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Federal Judge Orders Vaccination as Bail Condition
From yesterday's decision by Judge Jed Rakoff (S.D.N.Y.) in U.S. v. Pimental:
[O]n August 16, the Court released the defendant subject to the requirement ( among others) that, prior to her release, she receive at least the first coronavirus vaccine shot, to be followed by a second shot within the following month. As this is an unusual condition, a brief explanation is in order. The Bail Reform Act of 1984 requires that a court order the pretrial release of a defendant on bail "subject to the least restrictive further condition, or combination of conditions, that [the court] determines will reasonably assure the appearance of the person as required and the safety of any other person and the community ….." 18 U.S.C. § 3142 (c) (1) (B) (emphasis added). See United States v. Sabhani, 493 F.3d 63, 75 (2d Cir. 2007); see also United States v. Salerno, 481 U.S. 739 (1987) (upholding constitutionality of Bail Reform Act).
In light of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and the danger to public health of choosing to forego vaccinations that protect not only the vaccinated individuals but the community as a whole, a condition of bail that is reasonably necessary to assure the safety of any other person and the community is to require that the defendant receive a COVID-19 vaccination before being released. COVID-19 vaccines are freely available in federal jails, and vaccination is vital to protect our communities and the most vulnerable among us from the worst risks of COVID-19.
It seems obvious that the Court has ample authority to impose such a condition. For example, pursuant to the Bail Reform Act, courts commonly require that a person (such as the defendant here) who is accused of being a drug dealer remain 24/7 in home confinement while wearing a burdensome electronic bracelet at all times—not just to secure against the risk of flight, but also to protect others against any danger the defendant might pose to the community through continued drug dealing. Similarly, it is commonplace in such circumstances for a court to order a defendant to submit to weekly urine tests, wear a drug-detecting skin patch, and the like. The accused can also be required to undergo both physical and mental examinations. If a court can impose these and other onerous restrictions as a condition of release, a fortiori, a court can take the much more modest step of requiring vaccination as a condition of a defendant's being released on bail.
While unvaccinated defendants held in custody also pose a grave risk to those people who are incarcerated with them, the Court has no authority over the Bureau of Prisons to second-guess its apparent policy of allowing those held in custody to forego vaccination if they so choose. However, when, as here, a defendant requests that the Court exercise its authority to release her from custody on bail, then the Court's responsibility is to set conditions on that release that will prevent a danger to the community, in this case, an enhanced risk of infecting other, innocent people and even potentially causing their deaths.
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What happened to Cruzan? It refers to competence, meaning understanding of the consequences.
This doesn't seem like even a close call. I was surprised to read here that, while still in federal or state or local custody, at least some places allow a prisoner to not be vaccinated. Given the mandatory close contacts within these locations, I'm surprised that prisoners rights groups have not been advocating for mandatory vaccinations while folks are still locked up. I'm surprised that prison law enforcement unions have not been advocating for mandatory vaccinations...at the very least for prisoners. But probably also for all staff and LEO. Interesting to read.
It's not a close call - but it's exactly opposite of what your comment concludes. This person is being required to get vaccinated after leaving the conditions of close and involuntary contact with others. You could plausibly require vaccinations of prisoners while they are incarcerated for the protection of other prisoners (though there are also substantial arguments against such a rule) but there is no such plausible argument once you release the person back to their own home.
This idea that "safety of the community" allows for unbounded authority is completely unmoored from the principles of justice, much less from the rules that are supposed to govern bail.
Indeed. Seems to be a dangerous overreach.
I am curious what you two think about the danger of an even more virulent, vaccine-resistant strain emerging, given all of the trillions of opportunities we are quite unnecessarily giving it.
I think it’s a big risk, that selfish anti-vax and anti-mitigation measures are greatly increasing that risk, and that one thing worse than a successfully-selfish policy is an ignorantly-selfish policy that on net ends up hurting even the ignorantly selfish.
No one is arguing that the vaccine isn't very beneficial and people should be vaccinated (of their own free will).
What we object to is the concept that we are going to force someone to get vaccinated or be jailed. Which is essentially what this is. That would seem to be an abuse of people's liberty.
There have been many, many, many issues of global concern throughout history. Diseases, overpopulation, global warming and more. But imposing severe "conditions" on bail to "cure" these issues is an offense against liberty. Judges in the past have ordered sterilization of people who were less fortunate. Even if overpopulation was a concern, doing so is an offense against their liberty.
"No one is arguing that the vaccine isn’t very beneficial and people should be vaccinated (of their own free will)."
Perhaps you should read all the comments before you make statements about what's not in them.
You seem to have a problem with being selfish.
When the ratio of others’ needless suffering or death to selfish personal benefit is sufficiently large, yes. Even more so when the “selfish personal benefit” turns out to be a net harm, one knowable in advance were it not for the willful ignorance, obstinacy and/or self-deception of the selfish.
I agree, Armchair, that such tradeoffs are also being made wrt global warming and certain other long-term global risks, and think them similarly unwise.
Our great great grandchildren will likely have the tools and motivation to identify and assess their ancestors’ positions on such matters in light of what actually transpired in the interim. I sometimes imagine this.
Do you?
Our great great grandchildren will likely have the tools and motivation to identify and assess their ancestors’ positions on such matters in light of what actually transpired in the interim.
Assuming the human race survives that many generations.
Yes ( I personally think that is highly likely, but in what condition is highly uncertain).
I'm surprised he isn't also ordered to come to a complete stop, and look both ways at all crosswalks and railroad crossings, make sure eggs are cooked all the way through without runny yolks, and Burgers are cooked to an internal temperature of 140 before serving them to another.
Rossami, aren't principles of justice more-or-less deliberately disconnected from principles of public health during a public health emergency, for the sake of prioritizing expedience as public policy? Seems to me, that might even be the defining legal characteristic of a public health emergency. Your argument to the contrary strikes me as insistence that the notion of rights puts emergency public health policy completely out of business.
No. Good lord, what a stupid concept. Your logic allows for a complete totalitarian takeover in the name of "public health". Moreover, your position allows any would-be tyrant to take over on the mere claim of public health.
Justice requires balance and consent. No sane system should be allowed to curtail all liberties in the name of preventing the spread of the common flu, for example. The degree to which liberties are surrendered must be proportionate to the threat. Deciding that relative degree requires debate and consent - things that the Legislature is designed to do but that public health agencies explicitly are not suited for. If, after debate and deliberation, the Legislature passed a law requiring probationers to get vaccinated, that might be defensible. Allowing individual judges the unilateral right to impose their own idiosyncratic interpretations, however, is not defensible.
This fellow is on bail, which means that he is promising to show up in court. Judge don't want him showing up all contagious and (stuff), so defendant will get vaccinated. The judge is just protecting the integrity of the docket.
"Your Honor, we require a continuance, on account a my client got the corona cooties, and cannot stand unassisted."
Sarcasm?
In case not, that's an indefensible standard. It is simultaneously under-inclusive (since the judge is not similarly requiring all court employees, lawyers, witnesses, jury members and prisoners not receiving bail to get vaccinated) and over-inclusive (since it requires vaccination of some who, through motion practice or other reasons will have their cases thrown out before ever getting back to the court). It's also indefensible because there is no practical limit to the judge's authority under that theory. A judge could equally require everyone to get measles vaccines, go through full NBC decontamination or all sorts of other absurd measures to prevent "danger".
"Sarcasm?"
Jesus frickin' Christ on a biscuit, isn't inventing a quote with inserted dialect enough? How do I send you two-bits so you can buy a clue?
The prisoners' rights group have been telling inmates not to get vaccinated and are then filing lawsuits saying they're in danger of dying and need to be released and you can't question someone's right to refuse medical treatment.
"you can’t question someone’s right to refuse medical treatment."
Back when I was on active duty, I don't remember anyone asking me if I wanted a shot for Typhoid Fever, or Yellow Fever, or any of the other dozen or so times they jabbed me with a sharp instrument or shot me with the water gun. I remember being told to hurry up and get in line.
and half of Reason cheers.
Half of you are below-average intelligence.
I had the impression CDC has now admitted that vaccinated people are more likely to infect others than unvaccinated people. Would that change anything?
How about the Nuremberg Code, which forbids forced vaccinations?
Link? They'd never admit that even if it was true.
Your claim is extremely dubious. Please print the quote as well as its source.
The Nuremberg Code, not being an actual law, can't forbid anything, but it not only does not textually forbid forced vaccinations but doesn't even apply to the topic. The Nuremberg Code is about medical experiments, not about treatment.
This emergency vaccine isn't a medical experiment? The government is using the populace as a beta tester for Big Pharma.
How would you having an incorrect impression change anything?
This seems quite wrong. Unlike prisoners, probationers are no more likely to be in high risk environments than any other member of the general public. And all the other restrictions listed by the judge are related to the probationer's unique circumstances (drug testing, bracelet monitoring, physical and mental examinations). Corrections officials have an obligation to protect the health and safety of the prisoner population, in pursuit of which they could reasonably conclude that mandatory vaccination is warranted. But a judge on a probation case has no such broad authority.
What's next - can a judge worried about climate change require probationers to recycle?
"Unlike prisoners, probationers are no more likely to be in high risk environments than any other member of the general public."
Yup. Given the restrictions usually placed on people as a condition of bail, it's possible that an unvaccinated person on bail is less dangerous than an unvaccinated member of the general public.
Potentially, the high rate of probation failures means that a probationer may suddenly find themselves in custody and it would be nice if they were vaccinated prior to going in.
I don't think the judge was thinking of it that way though.
This seems a bit slippery slope. Can they require a flu shot every year? Can they require any and all future shots which might help prevent any disease? What else can they give a vague generalization of 'harm' to and then require it of the individual?
I get the 'no harm' but this interpretation expands the literal above and beyond the meaning, allowing for all kinds of shenanigans if one takes time and effort to work through enough logic to convince a judge.
If you don't like the terms of the deal you were offered, you can always choose to decline them.
Don't want to get vaccinated? That's fine, but then go to prison. Your choice.
If she went to prison, she'd have a choice.
This is a pre-trial bail condition. She is only accused of a crime at this point.
Wha? She’s in custody now. She has a choice: accept the judge’s bail conditions or stay in custody until trial (or plea or dismissal or whatever). Or she can challenge the conditions via an appeal I would think.
Or “was” in custody. She must have chosen to accept the bail conditions.
"custody" is not "prison" She's a still innocent person in jail.
You are right, she could choose to stay but few rational people would.
The question is it right for the judge to impose such a choice.
He likely can but that does not mean he should.
I agree the real issue here is whether imposing this condition on a defendant's liberty to remain free pending trial, which is a SCOTUS-approved liberty right, is proper. It's probably up to the judge's discretion. I cannot predict how this would play out on an appeal, but I doubt it ever gets there since she apparently complied to get out and mooted the debate. I wonder if the judge makes this a condition in EVERY bail case, or if this woman was a special case for some reason.
Bail is dependent on the accused's degree of danger to the community. Having your defendants running around harboring a virus is not a "win" for anybody who isn't a virus.
“'custody' is not 'prison' She’s a still innocent person in jail."
I'm sure the difference between being in jail and being in prison is important in some way to people who currently are not in either one.
I'm also sure that most people who find themselves in are mostly focused on getting themselves back out again. Do you want to get out badly enough to get a shot?
In any case, we still have a ways to go and a lot of ground to cover before we reach the point where we're rounding up the unvaccinated and throwing them in prison (or jail) for not being vaccinated.
And if the Judge's bail conditions were showing a ballot in the upcoming election that voted for the Judge? What then?
Because of course the Judge has the safety of the community as an ideal, and ensuring he stays in power ensures the safety of the community.
You're right. That is exactly Trump's argument too!
Typical of The Armchair to make such an inane argument
Point being, you should realize that "some" conditions the judge could set would be so unreasonable and outside the scope of what is normal, that your argument "She has a choice: accept the judge’s bail conditions or stay in custody until trial" shouldn't apply.
Typically the public safety clause was used to justify actions that would prevent the person from criminally assaulting another individual. If you're going to expand it to a more general "public safety" (as is done here) we would need to ask, what are the outer bounds on such a public safety clause. Is there even one? Or can the judge put any conditions on bail, any he wants, so long as some tenuous connection to public safety is made? And the prisoner needs to accept those conditions, or stay in jail.
So, what ARE the outer conditions? Or is it, in your opinion, "Whatever the judge wants".
I don’t know the outer limits of the judge’s discretion to set bail conditions and it’s a good question how you find them. There is, I presume, a standard articulated in the case law that this judge knows but wasn’t stated in the excerpt of this opinion. It might be in the full opinion.
But in fact, this was a new expansion, in a broad new direction on the outer limits.
"You’re right. That is exactly Trump’s argument too!"
Which is it? Something that Trump would say, or right?
"And if the Judge’s bail conditions were showing a ballot in the upcoming election that voted for the Judge? What then?"
Not as big a deal, unless another condition is having the judge watch that ballot be submitted, and then ordering elections officials not to accept a replacement ballot from that particular person.
Elections officials have procedures to allow people to correct improperly market ballots. If you spill a coffee cup on your ballot, it doesn't mean that you're not allowed to vote.
Could the judge similarly impose a requirement that the defendant stop smoking as a condition of bail? Lose weight? Take vitamins?
Where does this stop?
There is no evidence that the COVID vaccines stop transmission, and the data out of Israel leave a question mark whether the vaccines even significant limit transmission. Indeed, this was *not* a primary endpoint for the trials that led to their authorization.
While I disagree with you on the efficacy of the COVID vaccines, I'll set that aside. The question of "where does the judge's authority to impose conditions on an accused's right to be free pending trial" is probably ensconced in a legal standard somewhere. I am pretty certain it would not ordinarily extend to ordering a person to take vitamins or lose weight for the safety of the community, but I wish the quoted decision had recited some legal standard the judge is supposed to apply when deciding what is the "least restrictive further condition, or combination of conditions."
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No one ever claimed that vaccination stopped transmission, only that it reduced transmission as the titers of immunized person is generally less that the unimmunized.
This is entirely theoretical, because we don't know what viral load is needed to actual transmit disease, and in what manner.
According to Nature, studies show that vaccines reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by more than 80%, but the Delta variant is creating fresh uncertainty. (July 2021).
Have a look at
Layan, M. et al. Preprint at https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.07.12.21260377 (2021).
Prunas, O. et al. Preprint at https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393 (2021).
Is it certain? Nothing is certain. Is it likely, yes.
It is still to early to find peer reviewed articles as studies would have been submitted by early July and the peer-review process typically takes several weeks. AT this point you have to be satisfied with preprints and news reports by the major scientific manuscript publishers
Well ... if you're going to go by random preprints, then how about: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1
More interestingly, how did you manage to post a message with two different links?
The preprints were not random. They were cited by Nature, the hworld's highest impact scientific (not only medical ) journal.
As for how to cite two link, that was dumb luck.
You link I found previously, but it answered a different question about comparing viral loads. The question was does vaccination reduce the spread. The answer seems to be yes because vaccinated people count for only 20% of the people with COVID-19.
I will send that link if you'd like.
And be polite, there are no need for insults if you re truly interested
Here is the CDC link as to %tage of cases:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htm?s_cid=mm7034e1_x
Thanks @Don ... viral load is mechanistically related to transmission risk, which is why having the same viral load might imply the same risk of transmission.
So far, we have only observational studies regarding delta transmission risk, and they are fraught with all sorts of confounders.
With respect to politeness, I couldn't agree more. May I please ask that you not, likewise, call into question my ability to read a research paper (something I have been doing for about 30 years with reasonable success).
"There is no evidence that the COVID vaccines stop transmission, and the data out of Israel leave a question mark whether the vaccines even significant limit transmission."
The fact that the highest rates of positive tests are happening where there are high numbers of unvaccinated twits is just a coincidence, then?
No ... but it is in part related to the CDC's decision not to test vaccinated people unless they are hospitalized (happened about 3 months ago).
So, there are no drive-through testing centers wherever the hell you are?
It doesn't matter ... when vaccinated people go to urgent care with a sore throat and a cough, they are not tested for COVID. Some might take the initiative to get tested anyway, but this simple distinction skews the case numbers.
And you say the CDC made this decision?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-limits-review-of-vaccinated-but-infected-draws-concern/ar-BB1gx1au
I didn't ask what Microsoft says. I asked what YOU say. Cat got your tongue (keyboard)?
What, did you lose the ability to follow links and read?
No. Did you lose the ability to answer questions?
Since the answer is "yes", I'll go ahead and answer that one for you.
"subject to the least restrictive further condition, or combination of conditions, that [the court] determines will reasonably assure the appearance of the person as required and the safety of any other person and the community ….."
One would hope that this means that the person doesn't pose a danger beyond what a normal member of the community imposes.
Could judge who finds that someone who otherwise pose no danger require someone to stay at home to avoid the possibility of car accidents, for example?
Oy.
This is a dangerous expansion of the typical "safety of the community" provisions. And it is not meant to apply to such a situation. It is designed for bail for a person who is actively dangerous in a violent manner.
What next? Let's use an "absurd" condition. A judge considers "Global Warming" to be a danger to the community. So, as a condition of bail, the person is forbidden from using cars, trucks, or other internal combustion engines.
Would that be legitimate?
Well, they should at least limit their car travel to electric cars with advanced safety aides.
A guy gets pulled over once for DWI. They might give him a pretrial restriction that he has to blow into a breathalyzer EVERY time he wants to start his car!
Was the person ordered to be vaccinated arrested for spreading COVID?
No, nobody gets arrested for spreading COVID.
It is interesting that we are hearing of this on the same day that even the Washington Post is now reporting on the "overly rosy assessments of vaccine effectiveness" by the CDC and, separately, that "vaccines [are] showing declining effectiveness overall."
No known vaccine has proven effective against the delta-plus, eta, iota, and lambda variants. In fact, there is some evidence that vaccines have caused complacency -- specifically, that vaccinated individuals wrongly believing they are not infected with the delta variant are now super-spreaders: a vaccinated delta carrier who sneezes (one common symptom of the disease) can infect an entire room.
"has proven effective against.."
Actually the reduction of both efficacy and effectiveness has been evaluated for several of the vaccines against sevral of the COVID variants of concern and of interest.
"Progress of the COVID-19 vaccine effort: viruses, vaccines and variants versus efficacy, effectiveness and escape," Nature Reviews Immunology, 2021 Aug 9;1-11.
doi: 10.1038/s41577-021-00592-1.
Brian probably gave the bogus comment about experimental vaccine technology. Pay him no attention
This is of course not true. The Washington Post is not doing any such thing. The Washington Post is reporting that critics of the CDC are saying that the CDC offered overly rosy assessments of vaccine effectiveness.
An opinion that (1) analogizes an irreversible injection with a still-experimental vaccine technology to temporary and non-invasive measures such as an ankle bracelet or a weekly piss test, and then (2) parrots language about being a danger to the community without grappling with the inconvenient fact that the unvaccinated defendant would in no way shape form or fashion present any more of a danger than any other unvaccinated person in that community, is so insulting to the intelligence that he may as well have not even bothered.
I guess he had to come up with some filler to fluff it up to (nearly!) 3 pages so it wouldn't look quite as arbitrary.
Isn't the purpose of bail to insure that the defendant shows up for further process and trial? How does this further that?
In fairness, bail also serves the purpose of protecting the community during the (supposedly brief) period before the trial. That's why serial axe murderers can be denied bail entirely while someone accused of minor traffic violations can be released on their own recognizance.
What if Axe Guy is just demonstrating his right to open-carry his axe?
I don't know enough about the law in this area to have a firm opinion, but the court's reasoning is unpersuasive to me. The court doesn't attempt to grapple with the meaning of the phrase "reasonably assure the appearance of the person as required and the safety of any other person and the community" -- particularly the constraints "reasonably" imposes.
The list of conditions that might be predicted to improve someone's safety is endless, so "reasonably" matters and deserves more thought.
"I don’t know enough about the law in this area to have a firm opinion, but the court’s reasoning is unpersuasive to me. The court doesn’t attempt to grapple with the meaning of the phrase 'reasonably assure the appearance of the person as required [...]'"
If he's in the hospital, or the morgue, he probably won't come to court.
Well then, better prohibit them from driving as well, since then they might get killed in a traffic accident.
Some people ARE prohibited from driving.
More interesting items here. I looked into the background.
We've got someone who turned themselves in for fentanyl trafficking. Doesn't really speak English. Immigrant from the Dominican Republic.
And the government is going to force a shot into her arm as a condition of her release? On public safety grounds? Wow... Could the judge order compulsory sterilization on public safety grounds, as a condition of release?
http://www.innercitypress.com/sdny5covidvaccineconditionicp081621.html
Or condition release on defendant giving him a blow job, on the grounds that he'd then be in a slightly better mood and less likely to harm the public through even more arbitrary and tyrannical opinions.
Do you have any idea if this judge imposes this condition on every case? Or was this woman a special case for some reason? Is there a racial bias anywhere in the judge's vaccine orders, like does he tend to reserve it for ESL immigrants? Interesting stuff.
I think the judge should treat defendants equally regardless of race or ethnicity, and I have no reason that Judge Furman would apply different rules to white defendants, black defendants, and Hispanic defendants. But note also the complexity of the "racial bias" inquiry here, if you're looking at which groups are burdened by such orders: Most people live and interact with people of their own group, so requiring a Hispanic defendant to get vaccinated (for example) would impose on the liberty of that Hispanic defendant but also disproportionately benefit other Hispanics.
Well that's prima facie racial discrimination isn't it? Issuing an order with the intent of specifically benefitting one race. That might fly for BIPOC, but if the defendant was White-Non Hispanic, it would just be more White Privilege.
You got to think these things all the way through, because you know someone will
Ya want flights of fancy, ya gots it coming right at ya.
Will no-one think of the virus? It's being oppressed. (sure, the original virus snuck into the country from somewhere else, but since then, it has replicated widely, and most of those viruses were born here in the US, so you can't discriminate against them because no fair! The Republican party of the United States has chosen to standup and defend the rights of those hard-working American viruses while the Democrats just keep trampling on the rights of the virus to spread to every living American. Said one, "you can take my virus when you pry it from my mucus-filled, dying lungs."
I’m not sure I follow. Are you suggesting a burden based on race might be permissible if it potentially confers even greater benefits on others of the same race? That sounds like a taking for public use, or at least an abuse of discretion.
I don’t know this judge, and I would presume he/she is a good and fair judge who doesn’t rely on racial presumptions in his rulings. But I’ve been around long enough to see some awful judges including at least one who went to jail. So as to this one, I’m just wondering what it was about this case that prompted the vaccine condition if that’s not standard. And I presume it’s not standard since he wrote an opinion justifying the condition. But maybe it’s becoming a standard condition for this judge?
Most people live and interact with people of their own group,
Really? To the same degree for all the groups? See what happens if you think that through.
Separate and unequal! As God intended...
"Most people live and interact with people of their own group..."
Such a racist assumption...
... that is based on real, observable facts.
"Could the judge order compulsory sterilization on public safety grounds, as a condition of release?"
Judges occasionally do it in exchange for a reduced sentence. Sometimes they're reprimanded, sometimes they're not.
Court-ordered medical procedures.
Second look at Skinner v. Oklahoma? New vitality for Buck v. Bell?
"New vitality for Buck v. Bell?"
Only if the judge ordered sterilization before trial
Might there be a basis for distinguish sterilization, which permanently impairs an important bodily function, from vaccination, which generally doesn't impair anything, but on balance tends to offer important protections?
It's a dangerous precedent to draw. The issue being, it's not always black and white with vaccines. On occasion, there are side effects, sometimes severe.
To give an example, the Polio vaccine can cause polio in rare cases. There were 959 cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus in 2020. That can lead to paralysis, which is distinctly permanent. We're not saying the polio vaccine isn't good. It largely is. But there are risks involved. And it's a question...should those risks be forcibly imposed on people as a condition of bail.
I think there's an important question to ask. Can or should judges require on medical interventions, or other interventions for bail, which "on balance tend to offer important protections". In their view...
In the olden days, people noticed that childhood chicken pox provided immunity to chicken pox. Then later someone worked out the relationship to shingles.
There is a basis for differentiating ankle monitors and vaccinations, though this judge saw the parallels as "axiomatic".
I have several issues with this decision, not the least of which is a judge playing doctor. For one, he's not really saying, "You have to take this vaccine," but, "You have to take this vaccine IF you want to get out of jail." (I might note that if the concern is COVID spread, then releasing her from jail would be much more effective than keeping her there). The judge seems to acknowledge that he lacks the authority to order a defendant to take a vaccine, but thinks he can order one as a bail condition. Perhaps he should do so for all defendants seeking bail. For everyone's "safety". Could he order other vaccines for diseases much deadlier than COVID?
Perhaps we could require COVID vaccines for everyone seeking access to the courts. Again, this road makes me uncomfortable. Frankly, I believe it "shocks the conscience" (to coin a phrase).
"Might there be a basis for distinguish sterilization, which permanently impairs an important bodily function, from vaccination, which generally doesn’t impair anything, but on balance tends to offer important protections?"
SCOTUS says no. "The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes."
I suppose this is solid proof that vaccines really do have a GPS chip included.
It is ridiculousto say that "safety of the community" means anything the judge thinks might help to make the community safe by any possible definition of the term safe. There has to be a rational limit to what that phrase empowers a judge to do. The phrase must have been intended to keep the community safe from the bailee committing crimes. Under this judge's rationale, he could require the bailee to only take public transportation to cut down on pollution.
Is there precedent for this?
Have criminal defendants been required to be vaccinated from polio or measles as a condition of release?
Why this vaccine?
It was probably just one on the list along with Polio, Measels and Small Pox.
"Is there precedent for this?"
There is now.
"Why this vaccine?"
Raging pandemic that this vaccine can affect.
Yes, a "raging pandemic" where 90+ percent of those that die have multiple comorbidites. If the defendant doesn't have any of those, they're as likely to die of covid as they are a traffic accident.
So nice of the virus to make sure that it never, ever jumps from strong, otherwise healthy young people to other people who are not as otherwise healthy.
Also, wouldn't it be a shame if the virus were to mutate into a new form that was more contagious, more deadly, or both?
The order would make sense if vaccination were to impact transmission of the Covid-19 virus. It does not. Vaccination reduces the likelihood of the vaccinated person's contracting the virus, but does not reduce the vaccinated person's contagiousness.
Does no one advise judges any longer? Do they no longer seek consultation as needed? This judge has been well regarded for quite some time. This mistake is surprising.
"The order would make sense if vaccination were to impact transmission of the Covid-19 virus. "
This is a stupid claim. What the vaccine does is prepare the body to fight the virus. This reduces susceptibility to the virus, because the body starts fighting the virus as soon as it enters the body. Not having your body's cells turned into virus factories is going to limit how many viruses you can potentially spread to other people.
It would make more sense to me to require vaccination under the guise of preventing him being a carrier in the likely event he returns to prison.
"The order would make sense if vaccination were to impact transmission of the Covid-19 virus. "
The goal isn't keeping him healthy, it's about keeping other people healthy. If he does spread the virus, spreading it to prisoners in custody is probably down the list of concerns. It's ON the list, because taking custody of someone and imprisoning them does create a duty to protect their health while they're in custody.
"And yes, when I was in, I just showed up one day and was told I was getting the small pox vaccine. My thought was 'that was eliminated in the wild, what are they not telling us.'"
It was eliminated because everyone got vaccinated. For a while, it looked like measles was on the same path.
"Storing medical information below the skin’s surface"
That's called a scar. You get one from surgery. If the surgeon is good, they can keep it small and barely noticeable to someone who isn't looking for it.