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Texas Files Emergency Motion For Stay In S.B. 8 Case
"This Court’s immediate intervention is necessary to vindicate Texas’s sovereign interest in preventing a single federal district court from superintending every Texas court."
Less than 48 hours after a federal court enjoined S.B. 8, Texas has filed an emergency motion for a stay with the Fifth Circuit. Texas asked for an administrative stay "as soon as possible," and an emergency stay pending appeal by Tuesday.
Here is the summary of the argument:
The United States has obtained an injunction prohibiting the adjudication of suits in state court under a law to which it will never be subject, against a State which can never enforce the law, based on real-world disputes which do not affect it, through a cause of action Congress has never authorized. This Court's immediate intervention is necessary to vindicate Texas's sovereign interest in preventing a single federal district court from superintending every Texas court.
The district court's injunction violates the separation of powers at every turn. First, the district court exceeded Article III's limits. The federal government is an improper plaintiff because it has no standing to "merely litigat[e] as a volunteer the personal claims of its citizens." Pennsylvania v. New Jersey, 426 U.S. 660, 665 (1976) (per curiam). And Texas is an improper defendant because it "has no interest ad-verse to" those challenging the constitutionality of S.B. 8, which is enforced through private litigation. Muskrat v. United States, 219 U.S. 346, 361 (1911).
Second, the district court wrongly granted an injunction in a proceeding Congress never authorized. Indeed, Congress's detailed remedial scheme for the enforcement of Fourteenth Amendment rights precludes recognition of the free-floating cause of action "at equity" that the district court found. The United States cannot seek such an extraordinary, novel form of equitable relief when Congress has denied it a cause of action through which to do so.
Third, a federal court cannot enjoin a state court "from proceeding in [its] own way to exercise jurisdiction," Ex parte Young, 209 U.S. 123, 163 (1908), let alone enjoin all of a State's courts from doing so. Such an injunction—which the district court ordered—is "a violation of the whole scheme of our government." Id.; see also Whole Woman's Health v. Jackson, No. 21-50792, 2021 WL 4128951, at *5 (5th Cir. Sept. 10, 2021) (per curiam). A court "cannot lawfully enjoin the world at large," Alemite Mfg. Corp. v. Staff, 42 F.2d 832, 832 (2d Cir. 1930) (Hand, J.), let alone hold Texas responsible for the filings of private citizens that Texas is powerless to prevent.
The district court refused to even consider the State's request for a stay, concluding that Texas "forfeited the right to any such accommodation" because its law was "offensive." App.937. The State respectfully requests an emergency stay pending appeal by Tuesday, October 12, 2021, at 9:00 a.m., and an administrative stay as soon as possible to prevent it from being held in contempt for the actions of third parties it cannot and does not control.
The panel may issue an administrative stay. Over the past 48 hours, Whole Woman's Health has resumed performing abortions, but Planned Parenthood has not.
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Can a motions panel order everybody involved in the case flogged, or do they have to limit themselves to administrivia?
Does Texas have standing to file? How have they been harmed?
What kind of bizarre case do you think this is, where the defendant -- which is also the subject of an injunction -- has no recourse to the appeals court?
One where the defendant was ordered not to do something that they were already legally forbidden from doing?
" As set out above, this Court has the authority to enjoin the private individuals who act on behalf of the State or act in active concert with the State, including the Intervenors, and that
injunction would be commensurate in scope with S.B. 8’s grant of enforcement power. However, the Court need not craft an injunction that runs to the future actions of private individuals per se,
but, given the scope of the injunctions discussed here and supported by law, those private individuals’ actions are proscribed to the extent their attempts to bring a civil action under Texas
Health and Safety Code § 171.208 would necessitate state action that is now prohibited. "
Sure, and then one of those private individuals should ask for a stay.
Did you miss the "would necessitate state action that is now prohibited" part?
It is a paradox indeed. The injunction appears to forbid something that cannot happen.
Private individuals are not enjoined. State judges and court clerks are prohibited from entertaining SB8 lawsuits.
A person with knowledge of an injunction may not help the target of the injunction violate it.
Texas state judges are direct targets of the injunction.
And clerks, somehow. But the judges can't be enjoined on the theory that they will otherwise go ahead and award damages in defiance of Casey and the plain wording of SB8. That's crazy talk. Pitman's injunction has anyway, unsurprisingly, been stayed. Temporarily, for now, but it's a no-hoper.
Not at all surprising as the 5th circuit had already said in Whole Women's Health that an injunction against state judges would be improper.
So then why did the district court order the state to do something that it was already legally forbidden to do? Is the judge planning on holding the entire state in contempt of court?
*...order the state not to do something...
Presumably just whichever person files a suit under SB 8.
Individuals filing suit would not be subject to contempt proceedings. The state actors who are enjoined -- state court judges and court clerks -- likely would be.
That's what I came here to ask too. I thought this whole business had nothing to do with them.
In fact, I briefly wondered whether, by asking for this stay, the relevant Texas government officials were themselves in violation of SB 8, but that does not appear to be the case. https://casetext.com/statute/texas-codes/health-and-safety-code/title-2-health/subtitle-h-public-health-provisions/chapter-171-abortion/subchapter-h-detection-of-fetal-heartbeat/section-171208-civil-liability-for-violation-or-aiding-or-abetting-violation
I thought it was this:
The United States has obtained an injunction prohibiting the adjudication of suits in state court under a law to which it will never be subject, against a State which can never enforce the law, based on real-world disputes which do not affect it, through a cause of action Congress has never authorized. This Court's immediate intervention is necessary to vindicate Texas's sovereign interest in preventing a single federal district court from superintending every Texas court.
Small typo.
"...panel my issue an administrative stay..."
MAY issue a stay.
(I don't know how to write directly to Josh with things like typos...so I didn't see an easier or a private way to give a heads-up.)
Sign up as a follower on twitter and DM him.
Send a large cheese pizza to his house with the message written in pepperoni
No, or course Texas does not have standing because they abrogated enforcement to private citizens.
As for the issue of the feds interfering in a state court potential case, does Prof. Blackmon, who is obviously a highly educated and expert contitutional scholar must surely remember that the rights in the Constitution apply to state laws, that states cannot enact blatantly unconstitutional laws.
So the argument that the federal judiciary cannot rule on laws that would be prosecuted in state courts is so falacious that surely Texans must be so highly embarassed that they are once again ashamed of their elected officials. And those conservatives who supposedly believe in a strict, narrow interpretation must surely be equally embarrassed to support outcomes over principles.
You are an ignorant loon who has made no attempt, or who has utterly failed, to keep up.
How can TX not have standing to appeal an injunction against Texas? Jeez.
And, yes, States can in fact enact laws you consider "blatantly unconstitutional". This has already been discussed at length. The Federal courts can only prohibit enforcement of such laws by specified parties. Jeez, squared.
Have you read Judge Pitman´s opinion and order?
When state legislators contravene the Supremacy Clause and enact blatantly unconstitutional laws designed and intended to frustrate judicial review, what remedy other than an injunction would apply?
SB8 is not "blatantly unconstitutional". There is no right to nor need of a "remedy". It explicitly allows Roe/Casey as a defense entirely precluding recovery of damages and costs unless R/C is overturned.... in which case its provisions can be enforced up to the statute of limitations against acts that were then illegal and were, we will have learned, NOT constitutionally protected.
Every court which has considered the merits of a six week ban on abortions has found such a ban to be unconditional. You know that and I know that.
I notice you didn't answer my question about whether you have read Judge Pitman's order.
Excuse me. I meant every court which has considered the merits of a six week ban on abortions has found such a ban to be unconstitutional.
There is no six week ban on abortions in Texas.
I've read enough excerpts of Pitman's decision to see that his declared grasp of the issues is no better than yours. No, the abortionists cannot turn the very existence of the law into an undue burden by refusing to assume the risk that SCOTUS will overturn Casey and closing shop. No, you can't enjoin court clerks from accepting and judges from hearing cases on the suspicion that the judges will not rule in accordance with the law. Etc.
IOW, you haven´t read the opinion.
The prohibitions of SB8 kick in at about six weeks after the start of the last menstrual period. That amounts to a six week ban.
May I remind you of the late Molly Ivins´ First Rule of Holes: stop digging.
Here is a link for your edification.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21079947-pitman-order
No, a post-heartbeat ban does not "amount to" a six week ban. Your insouciance at your own inaccuracy infects everything you say, unfortunately.
As I said, I know from samples that Pitman's opinion is a turd and it's anyway already in the process of being flushed. No one need pay any further attention to it. I'd say that I'm sorry that you wasted your time, but maybe you enjoyed having had your priors gruntled, and maybe it saved us from a few dumb posings on your part, so it's all good.
Are you delusional or merely stupid?
Not exactly. It cabins that defense to situations in which the Supreme Court holds that the defendants have third party standing to assert Roe/Casey rights. Otherwise it denies abortion providers the right to assert Roe/Casey as a defense even if those decisions are not overturned.
This is preposterous. The law was crafted to avoid being struck down. The legislature is supposed to create laws that don't run afoul of precedent, which they appear to have done properly, because the only argument the district court has is that now that the state has come up with an effective form of infanticide regulation, the only option is for the court to make something up and create an injunction.
Wait for the low actually be enforced, if anybody commits infanticide despite SB8 being on the books. The defendant would then have standing and get to argue to the current Supreme Court that the right to murder babies is somehow in the Constitution.
I don't understand how Texas can argue on one hand that it doesn't enforce SB 8, yet that it can defend SB 8.
If it can defend SB 8, then it is also enforcing SB 8. If it is enforcing SB 8, then it, and its employees, can be enjoined from processing any paperwork related to SB 8.
In this appeal, Ken Paxton is making an appearance. Because he is making an appearance, he is subject to the orders of the court. Therefore, Ken Paxton can be forced to take actions against plaintiffs that would like to sue under SB 8.
Texas government officials aren't forbidden from "enforcing" SB 8 in some generic sense. The act just creates a cause of action for everyone except Texas government officials. Since this litigation didn't start with anyone bringing a suit under SB 8, nobody is enforcing it.
I disagree. When you defend a law, with the intent of being successful, your motivation is to enable the the law. Enabling the law allows others to file suit under the law, and the actions of the state allow enforcement of the law. As I have commented later, the plaintiffs under this law are the agents of the state. By defending the law, the state will then enforce the law through its agents. I think that a pre-emptive injunction is appropriate under these circumstances.
I don't disagree that there's an inconsistency in the defendants' position.
This is the logical pretzel here that I am struggling with, as well.
Unfortunately, the Fifth Circuit loves this kind of "have their cake and eat it too" reasoning.
This reminds me of the episode when my 5 year old son, after I told him not to, buried dog food in our back yard so that our 8-month-old puppy would look for it. Once the dog dug up the yard, he blamed the puppy when the actions of the puppy were foreseeable and predictable.
Here, Texas has provided the incentive for people to sue under SB 8 and now it is claiming it is not responsible for the actions of those people. I don't think so. Lawsuits under SB 8 are clearly state action with the plaintiffs as the agent of the state.
Show me where you've said this when it wasn't your ox being gored.
Surprisingly, I agree. I think it would be better for the quality of the debate if we tried to imagine a situation where a state amends its defamation laws to make it easier to bring libel suits, and a newspaper tries to get an injunction to prevent enforcement of that law. The fact that SB 8 is about abortion isn't really what's interesting about it.
I think the fuss about SB8 is wildly overblown. It can't have any real effect unless Roe/Casey is overturned, and I don't expect that to happen.
Now, somewhere in these discussions or the supporting materials I've run across mention of a CA law enabling individual to sue over environmental impacts. And there's people running around suing over sisability access. Not exactly the same thing, but I'm assuming there's a lot of context to be supplied. And I'm guessing Kenan's never said squat along his current line of assertions.
SB8 requires an abortion provider to speculate at his peril as to whether Roe and Casey will be overruled. This offends Due Process guaranties, which require fair warning of what conduct is prohibited.
"SB8 requires an abortion provider to speculate at his peril as to whether Roe and Casey will be overruled."
That's just a hazard of relying on SCOTUS precedent. If Roe and Casey are overruled, anybody that violated a dormant abortion law since 1973 could theoretically be subject to prosecution.
In a state other than Texas, that is.
It seems TX has dormant anti-abortion laws, too.
Uh, that´s not how the ex post facto prohibition works with regard to criminal prosecutions.
The things you are saying keep getting dumber and dumber. There is no ex post facto issue. TX's criminal anti-abortion laws are on the books right now and anyone who now performs an abortion has as much notice of that fact as an armed robber would that what he would do was illegal. Casey currently prohibits their enforcement, but it doesn't make the act legal.
Still lacking a grasp of Marbury v. Madison?
Roe v. Wade arose out of Texas. Mr. Wade lost.
The scheme in Casey superseded the scheme in Wade, and I already wrote, "Casey currently prohibits their enforcement...", so what do you imagine you are informing me of? Apart from wishful thinking, why are you still stuck in 1973?
Roe invalidated the Texas statutes you refer to. Casey did not modify that state of affairs.
Yup. Texas is permanently enjoined from enforcing the laws at issue in Roe. Other states with similar laws, not so much.
And there's not ex-post facto law issue with court decisions. A court decision is not law. Indeed, all court decisions are ex-post facto.
That's not how due process works.
"That’s not how due process works."
Due process gives parties the right to rely on stare decisis? Do you have a cite for that? If that were true, courts would never be able to overturn precedent.
Did you go to law school? What state are you licensed in? I think we need to file a bar complaint...
Of course not, I work for a living. Do you have a cite for the proposition that people have a due-process right to rely on precedent in past cases?
And I'd add that this seems like a terrible subject for lawyers to be pulling the "did you go to law school" in relation to, since the entire legal profession is standing around with their dicks in their hands trying to figure out how to handle S.B. 8.
" It can’t have any real effect "
That explains the diminished availability of abortion services in Texas this week.
I'm beginning to hope an advanced state enacts a copycat statute that punishes assistance to anyone seeking to buy a gun, attend a church service, drive a pickup truck or wear a cowboy hat for no apparent reason, obtain faith healing, or engage in a bigoted act -- just to watch some people turn on a dime.
The diminished availability of abortion is due to the abortionists' fear that abortions they perform will indeed turn out to be unprotected by the US Constitution and, accordingly, punished. But steps to merely educate them on this previously ignored but already true point cannot be illegal. TX cannot be required to hide the truth in order to maintain enthusiasm for performing abortions.
SB8 is designed and intended to chill Texans´ exercise of fundamental constitutional rights, and it has had that effect. Like it or not, Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey are the law of the land unless and until SCOTUS overrules those decisions. The Texas legislature has no authority to divest abortion providers of the protection of those decisions while they remain in force.
The Texas legislature HASN'T divested abortion providers of the protection of those decisions. Stop pretending that I haven't pointed this out to you multiple times. Determined obliviousness to having your assertions debunked is not a good look.
The Texas legislature is attempting to do exactly that by removing reliance on any decision that has been overruled as a defense to liability under SB8. Whether that attempt will be ultimately successful remains to be seen.
Your ability to parse applicable legal authorities is woefully lacking. If you can´t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.
Yes, other states allow private citizens to enforce state laws. But those so-called private attorneys general provisions are not drafted specifically to preclude judicial review.
I wonder what will happen with Dr. Braid´s interpleader action in federal court in Illinois. None of the participants in that suit is subject to the Texas district court´s injunction, so I surmise that it will go forward. Judge Pitman´s opinion and order should be powerfully persuasive authority in favor of Dr. Braid´s claim that he is not subject to a damages award despite the provisions of SB8.
Persuasive maybe, but unless that case goes all the way to SCOTUS, it won't be binding on Texas, or Texas courts, or any federal appeals court hearing an SB8 case brought in Texas, since Illinois is in the 7th Circuit and Texas is in the 5th.
I am saying that the judge in Illinois should regard the opinion of the judge in Texas to be persuasive.
The 5th Circuit appeals panel has already found Pitman unpersuasive.
Wrong. The Fifth Circuit has issued an administrative stay pending consideration of the State of Texas´s application for a stay pending appeal. The DOJ response is due by 5:00 p.m. Tuesday.
Do you know the difference between merits and non-merits determinations? Or are you getting your information from that noted authority, Otto Yourazz?
You're getting it backasswards, again. It is precisely the provisions of SB8 that protect Dr. Braid from a damage award absent SCOTUS overturning post-'73 precedents.
The interpleader action in federal court in Illinois is trash. Absent a damage award there is no value for the IL and TN claimants to fight over.
What TN claimant?
A chose in action is a thing of value. Texas court plaintiffs from Arkansas and Illinois claim that Dr. Braid is liable in damages; Dr. Braid denies liability and contends that he is entitled to keep his $10,000. Only one Texas court plaintiff can recover. Under those circumstances, an action for interpleader lies.
Has Braid deposited any amount with the IL court or has the plain requirement in the interpleader law that the amount whose disposition is in dispute been somehow waived?
The ARK plaintiff is asking for $100,000, iirc. I don't think the IL plaintiff has asked for anything since he explicitly wants the law quashed. As 2nd to court his claim would be a no-hoper anyway, even if it were not barred by the absence of any case or controversy between him and Braid.
In the actual, real world, circumstances there is no basis for interpleader when there is as yet no award to fight over. You keep making an ass of yourself by denying this.
"...whose disposition is in dispute BE DEPOSITED WITH THE COURT been somehow waived?"
Reason's comment software is trash, too.
Dr. Braid's complaint states that he will deposit $10,000 with the registry of the court.
There is no substitute for reading original source materials.
There's no substitute for reading what -I- write. The ARK plaintiff is asking for $100k, not $10k. Plus or including costs, I don't recall. The IL plaintiff, again, didn't ask for damages since his complaint is pretextual. Braid depositing $10k, even should he do it, doesn't solve the problem that the amount at issue isn't yet determined because the TX court hasn't awarded damages. Try, try, to grasp the fact that interpleader cannot be appropriate if the amount at issue has not been determined, and will in fact be $0, Casey not having been overturned. You've long since passed "tedious" on the way to nowhere.
I don't claim ANY expertise on these issues, BUT
A lot of very smart people have commented on this blog to say that SB 8 is a TERRIBLE law because it prevents anyone from going into federal court and getting an injunction against SB 8 -- and now a bunch of very smart people are saying that a federal judge out in west Texas had the power to enjoin the enforcement of SB 8. So I guess SB 8 was just a run-of-the-mill State anti-abortion law all along. Right? No big whoop . . . .
So, remind me, why didn't the Supreme Court think it could issue the same injunction the west Texas district court did?
Now, a personal question: I'm here in North Carolina, not a party to, or served in, the west Texas case, but I (a) oppose abortion and (b) could use $10,000. What's stopping me from suing one of those abortionists who have announced that they have violated SB 8?
The Supreme Court avoided addressing the merits, ruling only that the abortion provider plaintiffs had not overcome unspecified procedural obstacles.
By the terms of SB8, you can indeed sue for damages. If the federal injunction remains in place, a court clerk in Texas cannot accept your filings, and no Texas state court can adjudicate your claim.
SCOTUS was not nearly so mum about the obstacles as you seem to imagine.
And the trashy Pitman injunction was immediately stopped, so it's no obstacle to anything.
The administrative stay is temporary, pending consideration of the application for a stay pending appeal. Learn to read.
Pitman's opinion is a turd temporarily circling the bowl. Next step: A flushing sound and all the brown bits disappear. Poor you: All your hopes and declarations of how powerfully persuasive it is, gone w/o a trace.
Will you learn anything?
Of course not.
Read the opinion before blathering about it. It is thorough, tied closely to the evidentiary record, and soundly reasoned.
Fifth Circuit precedent applying Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey has invalidated pre-viability abortion bans. Whether SB8 represents an end run around these decisions has yet to be determined.
There is no intellectually honest defense on the merits of the constitutionality of SB8. I suspect the Fifth Circuit motion judges know that and are merely inviting reasoned consideration of the novel procedural posture of the DOJ lawsuit.
The opinion is a motivated-from-desired result turd, the parts of which I've seen quoted I've already debunked, and you've not answered my points about it, so so much for your credibility in declaring it "soundly reasoned". You wouldn't recognize sound reasoning if it bit you on the butt.
SB8 only punishes pre-viable abortions IF Casey is overturned. I've pointed this out to you repeatedly, but you remain determinedly oblivious to that fact, satisfied to quack out your nonsense refrain. What a piece of work you are.
As to your imagined serious consideration the 5th Circ. panel is giving to Pitman... LOL!
Your reading of the challenged statutes is erroneous. You cite no authorities, and your ipse dixit pronouncement that SB8 only punishes pre-viable abortions if Casey is overturned doesn´t feed the bulldog. The plain language of the statute is to the contrary.
Again, have you ever tried a lawsuit?
Nothing, except the fact that you can't win that $10k unless Casey is overturned before your case is decided.
And if you go after Dr. Braid you'd be at least 3rd in line anyway if somehow Casey was overturned today.
That is not correct. See 171.209(a). Moreover, the law purports to define what an "undue burden" is, in such a way that a state court may be forbidden from applying the Casey test even if Casey is still in effect.
Looks like the Fifth Circuit just reinstated the law.
Do you have a link to any Fifth Circuit order?
I haven't seen a link to the actual order and the Fifth Circuit website doesn't have it yet, but here's a link to an image of it from Twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBOHA4HXMAEFtjA?format=png&name=small
It's just a single page.
Here's a link to the order: https://reproductiverights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/DOJ-TX-emergency-stay.pdf
Thank you.
It appears that an administrative stay has been granted pending the appellate court´s consideration of the State of Texas´s motion for a stay pending appeal. The DOJ response to the stay application is due by 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday.
So much for the "powerfully persuasive authority" of Pitman's execrable opinion.
You have admitted not having read Judge Pitman's order. Your commentary is accordingly not worth much.
The temporary administrative stay is merely to maintain the status quo as it existed prior to the Pitman ruling and is not a ruling on the merits.
I am curious. Have you ever tried a lawsuit?
Would the 5th circuit motions panel have issued the administrative stay if they thought the motion for a stay pending appeal was likely to be denied?
Perhaps the memories of the Fifth Circuit’s handling of this issue may provide some solace to conservatives when the filibuster and the nine-justice Supreme Court are retired by the modern American mainstream.
Perhaps one day you'll stop being a worthless troll. But today is not that day.
That's not what worthless means! I find his posts to really cut through a lot of the typical crap you find here. I also do love really great and substantive posts. Those are the best. But these posts aren't worthless, they are often quite funny.
Your intellect and training cause you to rebel (to your credit) against a number of the dumber and more delusional conservative ramblings that animate this blog, Mr. Nieporent, but you are nonetheless a disaffected culture war casualty whose stale, ugly thinking positions you for replacement.
I believe you can get better and hope you do.