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If You Deserted While Still in Boot Camp, You're Not a "Veteran"
So holds a Pennsylvania court, affirming a conviction for fraudulently obtaining money by claims of veteran status.
In Commonwealth v. Crawford, decided last week by the Pennsylvania intermediate appellate court (in an opinion by Judge Pellegrini, joined by Judges Murray and McLaughlin),
Christopher Michael Crawford … enlisted with the United States Army in 2007. Within three months of his enlistment, Crawford had gone AWOL from boot camp and was classified as a deserter without having completed his training.
Crawford surrendered himself to military authorities on November 9, 2007, and was discharged on other than honorable conditions at that time. According to the discharge papers that Crawford signed, the lack of an honorable discharge meant that he could be deprived of "rights and benefits as a veteran under both federal and state law." The testimony of the Director of Veterans Affairs in Lackawanna County (David Eisele) established that these discharge conditions would relegate Crawford to the status of a civilian who would not be entitled to join any American Legion posts….
Nonetheless, Crawford joined an American Legion post, apparently telling them "that he was a veteran of the Iraq War and that he had received a Purple Heart for sustaining a brain injury from an explosive device. Crawford also regularly wore a cap affixed with badges and pins which are only conferred upon military veterans for exploits that Crawford had never achieved. These unearned decorations included a Combat Infantryman Badge and a 10th Mountain Division pin."
He later became a post finance officer, and ended up using his position "to make purchases and withdrawals [using the post's debit cards] totaling over $17,000 for purposes that did not at all relate to the Post. For example, some of the charges on the debit cards included payments for bars, hotels, restaurants, casinos and flights to Florida." As a result, he was prosecuted based in part on a Pennsylvania statute, 18 Pa. Cons. Stats. § 6701(b), which provides,
A person commits a misdemeanor of the third degree if, with intent to obtain money, property or other benefit, the person fraudulently holds himself out to be any of the following:
(1) A member or veteran of any branch of the armed forces of the United States or of any of the several states.
(2) The recipient of any decoration or medal authorized by the Congress of the United States for the armed forces of the United States or any of the service medals or any decoration awarded to members of the armed forces of the United States or of any of the several states.
The court concluded that the statute clearly applied to Crawford:
Because it does not define who qualifies as a "veteran," Crawford contends that 18 Pa.C.S. § 6701(b)(1) is void for vagueness, thereby depriving him of notice as to the nature of the prohibited conduct. Even though he went AWOL from boot camp without having completed his training, he was classified as a deserter, and he received less than an honorable discharge depriving him of the "rights and benefits as a veteran under both federal and state law," Crawford argues that he could have reasonably believed that he was a veteran. Since this claim concerns how the statute applies to Crawford's unique circumstances, his constitutional challenge is of the as applied variety.
"When words are not defined in a statute, the Pennsylvania Statutory Construction Law instructs that terms should be construed in accordance with their common or approved usage." "Veteran" is defined as "someone who has been honorably discharged from military service." Black's Law Dictionary (11th ed. 2019). "Honorable discharge" is defined as "a formal final judgment passed by the government on a soldier's entire military record, and an authoritative declaration that he or she has left the service in a status of honor." Id.
Consistent with the above definitions, the Department of Veterans Affairs defines "veteran" as "a person who served in the active military, naval, or air force, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable."
A "veteran" refers to someone who has actively and honorably served in the military. This definition would exclude those who have been discharged prior to finishing boot camp, and certainly those who have received something other than an honorable discharge after going AWOL before that initial training has been completed—such persons have not yet undertaken any active military service.
As applied to him in the context of the circumstances of this case, the definition of "veteran" in Section 6701(b)(1) was sufficiently clear enough to convey the prohibited conduct. It is not so vague as to result in arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement. Persons of ordinary intelligence would not have to guess at the statute's meaning. No reasonable person would have thought that a veteran could refer to a trainee who deserted before recording a single day of active service and who received less than an honorable discharge.
There is, in fact, every indication from Crawford's own conduct that he knew his real background fell short of qualifying him as a veteran; otherwise he would not have lied about it. Accordingly, the statute's use of the term comported with due process requirements, and the trial court did not err in finding it constitutionally valid….
And the court rejected Crawford's claim that § 6701(b)(2) is unconstitutional under U.S. v. Alvarez (2012), which struck down the federal Stolen Valor Act's prohibition on false claims of military medals:
Like the Federal Stolen Valor Act, Section 6701(b)(2) criminalizes false claims about being awarded military medals or decorations. Crucially, though, the Pennsylvania statute contains exactly what was missing in its invalid federal counterpart—a requirement that the misrepresentation be done with intent to profit from the falsehood.
The Commonwealth argues in this appeal and we agree that this additional intent element puts Section 6701(b)(2) in compliance with the First Amendment. As emphasized in Alvarez, the Federal Stolen Valor Act was unconstitutional precisely because it criminalized speech without requiring a showing of proof that it caused or was intended to cause harm. By implication, and as stated explicitly in Alvarez, the Federal Stolen Valor Act would be constitutional if, like Section 6701(b)(2), the crime included the intended effect of the speech and not just the speech itself.
Moreover, the First Amendment has long "permitted restrictions upon the content of speech in a few limited areas," such as obscenity, defamation, fraud, incitement and speech integral to criminal conduct….. Section 6701(b)(2) criminalizes speech and impersonation done with the intent to obtain some benefit. The prohibited conduct is a form of fraud, which has historically been unprotected speech under the First Amendment.
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There are more types of discharge than honorable and dishonorable. I guess I learned today that somebody who received a general discharge is not a veteran.
Being an honorably discharged combat vet, IMHO a General Discharge would still make you a Vet. The GD certificate says:
"General Discharge under honorable conditions."
further, the posting says:
"Consistent with the above definitions, the Department of Veterans Affairs defines "veteran" as "a person who served in the active military, naval, or air force, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable."
The VA awards nearly all the Veterans benefits :
- Veteran’s hiring preferences for federal jobs
- VA medical coverage
- VA home loan
but not the GI Bill.
Perhaps PA takes a tougher view, but the Feds, seem to make a GD a Vet.
Not this turd however.
"Being an honorably discharged combat vet, IMHO a General Discharge would still make you a Vet."
If it was issued before you completed your term of service under your enlistment?
Veterans are people who served. This fellow didn't serve.
re: "This fellow didn't serve."
Not quite right. At least, depending on which law you're looking at. Consider the scenario where you are seriously injured during training instead of deserting. If the injury earns you a medical discharge, you could still be a veteran (for some purposes) despite never getting past your training assignments.
As an honorably discharged vet... there's "bootcamp" (or "basic training" in my case) and training. One attends training, if your AFSC/MOS requires it, after you complete basic training. Not all MOS's require training. Some are On the Job Training (OJT.)
If you don't complete basic training, it appears you aren't considered "Active Duty." While I had a guaranteed rank of A1C entering into the Air Force, during basic training I held no rank. I wasn't allowed to sew my stripes on until I graduated and went to training.
" I wasn’t allowed to sew my stripes on until I graduated and went to training."
You got paid as an E3 during BMT even though you weren't yet authorized to sew on your stripes.
"Not quite right. At least, depending on which law you’re looking at. Consider the scenario where you are seriously injured during training instead of deserting. If the injury earns you a medical discharge, you could still be a veteran (for some purposes) despite never getting past your training assignments."
This would get you a medical separation or ELS. Not a "bad" discharge. And, not completing boot camp, either way, means you were never a service member.
" Consider the scenario where you are seriously injured during training instead of deserting."
Unable to serve rather than unwilling to serve. Not a trivial change. Either way, not a veteran.
Drill SGT: "General Discharge under honorable conditions"
Do you not know the difference between general under honorable conditions and general other than honorable conditions?
Are you sure you were a drill sergeant? Irony, stolen valor commenting about stolen valor.
Drill sergeants don't discharge recruits.
There are more types of discharge than honorable and dishonorable. I guess I learned today that somebody who received a general discharge is not a veteran.
Honorable
General, under honorable conditions
General, other than honorable conditions
Dishonorable
This guy having not completed boot camp never became a soldier in the first place. The only thing that appears to be true about his story is that he has "a brain injury". He's lucky it was OTH instead of dishonorable.
Oops, I missed BCD, bad conduct discharge. Goes between OTH and dishonorable.
https://militarybenefits.info/types-of-military-discharges-2/
I'm not aware of a "General other than honorable, " but there is simply "Other than Honorable," which is more or less the administrative equivalent of a Bad Conduct Discharge or Dishonorable Discharge.
Strange, I woulda swore that it was referred to as general discharge for both types of admin sep.
I'll go haze myself now.
I am also not a veteran, even though I completed both Basic Military Training AND two rounds of Technical training related to my Air National Guard enlistment.
This turned out to be an issue because my university's financial aid office had counseled me that I could check off the "veteran" box if I had completed six months of active duty, which would establish that I was an "independent" status student, not a "dependent" status student (which would have required me to provide financial information about my parents' finances) The other avenues to this status change included being married, being 26 years old, or being an orphan. I wasn't a 26-year-old married orphan, nor did I have access to my parents' tax returns so this qualification was important to me at the time.
Even this civilian knows that the Department of Veterans Affairs definition ("a person who served in the active military, naval, or air force, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable") covers way more people than the Black's definition ("someone who has been honorably discharged from military service"). Even an Other Than Honorable discharge (like this guy's) or a Bad Conduct discharge (which is pretty bad!) is not the same as a Dishonorable discharge.
As unsympathetic as this defendant is (and he's about as unsympathetic as it gets!), I have to think that a *criminal* statute should define a word like "veteran". Aside from the Black's and DVA definitions which are both plausible, the word "veteran" can also mean a *longtime* member of the military -- something more akin to the U.S. military's concept of "retirement." The word "veteran" also connotes the idea of service in an armed conflict; to my ears, regardless of what the DVA has to say about it, a soldier who fought in World War II but was later dishonorably discharged is more aptly described in common English as a "veteran" ("disgraced veteran", perhaps?) than a soldier who honorably puttered around a base for 4 years of peace. Bottom line: the state should tell former members of the military precisely what conduct is forbidden.
I tend to agree - the court itself states “Consistent with the above definitions, the Department of Veterans Affairs defines "veteran" as "a person who served in the active military, naval, or air force, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable."”
If that’s applied by its own terms, *only* a dishonorable discharge removes “veteran” status. I understand why the Court wanted to reach this result, but that’s some sloppy reasoning.
Your and BMS's points are well-taken. Something that I had not thought about. But, for example, a soldier who fought and was wounded in battle overseas should (in my mind) always be able to claim that she was a veteran...even if she later did something awful that got her a dishonorable discharge.
Being able to call herself a veteran is different (again, in my mind) than being able to use veteran status for various benefits...I can see the government saying, "You served as a vet during Period A. But what you did during B was so awful; you do not qualify for Veteran Benefits 1-23."
As noted above, a "disgraced veteran" is still a veteran of sorts.
" But, for example, a soldier who fought and was wounded in battle overseas should (in my mind) always be able to claim that she was a veteran…even if she later did something awful that got her a dishonorable discharge."
That's the distinction of a dishonorable discharge. You've done something so heinous that you've been stripped of all rights and privileges, including the "status" of veteranhood (veteranship?)
Dishonorable also requires a courts-martial.
"Dishonorable also requires a courts-martial."
Probably just one.
Probably... 🙂
This kind of is a thing already, in certain circumstances. If the "bad" behavior took place during a second enlistment period, he/she would still be entitled to just about all veterans benefits. At the end of each period of enlistment, you get a DD-214 that says "Honorable" before re-enlisting, and you can use that DD-214 as the basis of claiming certain benefits, like the G.I. Bill or VA resources (usually).
"Being able to call herself a veteran is different (again, in my mind) than being able to use veteran status for various benefits…"
First Amendment says that you can call yourself anything you want. But even with a First amendment, fraud is still criminal. So, I guess I agree with you on this point.
He *is* a veteran because he has a Form DD-214 -- and if he is separated from a branch of the military, at any time and under any circumstances other than death, he *has* a Form DD-214 ( "Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty").
Some may remember that this was an issue with John Kerry because of speculation as to what Kerry's Form DD-214 might actually say, in part because the status of discharges can be elevated later.
Why the hell didn't the Legion ask to see a copy of his DD-214?!? They're all veterans, they all have their *own* DD-214's and know what they are. Within an organization where military service is respected and where both rank and awards are valued (both being listed on the DD-214), you'd think they'd ask to see it as part of the registration process.
And then the larger issue is if his stolen valor was *itself* for financial gain -- to which I ask if he hadn't embezzled, would they have ever found out about it in the first place? Let's take a different stolen valor aspect -- say he had an honorable discharge but had neither been deployed nor earned any of his purported medals -- could he still have embezzled?
I don't see the nexis between the stolen valor and the embezzlement. I think he's an A-hole, all around, for both -- but I'm kinda funny about specificity of charges and he *is* a "discharged veteran" -- he couldn't otherwise have a discharge under conditions less than honorable -- QED, he *is* a "veteran."
This was wrongly decided.
The other question is why he was discharged after having gone AWOL -- my guess is has a lot to do with *when* as the military went from wanting to get rid of people in the Clinton years to not wanting to let anyone go during the GWOT (and hence Bradley Manning being retained, with the consequences of that).
There's also something to the effect of "not compatible with military service" which is basically a "we don't want you" and it's usually for psych reasons. A lot was said about his going AWOL, legitimately so, but I keep coming back to him (apparently) not having a DD and hence asking why he doesn't.
Now if he was kicked out for psych reasons, what does that do to the concept of mens rea when the Commonwealth prosecutes him for not mentioning that to the Legion?
Of course there is also the issue of "sheepdipping" where someone is officially discharged so as to be available for TDX to the CIA or similar entity. In theory they clean up the records later, it's also widely rumored that this doesn't always happen.
Could he have convinced the Legion that he'd been "sheep dipped" and could there have been someone there with enough personal knowledge of "sheep dipping" to believe him because of *real* "sheep dipping" that said person had knowledge of?
Just wondering...
The “when”, per the OP, was 2007. Bush II, not Clinton.
Also per the OP, he told them he was an Iraq Vet with a Purple Heart from and IED injury.
Frankly, I can’t think of a bigger red flag in an American Legion post than walking in and claiming “my record shows I was discharged because I secretly joined the CIA”. Even your “just wondering...” theories are non-sensical sheep dip..
HAD it happened, and WERE it the reason why he was being prosecuted, I'd like to think a competent defense attorney would raise it.
I was merely covering all possibilities.
Funny thing about people who ARE employed by the CIA... they never, ever say that they are employed by the CIA. Now, some former CIA employees DO admit that they used to be in the CIA. But nobody who IS, says they are.
The DD-214 also has your SSN on it.
The American Legion is declining, moribund, desperate for youthful members.
Aren't they the ones who don't allow alcohol, while the VFW does?
I was thinking that their need of new members might have clouded their judgement.
The same thing happened with the Boy Scouts in the 1970s -- they so desperately needed adult leaders that they didn't ask some of the questions that they should have -- and that didn't work out so well...
"He *is* a veteran because he has a Form DD-214"
I have a DD-214. I am not a veteran.
I consider you one.
But, as usual, you don't know what you're talking about.
“that he could be deprived of "rights and benefits as a veteran“ shouldn’t mean he’s not a veteran. Felons can be deprived of some rights and benefits as a citizen, but are still citizens.
Indeed, the language "...as a veteran..." states that he is a veteran. Had the statement been "... of a veteran..." then perhaps that sentence would have at least been ambiguous as to whether the military then considered him a veteran. But, 'as' pretty much states that he had a veteran status, from which benefits, but not the veteran status, could be lost.
" Felons can be deprived of some rights and benefits as a citizen, but are still citizens."
Under the doctrine of "civil death penalty", felons were not even still alive.
He identifies as a veteran. Perhaps, he identifies as a female, black veteran. You do not get to define a Democrat.
" You do not get to define a Democrat."
Only Ms. Behar gets to do that.
I could accept this being illegal and punishable by fine, but a crime? Rule of lenity, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, First Amendment... there are a lot of hurdles here particularly given the vagueness of what exactly a "veteran" is.
"the vagueness of what exactly a 'veteran” is.'"
It isn't so vague that people who desert before they finish boot camp might be veterans
So I'm curious how they would interpret an individual who did multiple tours, i.e. re-enlisted after completing one or more tours, and then got into trouble and was ultimately separated from service with a General, Under Honorable Conditions, or with an Other Than Honorable. In this situation, said individual would have at least one DD-214 (discharge paperwork) that says "Honorable." You get a DD-214 after each enlistment for the relevant period prior to signing your name again and re-enlisting. My understanding is that your VA rights are secure under this scenario, as long as you aren't trying to claim something specific to the "Other Than Honorable" period of service (such as an injury that isn't service related but happened while on active duty). Even if you get kicked out with an OTH, you can still cash in your G.I. Bill if you have a period of honorable service, reflected on one or more DD-214s.
"You get a DD-214 after each enlistment for the relevant period prior to signing your name again and re-enlisting."
Learned a new thing today, thanks. I was one and done. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.
Once a Marine, always a Marine... so why re-enlist? 🙂
So, I think the judge basically got this right, but that Black's Law Dictionary is apparently excessively oversimplified.
So, the types of US military discharge:
Honorable.
General (Under Honorable Conditions).
Other Than Honorable. [Worst you can get without a court-martial.]
Bad Conduct Discharge.
Dishonorable Discharge.
Then there are:
Entry-level Separation
Medical Separation
Separation for Convenience of the Government
Then there's the modifier "Honorable for VA Purposes" or "Dishonorable for VA Purposes", which can apply to either an OTH or a BCD, which modifies the available benefits.
So. If somebody served and then got a General Discharge (Under Honorable Conditions), I can't imagine plausibly arguing that they aren't a "real" veteran. Sure, it's a black mark compared to an Honorable, but, still.
And, well, the American Legion agrees with me. The American Legion considers General (Under Honorable Conditions) acceptable for membership. It also answers the question
with
Good breakdown. One point to emphasize is that most of the listed service characterizations are administrative, with only two "punitive discharges": BCD or DD (aka dismissal for officers). Some veterans (including those who deployed in hostile times) committed misconduct (e.g., drug pops) but avoided court-martial and got OTH or GEN or even HON through administrative separation.
And then there is the DD-215 and a discharge upgrade.
See: https://www.va.gov/discharge-upgrade-instructions/
I come back to John Kerry and rumors that his current discharge was upgraded from what he initially got when he left the USN in the 1970s.
A dated discussion of Kerry: https://humanevents.com/2004/10/26/october-surprise-the-truth-behind-kerrys-military-discharge-whats-kerry-hiding/
You seem a little bit obsessed with Mr. Kerry.
[quote]"Veteran" is defined as "someone who has been honorably discharged from military service." Black's Law Dictionary (11th ed. 2019).[/quote]
General perception is you have to have an official DD214 form from service stating an acceptable reason for the discharge to be a "veteran".
This guy deserted before being discharged. I doubt he even had a DD214.