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To Serve Ceviche
Justices Sotomayor and Gorsuch spar over the Peruvian delicacy.
On Friday, the Supreme Court decided Yellen v. Confederated Tribes of Chehalis Reservation. But the companion case better describes the dispute: Alaska Native Village Corp. Association et al. v. Confederated Tribes of the Chehalis Reservation et al. Here, Indians were not suing the federal government for the denial of benefits. To the contrary. The Treasury Department wanted to provide about $500 million of CARES Act funding to Alaska Native Corporations (ANC). But other Indian tribes sued the Treasury, arguing that the small ANCs were not entitled to the funds. You see, the amount of money allocated for Indian tribes was fixed. And if ANCs received more, other tribes received less. This case presented a dispute between Indians.
Justice Sotomayor wrote the majority opinion. She was joined by Chief Justice Roberts, and Justices Breyer, Kavanaugh, and Barrett. Justice Alito joined all of the opinion, except for Parts II-A and II-B. (He did not explain why he disagreed with those parts, which were quite important). Justice Gorsuch dissented, and was joined by Justices Thomas and Kagan. I believe this is the first time this 6-3 split emerged. Indeed, this was one of the rare times this Term that Justices Sotomayor and Kagan disagreed.
I don't know nearly enough about federal Indian law to decide which opinion has the better argument. The majority and dissent disagreed about the series-qualifier canon, which also divided the Court in Facebook v. Duguid.
The most entertaining part of the opinion concerned, of all things, ceviche. This back-and-forth between Justices Sotomayor and Gorsuch was a refreshing break from this otherwise tedious term.
Justice Sotomayor offered this hypothetical about the Peruvian delicacy:
A restaurant advertises "50% off any meat, vegetable, or seafood dish, including ceviche, which is cooked." Say a customer orders ceviche, a Peruvian specialty of raw fish marinated in citrus juice. Would she expect it to be cooked? No. Would she expect to pay full price for it? Again, no. Under the reading recommended by the series-qualifier canon, however, the ceviche was a red herring. Even though the 50%-off sale specifically named ceviche (and no other dish), it costs full price because it is not cooked. That conclusion would make no sense to a reasonable customer.
I visited Peru several years ago. I can attest that ceviche is delicious. Later, Justice Sotomayor returns to the ceviche example:
Consider again the example of a restaurant advertising "50% off any meat, vegetable, or seafood dish, including ceviche, which is cooked." On respondents' logic, because the restaurant technically could cook its ceviche, the only way to read the advertisement is that ceviche is full price unless the restaurant takes an unexpected culinary step.
That is wrong. The best reading of the advertisement is that ceviche is 50% off even if it is not cooked, just as the best reading of ISDA is that ANCs are Indian tribes even if they are not federally recognized.
Justice Gorsuch responds to the ceviche argument in a footnote:
To support its implausibility argument, the Court proposes a hypothetical advertisement for "'50% off any meat, vegetable, or seafood dish, including ceviche, which is cooked.'" Ante, at 20. The Court posits that any reasonable customer would expect a discount even on uncooked ceviche. It's a colorful example, but one far afield from Indian law and the technical statutory definitions before us. Even taken on its own terms, too, the example is a bit underdone. A reasonable customer might notice some tension in the advertisement, but there are many plausible takeaways. Maybe the restaurant uses heat to cook its ceviche—many chefs "lightly poach lobster, shrimp, octopus or mussels before using them in ceviche." See Cordle, No-Cook Dishes, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, July 17, 2013, p. L4. Maybe the restaurant meant to speak of ceviche as "cooked" in the sense of "fish . . . 'cooked' by marinating it in an acidic dressing" like lime juice. See Bittman, Ceviche Without Fear, N. Y. Times, Aug. 14, 2002, p. F3. Or maybe the restaurant simply listed every dish it makes, understanding some dishes would be excluded by the concluding "cooked" proviso. Even in the Court's own hypothetical it is not "implausible" to apply the modifier across the board.
Underdone indeed. We're still waiting to learn the ingredients of Justice Gorsuch's steak rub.
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Some learned restaurateurs -- whose credentials and experience in this area likely overwhelm those of any Supreme Court justice or clerk -- contend ceviche is cooked (by acid rather than by heat).
I was going to say that. My sister was a chef, and she took exactly that position. You're cooking the seafood when you add the acid. That's why the shrimp turn opaque when you add the acid.
I'm quite fond of Kini Lau, the Filipino version of cerviche. Basically the same thing, but sometimes made with lean beef.
I think the best way of reading that quote from the opinion was, if there is any debate on whether ceviche is cooked, we consider it is, and is therefore part of the 1/2 off deal.
In other words, the restaurant is including ceviche in its definition of "cooked" for the benefit of the customer.
I think the best way to read the opinion is that the Alaska Native corporations' claims to CARES Act money are cooked.
Oops. I meant "aren't cooked".
Your sister is exactly right Brett. Cooking means to denature the protein. Whether it is done thermally or chemically is immaterial.
The key point is to kill anything in the food that might get you sick. Denaturing the protein is just a means to that end. Perfectly raw shrimp might well be delicious, but would it be safe to eat? The acid accomplishes that just as the heat would.
With real care taken, I'm glad to eat uncooked meats and seafood.
This is a common misconception. Acidic marinades inhibit growth of many pathogens, but they do not kill most of them, nor do they kill most parasites (think the various forms of worms that like to take up residence in fish flesh).
Always enjoy Kini Lau when visiting the Philippines. Especially served with fish that was pulled from the ocean just an hour or so earlier. There are benefits to staying with family in the provinces in a fishing village. Getting the catch of the day hand delivered to your home by the younger nephews and nieces is one of them.
My in laws live in the mountains above Cagayan de Oro, so you're more likely to get chicken or pork when visiting them, but the coastal restaurants typically serve seafood that fresh, too, not just family. Especially if you're off on some tiny island.
I'm hoping when this covid mess finally subsides I can get back there for a visit, it's been years since I've seen them.
I visited Peru several years ago. I can attest that ceviche is delicious.
I'm not convinced that it's necessary to go to Peru to eat ceviche.
Correct. Gaston Acurio's excellent La Mar serves it up on San Francisco Bay at a beautiful location.
The VC is becoming unreadable lately. I am sick of this being Josh’s personal reading notes. Most of these posts are a waste of readers’ time.
Eugene, please rein this guy in.
I vote for unrestrained Blackman.
(I blame my libertarianism.)
The simpler solution is to just not read his posts. Once again, we have this spectacle of some Josh-hater who'd rather prevent everyone else from reading Josh's posts, because he hasn't got the self-discipline to just skip reading what he knows he can't stand. typical damned statist. "I don't like it, so I don't want you to be able to do it."
Fuck off, slaver.
That is simple, but it's not a solution to the Blackman problem-—and when you keep suggesting it, you reveal that you don't understand the problem we're actually complaining about.
The Volokh Conspiracy is at its best when interesting posts spark a spirited discussion among sophisticated legal thinkers. But people only have a finite amount of time, and when every interesting post is pushed to the bottom of the page or worse by Prof. Blackman's latest installments word salad about John Roberts, it means that fewer snd fewer people are going to take the time to scroll down, find the interesting posts, and engage in the comments. (The problem is, of course, exacerbated by Reason's execrable commenting interface.)
And of course it's a feedback loop—the more good commenters leave, the less good posters want to post (we miss you, Prof. Kerr!) which means the site gets dominated more and more by Blackman posts, which further drives off the good commenters, and so on. In the meantime, I'm going to stand athwart the wheel of history dunking on the guy.
If you don't like it, you can fuck off, slaver.
What a classic statist attitude!
You are too lazy to spend 2 seconds scrolling down the page past the offending articles, but so enraged that you have time to click the "Show comments" button, type in a rant, and click "Submit".
* I don't like something.
* This practice is utterly harmless to me and everybody else.
* I could easily ignore this practice.
* But I am too enraged to simply ignore it.
* I am so enraged that I must stop this practice.
* I justify my rage by making up false claims of it hurting other people, morally if I can't gin up some hypothetical physical effect.
* I make up one excuse after another to scare people into hating this harmless practice.
* I appeal to higher authority (government, Eugene) to stop this practice.
That about sums up statists.
No, you fuck off. What do you contribute here? You’re a moron.
I can ignore Josh. I can scroll past his posts. But it’s pages upon pages of posts to scroll past. If this is just a blog for Josh, then I have no reason to come back.
Hear! Hear!
Look, I’m as bored with Blackman as the next person, but this seems like an odd post to focus on. Yes, it’s yet another tweet masquerading as a post,¹ but at least it’s about an actual court decision, rather than (a) Blackman’s content-free, repeatedly updated predictions about who will write opinions; or (b) Blackman’s evidence-free middle-school gossip about what justices think of each other and how they’re secretly plotting to rule in certain ways by ruling in opposite ways to lull their enemies into a false sense of security.
¹ “I had a thought. I must post about it.”
Agreed that this is one of Blackman's better posts of late, though of course that says more about his corpus than what he wrote here. But I'm not going to begrudge SimonP being pushed to the end of his tether by yet another of these.
Why not? He could scroll past the articles and authors he doesn't like, but instead he wastes far more time posting a rant about how evil Blackman is, how pathetic his college is, and in general throw a tantrum. Why should he not be called out on his hypocrisy?
1) That's not hypocrisy.
2) It does of course not "waste far more time" to "post a rant" than to scroll past dozens of Blackman posts every week.
3) You haven't even understood the complaint.
I’ll confess I didn’t read it. It was simply the most recent and pointless post on the page from him. Of course, a few hours have passed, and that is no longer the case.
Remind me: How much do we pay these jokers on the Court?
"the ceviche was a red herring"
Whatever one may think of Gorsuch, you cannot say he lacks a sense of humor.
Funny, but of course a "red" herring is a smoked, dried herring, so not really accurate.
Sure...but did he chop down the mightiest tree in the forest with it?
Professor Blackman,
Have you ever considered making a living as a Supreme Court gossip columnist, writing about Justices and their rumored backroom intrigues and sharing various human-interest stories about them in much the way Hollywood gossip columnists write about movie stars and moguls’ rumored affairs, movie deals, backlot goings-on, clothes, homes, etc.?
You’d be good at it. You have talent. And you might be able to make a good deal more money at it than you do in your current job.
Why not consider going with your propensities?
What do you think he's doing here, if not that? Or is it the choice of forum you object to, that he is polluting "your" forum?
But this blog doesn’t pay! Why hold a day job and do this on the side for free when he could be making real money?