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Not you too, Lyle
Denniston: "In short, some more rigorous self-examination may be in order among the Justices of their own role in adding to the reputation of a Court that may have grown too political for its own good."
On Sunday, Erwin Chemerinsky called the Justices "partisan hacks." I was not particularly surprised that Chemerinsky expressed that sentiment. Academics on the left have long contemptuously viewed the Roberts Court as this right-wing juggernaut, even as it consistently disappoints conservatives. Still, the phrase "partisan hacks" elevated the rhetorical criticism to a new level. Later on Sunday, I was surprised to see Lyle Denniston's new column, titled What is the Supreme Court worried about? Lyle, regrettably, lines up with Erwin.
First, Lyle suggests that Justices Breyer, Barrett, and Thomas coordinated their remarks this week to rebut any sense the Court has become politicized:
It is becoming increasingly clear that, inside the Supreme Court, some of the Justices are growing worried about the institution's public reputation. But what may be most worrisome to them is how that might translate into structural change, imposed on the Court from the outside.
In recent days, three of the Court's nine Justices have spoken out publicly — first, to defend the tribunal's need for independence and, second, to blame the threat to that independence on flawed portrayal in the media of the Court as politically-driven.
The three were the longest-serving Justice, Clarence Thomas, the newest, Amy Coney Barrett, and the most politically savvy, Stephen G. Breyer. While it is arguable that each spoke out to express their own concerns, it is more likely that there has been at least some internal coordination, to get out a message of common worry.
Does Lyle have any inside information that the Justices are holding some kind of PR sessions to discuss damage control? I doubt it. These are the sorts of messages that the Justices have been talking about years. And Justice Barrett, Thomas, and Breyer were responding to questions from the public. It is fortuitous that three Justices all gave public remarks in a short timeframe. But the events were planned long ago. I would chalk that concentration up to the recent relaxation of COVID-protocols as the Court begins a new session in-person.
But the kicker in Lyle's piece comes at the very end. He says what Erwin said, without saying it directly.
In short, some more rigorous self-examination may be in order among the Justices of their own role in adding to the reputation of a Court that may have grown too political for its own good.
Not you too, Lyle!
Here is my surmise. Many people on the left recognize that the Court may overrule Roe this term. And every effort will be made to preemptively delegitimize the decision: Roe can only be rejected if you are a partisan hack. There is no discussion about the Constitution, or whether the 14th Amendment supports a right to abortion, or whether Casey's stare decision framework has proved viable. It can only be politics all the way down. But it is politics that has sustained Roe, and not the law.
This future may be especially bitter for Lyle, who had a front-row seat for the Supreme Court's jurisprudential revolution. Without question, there was a Court that was far too political for its own good. It was chaired by Earl Warren, and not John Roberts. To the extent that today's Supreme Court distances itself from the freewheeling jurisprudence from that bygone era, it will become less, and not more political. The penumbras must be eclipsed.
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Isn't Chemirisnky a Harvard indoctrinated, America hating scumbag, as all Ivy indoctrinated lawyers are?
Isn't Denniston a journalist? There are two people with lower morals than the scumbag lawyer. One is the serial rapist and murderer of children. The other is the journalist.
Dismissed. Scumbags.
The serial rapist and murderer of children is, of course, a client, and protected, privileged, and empowered by the lawyer profession. Victims generate no fee, and may rot. Hundreds of these clients troll our population at any one time, with the full protection of the lawyer profession.
SCOTUSblog, which is Bloomberg, should be considered to be partisan now. Denniston is dismissed.
Don't forget Biden's court packing commission is set to "report" this Fall. And there is what could be a pretty big blockbuster 2nd Amendment case pending.
This is all a narrative reinforcing exercise. Which is coordinated and timed. We haven't heard the last of the "political" court rhetoric. These are just the first shots.
It ain't over until the Court has been enlarged.
"To the extent that today's Supreme Court distances itself from the freewheeling jurisprudence from that bygone era, it will become less, and not more political."
It would appear that some prefer the freewheeling jurisprudence of the current era.
These were some of Denniston's points:
[W]what reporters covering the Court do very well is to describe how conservatism has taken over much of the Court’s work, and how some of the Justices – perhaps especially Justices Thomas, Samuel A. Alito, Jr., and Neil M. Gorsuch — have deployed a muscular urge to pull the Court decidedly toward the Right of the judicial spectrum.
Furthermore, the conservative Justices’ increasing use of quickie, largely unexplained orders to take decisive action – like letting Texas’s nearly total ban on abortion rights go into effect despite its obvious contradiction of five decades of constitutional precedent – does contribute to a public perception of an activist Court, pushing toward desired results without deep and thoughtful consideration.
Also contributing to a negative public perception of the Court is that it has given aid and comfort to Republican-controlled state legislatures in passing new restrictions on voting, including new attempts to frustrate the voters’ actual choices in presidential elections of the future and new laws crafting election district maps that will give the GOP partisan advantages even when it is out-voted at the polls. Conservative Justices also have made it possible for Big Money to flow abundantly in congressional and presidential elections.
It is true that the Court did refuse to go along with former President Trump’s boldest attempt to undo the 2020 election victory of President Biden, but the reality is that some of the Justices had shown sympathy along the way for the basic – and highly questionable — notion that the ultimate constitutional control over presidential election machinery lies with the state legislatures.
Wow, what a bunch of baloney. What is "highly questionable" about this?
One would think that even a journalist might learn how to consult primary sources after enough decades on a court beat.
Yes, in terms of Presidential elections, legislative supremacy is a total slam dunk, and it's questionable whether even Congress's "time, place, and manner" power is applicable, in the teeth of such a clear and unqualified delegation of power. State legislatures don't even need to hold Presidential elections, they're perfectly free to pick the electors in any way they like, up to and including throwing darts at a phone book.
For other offices, the case for legislative supremacy is a bit weaker, I must admit: You have to appeal to separation of powers and the distinction between the legislative and judicial roles.
"For other offices, the case for legislative supremacy is a bit weaker, I must admit: You have to appeal to separation of powers and the distinction between the legislative and judicial roles."
Not really. Article I, Section 2 and the Seventeenth Amendment use the same language: "[t]he electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislature[s]." (The final plural does vary between the two, as does capitalization of nouns.) That does not evince any expectation that the executive or judicial branches get involved, only that qualifications to vote for Representatives and Senators are consistent with those for the indicated branch of the state's legislature.
Well, yes, but this doesn't actually establish that the state legislature has a monopoly on setting the rules, the way the Presidential elector clause does.
Love the new conservative comfort level with and even enthusiasm for gerrymandered legislatures* whose party does not command supermajority support in their state simply picking which new conservative strongman they want in power no matter what voters actually want.
*N.B. that not only do the conservative judges think that there is no constitutional remedy for extreme gerrymandering, they also think that States can't do anything about it either (although this didn't stop them from using the Arizona Redistricting Commission decision to explain why its okay that they don't need to do anything about gerrymandering) And if they had there way, there wouldn't be any limits on malapportionment.
Basically, they looked at the House of Commons prior to 1832 and said: well that's an amazing system of government we should try to replicate.
You certainly have "pounding the table" down to an art form.
That's not a denial lol. If I'm pounding the table its because I am upset at how willfully people like you are just like: screw it, let's just not do elections anymore.
You aren't citing facts or law, you are simply asserting fiction as fact. Thus, pounding the table.
What’s fictional about it?
You think state legislatures can pick the President regardless of what the voters want.
The Court says these same legislatures can be the products of extreme partisan gerrymandering and there is no judicial remedy for that.
At least three justices who believe that also believed States can’t set up independent redistricting commissions via ballot initiative and there is no indication Gorsuch Kavanaugh or Barrett would disagree with that.
And Reynolds v Sims and Baker v Carr has long been among the Warren court precedents conservatives have disliked.
Again, which part of what I said is fiction?
"You think state legislatures can pick the President regardless of what the voters want."
Everybody who has read the Constitution and understands the English language thinks that. That's what the freaking document SAYS.
But everybody also knows that would absolutely be illegitimate if they did that. I know it. You know it.
I'm not at all fond of gerrymandering, but I'm even less fond of Democrats declaring anything short of drawing a map favorable to themselves to BE 'gerrymandering'.
If I had my druthers we'd go to a form of proportional representation. But I'm not going to pretend that it's constitutionally obligatory, or falling short of replicating PR with a first past the post system is proof of foul deeds.
But I’m even less fond of Democrats declaring anything short of drawing a map favorable to themselves to BE ‘gerrymandering’
I don't think you have ever paid attention to the actual maps that have been the subject to challenges. It's not "Democrats don't get the best advantage" it's: "they drew the map in such a way that Republican's have a supermajority of the seats despite less overall support and Democrats need a supermajority of votes to get a bare majority."
The maps they challenged in Rucho and Gill were ridiculous exercises of Republicans giving themselves supermajorities in state legislatures and Congressional delegations in states that are clearly more evenly split. The Wisconsin Assembly has almost 2/3 of the seats being Republican when in the last few elections Democratic candidates have gotten over 50% of the vote overall. Same goes for North Carolina and Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. No Democrat in Ohio expects to have an extremely favorable map where they win all the time. But they do reasonably expect to have a map that doesn't consistently give Republicans two thirds of the seats when about 45-47% of the State consistently votes Democratic.
I have heard from trustworthy people that if Democrats gerrymander aggressively the Republicans could have two or three seats -- of twenty-six -- in the House from New York.
Any thoughts whether Democrats should press their advantage to the tune of 24-2?
That would be a handy improvement in Democrats' majority in the New York delegation. Consider the 52 seats from California after redistricting -- 42 members from California in the Democratic hopper already -- and that is a nice head start toward reinstalling Speaker Pelosi.
Michael P, the Constitution, including the language you excerpt, must be read for what it is—a sovereign decree from the nation's joint sovereign, We the People, who made their own supremacy over everything in the document clear in its first three words, writ large.
Elections, after they have been conducted, counted, and certified, are of the same character as the Constitution itself. Voting is more than a mere right, it is an exercise of the sovereign's constitutive power. No legislature may legitimately exercise a power superior to that, or presume to contradict the will of the People. The latitude of the legislature must not extend to a power to say otherwise, in disregard of the People's own decree, as revealed in election results duly counted. The power to manage elections must never become the power to overturn them.
You're not engaging with the claim that I rebutted at all, you just went off on some weird tangent to distract from the fact that far too many states conducted elections in illegal manners last year, based on their executive or judicial branches unconstitutionally modifying their election laws. It's too bad that you are busy tilting at windmills to criticize actual election misconduct.
Michael P, absent a showing that election misconduct actually overturned an election result which was legitimately otherwise, there is no power in any court, nor any legislature, nor any state executive branch to set aside the election result. Government's power is confined to supporting election results, not overturning them. None of those departments of the People's government is a match for the power of the People, nor are any government agencies or departments authorized to overturn the will of the People, which is the supreme power under American constitutionalism.
Government officers sworn to defend the Constitution have no legitimate scope to challenge a completed and certified election, no matter how it was conducted. Their oath makes them sworn guardians of the People's will, not self-appointed powers to rival the People and tear their power down.
Given the experience with that kind of conduct from Trump and his supporters, the nation ought to underline that duty, by passing a law. It should make it a punishable offense for a person who holds an office under an oath to defend the Constitution to publicly question an official election result after it has been certified. That conduct is, at the very least, a violation of the oath. In the worst cases—such as those by Trump's most vociferous supporters in Congress—it ought to be a crime akin to treason.
Do you also hold such strong opinions about challenging a completed and certified trial?
Michael P, taking the inference that you have not yet grasped my argument, I will answer as if the trial you mention involved some question regarding election misconduct.
It is the duty of the courts to try individuals duly charged with breaking election laws. The extent of a court's power to do that, however, is limited to punishing a named person for crime, and does not legitimately extend to any broader ability to overturn an election after it is complete. I am aware that very rare exceptions to that principle have happened. I do not think reference to those exceptions ought to be used to overturn either the election or the principle. Down that road lies Bush v. Gore redux, and even the court that issued that decision was wise enough to forbid its use as precedent.
"no legitimate scope to challenge a completed and certified election, no matter how it was conducted. "
your on a roll until the last clause: "no matter how it was conducted"
even if facially illegally?
even with clear and compelling manipulation not allowed by law?
That would be a very strange interpretation by any court of three words
Don Nico, strange manipulations will likely deliver strained interpretations. Nothing done by government, however, can legitimately overcome a sovereign decree, which is what a completed and certified election result is.
To suppose otherwise is to turn the basis of American constitutionalism on its head. When I suggested doing that is akin to treason, I intended that to be understood literally. If members of a government who are subordinate to a sovereign act instead to challenge the power or legitimacy of the sovereign, then they have entered into a contest to wrest sovereignty for themselves, and replace the existing sovereign.
The very nature of sovereignty makes such rivalries inherently ungovernable. A sovereign constrained by government is no sovereign at all. So those contests risk devolution to contests by force, because no other constraints exist to resolve them. Winning such contests is how new sovereigns are created, for good or ill.
Thus, absent an open contest for a change in sovereignty, occasions for government officials to challenge election procedures and results must necessarily be limited to the interval between the time an election contest begins in public, and the moment when the result is officially certified. During that interval, there is colorable ability for government figures to claim they do the will of the sovereign, by managing a fair election in accordance with the sovereign's proclaimed intention to have one. Better still if election procedures are subject to review and critique only during times between elections, when even the would-be contestants remain undeclared.
Note that none of that applies to any but election contestants, and officials sworn to allegiance to the sovereign. Ordinary citizens, journalists, and historians are free to critique however they want, whenever they want, for as long as they may, and they ought to do it. None of that implies a contest for sovereignty. It is from those sources that just reckoning of responsibility and legitimacy for all elections must be expected. Lacking all pretensions to sovereign power, those sources may be idealized as the collective voice of the sovereign People themselves.
But when the power to manage fails, like when the rules are changed at a moment's notice without going through the legislative process, the proper role is to shout STOP!
The rules are there for a reason. When those rules are violated, do you propose we just sit back and allow the violations to continue?
Case in point. Here in Buffalo, the 4 term incumbent mayor ran on only the Democrat line; he had the option to file for other lines, but chose not to do so. Also, NO REPUBLICAN ran against him because it's a Democrat lock. He LOST the primary. The county election board is mad up of 1 Democrat and 1 Republican, and they chose to follow the law as written. So the mayor sues to get on an independent line some 13 weeks AFTER the initial filing deadline. This is black letter law in NY.
Both State and Federal judges decreed that his name appear on the Independent line. Finally, the appeals court reversed because he knew the rules and chose not to follow them. Now poor baby has to run a write-in campaign.
This is all internal Democrat shenanigans But some judges decided that their opinions were better thought out than what the state legislature passed and the governor signed.
That's the way leftists think. In their mind, what they believe is righteous and just, and any way of making that happen is appropriate.
It's the Torracelli rule: Election laws are only binding so long as the result is advantageous to Democrats, and must be set aside in the interest of justice if abiding by them would hurt the Democratic candidate.
Please, I think Texas's abortion law is wrong-headed, but the Supreme Court was right that there was no legitimate suit before it, because none of the parties sued were capable of enforcing the law in their official capacities. Only someone with no clue about how the law works could think the Supreme Court could have heard that case. (This is partisan hackery on your part - ignore the procedural rules, because the issue is so important. The Supreme Court does not issue advisory opinions).
Sue the doctor who admitted to performing an abortion already and get the law in front of the courts in the proper way - as a defense to an attempt at enforcement.
We all know that the left regards refusing to give somebody money as taking it. And refusing to spend more is, famously, a spending cut. And the failure to racially discriminate is racist, after all. If you're not part of the solution, obviously you're part of the problem.
So why be shocked that refusing to be a left-wing political hack proves that you're a right wing political hack? You either wage eternal war as one of their soldiers, or you're a war criminal working for the other side, neutrality isn't an option.
No, we don't all know any of that.
You can't write your own reality to make the libs the clear villains you wish they were.
Yes, we do know that. The left continually says "Rich of Republicans to complain about excessive spending on social programs for the poor when they said nothing about tax cuts for the rich," as if the two are even remotely equivalent.
One approach increases spending while the other decreases revenue. They both increase budgetary imbalance so surely there is at least a remote equivalence.
Very remote, indeed.
"Silence is violence!"
No, it's true: Democrats have declared that refusals to increase spending were spending cuts. They routinely declare that not giving somebody money is stealing from them. Refusing to racially discriminate is racist.
There are numerous examples of all these stances, Sarcastro. You're either with them, or against them, there's no middle ground, and they say as much regularly.
"Refusing to racially discriminate is racist."
What Brett is referring to here is the acknowledgement of the human reality that after two centuries of racist policies, there might need to be efforts focused on minority communities to make up for that. Brett is the guy in 1866 who said: "The Freedman's Bureau is Racist.
Yes, what I'm talking about are left-wingers who will literally call you a racist if you refuse to racially discriminate. Goes back a long ways, when we outlawed government discrimination by ballot initiative in Michigan, back in 2006, we had to fight all the way to the Supreme court lawsuits premised on the idea that refusing to racially discriminate was discriminatory.
War is Peace, too.
Maybe you should look up the details of the original Freedman's Bureau. It dealt with actual freed slaves and refugees in the South; It did not discriminate on the basis of race, but instead former status. If you were a free black in the North you got bupkis.
I have looked up the details. I read Eric Foner's magisterial work on Reconstruction in addition to others. Remember, I'm better at history than you, you keep forgetting that. A common theme? White Southerners complaining that the Bureau was helping Black people at the expense of white people and saying it wasn't fair.
Brett, you're still building up strawmen.
No one says refusing to give someone money is the same as taking it.
No one says refusing to spend more is a spending cut, unless you're ignoring inflation like an ignoramus. Which I know you are not.
Putting forth a slogan like it's a literal truth and plank of the Democratic Party is some talk radio shit.
"No one says refusing to spend more is a spending cut, unless you’re ignoring inflation like an ignoramus."
People do say that. https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/proposed-budget-cuts-aren-t-really-cuts-critics-argue-just-slower-growth/article_dbfeb3a6-5a12-11e9-ab6b-174dd68770d1.html has a great example: Because someone proposed slower growth, but still in excess of inflation, they were roundly accused -- by prominent politicians, not obscure cranks -- of wanting to cut budgets.
By the way, I wouldn't count on Roe being overturned. The justices all have private lives and families, and don't relish the idea of they and their loved ones spending the rest of their lives hiding from death threats.
Agree. The radical left that is in charge of everything now is sick and demented, and will stop at nothing to institute their perverted desires.
Even though returning abortion authority to the states is the right Constitutional decision, it also will create an abrupt change to the status quo....which will have an immediate impact on the poor women who cannot travel to a nearby state for an abortion. Turning OFF a right will weigh on the justices. It will also make every purple state a referendum on the topic and with current polling that doesn't bode well for the GOP. I predict Dobbs loosens up on overturning state restrictions but does not reverse Roe. Toxic politics mixed in with a deeply divisive topic spell doom for our country. The Court will not want to add gasoline.....
Ideally, that would make the poor women move to blue states, where they can take their poor ways to places that appreciate them.
" It will also make every purple state a referendum on the topic and with current polling that doesn’t bode well for the GOP."
Which is precisely the sort of thing the Court shouldn't give a damn about.
I think if they overturn Roe they'll find some excuse why existing abortion laws being held in abeyance by Roe don't get enforced, but that would be a hack move itself.
I heard that nonsense about it being a political issue after Sebelius, that Roberts was actually doing conservatives a favor by giving the Republicans a 2012 campaign issue.
How did that work out for us?
Really? Please show me the "Status Quo uber alles" clause in the Constitution.
Original public meaning originalism, for one. As the judicial power was understood by those educated in law at the founding, constitutional precedent can slowly drift, but a discontinuous break from precedent would be something extrajudicial.
Amazing how the ratchet moves in only one direction.
Because Roe was the culmination of a "slow drift".
I was speaking specifically to your 'Please show me the “Status Quo uber alles” clause in the Constitution.'
As to overruling Roe. If you want to overrule it, best practice would be to lay some cases around why you should overrule it. Either federalism or personhood. I think there's a fair argument the Court is doing that right now on federalism grounds.
In other news, the Democrats are now saying that immigration amnesty should be allowed as part of reconciliation because it will substantially add to the deficit. This, after years of lying that legalizing third world peasants was a net economic benefit.
Don’t think of it as lying. Think of it a a flexible truth.
That's...not what Dems are saying.
The "truth" changes as they will it to change.
Will to power, if you will.
Nisiiko said Dems said a thing they didn't say. I pointed out he's full of it.
Your counter is well, Dems still lie all the time.
Do you see the fallacy here?
Which part did they not say?
immigration amnesty should be allowed as part of reconciliation because it will substantially add to the deficit.
Have you not read the news?
Without question, there was a Court that was far too political for its own good. It was chaired by Earl Warren, and not John Roberts.
A court that disagrees with Blackman is political. A court that agrees with him is not political. Exactly like the journalists he criticizes.
The excessively political character of the Roberts Court is hard to see for culture warriors, who suppose unreflectively that their culture war agenda items define the scope of politics. For those critics, the Roberts Court could not be sufficiently political, until it delivers victory uniformly, case by case, for every item in the culture war agenda. That the Court has declined to do.
What it has done, however, is practice a laser-like focus on handing victory to Republicans on questions affecting the actual practice of partisan politics. On questions with implications for election outcomes, that pattern is so plain and obvious as to put controversy beyond question. That is what this Court has done, from Bush v. Gore through every question about political finance, to the outrage of Shelby County, to protections for partisan gerrymanders, to recent lurches in the direction of legislative supremacy for the states on election outcomes.
What idiocy. The only outrage about Shelby County was that the entire Democratic left was on board with the idea that a preclearance formula that was 50 years old was "appropriate," simply because a newer formula couldn't get through Congress.
Yep.
"Oh, they're so political because they didn't rule the way I want them to."
Just looking at the list of jurisdictions pre-Shelby County shows how much nonsense it was. Covering Manhattan, the Bronx, and Brooklyn, but not Queens and Staten Island? Really?
Democrats want to politicize everything. There's still more coverage of Donald Trump in the MSM than there is of Biden, although Trump really hasn't done much at all.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. Got any sources for that?
Read the Washington Post sometimes. It's "Trump this" and "Trump that", or "Trump supporters this and that", while anything the Democrats do is mostly "The Administration".
Well, I'm wrong. Trump was mentioned only 1856 times in the past 60 days, while Biden was mentioned 2664 times, per WAPO's search function.
Thanks for 1) doing the work, and 2) taking the L.
Rare around here, and appreciated.
Democrats want to politicize politics is certainly a take...
Ah yes, the "It's all a coincidence!" theory of judicial decision-making.
But in any case, it's hard to argue that whether the justices are being truthful or not in how they arrived at their conclusions (and when they so perfectly line up with political views where those views are of critical political importance, that's a legitimate question) is that they were chosen through a partisan political process with the majority seized by the most cynical political power play for the courts ever in the denial of nomination then reversal, *specifically because* their legal views lined up with the desires of the party nominating them.
And the constant whining from the right over "activist judges" and "Trump law" who don't rule the way they want puts a lie to all these claims they're recognizing the court as a non-partisan instrument in general, instead of when it suits them. You're all every bit as guilty in thinking it's only neutral so long as it's conservative.
Republican politicians get this in a way that most conservative legal academics simply can't admit because it kind of ruins law as a scholarly enterprise where the judges use reason and logic to reach a conclusion.
I mean sure, Republican* politicians will simply claim "we're following the law and no one else is" but when it comes down to it, they don't actually care whether their judges "follow the law" or not, they just want results.
*Democrats do the same thing.
Thank you for an honest comment.
By the way if no one would fall for Blackman's clickbait, may the guy would go away or at least move to his own blog.
Apologies to myself for not taking my own advice.
A sign of the intellectual decay of our times. An ostensible scholar reduced to name-calling of Supreme Court justices. A well-known reporter of court proceedings chiming in to like effect, for fear of not being able to sit at the cool kids' table.
In this light, Roe is not the real worry.