ramirez arguments.
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"...Justice Sotomayor wrote a six-page dissent. She repeatedly referred to pregnant "women," without a footnote about gender identity. Call the cancellation squad...."
I don't get it. I mean; I get that Josh is being a smartass and is attempting to be clever and humorous. But I'm not getting this at all. (There's lots of humor I do "get," even when I personally don't find it funny. Any Andrew Dice Clay, for example. Most Adam Sandler. Any Dennis Miller within the past 20+ years. Etc.)
Not been following the "pregnant people" re-naming due to women asserting they are men but can be pregnant?
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=51830#:~:text=%22Pregnant%20people%22%20is%20plain%2C%20direct%20language%20that%20neither,or%20%22preganant%20women%2C%20pregnant%20men%2C%20and%20pregnant%20enbies%22.
There are no so blind as those who will not see.
Yeah, being literally blind isn’t a big deal. Being figuratively blind is much worse. Wow.
"I don't get it".
https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/my-body/pregnancy-health/trans-and-nonbinary-people-can-be-pregnant-too/
Ah, thanks. Something I was completely unaware of. I'm not really understanding why Josh's "surprise" is specifically directed at Justice S. But I gather that she made some (extra-judicial??) comments in the past that provide context, yes?
To paraphrase a famous saying: "You can dissect humor just as you can dissect a frog. But both tend to die in the process."
I think we can safely say, as a Justice, Sotomayor falls on the liberal side.
And seeing as how there are these "language" changes in regards to other items. And in regards to the pushing of the transgender ideology...I'm sure he found it amusing that Sotomayor wasn't as PC as the liberal cause would like.
If she's fully woke why isn't Sotomayor referring to "pregnant men and women"?
Because she's got lifetime job security, so she doesn't have to put up with the complete nonsense in order to avoid being canceled.
I actually thought that was a good thing for Prof. Blackman to point out. SCOTUS does adopt a lot of activist language: "noncitizens", for instance. But there's no interest in "pregnant people" even from the most liberal female justice. That's notable.
How about “future recipients of amnesty”?
good suggestion
"One final note. The Texas Attorney General was not given a fair deal here."
Yeah. So what' your point? Why be fair to someone who thinks killing babies is wrong?
You keep trying this joke. It isn't getting any funnier.
Josh seems puzzled by the speed. Maybe he ought to consider whether anything that S.B. 8 purports to govern is at all time sensitive.
Prof. Blackman is correct. The last case taken this fast to the merits was Bush v. Gore. And even though abortion IS time-sensitive, the Court has heard a number of cases despite the mootness of the pregnancy, including Roe v. Wade itself. Pregnancy is clearly capable of repetition yet evasive of review, so there's no mootness issue.
Perhaps all abortion cases should be heard on the rocket docket because of the concern you are adverting to, but that's not how SCOTUS has acted in the past.
Siunce SB8 doesn't actually prohibit post-heartbeat but pre-viable fetus abortions I'm not seeing the time-sensitivity.
But, then, it seems that the Court collectively DOES imagine that SB8 "prohibits the exercise of a constitutional right", so it appears that they are confused on that point. Perhaps the TX AG can educate them on this, or perhaps they will proveineducable.
This comment is at best only a weak snark
My take: They recognize the political implications and implications for rights they don't disdain, so want to quickly use SB8 to reassure everyone 'oh look how neutral we are' and stop talk of retaliatory laws on guns et al. by finding some way to nix it, thereby calming things down before sticking a knife in with Dobbs to finish Roe and Casey off for good.
No doubt Roberts wanted to do this in the first place; has he convinced a partner?
so want to quickly use SB8 to reassure everyone ‘oh look how neutral we are’
If that's the plan it's pretty stupid. They have effectively overturned Roe even more quickly than intended. That doesn't advertise neutrality, it advertises made-up minds.
No, this case will not result in overturning Roe. Things have been structured so that Roe will remain law until after this case is decided. See my comment below.
Not technically, but as a practical matter almost all abortions are now banned in Texas, Roe notwithstanding.
Abortions are not banned in TX. Any abortionist who wants to can go right ahead and perorm any Casey-legal abortion he wants and he will not have to pay any damages, costs, or suffer injunctive relief. That's what SB8 actually says.
Now if SCOTUS "overturns" Casey they might become liable later for abortions now, but the way SCOTUS frames the question to be addressed provides further proof (since it adopts the pro-abortion framing) that that's not going to happen.
My guess is that, while Roe and Casey are still law, the court will rule that SB8 can be challenged in federal court and the district court will then promptly enjoin it.
The Supreme Court will then make a merits devision solely on the Mississippi case.
If it overrules Roe, It will then take its sweet time lifting the injunction on SB8.
My guess is it is will structure things to send a message that states who offer direct challenges (like Mississippi) will end up better off than states who use this kind of tactic.
And if the district court enjoins it what happens at the appeals court?
Again, SCOTUS can't enjoin a law. It can only enjoin enforcement of the law.
My guess: The USvTX question will be answered in the negative.
The WWHvJ question assumes a counterfactual, so I don't know what will happen. How many votes were necessary to pose that question?
That's about what I've been predicting: That they'll at least trim back Roe and Casey, but put the kibosh on SB8's citizen enforcement mechanism.
Mind, the really problematic part of that mechanism isn't the citizen enforcement. That's a fine way of enforcing laws local prosecutors may not like.
The problematic part is retroactive liability for conduct the courts were saying was constitutionally protected at the time you engaged in it. I really can't see the Court not putting a stop to that.
I think they have to roll Roe and Casey all the way back but with rape and health of the mother exceptions. Really they shouldn’t have those exceptions but because the justices are Republican operatives they don’t want nutty Republicans in state legislatures producing blowback by forcing women to have rape babies and die giving birth.
Btw, that woman that was prosecuted in Oklahoma for having a miscarriage means the Santorums should be prosecuted under the same rationale for their reckless behavior that resulted in miscarriages/child endangerment.
The woman that was prosecuted in Oklahoma was prosecuted under an Oklahoma law what was specifically about taking illegal recreational drugs during pregnancy.
What The Fuck would that have to do with the Santorums in Pennsylvania? Even the general reasoning behind the Oklahoma law would only apply if there was a similar law in Pennsylvania.
He's been on this tear where he claims that having sex while under a higher than ideal chance of miscarriage ought to be treated by abortion foes as morally equivalent to abortion.
So, because the Santorums aren't 20 something, they're abortionists...
“Higher than ideal”?? An over 46 year old couple raw doggin’ it has two outcomes upon conception—the embryo dies a quick death or a baby is born with severe birth defects.
I've already pointed out to you that isn't what the actual statistics say.
Parental age and birth defects: a sibling study
You're full of it, and I'm moderately certain you know it.
It's Sebastian Cremmington. There's no reason to express uncertainty.
Mind, the really problematic part of that mechanism isn’t the citizen enforcement. That’s a fine way of enforcing laws local prosecutors may not like.
It's a lousy way. If you think prosecutors abuse their power what happens when anyone who takes a dislike to you can start "enforcing laws" against you?
"Gee, I saw Bellmore giving a young woman who might have been pregnant a ride to a doctor's office. Think I'll sue his ass."
Even if you like this sort of vigilante thing - I don't - shouldn't you want some sort of serious penalty for overzealous citizen enforcers.
Your entire case rests on your disapproval of the law in question. Suppose the law were against assault, and the local prosecutor didn't prosecute assault cases if he disliked the victim, or liked the perpetrator?
Your entire case rests on your disapproval of the law in question.
Well, sort of, but in the way you think.
If the law was against assault, as you describe, I still think it would be bad. How does a "citizen prosecutor" gather evidence, investigate, etc.? Of course the actual law deals with a civil case, not a criminal one, but do you like the idea of lots of assholes snooping around everywhere to try to hit someone for $10K?
And of course you overlook the other point I raised. Under the Texas law bringing a lawsuit is a free shot. So in that sense yeah, my case is partly motivated by specific features of the law.
"How does a “citizen prosecutor” gather evidence, investigate, etc.?"
Funny thing. Civil assault cases are real. You can indeed sue someone for assault. And they gather evidence and investigate in the same way that any civil case does. Hire a lawyer, and the lawyer gathers the evidence and investigates, or the lawyer hires someone who does the investigation.
Now, typically the victim needs to bring the civil assault charges. But not always. Parents in many cases can sue people for assaulting their children. The children themselves don't need to sue. Now that we've established the victim doesn't necessarily need to sue. One type of civil case where the direct victim doesn't sue regards civil wrongful death trials. Because the direct victim is...dead, and thus can't bring the case. And this a third party will always bring the suit.
Still, how does that relate to the current SB8 system?
My favorite are large class action lawsuits. This is where a group of lawyers certifies a class of people...a very large class of people...for some malfeasance by a corporation. The lawyers get a large settlement from the corporation (or a jury win), typically in the million plus dollar range. And the lawyers take their 40%. A nice payday. But because the class is so large (a million people), each individual person gets a pittance, less than a dollar. And sometimes that pittance doesn't even come, it's donated to a third party charity by the courts.
bernard, on the basis of history, a citizen prosecutor rounds up a budget from like-minded (or like-prejudiced) folks with deep pockets, and then hires private detectives (think Pinkertons) to do the investigating. The private investigators proceed without oversight by anyone, bribing, lying, corrupting juries, infiltrating opposing legal teams with informants, whatever it takes.
So, kind of like government prosecutors, only with a bit less power.
Except there are potentially many more of them.
And they can't be removed from office.
Two words, Brett:
Ahmaud Arbery.
The Ahmaud Arbery case is an argument against citizen prosecution of civil torts?
I think he's aiming for the idea that Arbery was killed by the McMichaels as part of a private investigation into neighborhood thefts?
And then stretching that to try to imply that allowing these sorts of laws will result in more street shootouts?
Brett, the larger problem was exampled in late 19th century – early 20th century cases, where business interests used private enforcements to break unions, often with state government connivance. They showed pretty clearly the dangers of putting the power of prosecution into unaccountable private hands.
Yes, private prosecution can be problematic, just as government prosecution can be. My point was that Bernard's entire case against it rested on the notion that it was private prosecution of a bad law.
Which is not going to persuade anybody who isn't pro-choice already.
I think the real legal problem here isn't going to be citizen prosecution. It's going to be liability for acts engaged in at a time when the courts were telling the actor that the conduct was constitutionally protected.
Bernard’s entire case against it rested on the notion that it was private prosecution of a bad law.
Not true, of course, but don't let that stop you.
Or rather, it's not true that my argument rests on the notion that the law is about abortion rather than assault, say. Yes, I don't like it because it's about abortion, but my complaint here is about the enforcement mechanisms, including lack of recourse against frivolous prosecutions, which I think are extremely dangerous, whatever the underlying offense.
Read my whole comment, Brett, not just the hypothetical part about you.
This is what we already have with libel, slander, and intentional infliction of emotional distress laws.
This is what we had with lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
SCOTUS has already allowed a conviction to stand when the controlling precedent at the time of the "crime", declaring that it WASN'T a crime, was subsequently reversed. Rehnquist decision, Walker v US. 1980s, iirc. It's distinguishable, but that's what happened.
Let me restate that to be clearer: The claim made repeatedly here is that it is a violation of due process for someone to be criminally convicted of an act committed when the controlling precedent was that the act was not criminal. SCOTUS' decision in Walker says otherwise.
It says that in regards to a lower court's precedent, " since conflicting cases from other Courts of Appeals made review of the merits by this Court and a decision against respondent's position reasonably foreseeable."
That is not a rationale that applies to the Court's own precedents.
I misremembered the name. It was US v RODGERS (1984). And it wasn't a conviction that was allowed to proceed, it was an indictment allowed to stand. Unanimous Court.
That's still SCOTUS over-ruling a lower court precedent, not its own, when deciding that conduct which was not criminal when committed under that lower court's precedent was still criminal.
Note: The Supreme Court deferred the question of a stay until after argument, suggesting that id it decides in the United States’ favor, it will grant a stay itself.
Also, Justice Sotomeyor concurred in the grant of cert. She dissented only on the decision to defer granting a stay.
That it deferred the stay suggests that it doesn't believe that the US will succeed on the merits. That's out here in the real world.
They don't believe that the injunction against every judge and court clerk in Texas will be reinstated. If I were on the Supreme Court I would say that under the unique circumstances of the case the U.S. may seek declaratory but not injunctive relief against Texas. That would effectively end the law without upholding the stayed injunction.
Update for you:
Ramirez v. Collier moved to the second argument on 11/9.
Shinn v. Ramirez not yet rescheduled for argument but I'd guess January.
I'm curious if Sotamayor isn't cancelled by her use of "pregant women", will Blackman admit his point is stupid and he's a histrionic ninny?