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Partial Victory for Rep. Devin Nunes in Lawsuit Against Ryan Lizza and Esquire
From today's Eighth Circuit decision in Nunes v. Lizza, written by Judge Steven Colloton and joined by Chief Judges Lavenski Smith and Judge Ralph Erickson:
Representative Nunes has been a Member of Congress since 2003, and he serves as the Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He worked on his family's farm in California as a child, and later owned farmland with his brother. In 2006, the Nunes family sold its farmland in California, and the Congressman's parents and brother moved to Sibley, Iowa, where his father purchased a dairy farm, NuStar Farms. According to the complaint, the farm is operated by the Congressman's family without his involvement, and the Congressman has no financial interest in the farm.
On September 30, 2018, Esquire magazine (then owned by Hearst) published an article about Representative Nunes and the farm. Lizza authored the piece. The online version is entitled "Devin Nunes's Family Farm Is Hiding a Politically Explosive Secret." The print version is entitled "Milking the System," and includes a caption that asks two questions about a Congressman who has "spun himself as a straight talker whose no-BS values are rooted in his family's California dairy farm": "So why did his parents and brother cover their tracks after quietly moving the farm to Iowa? Are they hiding something politically explosive?"
The article maintains that Representative Nunes and his family hid the fact that the family farm is now in Iowa. The article states that Nunes (1) "has a secret" and (2) that "he and his parents seemed to have concealed basic facts about the family's move to Iowa." The article describes how his parents, "Anthony Jr. and Toni Dian, … used their cash from the sale to buy a dairy eighteen hundred miles away in Sibley," and declares it "strange … that the family has apparently tried to conceal the move from the public—for more than a decade." The article ponders: "Why would the Nuneses, Steve King, and an obscure dairy publication all conspire to hide the fact that the congressman's family sold its farm and moved to Iowa?" When the article was published, Steve King was the Member of Congress who represented the district in Iowa where the farm is located.
The article later asserts that the farm uses undocumented labor: "According to two sources with firsthand knowledge, NuStar did indeed rely, at least in part, on undocumented labor. One source … had personally sent undocumented workers to Anthony Nunes Jr.'s farm for jobs" and "assert[ed] that the farm was aware of their status."
Two statements insinuate that the farm's use of undocumented labor is the reason that Representative Nunes and his family were hiding the family's move and their operation of an Iowa dairy farm. Lizza wrote that "[o]ther dairy farmers in the area helped me understand why the Nunes family might be so secretive about the farm: Midwestern dairies tend to run on undocumented labor." The article also includes a quote from Lizza's interview with a local newspaper reporter, who said that the farm's workers "'are immigrants and Devin is a very strong supporter of Mr. Trump, and Mr. Trump wants to shut down all of the immigration, and here is his family benefiting from immigrant labor,' documented or not." …
[D]efamation by implication arises from what is implied when a defendant "(1) juxtaposes a series of facts so as to imply a defamatory connection between them, or (2) creates a defamatory implication by omitting facts." The implication constitutes defamation "even though the particular facts are correct," unless it qualifies as an "opinion." The court must determine whether an objectively reasonable reader could draw the alleged false implication from the article as a whole….
Nunes contends that his complaint states a plausible claim for defamation by implication. He argues that the article implies the existence of a "politically explosive secret" that he "conspired with others" to hide the farm's use of undocumented labor. He alleges that the implication is false because he was not involved in the farm's operations, and "had no knowledge of who the dairy farm hired." The district court concluded that "no reasonable reader" could draw that implication from the article. We respectfully disagree.
Both the print and online versions of the article refer to a "politically explosive" secret involving the farm in either the title or caption. The article begins with the words: "Devin Nunes has a secret." The article then identifies the "secret"—namely, that "[t]he Nunes family dairy of political lore … isn't in California. It's in Iowa." The first part ends by questioning why the Nuneses would "conspire" with others "to hide the fact that the congressman's family sold its farm and moved to Iowa?"
Soon thereafter, the article states that the use of undocumented labor at dairy farms in Sibley suggests "why the Nunes family might be so secretive about the farm." The article then explains the use of undocumented labor in the dairy industry and the complex political dynamics at work in communities that support President Trump but rely on undocumented labor. Next, the article reveals that two sources told Lizza that the farm did "rely, at least in part, on undocumented labor." Later, the article describes Nunes as "one of Trump's most important allies," cites the Congressman's "unwavering support" for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and recounts that "Trump, King, and their allies" describe guest-worker programs for undocumented dairy workers as "amnesty."
Based on the article's presentation of facts, we think the complaint plausibly alleges that a reasonable reader could draw the implication that Representative Nunes conspired to hide the farm's use of undocumented labor…. [T]he article's principal theme is that Nunes and his family hid the farm's move to Iowa—the "politically explosive" secret. The article then sets forth a series of facts about the supposed conspiracy to hide the farm's move, the use of undocumented labor at Midwestern dairy farms, the Nunes family farm's alleged use of undocumented labor, and the Congressman's position on immigration enforcement, in a way that reasonably implies a connection among those asserted facts.
A reasonable reader could conclude, from reading the article as a whole, that the identified "secret" is "politically explosive" because Nunes knew about his family's employment of undocumented labor. And revelation of that fact could be politically damaging to a Member of Congress who demonstrates "unwavering support for ICE" and who is among the "allies" of President Trump who have denounced "amnesty" for undocumented workers….
Lizza and Hearst contend that the alleged defamatory implication is protected opinion. They first argue that the implication is "rhetorical hyperbole" contained in a "work of literary journalism." We reject that argument because there is a reasonable inference that the article implies the assertion of objective facts—that the farm employs undocumented labor, and that Nunes agreed with others to hide the farm's use of undocumented labor.
Nor does the "literary context" make the implication a protected opinion. The article is based on Lizza's investigation of the farm and presents his assertion that the Congressman and his family tried to "hide" the family's move to Iowa. A reasonable reader would expect a piece of investigative journalism to convey facts, and the article's "literary context" does not support the conclusion that the implication is a protected opinion.
Lizza and Hearst also assert that the alleged implication is not verifiable. But the important facts can be confirmed or refuted. Nunes alleges that the article implies the existence of a "politically explosive secret" that he "conspired with others" to hide the farm's use of undocumented labor. A conspiracy is an agreement that requires knowledge—here, knowledge that the farm employed undocumented labor and a knowing agreement to cover up that politically embarrassing fact.
Yet the Congressman's complaint says that he was "not involved" in the farm's "operations," had "no knowledge of who the dairy farm hired," and thus "was not involved in any conspiracy or cover-up." Whether Nunes knew about the farm's hiring practices, including the potential use of undocumented labor, and whether he agreed with others to keep that information secret, are issues of verifiable fact. We thus conclude that the implication is "sufficiently factual to be susceptible of being proved true or false," so it is not a protected opinion.
Lizza and Hearst also argue that the First Amendment imposes an additional burden on Nunes in a defamation-by-implication action: he must allege and prove that Lizza and Hearst intended or endorsed the implication…. On appeal, Nunes does not challenge the district court's conclusion that the First Amendment imposes a subjective intent requirement in defamation-by-implication cases…. Nunes has plausibly alleged that Lizza and Hearst intended or endorsed the implication that Nunes conspired to cover up the farm's use of undocumented labor. The complaint points to the article's "click-bait headline" that Nunes is hiding a "politically explosive secret," its discussion of his efforts to conceal the farm's move to Iowa, and its claim that the farm employs undocumented labor. The manner in which the article presents the discussion of the farm's use of undocumented labor permits a plausible inference that Lizza and Hearst intended or endorsed the implication. Thus, the complaint states a plausible claim for defamation by implication….
To survive a motion to dismiss, a public figure's complaint must allege "facts sufficient to give rise to a reasonable inference of actual malice[,]" {meaning "with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not."} Under that demanding standard, we agree with the district court that the complaint is insufficient to state a claim of actual malice as to the original publication.
The district court went further, however, and ruled that the complaint does not state a plausible allegation that Lizza acted with actual malice by republishing the article on his Twitter account after this lawsuit was filed. On this point, we respectfully disagree.
There is a distinction in defamation law between an original publication and a republication. The "single publication" rule provides that any one edition of a book or newspaper, even if distributed to a multitude, constitutes one publication that may support only one cause of action. But that rule does not include "separate aggregate publications on different occasions." So, for example, "if the same defamatory statement is published in the morning and evening editions of a newspaper, each edition is a separate single publication and there are two causes of action." In that situation, "the publication reaches a new group and the repetition justifies a new cause of action." The justification for this exception to the "single publication" rule is that "the subsequent publication is intended to and actually reaches a new audience."
A speaker who repeats a defamatory statement or implication after being informed of its falsity "does so at the peril of generating an inference of actual malice." "[O]nce the publisher knows that the story is erroneous … the argument for weighting the scales on the side of [its] first amendment interests becomes less compelling."
Nunes's initial complaint was filed on September 30, 2019…. Nonetheless, on November 20, 2019, Lizza posted a tweet with a link to the article. Lizza's tweet stated: "I noticed that Devin Nunes is in the news. If you're interested in a strange tale about Nunes, small-town Iowa, the complexities of immigration policy, a few car chases, and lots of cows, I've got a story for you." As discussed, the complaint plausibly alleges that the article defames Nunes by implication.
Lizza and Hearst contend that Lizza's tweet of a link to the original article does not constitute republication of the article. They cite Sundance Image Technology, Inc. v. Cone Editions Press, Ltd. (S.D. Cal. 2007), which held that providing links to previous publications on a website, without more, was not republication. And other courts have concluded that "mere reference to an article," or a "mere hyperlink," without more, is not a republication. But these decisions do not hold categorically that hyperlinking to an original publication never constitutes republication.
The complaint here adequately alleges that Lizza intended to reach and actually reached a new audience by publishing a tweet about Nunes and a link to the article. In November 2019, Lizza was on notice of the article's alleged defamatory implication by virtue of this lawsuit. The complaint alleges that he then consciously presented the material to a new audience by encouraging readers to peruse his "strange tale" about "immigration policy," and promoting that "I've got a story for you." Under those circumstances, the complaint sufficiently alleges that Lizza republished the article after he knew that the Congressman denied knowledge of undocumented labor on the farm or participation in any conspiracy to hide it.
Lizza and Hearst maintain that Nunes's filing of a defamation lawsuit is a "mere denial" that cannot support clear and convincing evidence of actual malice…. In reviewing a ruling on a motion to dismiss, however, we consider only whether Nunes's complaint states enough factual matter, accepted as true, to raise a "reasonable expectation that discovery will reveal evidence" of actual malice…. "Republication of a statement after the defendant has been notified that the plaintiff contends that it is false and defamatory may be treated as evidence of reckless disregard." Lizza tweeted the article in November 2019 after Nunes filed this lawsuit and denied the article's implication. The pleaded facts are suggestive enough to render it plausible that Lizza, at that point, engaged in "the purposeful avoidance of the truth." …
The court rejected Nunes's other defamation claims:
The article also accuses Representative Nunes of improper conduct during his tenure as Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. The article says that he used his chairmanship (1) "to spin a baroque theory about alleged surveillance of the Trump campaign that began with a made-up Trump tweet about how 'Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower,'" and (2) as a "battering ram to discredit the Russia investigation and protect Donald Trump at all costs, even if it means shredding his own reputation and the independence of the historically nonpartisan committee in the process." …
[Nunes] challenges the court's ruling that the two statements about improper use of his position as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence are not actionable as defamation. We agree with the district court that the complaint fails to state a claim for express defamation based on the statements, and adopt the court's conclusions.
Nunes also argues that a third statement is defamatory: that he "attempt[ed] to undermine the Russia investigation by releasing a partisan report … that cherry-picked evidence to accuse the FBI of bias in its effort to obtain a warrant to monitor the communications of Carter Page." But Nunes failed to identify that statement as allegedly defamatory in his complaint, and we decline to consider the issue for the first time on appeal.
Note that I've moved to intervene and unseal certain filings in the District Court case (a motion that Rep. Nunes opposes, and that the defendants generally do not oppose); but that motion is unconnected to the merits dispute that the Eighth Circuit is discussing.
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My understanding is that if the dairy farm actually employed undocumented workers that fact would doom the suit. Am I missing something here?
Note that Nunes' lawyer apparently had a [redacted] in open court to prevent the employees from being deposed.
As a side note, it appears that the sealed transcript EV moved to unseal was released in redacted form, but with a poorly implemented redaction method allowing anyone (at first, until they corrected it) to view the redacted material. Business Insider claims to have read it in it's entirety. Has EV?
You are missing Nunes' denial of knowledge about the farm's employment practices. If they employed undocumented workers and he knew about it, that would doom the suit. But if it were merely the unknown wrongdoings of family members, his suit could survive.
There were actually two allegedly defamatory claims that survived, as I read it: First, that the farm employed illegal aliens, and Nunes knew it. Second, that he conspired to conceal it. Both could survive the use of illegal aliens being confirmed, and the second could even survive his having known it, so long as he hadn't been part of such a conspiracy.
Both claims fail if Rep. Nunes actually did anything to suppress knowledge that the Nunes dairy farm wasn't completely diligent in its hiring practice.
Nunes isn't accused of being stupid. He'd lose that one, because he is. He was accused of attempting to conceal that he is stupid. I wouldn't want to bet on him being able to prove that this isn't also true.
He was accused of being aware of, and being part of a conspiracy, to conceal certain facts.
1) If the supposed facts were not true, he may prevail.
2) If the facts were true, but he was unaware of them, (It wasn't his farm, after all.) he may prevail.
3) If the facts were true, and he was aware of them, but was no part of any such conspiracy, he may prevail.
Scenario #1 is certainly easier for him to prevail on. But he might prevail in any of them if he can establish that Esquire knew their assertions were false.
keep squirming.
If he's pure as driven snow, he may prevail. But he is not driven snow, he is Devin Nunes.
I doubt very much he's pure as the driven snow, but that doesn't mean he's guilty of THIS.
He's Devin Nunes. He's been working against this fact for his own life, so it won't come as a surprise when it works against him again.
Your bilious opinions against Nunes are not relevant to this case.
Brett has explained what is relevant, Repeatedly.
I don't know why Brett bothers to try to engage with you.
You are a tiresome shit.
Next, the article reveals that two sources told Lizza that the farm did "rely, at least in part, on undocumented labor."
"Gee, yah, man, this one day, they had an illegal alien working for them for 3 hours before they found out, and fired him."
I'm a big fan of "truth is an absolute defense for libel." But if someone could show me a reasonable way for the court to differentiate between "true statements" and "statements that take a fact and twist it beyond recognition", I'm be happy to modify my stance. Because weasel words and deliberate attempts to mislead the readers should not be protected.
Or, maybe, we could just bring back dueling
I have bad news for you.
dueling has a generally poor outcome for people who are belligerently stupid.
Long term, sure, but it's about 50-50 in the short run, maybe better, because you could generally get out of a duel by abjectly apologizing, something people who aren't belligerently stupid tend to do when faced with a 50-50 chance of dying.
The odds would be 50-50 if people got into duels solely by looking for people who are of roughly equal dueling skills.
Being a belligerent stupid would-be dueller means that there is a significant possibility of challenging someone with higher dueling skills. Doing this over and over gives you a virtually-certain poor outcome, but just on the one-off, you get a likelihood of what you would consider a bad outcome if you are the belligerent stupid person, but it's a pretty good outcome for the general public.
Well, yeah, barring collateral damage, the public did benefit mightily from the Darwinian elements of dueling. I'm just saying that a belligerent stupid would-be dueler is unlikely to end up actually shooting it out with somebody who isn't belligerently stupid, because though a smart guy might be a better aim, he's likely not stupid enough to buy that lottery ticket.
The smart guy with better aim probably knows he is a smart guy with better aim.
Well, then, Ii guess we all understand why you are against the return of dueling
Bring it, pussywillow.
That's what I thought.
"Lizza and Hearst also argue that the First Amendment imposes an additional burden on Nunes in a defamation-by-implication action: he must allege and prove that Lizza and Hearst intended or endorsed the implication"
Seriously? The article ponders: "Why would the Nuneses, Steve King, and an obscure dairy publication all conspire to hide the fact that the congressman's family sold its farm and moved to Iowa?"
Congratulations, jerks, you just provided the proof.
How much did their lawyers milk them for that obviously worthless line of defense?
"Being fat, dumb, and stupid is no way to go through life, son" -- Dean Wormer in the excellent documentary "Animal House".
The evisceration of the single publication rule is awful. It offers no way to distinguish between hyperlinks that count as republication and ones that don't, and its reasoning is conclusory.
There's no allegation that the tweet itself is defamatory, so the argument is just that (in essence) it was too enthusiastic in linking. But if it had said, "Here's a list of links to all the stories I've published," then it wouldn't be a republication? Come on. This is unworkable, and terrible for the Internet. Let's hope that goes up en banc.
The lack of understanding of IT topics amongst the judiciary is not a recent development.
"The evisceration of the single publication rule is awful"
No, the evisceration of the single publication rule is wonderful.
If you continue to promote a story, in any way, after you've been told the story was false, you should be completely on the hook for "actual malice" unless you (re-)investigated your story and solidly proved that it was true.
Which will be demonstrated by you proving in court that teh article was true.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you combine your desire for the censorship of all conservatives with a desire that left wing scum bags should have a free right to lie in public about their conservative enemies.
Disappointed in you, yes.
Surprised, no
1) That's not how actual malice works. It's not actual malice to report a story just because the subject of the story denies it. For actual malice to be present, the speaker must himself entertain serious doubts about the story's accuracy. A pro forma denial does not suffice to create said doubts.
Moreover, you have improperly shifted the burden of proof to the defendant rather than the plaintiff.
(And to be clear, the court here did not rule that actual malice was present; the court ruled that Nunes had sufficiently alleged actual malice for the case to proceed.)
2) You are, as always, a liar. (You should go back to making up claims about the immigration policies of ancient Egypt.) I did not at any time express a "desire" for the "censorship" of any conservatives, let alone "all" of them. The only thing I've done is point out that private persons, which of course includes businesses, have a first amendment right to decide what speech they want to distribute.
3) It takes a lot of chutzpah to promote a censorious lawsuit — and a massive revision of defamation law to bring that about — and then whine about censorship.
"I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you combine your desire for the censorship of all conservatives with a desire that left wing scum bags should have a free right to lie in public about their conservative enemies."
You're lying about what he said. Oh the irony.
Reading through the decision it seems pretty odd. If I'm reading it correctly, simply tweeting a link to the original story after the suit was filed magically transforms an article that was not written with "actual malice" into one that is. Without any change to the original article.
If this precedent stands, then it would follow that anyone posting a link to a story could be subject to a libel suit. Of course, given the composition of the Eighth Circuit, I'm not hopeful for an en banc reversal.
Anyway, the real problem here is a sitting member of congress using the courts as a tool to intimidate his critics with costly legal proceedings.
If the author cared whether or not the article was true (i.e. did not have "actual malice") then, having been told it was false, he would carefully check and validate the story before promoting it any further.
So, if the story is false, and he's till promoting and pushing the story after he's been told it's false, clearly he doesn't give a damn about its falsity.
Which is the definition of "actual malice", no?
And no, "the real problem here" is that a lying sack of sh!t pushed and re-pushed a hit piece that he knew was bullsh!t.
It's interesting that you don't have any problem with that
No.
Remember when a jury concluded that the piece was full of lies? Me neither, because it hasn't happened.
At its very core, actual malice centers around two requirements (and may vary in some way by state), that the defamatory statement in question was either made with:
Knowledge of the statement’s false nature, or
Reckless disregard of the truth or falsity of the matter.
"So, if the story is false, and he’s till promoting and pushing the story after he’s been told it’s false, clearly he doesn’t give a damn about its falsity" == "Reckless disregard of the truth or falsity of the matter".
You can't get anything right, can you?
"Remember when a jury concluded that the piece was full of lies? Me neither, because it hasn’t happened."
Remember when you had a brain, and could think about things and process data? Because it's sad you don't have that any more.
The article was trash and innuendo. You don't write that when you have an actual honest story to write
Look, we already know you're not a scientist, lawyer, economist, or historian; you don't need to keep proving it.
"I told him that the story was false, and yet he published it anyway" is not actual malice.
(The actual legal standard, as per SCOTUS: "There must be sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendant, in fact, entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication." That Devin Nunes claims a story is false would not cause any reasonable person to entertain serious doubts as to the truth of said story.)
"That Devin Nunes claims a story is false would not cause any reasonable person to entertain serious doubts as to the truth of said story"
thank you for letting us know what idiot fantasy land you live in.
Just for fun: do tell us exactly what stories Devin Nunes got wrong of the last 5 years.
Pick a specific story (or more than one), such that any reader can know exactly what story you're talking about.
So that when I show you're full of sh!t, again, it will be clear to all honest readers.
"“That Devin Nunes claims a story is false would not cause any reasonable person to entertain serious doubts as to the truth of said story”
thank you for letting us know what idiot fantasy land you live in."
You live in the one where being Devin Nunes carries an aura of not lying. That is not the world we live in, friend.
"You live in the one where being Devin Nunes carries an aura of not lying. That is not the world we live in, friend."
I know that's not the delusional world thatyou "live" in.
The sad part is that even you realize, at some level, that it's a delusional world. Which is why you didn't take up my challenge, and attempt to prove that Devin Nunes is a liar.
In your mind, Devin Nunes isn't a politician?
BTW, David, as you'r the pathetic chump who fell for the headline of a CDC press release that lied about the contents of the press release, as well as lying about the contents of the study, you dont' qualify as a "reasonable person"
https://reason.com/volokh/2021/09/14/federal-court-temporarily-blocks-new-yorks-prohibition-on-religious-exemptions-from-its-health-care-worker-vaccine-mandate/#comment-9104400
The belligerent idiot is complaining about someone else not being a "reasonable person".
This is not a surprising development, but it is amusing. Vaguely.
Let me guess. in your fantasy world, Adam Schiff is a truth teller, right?
And the fact that all that "classified data that proved his claims" disappeared somewhere on the way to the Mueller investigation hasn't shaken your faith at all.
Because you couldn't identify "reasonable" if it was the sole member of a police lineup. You'd insist the pink elephant that you saw next to him was the "real reasonable"
You're back to rant some more and argue with your own imagination. Stick to addressing what I actually wrote instead of starting by imagining what I wrote, and then complaining about what you imagined I wrote.
Or just fuck off. Either way is fine.
"If the author cared whether or not the article was true (i.e. did not have “actual malice”) then, having been told it was false, he would carefully check and validate the story before promoting it any further.
So, if the story is false, and he’s till promoting and pushing the story after he’s been told it’s false, clearly he doesn’t give a damn about its falsity."
This is false.
I think you're reading wrong.
"A speaker who repeats a defamatory statement or implication after being informed of its falsity [My emphasis.] "does so at the peril of generating an inference of actual malice." "[O]nce the publisher knows that the story is erroneous … the argument for weighting the scales on the side of [its] first amendment interests becomes less compelling."
Nunes's initial complaint was filed on September 30, 2019…. Nonetheless, on November 20, 2019, Lizza posted a tweet with a link to the article."
What magically transforms the article into actual malice is linking to it after the defendant would have had "a high degree of awareness of . . . probable falsity, or must have entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication.”.
The initial complaint by Nunes is treated as creating such doubts in the absence of Lizza having proof of the assertions. The relevance of the republication is that it came after the initial complaint. “Republication of a statement after the defendant has been notified that the plaintiff contends that it is false and defamatory may be treated as evidence of reckless disregard.”
Basically, once Nunes issued the complaint, any republication was unprotected unless they had actual evidence of the allegations' truthfulness. That's what they need to provide now, and maybe they can.
Or maybe they can't, because they were just BSing.
No. Like Greg J, you misunderstand what actual malice is. The subject of a story claiming that it's false does not mean that publishing the story constitutes actual malice.
No; the burden remains with Nunes to prove the story false.
But setting that misunderstanding aside, you're missing the point: of course republication of a false story with actual malice is actionable. But the court crafted a new definition of republication. Simply linking to an already published story has never been considered republication.
Look, I'm just quoting the judge. See those quote marks? That's all directly from the judge's ruling. I'm just passing on what they said.
So, you're not accusing ME of misunderstanding what actual malice is. You're accusing Judges Steven Colloton and Ralph Erickson, and Chief Judge Lavenski Smith, of misunderstanding what actual malice is.
Now, I'm open to the possibility of the three of them being wrong, I'm not a legal positivist, and judges are human. But let's be clear who you're claiming is making the mistake here.
"Now, I’m open to the possibility of the three of them being wrong,"
Are you open to the possibility that you're the one who's wrong?
If you can demonstrate that I quoted them wrong, sure. Since I was cutting and pasting directly from their ruling, though, good luck with that.
So, no, you can't conceive of possibly being wrong. That's what we all expected.
"Look, I’m just quoting the judge. See those quote marks? That’s all directly from the judge’s ruling."
Except for your contribution, you're just quoting the judge.
"'A speaker who repeats a defamatory statement or implication after being informed of its falsity does so at the peril of generating an inference of actual malice.' '[O]nce the publisher knows that the story is erroneous … the argument for weighting the scales on the side of [its] first amendment interests becomes less compelling.'
Here's the thing, the fact that Rep. Nunes claims it isn't true doesn't actually have the effect of informing anyone that the claim isn't true, any more than Bill Clinton saying that he. did. not. have. sex. with. that. woman. informs anyone that he did not have sex with that woman. At best, it informs you that Nunes claims that it is not true. Information comes from trusted sources.
Going further, the fact that Rep Nunes says it isn't true is evidence that it IS.
Getting past a motion to dismiss (partly) with a three-clinger panel . . . Talk about making the most out of an inherited life and a degree in cow-milking!
(Where does Nunes figure he's headed with this? He has already signaled a severe fear of discovery . . . perhaps for sound reason in a 'truth is a defense' context. This guy might be a first-day subject in
a class on litigation strategy.)
Nunes is a disciple of "things become true because I say they are true, if I say it enough times."
This is as bad a handling of the single publication rule as I have seen since a federal judge ruled that a plaintiff was required to pare a seven- or eight-count complaint (false light, emotional distress, defamation, etc.) to a single count consequent to the single publication rule.
I hope this is going en banc. It would be quite harmful if tweeting a link to an already-published piece could be "republication."
A lot of this seems to hinge on Lizza being personally notified that Nunes was disputing the account, which she was an author of, and thus aware of the sourcing for. She'd thus know whether she had evidence of the allegations. A third party tweeting a link would not have been so positioned.
If she does have such evidence, Nunes' lawsuit is certainly going to fail, this ruling is just saying the lawsuit can proceed to the point where she has to provide that evidence.
Which she should be able to easily do, assuming she's not a dishonest hack who was defaming him...
I am a bit surprised at your adoption of the left wing belief that people can choose pronouns that do not match their actual sex. Who is this "she" that you're talking about? Ryan Lizza is a man.
And I reiterate: the burden of proof remains with Nunes, not Lizza.
Not so much a belief as a "mistake".
"And I reiterate: the burden of proof remains with Nunes, not Lizza."
Take it up with the court, not me.
"Take it up with the court, not me."
They already know.
"this ruling is just saying the lawsuit can proceed to the point where she has to provide that evidence."
No, plaintiff has to prove that the claim is false. That's how defamation claims work, just like almost all the other kinds of claims, the plaintiff has to prove that they're entitled to the relief they are asking for, by a preponderance of the evidence. If defendant can prove that the statement objected to is true, then the plaintiff categorically cannot prove that it is false, and the lawsuit fails. But defendant doesn't have to set out to prove the truth of the allegedly defamatory statement, if defendant is confident that plaintiff cannot prove it false.