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One America Network's Libel Lawsuit Against Rachel Maddow Rejected by Ninth Circuit
Maddow had said OAN "really literally is paid Russian propaganda," in reaction to a Daily Beast story that an OAN employee had also been freelancing for Sputnik News.
Generally speaking, a statement isn't libelous if it (1) quotes or refers to an accurate factual assertion, and then (2) expresses an opinion that's clearly based on that assertion (rather than on undisclosed facts that the speaker claims to know). Thus, to quote the Restatement of Torts:
- A writes to B about his neighbor C: "I think he must be an alcoholic." A jury might find that this was not just an expression of opinion but that it implied that A knew undisclosed facts that would justify this opinion.
- A writes to B about his neighbor C: "He moved in six months ago. He works downtown, and I have seen him during that time only twice, in his backyard around 5:30 seated in a deck chair with a portable radio listening to a news broadcast, and with a drink in his hand. I think he must be an alcoholic." The statement indicates the facts on which the expression of opinion was based and does not imply others. These facts are not defamatory and A is not liable for defamation.
In this morning's decision in Herring Networks v. Maddow, the Ninth Circuit (in an opinion by Judge Milan Smith, joined by Judge John Owens and District Judge Eduardo Robreno) held that Maddow's statement about OAN fit the second illustration (which is constitutionally protected opinion). Maddow had referred to a Daily Beast story reporting that Kristen Rouz, an OAN employee, was freelancing for the Russian-government-financed Sputnik News—a factual assertion that OAN didn't challenge in this lawsuit—and said:
[P]erhaps the single most perfectly formed story of the day, the single most like sparkly story of the entire day is this scoop from reporter Kevin Poulsen at "The Daily Beast" who has sussed out that Trump's favorite more Trumpier than Fox TV network, the one that the president has been promoting and telling everyone they should watch and is better than Fox, turns out that network has a full time on air reporter who covers U.S. politics who is simultaneously on the payroll of the Kremlin. What?
"Maddow then repeated that 'at the same time [Rouz] works for Trump's favorite One America News team, he is also being paid by the Russian government to produce government-funded pro-Putin propaganda for a Russian government funded propaganda outfit called Sputnik.' Maddow explained that Sputnik played a role in the Russian government's interference in the 2016 presidential election and had formally registered as a foreign power with the United States Department of Justice." And she added:
[A]mong the giblets the news gods dropped off their plates for us to eat off the floor today is the actual news that this super right wing news outlet that the president has repeatedly endorsed as a preferable alternative to Fox News …. We literally learned today that that outlet the president is promoting shares staff with the Kremlin.
I mean, what? I mean, it's an easy thing to throw out, you know, like an epitaph in the Trump era, right? Hey, that looks like Russian propaganda. In this case, the most obsequiously pro-Trump right wing news outlet in America really literally is paid Russian propaganda. They're [sic] on air U.S. politics reporter is paid by the Russian government to produce propaganda for that government.
The italicized text is what OAN claimed was libelous, but the Ninth Circuit disagreed (applying California law, which follows the Restatement approach I mentioned above):
Maddow's dialogue before and after the contested statement is solely a reiteration of the material in The Daily Beast article. At no point before the contested statement does Maddow "imply the existence of additional, undisclosed facts." Instead, Maddow reports the undisputed facts and then transitions into providing "colorfully expressed" commentary…. By "disclos[ing] the factual basis" of her statement, Maddow reveals that the contested statement was merely her own "interpretation of the facts presented." The audience could "accept or reject [Maddow's] opinion based on their own independent evaluation of the facts" specifically because the undisputed news story is readily distinguishable from Maddow's commentary.
Maddow's use of hyperbolic rhetoric bolsters this conclusion. "[L]oose, figurative, or hyperbolic language … negate[s] the impression" that the contested statement is an assertion of fact. In comparison to the undisputed facts that Maddow reports, the contested statement was particularly emphatic and unfounded: Maddow went from stating that OAN employs a Sputnik employee to stating that OAN reports Russian propaganda. A reasonable person would understand Maddow's contested statement as an "obvious exaggeration" … "sandwiched between precise factual recitations" of The Daily Beast article.
And the court also noted the opinionated nature of Maddow's program:
We agree with the district court's conclusion that the broad context of Maddow's show makes it more likely that her audiences will "expect her to use subjective language that comports with her political opinions." … Although MSNBC produces news, Maddow's show in particular is more than just stating the news—Maddow "is invited and encouraged to share her opinions with her viewers." In turn, Maddow's audience anticipates her effort "to persuade others to [her] position[] by use of epithets, fiery rhetoric or hyperbole." Therefore, the medium through which the contested statement was made supports Maddow's argument that a reasonable viewer would not conclude the statement implies an assertion of fact.
Focusing one level closer, the tenor of the segment in which Maddow made the contested statement also supports the conclusion that a reasonable viewer would have understood that Maddow was expressing her opinion…. On appeal, Herring [which operates OAN] primarily relies on Unelko to argue that the broad context of the contested statement demonstrates that reasonable viewers would take the statement as factual. Its reliance is misplaced.
In Unelko, the plaintiffs sued Andy Rooney, arguing that his assertion on 60 Minutes that the plaintiffs' product "didn't work" was a defamatory statement of fact. The segment in which the statement was made involved Rooney describing the "'junk' [that] he had received in the mail," including "caps, and a lot of cups," an expensive watch, pictures of himself, an orange peeler, and "an ashtray in the shape of a human lung." Among the "junk" was the plaintiffs' product: "something for the windshield of your car called Rain-X." In describing the product, Rooney notes that he "actually spent an hour one Saturday putting it on the windshield of [his] car." Rooney presumes that "[t]he fellow who makes this … [would] like a commercial or a testimonial … [but i]t didn't work."
We ultimately reversed the district court's grant of Rooney's motion for summary judgment. Although the tenor of the segment was "humorous and satirical," we found that "[t]he humor in Rooney's statement" was derived "from the fact that his report of the product's effectiveness was the antithesis of what its inventor presumably desired." The statement, therefore, "receive[d] no protection based on the overall tenor of [the] segment."
The facts in this case are much different. Maddow's astonishment and the segment's tone of "surprise and glee" were derived from the news presented in The Daily Beast article—a story that Herring does not allege is defamatory. In Unelko, the segment is funny only if Rooney's statement is an assertion of fact, whereas here, Maddow's segment maintains a gleeful tenor not because of Maddow's single line that OAN is "paid Russian propaganda," but because of The Daily Beast's breaking news. Given the broad contexts of the two statements, a reasonable viewer would understand Maddow's statement as colorful commentary and Rooney's statement as a factual assertion of Rain-X's effectiveness.
The general context of Maddow's statement, therefore, "negates the impression that [she] impl[ied] a false assertion of fact." Maddow "fairly describe[d] the general events involved" in The Daily Beast article and "offer[ed her] personal perspective about some of its ambiguities." A reasonable viewer would be able to differentiate between Maddow's commentary and the actual news she is reporting.
Sounds correct to me.
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Personally I'm surprised the ruling didn't just state that OAN had no reputation worth anything that anyone could ruin.
On top of that the OAN viewer base would categorically reject anything Maddow would have to say anyway and in fact be more inclined to think the opposite. So her saying something negative about them would help them, not damage them.
Agreed. You would think OAN would wear Maddox comments as a badge of honor. Maybe even hire more Russian journalist.
Why is Volokh quoting as authoritative the Restatements of a private, scumbag lawyer organization that is trying to boss around legislatures? Try to stay out of that organization. Every member is on the arrest list of lawyer hierarchy, for arrest, trial and summary execution.
Again, Maddow's statement is not factually or measurably harmful. If an advertiser says, I am breaking my contract due to the opinion of Maddow, then sue the advertiser for the remainder of the payments in the contract. That loss of money is real, and measurable, and based on a false statement by someone else.
Maddow likely spend $100000 to get to first pleading. Has she been a regular person, the cost could have been $5000. The lawyer sees the client coming. However, I continue to support the American Rule based on the argument of Kazinski, Volokh's mentor. He is even smarter than Volokh and certainly much more effectively persuasive. He said, would you like to pay for OJ's Dream Team after his not guilty verdict?
I would appreciate a Restatement of Guideline Maker Liability. That way, victims of this scumbag lawyer organization can be made whole for the damages caused by its carelessness and by self dealing quackery.
You may feel, too harsh, to arrest, try and execute the members of the ALI. They are just academics reporting on recent cases and laws.
They are mass murdering quacks responsible for the failure of every self stated goal of every law subject. Their biggest failure is the out of control rate of common law crime, and the updated version of internet crime, around a billion, with millions of frauds committed by the platforms them themselves inflating viewerships.
BEHAR SMASH!
Authoritarian nut.
Um, with defamation your position is that a speaker saying something bad shouldn't be liable; only the people who listened to/believed the speaker should be. But here you want the speaker (ALI) to be liable rather than the people who listened to the speaker.
Those judges really literally do not understand the English language or law. I conclude they must be unregistered foreign agents, taking Chinese and/or Russian money to undermine the US legal system. Bring out the wood chipper!
Really engaging with the material. Lots of deep thinking here.
Well, you could try to get the ball rolling in the right direction ....
What a bizarre perspective considering it's a response to YOUR article.
I get Prof. Volokh's impulse, but I will admit I did not have much interesting to say about the article.
Pretty standard defamation case with a standard trajectory.
" Well, you could try to get the ball rolling in the right direction …. "
As could you.
Maybe someday?
The clone of a Behar comment applied to a judge who let a leftist escape from the clutches of Russia control is a Russian agent!
Please relax a few minutes.
Well, he is (ironically perhaps) illustrating the correctness of the opinion. What he is saying is not defamatory either, given the context, hyperbole, opinion based on disclosed facts, etc. It is actually quite a clever comment if he is indeed being intentionally ironic.
The wood chipper reference was meant as a clue to that,
yes (https://www.popehat.com/2015/06/08/department-of-justice-uses-grand-jury-subpoena-to-identify-anonymous-commenters-on-a-silk-road-post-at-reason-com/).
I think it's fairly ludicrous for a statement alleging a fact that can be proved untrue to get protection as "opinion" just because it is couched in the context of an accurate news report that does not really support the alleged fact. In this case, the individual journalist's outside employment does not prove anything about OAN as a whole, and it does not even show bias in that writer's work for OAN.
But, hey, that kind of statement is sauce for the gander too.
So, not ironic. Didn't think so.
"it does not even show bias in that writer’s work for OAN"
It suggests a conflict of interest, those are suspect for good reason.
Oh to live in a world where only freshmen college deductive logic exists.
“So, not ironic. Didn’t think so.”
?? You think he really thinks the judges are Chinese agents?
"Well, he is (ironically perhaps) illustrating the correctness of the opinion."
"I think it’s fairly ludicrous for a statement alleging a fact that can be proved untrue to get protection as “opinion” just because it is couched in the context of an accurate news report that does not really support the alleged fact. "
The point is that the subject of such a statement does not suffer harm because the facts on which the opinion is based are disclosed.
If I say, "I think Michael P molests kittens," someone might read that and think that I have evidence that you molest kittens, and therefore believe the statement. But if I say, "I saw Michael P smile as he left the pet store, and therefore I think he molests kittens," then someone who reads that knows that I don't have any evidence, and so has no reason to believe it.
Neither "X really literally is paid Russian propaganda" nor "X molests kittens" is an opinion, though. Was X paid to distribute a message by or for Russia? Has X molested kittens? These are falsifiable propositions, not a question of judgment like "X is an alcoholic".
"Neither “X really literally is paid Russian propaganda” nor “X molests kittens” is an opinion, though."
No, but whether or not you can reasonably infer the claims from the available evidence is an opinion.
So if you say, "X molests kittens", people will assume that there are facts from which you can make that inference.
But if you say, "I think X molests kittens because he smiled while leaving the pet store" then people understand what the facts are and can choose whether or not to make the same inference.
Oh, the irony.
I understand the argument, I just think that conclusions like "really literally is paid Russian propaganda" and "molests kittens" should be distinguished from "is alcoholic" because the former are much more falsifiable and less subjective (even experts can disagree about borderline cases of alcoholism, but accepting payment to publish a Russian message and molesting a kitten are much more objective) and because the evidence presented does not reasonably support the conclusion.
It's also questionable to use a "reasonable person" standard when so many of these demagogues aim their shows at unreasonable people.
"X is an alcoholic" is a judgment call, and thus in the domain of opinion: There's a spectrum of behaviors where reasonable people can disagree over whether a subject is alcoholic or not.
"X really literally is paid Russian propaganda" is not opinion -- unless one has evidence that X took money from Russia to publish messages, there's no reasonable basis for that claim, and the law should not protect people who hide behind a claim of disclosing that they don't have any actual facts to support the false, defamatory conclusion.
You're eliding. "X employees someone paid to write Russian propaganda so I conclude X is really literally paid Russian propaganda' is what's going on here. She's making a judgement call based on the true fact that they employ someone paid to write Russian propaganda, just like the person that claims Y is an alcoholic based on the true fact that, say, his car is seen parked near the liquor store a lot is a judgement call.
But this is neither here nor there, really, is it? You're just tribally defending OAN. OAN does this sort of hyperbolic leap to conclusions *regularly,* as does most of right wing media (indeed, the pathetic Maddow is geared to be a left wing mirror of that). If your principle were applied it would whipsaw back on your side exponentially.
I'm not sure which is stupider: What you are imputing to Maddow or the fact that you have to rewrite what she said in an attempt to excuse it.
I don't particularly care whose else goose gets cooked by the rule I described. If OAN violates it, they deserve to get smacked down. It's kind of a sad commentary that you think "but whatabout your side!" is a convincing argument.
I'm not rewriting Maddow, I'm fixing the elision you did of her statements. As David and 12" are also trying to do. In your rush to defend tribal member OAN you stepped in it. There would be more dignity in admitting it.
So when you said "[Z] is what's going on here", did you mean she literally said Z? Or did you, in fact, rewrite what she said?
What harm has come from the thoughts of others? Specify and quantify the harms. I may avoid letting him watch my kitten. That is a benefit to him, less work.
People act on their thoughts, such as not wanting to do business with or otherwise associate with kitten molesters, authoritarian doofus.
If someone cancels him for this rumor, molesting kittens, sue the woke cancel person.
But if I say, “I saw Michael P smile as he left the pet store, and therefore I think he molests kittens,” then someone who reads that knows that I don’t have any evidence, and so has no reason to believe it.
But suppose you leave out the "therefore."
“I saw Michael P smile as he left the pet store. I think he molests kittens,”
It looks to me like this whole, "opinion" vs. "opinion based on stated facts" business is pretty tenuous. It makes sense, in the abstract, but the distinction will often be hard to make, ISTM.
"It looks to me like this whole, “opinion” vs. “opinion based on stated facts” business is pretty tenuous. It makes sense, in the abstract, but the distinction will often be hard to make, ISTM."
QA jumping in to accuse bernard11 of tribally defending OAN in 3...2...1...
"Really engaging with the material. Lots of deep thinking here."
Ackshually, the comment does engage with the material.
I guess facile engagement is a type of engagement...
It's tiresome how when a right wing person makes a facile response and someone calls it so then someone says to the second person 'why not elevate the discussion?'
How many months has it been since you made an actual, substantive, on-topic comment here? Your personal attacks and vapidly partisan sneering are incredibly tedious.
The very comment you're responding to is such.
You were no more able, or perhaps no more willing, than S_0 to distinguish between satire that topically engages with the subject and a "facile" response. Your comment was so a-topical that you, meaning QA specifically, could (and perhaps do) post it on any number of other threads, and its only pretense at substance is unsubstantiated attack.
Lol! Your comment was essentially 'teacher says she's not in trouble because she didn't really say he was a doody-pants, so I'll say teacher is a doody-pants and he can't complain because he just said what she said won't get you in trouble.' It's facile to the core.
Just when I think I've gone and stockpiled too much popcorn, you have to drop something like this....
"Your comment was essentially ‘teacher says she’s not in trouble because she didn’t really say he was a doody-pants, so I’ll say teacher is a doody-pants and he can’t complain because he just said what she said won’t get you in trouble.’ It’s facile to the core."
You may have mis-understood his comment.
And, let's be more clear. My comment that you are responding to was to and about Volokh's comment that Sarcasto should elucidate as to why your comment was facile and where the conversation should go, saying this is part of a terrible trend. The original poster of the facile comment should be chastised, not those who call them out.
Note it seems no one is defending your 'substantive' or 'parody' point. Not Volokh, not David, not 12". Am I (and Sarcastro) wrong to bluntly tell you its facile? I thought your side was the 'f*ck your feelings side....'
Yawn. You don't seem to know what "facile" means. Just like you forgot that you already complained about 12"'s response to S_0 that defended my first comment.
Strangely, you don't want Maddow to be meaningfully chastised for making the kind of comment I (satirically) did. Maybe my comment was less "facile" than you claim.
QA is firmly in quadrupling-down-on-stupidity-rather-than-admitting-a-mistake territory. You're not going to dissuade him/her/it from continuing to dig that hole even deeper.
Do you think your comments on this post are less facile than Michael P’s?
Yes.
This was an interesting thread to peruse with so many of the participants muted. It was a little like "Garfield Minus Garfield."
NPR "really literally is paid US propaganda."
I thought NPR was full of America-haters?
NPR is left wing Democrat propaganda. Even the cooking shows and plant shows have an anti-corporation, Hate America message.
Self-hate is the official policy of the US government.
Anti-fracking propaganda is literally “Russian disinformation”…that means MSNBC literally spreads Russian disinformation.
Did The Guardian "play a role" in British (and a dozen other foreign nations) efforts to interfere in US elections?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
Trump Election Conspiracy Theories: Die Hard XIV
"Maddow's use of hyperbolic rhetoric bolsters this conclusion. "[L]oose, figurative, or hyperbolic language … negate[s] the impression" that the contested statement is an assertion of fact."
Hey, it's the Tucker Carlson defense. I wonder if NPR will do a similar writeup.
Naw, Maddow used it first. In this specific case, even. Carlson will be lucky if Maddow doesn't sue him for IP infringement.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot. For instance, if a TV personality stated that CNN/MSNBC are Chinese agents, because in their cases, the most obsequiously pro-
Trump rightBiden left wing news outlets in America really literally are paid Chinese propaganda.That of course could not be true. It is not as if CNN or MSNBC would ever carry water for the communists.
It might be interesting because the shoe is not on the other foot because no CNN or MSNBC staff also work for Chinese news media. So case closed.
Do you know of a CNN or MSNBC staffer who is in the pay of the Chinese government?
No, do you?
Why pay for what they can get for free?
Then why talk about the shoe being on the other foot?
OAN should appeal. It should matter that it was false and defamatory.
The argument that someone might understand it as an exaggeration instead of a factual assertion can be offered when damages are being decided.
We need to make the news media and pundits pay for their industry-wide practice of casually lying and defaming people.
Where you going to start. Hunter Biden, Christine Blasey Ford, Anthony Fauci. Fox and OAN are pretty free in their accusations.
No examples cited. Perhaps your memory of [whatever] content is incorrect. A lot of what partisans (and most of the news media are strong partisans) say can’t be backed up with examples.
Many go out of their way to avoid citing examples, knowing the actual facts don’t support what they are saying.
It's truly hilarious to watch regular imbibers of right-wing media call for legal crackdowns on reckless hyperbole. I mean, heck, OAN itself is trying hard right now to escape defamation liability for it's wacky stolen election hyperbole.
Self-awareness, how does it work?
Apparently not very well when it comes to ending every other post with this sort of tiresome construct....
It's called opinion.
I personally prefer it when opinions are based on reality and that basis can be demonstrated in some way. You and everyone else may choose alternate preferences.
" OAN should appeal. "
OAN does appeal.
To racists. To gay-bashers. To misogynists. To White nationalists. To Republicans. To xenophobes. To the poorly educated. To conservatives . . ..
Um, OAN did appeal. That's what this was. They lost once, and now they've lost again.
"really literally is paid Russian propaganda"
Years ago, a partner I was working with was in front of a federal judge in a criminal sentencing, and in response to a question from the bench, he said, "Respectfully, Your Honor . . ." To which the judge said, "In my experience, whenever a lawyer says 'respectfully,' what he really means is, 'you idiot, can't you understand what I am saying?'"
Whenever someone says something is "really, literally X" then I read that to mean, "I am about to recite some made-up bulls--t." Which is why I don't think this is defamatory.
Yup. Just like "Very Truly Yours" at the end of a discovery letter really means "Fuck You Very Much."
Maddow didn't say "(Insert true statements here) ergo I have concluded that I believe X."
She simply said, amid factual things, that "X is literally true."
She did not stop at saying there existed a reporter who worked for Russia. She extrapolated and then asserted as "literal" fact that OAN, as an entity into itself, worked for Russia and published Russia's propaganda.
That is a huge leap that, while it may be true, is not supported by the uncontested facts. Yet she stated it as "literally " a true thing along with the other uncontested facts.
There was no segue or transition from facts to personal evaluation of facts.
I am a pretty big 1A guy. But I think this is a wrong ruling unless she can prove the statement in question.
I also think the judgement of how a show should be viewed is irrelevant. What matters is how the audience does view it. And in the cases of Maddow, Tucker, etc their statements of fact are intended to be taken as such, and the viewers do take them that way.
What she said was akin to "I see Bob drink all the time. Everyone in Bob's family is therefore an alchaholic." I think everyone in Bob's family should have a case (except Bob as he is the one seen drinking).
At the risk of creating a tangent, I'll say that of all the products advertised on late night TV (or whatever the modern equivalent in the internet age might be) RainX is the only one that actually works.
When I buy windshield washer fluid, I pay the extra dollar or two for the RainX version. It really does help keep the windshield more transparent and in light rain the water just beads up and rolls off without the wipers being needed.
Oh, and FWIW, it seems the OAN v Maddow suit was decided correctly.
The really outrageous case like this was Candace Owens v. Facebook, which was summarily dismissed because the "fact checker" labeling her post with the phrase "Hoax Alert" was nevertheless stating non-actionable opinion. As far as I'm concerned that is an out-and-out lie by a biased judge. The label "fact checker" ought to categorically prevent such a ruling no matter who the parties are.
So you're saying that you'd prefer that Candace Owens had lost on the substantive grounds that the labels she objected to were accurate?