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Four Things Opponents of S.B. 8 Should Not Say
If you want to win before a conservative Supreme Court, you must learn to use the lingo of conservative Justices.
Consider this post a public service.
First, opponents of S.B. 8 should not say "the Court should have blocked S.B. 8." The appeal, as it came to the Supreme Court, involved a single judge in Tyler, Texas. Nothing the Supreme Court could have done would have "blocked" the law. Even an injunction against Judge Jackson would have been meaningless, as other Judges in Tyler could have heard the cases. I still have not seen anyone explain how the Supreme Court could have "blocked" S.B. 8, given that there was only one named judge in the case. Had the District Court used a single opinion to deny the motion to dismiss, certify the class, and grant the injunction, I think the situation would have been very different. But the judge's piecemeal approach allowed the government defendants to seek an interlocutory appeal based on the denial of sovereign immunity.
Second, opponents of S.B. 8 should not say "the courts will strike down S.B. 8." Courts do not strike down laws. If you have any hope of ever securing a fifth vote on this Court, you should erase this phrase from your vernacular. Courts can only issue enjoin named defendants, from enforcing specific statutes, against specific plaintiffs. If you have not yet committed the writ of erasure fallacy to memory, you are behind the curve. Jonathan Mitchell may have written the most significant law review article in a decade--and it has only 821 downloads on SSRN.
Third, opponents of S.B. 8 should not say that "S.B. 8 is unconstitutional." That statement is a non-sequitur. The correct statement is that "S.B. 8 is unconstitutional in a specific context." Given the law's intricate severability provision, a facial challenge is virtually impossible. Consider an example. Under present law, Texas could not prohibit abortions at six weeks. Indeed, the law incorporates Casey and Roe as an affirmative defense. But Texas could prohibit late-term abortions under Casey and Roe. S.B. 8 could not be used to impose liability for the six-week abortion, but S.B. 8 could be used to impose liability for a late term abortion. The law is valid in some contexts, but may be invalid in others. I also think it is risky to rely on the overbreadth doctrine, a principle in Free Speech law, which has come under attack by several members of the Court.
Fourth, eventually, some trial judge will find the law unconstitutional in a specific context. At that point, opponents of S.B. 8 still should not say "S.B. 8 is unconstitutional." That ruling would only bind the particular plaintiffs and defendants on those particular facts. Other plaintiffs, in other jurisdictions, with other claims, could sue the same defendants and reach a different result. This law is like a hydra: cut off one head, and two heads grow in its place.
If you want to win before a conservative Supreme Court, you must learn to use the lingo of conservative Justices.
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OK, who is going to take one for the team and find examples of Blackman saying each of these four things in his previous posts here on VC? I'd be very surprised if there weren't examples of each one.
Not even worth the time, Martinned.
Typical elite statist. Can't do something hisself, so he tries to turn it into a collective problem which someone else should handle.
Lmao. I was just thinking the same thing.
"Consider this post a public service."
If you're a litigator in front of the Supreme Court, you probably would do best to avoid the free advice of Josh Blackman.
You could say that again, but you shouldn't waste your time.
Not to mention the free advice of pseudonymous bitter internet posters who, dollars to donuts, have exactly zero direct experience before the Supreme Court....
Are any commenters here giving advice to lawyers "as a public service" like Josh is?
Chances are any attorney in the comments actually has significantly more courtroom experience than Blackman, a professor, does.
SB 8 is unconstitutional in a specific context.
Which context? Any context in which it is applied...
What if, for example, a husband sued his wife for having an abortion at 32 weeks?
Law doesn't let him do that, bud.
Why not?
S.B. 8 only creates a cause of action against others involved in providing or performing the abortion, not the (non-)birthing person.
Apologies, you are correct. I should've said the husband sues his wife's doctor for performing an abortion at 32 week.
My bad.
Excellent point, I focused on the "husband" part and totally Blackmanned it.
what part of aiding and abetting is missing from the action of the woman who brings a gravid uterus into the clinic. Had she not done that, then no abortion would have occurred.
What if?
Quite literally the preceding blog post:
I think the civil liability scheme imposed by Texas's SB 8 is likely unconstitutional
Without further comment.
Hahahaha
Josh’s ego grows daily. Now he’s treating the Supreme Court bar like it’s a Moot Court of 2L’s.
Josh does have the chutzpah.
I mean, telling people who have argued in front of the Supreme Court and/or clerked at the Supreme Court that they are doing it wrong ... when you have never done it yourself ...
Like killing your parents and pleading for mercy because you're an orphan.
Or trying to make fetch ... sorry, Blue June ... happen.
You sound a little envious there Loki. Don't you wish you were nationally recognized?
Nationally recognized and laughed at? Or known only to your colleagues and respected? I admit it's a tough choice.
If you're nationally recognized, someone's gonna hate on you. Haters gotta hate, after all. Doesn't matter if you're blue, red, black, or white.
But you and loki sound envious. I bet you wish you had authored articles that were circulated in national publications.
Armchair, your inability to discern among notoriety, celebrity, and honor is noted. Or is it reluctance to discern? Real question. Why must the nation endure the idiocy consequent to a seeming majority of the population conflating those?
Ok, it's a stretch, but is your call-out to "blue, red, black, or white" a reference to the Rothbard recording?
And possibly even to the dubstep remix of the recorded lecture? https://youtu.be/nFIxrk7_rpE
Kim Kardashian is nationally recognized. Charles Manson was nationally recognized. Trump is known the world round.
It's not exactly something to aspire to, as such.
One directs ire at Josh because he is an ambitious, sycophantic, logorrheic buffoon, who has been given a platform and too much free rein on a blog that used to be a home for sophisticated intellectual debate on libertarian legal issues - as Loki well knows, being a long-time commenter (as am I).
Ah yes. Kim Kardashian. Who has turned her national recognition into a net worth of 1.2 Billion USD. Who has used her national recognition to push for American recognition of the Armenian genocide. Who has used her national recognition to push for criminal justice reform.
But those things are "nothing to aspire towards"...according to you. Billionaire status. Influence to push the social causes near to your heart.
Right....
Kim Kardashian is nationally recognized, too.
And still more influential and more popular originalism, although originalism is a few months older than she is.
What is also nationally recognized is that South Texas School Of Law is a fourth-tier institution with a nondescript faculty, a less-than-mediocre reputation, undistinguished alumni, and students who could not arrange admission at strong law schools.
Appearing on Clinger TV (Fox, NewsNation, Straight Arrow, OAN, NewMax) is roughly the same type of national recognition that South Texas wishes it didn't have.
Blackman is not a nationally recognized attorney, let alone professor.
At this point, he appears to be. At least in professional circles.
Remember, this is a guy who has told Roberts how he should deal with leaks, and also how best to handle seating for spectators, not to mention a lengthy post on his favorite airplane seat.
An airplane post? Are we sure this isn't really Stewart Baker?
The supreme court is not conservative. It is at most centrist by a stretch. I wouldn't be suprised if Kav and maybe even Barrett are chomping at the bit to rule in the Dem's favor as long as they do it 'properly'.
Progs are just being their usual drama queen selves whining and acting like every single bump is the end of abortion and the immediate transformation into Gilead if the court doesn't bend over backward accept and immediately rule in their favor no matter how sloppy and technically incorrect their initial challenge is.
Five of the members are arch conservatives, who each have decades of conservative credentials. Roberts is more centrist, but still quite conservative. The rulings lately have also been quite conservative. There is nothing centrist about them. Your error is that you mistake conservative ideology for centrism.
"arch conservatives"
Only if you live in the People's Republic of San Francisco. For most of the country, they're middle of the road
"For most of the country"
The one that elected Biden by several million?
Clearly Armchair Lawyer measures "most of the country" according to acres, or livestock.
You would, too, if you were a poorly educated, roundly bigoted, disaffected clinger. The can’t-keep-up backwaters are all the culture war casualties have left.
Well, I'll let you vaccinated 'betters' die off, from the experimental drugs, you are lining up to get. Then, the World will be a better place.
Josh, you really ought to study logic if you're going to try to use its lingo. You clearly don't understand the term "non sequitur", for example. It means "it does not follow", and refers to cases where a conclusion does not proceed logically from the antecedents. For this to be the case, there must actually BE antecedents, so a statement like "SB8 is unconstitutional", which has none, cannot possibly be a non sequitur. "SB8 is unconstitutional" is a claim, not an argument. To be a non sequitur, it would have to have some irrelevant justification added to it, such as "SB8 is unconstitutional because I don't like it" (which, come to think of it, is about as far as most people's Constitutional analysis goes on any topic).
That doesn't really sound like a non sequitur so much as a bad argument. How about "SB8 is unconstitutional because pineapple does not belong on pizza"?
David,
You are quite right.
Pineapple does NOT belong on pizza.
On this we agree.
Well, it's a bad argument because it suffers from the non sequitur fallacy.
"If you want to win before a conservative Supreme Court, you must learn to use the lingo of conservative Justices."
I have it on good authority that it's actually a 3-3-3 court, not a conservative court, so I don't see what the problem is. Also, most of these arguments are not about winning in the Supreme Court, they are about winning in the court of public opinion. In fact, a lot of people seem to have strong opinions about this law - most of whom will not be litigating it at the Supreme Court. Why should they bother to "learn the lingo" necessary to enter the mind-palace of Brett Kavanaugh?
Or....Or....here's a crazy idea.
The Democrats use their majority in the House, majority in the Senate, and control of the presidency to just pass a law that prevents lawsuits for abortions under these circumstances. Just like what was done for gun manufacturers.....
Find the Commerce Clause hook.
Congress can't outlaw domestic violence against women; it probably can't do much about Texas's scheme. Not much that would withstand scrutiny in the Fifth Circuit, anyway.
Find the Commerce Clause hook.
1. People are paying for abortions.
2. By restricting abortions in one state, it pushes people to seek them in a different state.
That sounds a lot like the justification for the CDC's attempted eviction moratorium.
The eviction moratorium was fine, when it was passed by Congress. That moratorium expired.
The CDC's moratorium exceeded its powers that were granted by statue.
If Congress chose to, it could pass its own eviction moratorium again.
Anything illegal in one state conceivably drives people to go to another state.
Ergo all state laws are trumpable at will of the federal government.
It's not "illegal" nature, per se.
It's a commercial service with an interstate market. A Congress has a long history of being able to regulate commercial services with interstate markets.
The classic example here is firearms. Congress can, and has, regulated firearms, both to protect and ban them. Likewise, Congress could regulate abortion services, by protecting those who provide them from lawsuits. Just like they do for gun manufacturers.
Go look up "filibuster".
You never know till you try.
Or . . . they could flap their arms and fly to the moon.
Don't take A.L. seriously.
The most generous thing to say about him is that he likes to troll people with inane sophomoric comments.
"he likes to troll people with inane sophomoric comments."
See, bernard, that is another thing that we agree about.
Oh Don....
See, you keep insulting me, without even seeing my posts. At some point, that will understand the inanity there.
Sorry Bernard,
You really think that the Democrats in Congress shouldn't try to pass a law that protects abortion? Really?
This idea that Democrats shouldn't try to pass laws is somewhat mind-boggling. That they should just throw up their hands, a priori, and say "fillibuster" before even proposing it.
Yet another smug, stupid, sophomoric troll.
Asking Congress to actually pass laws to protect abortion is trolling? Seriously?
Do you even really care about abortion?
Blackman, you are a goofball.
And immediately following this post, Eugene writes:
"I think the civil liability scheme imposed by Texas's SB 8 is likely unconstitutional."
Uh oh....Eugene about to pwned by Blackman.
We all knew it was just a matter of time before Josh challenged Eugene for alpha dog status.
Rather than focus on combatting the Texas statute, advanced states might enact similarly structured laws, such as :
1. A law forbidding the hiring of Federalist Society members (now or past) to practice law and forbidding a Federalist Society member (now or past) to act as a judge -- and entitling any citizen to enforce the statute in court and claim a bounty consisting of double the amount such a lawyer would have charged for any such work (at a statutorily established hourly rate of $500) or double the amount such a judge would have been paid for the service.
2. A law forbidding hunting and fishing on public lands, with statutory penalties to be awarded to any citizen bringing an action against a suspected violator.
3. A law forbidding a blog to publish a vile racial slur, with statutory penalties to be imposed on the proprietor of the blog and any commenter involved in the publication of the vile racial slur and awarded to any citizen vindicating the statute in court. The penalty would be at least $33,000 for a first offense, with the fine doubling for each successive slur during any two-year period.
4. A statute prohibiting the imposition of viewpoint-driven censorship by any blogger(s) who work at a publicly funded (directly or indirectly) educational institution, with statutory damages to be awarded not only to any citizen establishing a violation in court but also to the person censored by the blogger(s); liability among bloggers contributing to the censoring blog would be joint and several.
5. A law prohibiting the hiring, by any school receiving public funds (directly or indirectly), as a teacher any person who refuses to disclaim superstition and to acknowledge evolution and the reality- and reason-based world.
Thanks for the ideas, clingers.
You seem to conveniently ignore first principle First Ammendment law that government restrictions have to be content neutral. Identifying jurist who are members of Federalist Society is hardly content neutral.
Oh . . . so you figure a constitutional violation is somehow an antidote to the type of legal mischief envisioned by Texas' anti-abortion absolutists?
Fascinating. You should hash that one out with Josh Blackman.
"If you want to win before a conservative Supreme Court, you must learn to use the lingo of conservative Justices."
Why would anyone choose to win before a conservative Supreme Court when the better (and betters') course would be to win after a conservative Supreme Court -- that is, after enlarging the Supreme Court, relegating the conservative justices to lifetimes of writing bitter, clinging, inconsequential dissents.
"lifetimes of writing bitter, clinging, inconsequential dissents"
It's 10 p.m. Do you know where your liberal minority is?
It's 2021. Do conservatives know where any prospects they might have for competitiveness in the culture war are?
You perceive and postulate that the right has moved to an extreme. In reality, the left has moved so far left that an Obama position is now considered hateful. Your democratic activists activities in " Filthadelphia " may have skewed and limited your ability to recognize the center of the democratic party let alone the country as a whole. Be self reflected not unbridled click bait.
I contend that the liberal-libertarian mainstream has been winning the culture war for so long as any of us has been alive. I assert that this is destined to continue -- Democrats arranging our national progress against the efforts and preferences of conservatives -- in modern America for so far as any reasonable eye can see.
If anyone believes he has a persuasive argument to the contrary -- one in which gun absolutists, religious zealots, anti-abortion absolutists, White nationalists, gay-bashers, xenophobes, and other Republicans and conservatives will prevail and reverse the tide of the culture war -- let's hear it.
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That's what I thought.
Apparently, not every court in Texas is in love with the "writ of erasure" fallacy as Mr. Blackman appears to be. For example, see Zimmerman v. City of Austin, 620 S.W.3d 473. It is unpublished, but contains a fair analysis of the so-called "writ of erasure" fallacy:
"This theory relies heavily upon a law review article, The Writ-of-Erasure Fallacy, 104 VA. L. REV. 933 (2018), authored by Jonathan Mitchell, who is serving as one of appellants’ attorneys of record in this Court.".... "As the Court of Criminal Appeals recognized over a century ago, when a legislative act is declared to be unconstitutional, the act is “absolutely null and void,” and has “no binding authority, no validity [and] no existence.” Ex parte Bockhorn, 62 Tex.Crim. 651, 138 S.W. 706, 707 (Tex. Crim. App. 1911). That court further colorfully pronounced that an unconstitutional law should be viewed as “lifeless,” as “if it had never been enacted,” given that it was “fatally smitten by the Constitution at its birth.” Id. at 707. Accordingly, the Court held that because such a law is “inoperative as though it never had been passed,” it is a “misnomer to call such an act a law.” Id. The general proposition that an unconstitutional law is void ab initio has been more recently upheld by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals in a variety of contexts. See, e.g., Salinas v. State, 523 S.W.3d 103, 121 (Tex. Crim. App. 2017) (“Declaring a statute facially unconstitutional is not finding constitutional court error or announcing a new court-made rule of criminal procedure; it is holding that the Legislature passed a statute so blatantly unconstitutional it should have never been passed.”); Smith v. State, 463 S.W.3d 890, 895-96 (Tex. Crim. App. 2015) (criminal defendant was entitled to seek relief from a conviction for the first time on appeal where he was convicted under a statute later declared facially unconstitutional, as under such circumstances, “there is no valid law upon which to base the conviction that appellant challenges”); Ex parte Lea, 505 S.W.3d 913, 914-15 (Tex. Crim. App. 2016) (statute found to be unconstitutionally broad on its face was void from its inception and must be treated as if it never existed, and therefore, a conviction under the statute can be challenged for the first time by way of post-conviction habeas corpus.). Therefore, we are not surprised that our research cannot find any instance where the Texas abortion statutes have been substantively applied in any criminal case for the almost 47 years since the U.S. Supreme Court found them unconstitutional."
I haven't had to deal with this legal theory yet, and haven't read that law review article, but might this be more of a federal thing? I did a Westlaw search on my state's case law and apparently the words "writ of erasure" have been written, let alone that it is a fallacy.
Just a thought, might this Texas strategy run afoul of the "Unconstitutional Conditions Doctrine" in that it is designed to (and probably actually does) chill a constitutional right? I have dealt with that doctrine, and there is a U.S. Supreme Court case (I don't have the precise cite handy) which justified the doctrine by saying something like "Surely our founders did not countenance the Constitution being evaded by such manipulation [i.e. the unconstitutional condition]." Typically, the 'unconstitutional condition' has been the government denying a benefit in order to chill constitution rights. But perhaps giving a benefit (i.e. the ability to sue in such an unfair manner) might qualify as well.
What the strong command the weak suffer. The real test is not our legal/academic ramblings, but what those in power eventually decide. To paraphrase, "Injustice never succeeds because if it does the Supreme Court will not call it so." Time will tell.
Once again, better analysis in the comments than in Blackman's own writing.
IPL,
That is a low bar, however.
By the time I finished reading the post I was thinking that the word "win" in the subhead needed to be in air quotes.
Anyway, is part of a solution to some or all of these problems the use of double-sided class actions, i.e, with both sides being classes of individuals rather than just one (or a handful of named) individuals? Granted, It's tough and unusual to get a class action against a party that doesn't want to be a class (either a defense class of potential bounty hunters in a declaratory judgment action by a potential abortion provider or a plaintiff class in an action brought to enforce the statute), but it's not contrary to any of the "lingo."
But how do you even construct a class of "potential bounty hunters"? If they haven't filed a lawsuit yet there's no way to identify them. A class of "everyone in Texas" would be ridiculous, and it still wouldn't include people who moved there later. Even a class of "everyone on the planet" wouldn't include people who haven't been born yet, so it would work but only for about 18 years.
Josh writes: "Third, opponents of S.B. 8 should not say that 'S.B. 8 is unconstitutional.' That statement is a non-sequitur. The correct statement is that 'S.B. 8 is unconstitutional in a specific context.'"
According to Westlaw, the number of times that "unconstitutional in a specific context" has appeared in any judicial opinion, or any court system, is zero. It has never appeared in any party's merits brief, either, although it appeared once in an amicus brief filed before the Supreme Court of Ohio.
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Touché!
opponents of S.B. 8 should not say "the courts will strike down S.B. 8." Courts do not strike down laws. If you have any hope of ever securing a fifth vote on this Court, you should erase this phrase from your vernacular.
Yes. I can just imagine Alito, for example, thinking he should vote to rule the law unconstitutional, context be damned, but then changing his mind when, to his horror, the challengers say the court should "strike down S.B. 8."
Do you think Josh--or a Supreme Court majority--would apply this reasoning to a California law allowing similar lawsuits against gun owners, large campaign donors, "hate speech" purveyors, etc..? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...