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Have any books, movies, or TV shows you can recommend?
I have two I can recommend myself, both SF/fantasy-ish (for want of a better label); please suggest some yourselves!
[1.] Adrian Tchaikovsky's Cage of Souls; the publisher's summary actually captures it well:
The sun is bloated, diseased, dying perhaps. Beneath its baneful light, Shadrapar, last of all cities, harbours fewer than 100,000 human souls. Built on the ruins of countless civilisations, Shadrapar is a museum, a midden, an asylum, a prison on a world that is ever more alien to humanity.
Bearing witness to the desperate struggle for existence between life old and new is Stefan Advani: rebel, outlaw, prisoner, survivor. This is his testament, an account of the journey that took him into the blazing desolation of the western deserts; that transported him east down the river and imprisoned him in the verdant hell of the jungle's darkest heart; that led him deep into the labyrinths and caverns of the underworld. He will meet with monsters, madman, mutants.
The question is, which one of them will inherit this Earth?
I listened to the audiobook version, and enjoyed it very much; I expect I'd have enjoyed the book as much.
[2.] Micaiah Johnson's Space Between Worlds:
Multiverse travel is finally possible, but there's just one catch: No one can visit a world where their counterpart is still alive. Enter Cara, whose parallel selves happen to be exceptionally good at dying—from disease, turf wars, or vendettas they couldn't outrun. Cara's life has been cut short on 372 worlds in total.
On this dystopian Earth, however, Cara has survived. Identified as an outlier and therefore a perfect candidate for multiverse travel, Cara is plucked from the dirt of the wastelands. Now what once made her marginalized has finally become an unexpected source of power. She has a nice apartment on the lower levels of the wealthy and walled-off Wiley City. She works—and shamelessly flirts—with her enticing yet aloof handler, Dell, as the two women collect off-world data for the Eldridge Institute. She even occasionally leaves the city to visit her family in the wastes, though she struggles to feel at home in either place. So long as she can keep her head down and avoid trouble, Cara is on a sure path to citizenship and security.
But trouble finds Cara when one of her eight remaining doppelgängers dies under mysterious circumstances, plunging her into a new world with an old secret. What she discovers will connect her past and her future in ways she could have never imagined—and reveal her own role in a plot that endangers not just her world but the entire multiverse.
This one I read, and also liked very much. What can you recommend?
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I've just started reading 'When Harry Became Sally' and I am shocked and appalled by the extremist transphobia presented in the book. Amazon made the right decision to not sell that hateful book on their platform. Corporations have a public duty to be responsible citizens and shield the public from offensive materials. My girlfriend is a pre-OP transwoman and her existence is valid. We have both suffered horrible homophobic and transphobic abuse because of our immutable identities. My own father called me a "sick faggot" because he caught me making love to my girlfriend's feminine penis. Hatred and bigotry should have no home in America!
Trying this hard to be so cute can give you a hernia dude.
That's almost as moronic as your comment on March 4, 2021. You know, the one where you wrote: "In my opinion, the Soviets were also right to rape all those Nazi-supporting German women and girls when they conquered Berlin."
Don't be such a drag. We can talk about the subject of my comment this coming Thursday.
Don't be evil.
Are you suggesting that the subject of your comment -- rape -- is debatable? Are you suggesting that it was right for Soviet troops to rape my aunt -- 15 years old at the time -- in Berlin in 1945? Are you suggesting that there are times when rape is okay? You need to apologize for your evil, demented, hateful comment, then go away.
As an anti-fascist, I support any means necessary to stop jackbooted fascists from running the world. The Soviets used rape and the Americans used carpet bombing of civilian targets. Both methods are equally legitimate tactics when used to stop the Nazis.
You truly are a demented, evil person. My aunt is no longer alive, but there are undoubtedly women still alive who were raped by the Soviets when they were teenagers and perhaps younger. How do you explain to those women that they deserved what happened to them?
I sympathise, and you are entirely right, but he doesn't care. There's nothing there to argue with, no decency to appeal to, just an amoral shitposting void.
My inflammatory comments are supposed to upset you. Antifa, just an idea according to the media, was running around the country last year looting and burning stores along with BLM in the name of anti-fascism and anri-racism. Do we have Congressional investigations of Antifa and its funding or do we talk about some rowdy Boomers who took a walk around the Capitol building as though it was an existential crisis for the American government?
You succeeded in saying something truly horrible. On the internet. Take a fucking bow.
I like to think that the subtext of my comments convey an important message but I'm only an amateur at this.
Jonathan Swift has a lot to answer for.
He doesn't believe it, or anything he posts. He's all over the political map, with the only throughline whatever he thinks will get a rise out of people.
These aren't even hot takes, they're made up views.
An inability to separate sarcasm from sincerity is a sign of autism. Seek help.
Claiming to be sarcastic when sincere is a sign of fuck off we don't believe you.
All the 30yo Boomers love absurdist anti-comedy.
Sheesh: I have Aspergers, which is now considered to be on the Autism 'spectrum', and I could tell he does sarcasm. You couldn't?
Oh there's no doubt he thinks he's hilarious.
Get to business, pro-fa antagonist. Also, read The Algebraist by Ian M. Banks.
MoreCurious : That’s almost as moronic as your comment on March 4, 2021.
Nazis seems to bring out the moron in RabbiHarveyWeinstein. My example is when he used the Nazi fascist phrase "Blood & Soil" to describe Israel's fundamental governing principle. In his defense, at least RHW didn't go with the original German.
I'm not sorry for supporting Israel as a Jewish nation-state. The state of Israel rules over Israeli jurisdiction (i.e. soil) and represents the will of the Jewish nation (i.e. blood). Jewish blood working Jewish soil is what Rabbi Meir Kahane wanted and it is what I want too!
From sf to Meir Kahane in one demented thread.
More bad-faith trolling.
I thought it would be an interesting conversation to discover what are the acceptable boundaries of speech in contemporary society. Does society as a whole pay a price when acceptable viewpoints are artificially narrowed because of political activists? Should we tolerate even abhorrent viewpoints so that they may be discussed openly by inquisitive minds? As an example, I've read that Allen Ginsberg joined NAMbLA, not because he was a pederast, but because he supported the concept of free speech, even for morally repugnant viewpoints.
You are not doing some sociological experiment, any more than an arsonist is doing research on combustion.
Your comment is worthless. Amazon is refusing to sell a book that covers a topic worthy of serious conversation because it "threatens" trans-identifying people's "safety". Lolberterians can blabber all they want about a private corporation's rights but we should fight for an extremely broad market of ideas. Amazon still sells Mein Kampf because Nazism isn't a dangerous idea but the cultural elite in Western society seem to believe that challenging the transgender ideology is a dangerous idea and that is why books questioning that ideology are banned.
You posting fucked up shit and managing to offend people on the Internet doesn't address whatever issue you have with Amazons' policies.
You haven't gotten banned. Congrats on that.
Now quit making this community just that much less substantive.
Young children are being led by the medical community to permanently mutilate their bodies because of an unquestionable ideology and you are claiming that I'm the problem because I spout absurd leftist arguments. Are you serious or just unable to stop kvetching at my banter?
Please drop the sarcasm for just a minute you sound demented.
It's getting funny to see how his lame attempts to justify his idiotic comments make him look even stupider. He thinks he's being clever, I guess, but I doubt there are any readers who think he's anything other than a moron with a juvenile sense of humor.
Why don't you suggest a way to remember the female victims of the Soviet army? Should classroom conversations about the Holocaust be more nuanced and balanced with the inclusion of Soviet crimes in the discussion? When I went to school, we ignored the Holodomor and Stalin's show trials and the liquidation of the kulaks. We covered the Holocaust and the racist views of the Nazis but those discussions mostly centered on the Jews, Roma, homosexuals, and Communists. The fact that the Nazis murdered Germany's mentally retarded first was ignored and the Nazi's anti-Slavic sentiments were also brushed over. How many Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russian deaths are ignored because of the contemporary Holocaust narrative?
Your joke about raping them is your memorial.
The woke's inability to comprehend reality is their memorial. Too bad it is now official federal policy, but I don't see any wokers doing anything except complain about sarcasm about wokeness. That is your memorial.
Dude the right thinks Trump is still president.
Amazon only participates in some bookburnings. Normally they'd ban the grandpappy book, Mein Kampf, of the world's most notorious bookburners, but that's akin to kill those who say Islam is not a religion of peace, and that's too far even for woke prostrating corporations.
For now.
Corporations are appeasing these Woke cretins so they can temporarily satiate the progressive mob and deflect attention away from their business practices. If they are lucky, the Woke mob moves onto another target that represents systemic racism to their distorted minds
When your subtext is actually less coherent than your text.
Congratulations on proving to us that you can read Wikipedia, moron. Nothing's quite working for you, is it? You can try to be clever, you can try to be erudite, but all you're really showing us is your demented mind filled with hate and bigotry.
Ad hominems are the last refuge of a vanquished opponent. Good luck next time!
The claim of "ad hominem" is what hateful, demented, evil bigots say when they can't think of anything else to say to defend their indefensible garbage. Good luck next time.
https://sea.mashable.com/science/14889/chinese-woman-visits-doctor-for-ankle-problem-finds-out-she-was-born-a-male
A modern spy series by Mick Herron - The Slough House books, starting with Slow Horses - manages to balance the cynical with the humane and the utterly batshit modern world of spying. Dominating character Jackson Lamb is like if one of the Volokh fake commenters came to life and was put in charge of a bunch of hopeless losers who are occasionally and disastrously obliged to save the day.
I think the best science fiction book I've read lately was Paul McAuley's War Of The Maps, which was pretty great.
Love this series.
Yep; read all the Herron books & they're great...
Also, let me put in a word for an old favorite : Every five years or so I go on a kick of rereading Nero Wolfe mysteries - and just did so recently....
I suppose recommending any erotic fiction is out of bounds here. There is some that is quite good.
Straight shotacon is the patrician taste.
"In my opinion, the Soviets were also right to rape all those Nazi-supporting German women and girls when they conquered Berlin." (Rabbi Harvey Weinstein, March 4, 2021, 8:44 a.m.)
Um, no. I didn't mean that.
I've been meaning to get back into this ecchi light novel series I started a few years ago
captcrisis : "I suppose recommending any erotic fiction is out of bounds here"
I have some erotic short story collections on my ipod, which I listen to while working. As I do my architect-thing drawing-up buildings, I may be listening to Donald Westlake, Homer, Patrick O'Brian (currently) or a history of Egypt.
I found the erotic stuff particularly helpful if I'm low on energy after a late night working. Plus the incongruity of that particular listening experience is kinda charming....
Indeed! It's hard to find good stuff though.
"I never thought this could happen to me...."
Just finished Normal by Warren Ellis, a decent and quick read about growing techno-survelliance. Also watching HBO's The Third Day with Jude Law, a kind of True Detective Season 1 mystery-thriller.
Does "Normal" just cover the United States or does it delve into Chinese surveillance too? Can tin foil around my cell phone protect me from the black helicopters?
It's global (the key incident actually happens in Africa).
Let me guess the plot. A national African politician wants to reject Chinese economic deals in favor of alignment with the European Union and increase civil liberties for his citizens. China responds by using the IT infrastructure that it helped built to blackmail said politician or his subordinate to end any preliminary deals with the EU and fall back into the Chinese fold. How far off am I?
I've actually seen a black helicopter and chatted with its crew, nice enough guys. They gotta keep their flight hours up, I guess.
They parked it out in the open in the FBO area and were drinking coffee at the picnic table -- in broad daylight. I don't know why people seem to think that these things are secret.
They're not really secret, it's just that some communities that had agreed to let them do urban combat training in abandoned buildings went all, "Black helicopters? What black helicopters?" when people started seeing them fly over at night.
And thus was born a conspiracy theory, out of a bit of dishonesty intended to keep military otoku from getting in the way.
Did it start with the X Files or 90's era conspiracy theorists?
Not quite fiction, but darn interesting. I've been reading about all the disappearances in and around National Parks. Most are the factual accounts of the person and the search once the person was reported missing. All have some "strange" elements though. Some of the more outrageous theories are abductions for organ harvesting, aliens, or Big Foot, etc. but some more sane ones are suicide and people just deciding to walk away from life. Does not make me want to go hiking any time soon though....
As far as I know, the humble North American Sasquatch has a vegetarian diet. As for park suicides, have you heard of Aokigahara? At least those Nips in the forest aren't jumping in front of a bullet train and traumatizing a poor working man.
"In my opinion, the Soviets were also right to rape all those Nazi-supporting German women and girls when they conquered Berlin." (Rabbi Harvey Weinstein, March 4, 2021, 8:44 a.m.)
Man, you've really got a boner for a quote from a parody account. Guess the shame of falling for a parody must really burn. Pro tip: publicizing your shame like a vinyl record looping over the final turn, over and over, is not the best way to hide the shame of falling for a parody account.
'Falling for a parody.' A thousand people could 'fall' for it, and he'd still be a lower piece of scum than any of them. It was a shitty, evil thing to say, but you're mocking the one person who bothers to point it out.
It's Popehat's rule of goats. Endorse rape ironically and you don't get to smugly argue with people disgusted with you.
I wonder if you complained when Clinton raped interns, or Cuomo assaulted staffers. Aren't you wokers always touting "believe the victim"? Did either Clinton or Cuomo get the Kavanaugh treatment?
I wonder why not.
Even if liberals were being massive hypocrites about these things, why oh why weren't conservatives up in arms and brewing up storms? Oh, yeah, you don't give a fuck.
I don't know what a parody account is, and I don't care enough to look it up. But I do know evil and hate when I see them, and your half-ass attempt to defend this demented moron tells me everything I need to know about you.
Trolls love attention. You giving it to him ain't making him stop.
Don't feed the bear a missing hiker....
That pretty much sums up wokism in general. Ignore reality, whine, generally get butt hurt over everyone who is not woke enough, even the ones who were woke until they inadvertently insulted you.
Save Dr Suess, li'l doodle. Save him from wokeness.
Is there anyone who can be parodied or mocked without causing a Leftist uproar over intolerance? Aside from white people...
Not by you.
Anywhere in particular you are reading about these? Sounds right up my alley lol
Try Missing 411 for a lot of accounts. (Warning - the author has been accused of hamming up some of the stories. I've seen a lot of "back and forth" about this accusation online so I don't know if it is true.) There is also a compilation of missing person stories around National Parks summarized online including the NPS website for something more neutral.
It seems to me many of them can be explained as suicide or someone simply getting lost. Some are borderline strange though and are probably murder or kidnapping victims. If you have some free time to kill and enjoy a good mystery though they are worth reading.
The missing 411 intrigued me briefly, but when you dig into each of the stories, there is almost always a rational and very likely explanation. In one that they went on and on about in the documentary, it was fairly obvious to me that the most likely explanation was that the kid fell into a nearby stream. But they all talk in circles around this giant elephant in the room.
I would agree that 3/4 of those accounts aren't mysterious disappearances but someone getting lost in the woods, getting injured somehow, or just succumbing to the elements.
I don't think people realize how easy it is to get lost even on blazed trails. Take a wrong turn or forget if it was a left or right and walk a mile in the wrong direction gets one turned around real quick especially around old growth forest . An hour down the wrong trail in the late afternoon is enough to prevent you from getting back to the car before dark. And that combined with no food, no shelter, is enough to make even a seasoned hiker panic.
I've done my fair share of solo hiking and can say though that there are enough weirdos out there in the woods that I am sure some of this was foul play. I've run into enough strange people on the trail that I usually will let them pass or take a branch to avoid the interaction.
What percentage of national park visitors disappear? How does that compare with disappearances elsewhere?
It is statistically higher than the national average, but then again, the numbers aren't really being kept (which is part of what is driving the mystery) as these disappearances tend to happen in rural areas with limited law enforcement. Also sometimes the people are reported as missing until weeks, months, or even years later.
I'm sure given adequate resources most of these disappearances ultimately could be answered with something that isn't say a serial killer lurking in the woods or other foul play. But part of the mystery is fueled by the lack of those answers...
My little area of expertise is the Appalachian Trail, which I thru-hiked while unemployed in 2010-2011. There you have on horrific killing every plus-minus fifteen years, plus the rare misadventure (a woman somehow got lost & died in the Hundred Mile Wilderness a few years back) & a few heart attacks.
Given those statistical anomalies you'd be amazed how many non-hikers think you should be armed to the teeth. Who the hell would carry such useless weight?!?
I've run into some strange people on the trails and also some folk that I think were living "off the grid" in the middle of the wilderness. Made me glad that I had something for protection. No one is going to help you that far out, even if they do hear your cries. But yeah people that think you ought to be carrying a shotgun with plenty of ammo have never hiked with a full pack before (if at all)...
First, take the microscopic odds you'll end up in a reboot of Deliverance and need "protection". Then imagine all the other things you could carry with an equal (and unlikely) chance of saving you. I bet you'd need to drag a cart behind you piled-up high with with it all.
But it ain't just about the odds. Consider how many extra packages of Ramen noodles you could carry if you leave your gun behind. For the gun, let's say 1.5 to 2.5lbs. For the noodles, 3oz. That's 8-13 packages of Ramen for heaven's sake! Most hikers I know would be gobsmacked at the obviousness of that decision...
Life is all about risks. Roll the dice however you choose. I'll diversify my risk reduction portfolio and allot about 2 pounds to the protection. To each his own though.
I sometimes spend a week in the fall at a lake in Maine. Some of the hiking trails run into, or are part of, the Appalachian Trail, so it's not uncommon to run into AT hikers.
Since it's the fall they are generally hustling, trying to get to the end before Katahdin is closed, so conversations tend to be brief. One guy I talked to for a while did seem weird, though, enough to make me uncomfortable. Nothing happened and he moved on, but later it struck me that, in contrast to the typical emaciated hiker, he was kind of plump for a guy who claimed to have walked from GA.
Who knows?
The AT is gorgeous in Maine. I was a SoBo (south-bound) so I started on Katahdin first-day. The most brutal verticality of the whole Appalachian Trail is in Maine, but fortunately it's fairly flat for quite a while south of Katahdin and most people don't hike that mountain wearing their backpack (they drop it off at the ranger station in Baxter State Park)
So I started late June in Maine, which had me swimming in the lakes and rivers my initial days. The bad news? That put me in the Great Smokey Mountains in the coldest winter months because I was an embarrassingly slow hiker.
And, yes, I ended up emaciated. As far north as Vermont there was a single extra ounce on my frame. (I wish I could say the same now)
Have you read "A Walk in the Woods," by Bill Bryson?
I'm betting you have, but if not do so immediately.
Every gawdfersaken person on the AT has read Bryson. I suspect when I one day hike the Pacific Crest Trail, I'll find the same about Ms. Strayed.
True story : While hopelessly unemployed during the Great Recession and in the midst of divorce, I met some old college chums at a cabin in the middle of Shenandoah National Park. We had climbed Old Rag, cooked our camping dinner and were drinking (liberally) on the cabin porch in darkness. I was silent, having long-since exhausted my wretched life as a topic. Suddenly I blurted out, "Maybe I'll hike the Appalachian Trail". The idea appeared from absolutely nowhere, though a hiker had done the side trail to the cabin earlier that day to water. That had been the seed. That & Bryson.
Next day on the way home, I stopped at a used bookstore in Front Royal & bought Bryson's book - which I'd read but didn't own a copy. Incidentally, he has too much wicked fun with his account to truly get the AT right. Minus a little physical suffering, it's above all else a positive experience.
"Some of the more outrageous theories are abductions for organ harvesting, aliens, or Big Foot, etc. but some more sane ones are suicide and people just deciding to walk away from life. Does not make me want to go hiking any time soon though…."
What, no hungry bear theories?
Very few animals in North America will prey on humans. Some will attack if sick or wounded. Other may attack because of territory. But most will avoid humans. The number of confirmed animals attacks on humans in the wild in America is usually in the single digits every year.
And even when animals do feed on humans, there isn't that much meat. Usually what is left is a big giant mess, which is easy to find, because humans just aren't that tasty.
See now, when they are kicking out alien abduction conspiracy theories, why should the real facts regarding human interaction with wild animals get in the way of eaten by bears conspiracy theories?
Jimmy, never underestimate the stupidity of people -- I didn't have to go on it, but I know of run where someone had literally sailed his sailboat into a *lit* lighthouse, under a nearly full moon, with a nearly calm sea. (That's really hard to do...)
He read off his LORANS numbers in the MayDay (this was before GPS) and when people realized what those numbers were (the lighthouse) people didn't believe it and the first boat was actually sent to the unmarked ledge that people thought he might have hit (unmarked because Hurricane Bob had dragged the bouy -- and its one-ton anchor -- over a mile inshore).
But this was done "by the book" and the second boat was sent to where he said he was -- and yes, he actually was there. He'd somehow managed to miss all the other ledges to hit that.
You just gotta say "OK" and stop asking questions...
And my guess is that a lot of these fatalities are from really stupid stuff on the level of people getting run over by their own vehicle, which also happens more than you might realize. Throw in people who die from a sudden, massive heart attack because they are doing more exercise than they have done in the past year, and then throw in alcohol and other substances and a lot of this stuff shouldn't be unexpected.
Animal attacks, which do happen, usually leave signs such as clothing scraps. But someone who falls down into a crevice or crawls into a hidden area because he isn't feeling well -- because he is having a heart attack -- those bodies won't get found....
Even experienced hikers do stupid things from time to time. I had a friend who hikes most weekends out West. He decided, on a whim, he wanted to clear his mind by taking an afternoon hike. It was 90+ degrees outside, sunny, and humid. He drives to the park with only a small bottle of water. Parks the car and walks about about two hours down the trail. Water is gone within 15 minutes. He claims he didn't realize how far he had gone until he was starting to experience the beginnings of dehydration. He is 5 miles down the trail, no water, no one around, no cell service. He starts back, but quickly realizes doing so in the heat of the afternoon direct sunlight is going to probably do him in before he gets close to the car or cell service. So he finds some shade and crosses his fingers another hiker will come by or he can make it out in the evening as the sun goes down. Either way time is not on his side. I don't know if his plan was better to walk on through and try to beat the dehydration curve to the car or not, but it worked. Another hike came by about an hour later and had a pack full of water.
We asked him why he didn't bring his pack with hiking supplies including ample water storage. He said he just didn't think about it and was too distracted about whatever was going on (his girlfriend had just left him so he was out of sorts...) Point being though people can be short sighted even those with experience. Had that hiker not been around or he got another mile down the trail without turning back he might have been one of those stories on the late night news.
I read The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck recently. I thought the story was really moving look at the lives of Chinese farmers before World War II. I was particularly intrigued by the way the characters identified themselves with the land.
I read it too -- good book. Shows how life went on after the demise of the Emperor. What about the silent wife O-lan -- what was going through her mind all that time?
Sometimes a Westerner who has spent years in the country (like Buck) can see things more fully and objectively than a "native" can. This is an example. Another is Kim by Kipling.
Thumbs up for Aaron on this. This was the book that opened my eyes to literature. I read it as an optional book for a high school class when I was living in the orient. My teacher was Japanese and was married to a Chinese man - she helped me to really understand this book. I still think about this book 50 years later.
"Vorak of Kolnap" Giant cockroaches from outer space! A modern classic!
I've recently been binge-reading everything by Judith Flanders. One is a book on the history of alphabetization, sorting and storing and searching documents, that kind of thing, which sounded like such a strange topic for a full book that I read the reviews, which were good enough to prompt me to buy the book, which turned out to be chock full of fascinating history.
Another is the history of home/house, mostly in Europe, also chock full of oddball history. A "chest of drawers" is so-named because it did evolve from chests, which grew legs so you didn't have to stoop over so much, then the legs got taller and someone put doors on the front so you could see what was at the bottom without pulling off everything above, someone added shelves and partitions to make it easier to add and remove items, and that evolved into drawers.
Another one I'm in the middle of is how Victorians invented murder in literature and the media; just started it, as good as the others so far.
And four "Sam Clair" mysteries about Samantha the book editor who gets embroiled in murder mysteries, incidentally chock full of tidbits about the book publishing business.
So far, I haven't found a dud in the batch.
My kind of non-fic! Thx. Have requested her alpha and her home books at my library.
Based on that, and if you haven't read it already, you might enjoy Postrel's book, "The Fabric of Civilization: How Textiles Made the World":
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52686790-the-fabric-of-civilization
Got that, enjoyed it immensely for the same reason. Although her joining the fad of "enslaved person" instead of "slave" annoyed me, but she wasn't consistent in its replacement.
The Alphabet book was the most surprising in how much ancillary history suddenly made sense in odd little ways (and has nothing to do with my handle :-). The home book caught me off-guard; I had been expecting something different, and it took me a while to realize it is just about homes and houses, furniture, window curtains, etc. One of the most interesting surprises was that almost all paintings of people in houses over the last 500 years were not real houses, just mockups, but that they are full of symbolism which only people who know that era would understand.
Bill Bryson wrote a book about living in a Victorian house and researching some relevant history as each room tickled his curiosity.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7507825-at-home
I'm not much on symbolism -- more a what you see is what you see person. I recall taking an art history class [in college, a long long time ago], where symbolism in religious paintings was pointed out. Like, a certain kind of animal placed in such a location on the canvas symbolized .... something. For me, it was like reading Blake's or Wordsworth's poetry: left me totally befuddled and lost.
Two more: "Quartered Safe Out Here," is a memoir by George MacDonald Fraser (of "Flashman" fame) about his WW II experiences in the Burma theater. The other is "The Box," by Marc Levinson, about the development of container shipping, from the first efforts by Malcolm McLean in the later 1950s to the total conversion of an industry from break bulk cargo shipping to the revolution and re-design of ships, containers, ports, railroads, trucking, software, labor, etc. I found it utterly fascinating.
Bill Bryson is so great! Anything he writes is well worth a read.
I recently read "The Last Million" by David Nasaw. This is an account of how the western nations dealt with post-WWII refugees, many of them Holocaust survivors.
It's an interesting history, with lots of conflicting political pressures.
I'm just glad the Soviets were able to bring liberty and justice to all of central and eastern Europe. Hearing how the Polish Home Army fought alongside the Soviets to liberate Warsaw from fascist occupation always brings joy to my heart.
(is it just me, or are RabbiHarveyWeinstein comments similar to crossing a cow pasture, where you have to watch where you put down every step?)
Just this weekend I watched "The Garden of Words", a very moving drama, not my usual anime, my wife picked it out.
Lush graphics, and a very moving, realistic storyline. I highly recommend it.
I wouldn't say more about it, to avoid spoilers.
YouTube channels:
Tasting History with Max Miller
Action Button Reviews: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjKSoJlPgcK6BmoSqXpj5xQ
hThese get pretty long - like 3-6 hours, so take some time.
Kruggsmash does Dwarf Fortress
Todd in the Shadows' One Hit Wonderland
Is there a classic book you absolutely cannot stand?
For me it's As I Lay Dying. Too much styling, not enough substance.
When I was in college I had to read and comment on this short story about a guy shipwrecked on a bunch of rocks in the middle of the ocean, living off rain water trapped in crevices and whatever he could grab. He was slowly dying of hunger and thirst.
Only he's actually dying of thirst in the desert, and the rocks are his teeth. The whole story is his hallucination.
God, it was so stupid, I've totally blanked on the name.
Anything by Chesterton. He’s so pompous and insufferable.
He's definitely old-fashioned and somewhat pompous. But he was extremely perceptive. I recommend skimming, just to pull out some of his ideas.
I remember enjoying that one.
Couldn't stand Ethan Frome.
Teenage me liked Catcher in the Rye. Adult me realizes it was actually awful.
Romeo and Juliet is Shakespeare's worst play.
LawTalkingGuy : Romeo and Juliet is Shakespeare’s worst play.
Really? I saw a performance of Measure for Measure which was pretty insufferable (not the least because it was done old-timie-style with males doing the female roles)
Here's a question : Favorite Shakespeare play besides the obvious choices? Mine is The Winter's Tale. It has a little bit of everything, delivers a (belated) happy ending, and sports the best stage direction of all time : "Exit, pursued by a bear"
Yeah. Everything about Romeo and Juliet is just bleck. Don't know how to explain it. It's not even the "romantic" subject matter, because the comedies all have that, and I enjoyed most of those.
Measure for Measure is awesome. But maybe it isn't great on stage. I like the "problem plays" which is why I also really enjoy Merchant of Venice, and that might be my favorite "non-obvious" play (unless that's too obvious). Timon of Athens was very weird but I enjoyed it for how weird it was.
Oh course you take a comedy like Twelfth Night and consider it as a romance : Originally it had a boy playing a girl playing a boy. I gotta think the age of Elizabethan Drama could teach our age a thing or two about gender confusion.....
I saw a decent performance of Measure for Measure at the Alabama Shakespeare Festival many years ago. It was well done and so forth, but didn't inspire me to put it high on my list.
OTOH, their production of Richard II was terrific. A much underrated play.
Depends on what you mean by obvious choices.
I particularly like some of the histories - Richard II is excellent, as are the Henry IV plays, though I prefer Part 1, which I think is a minority choice.
I also very much like The Tempest. I saw a version a few years ago co-directed by Teller of Penn and Teller. The magic, and the rest, was amazing.
I'm a pretty big fan. A Shakespeare production has to be pretty bad before I disapprove.
I saw a Teller-directed Macbeth - same thing.
I'd love to see that. I've never seen MacBeth live, or Lear or Julius Caesar for that matter.
Another favorite, which I've seen a couple of times, is As You Like It, which is charming and has a good bit of humor that has survived the centuries.
"What is your love's name?"
"Rosalind."
"I do not like that name, Rosalind."
"There was no thought of pleasing you when she was christened."
Or, Rosalind herself advising the shepherd girl, Phoebe(?), who is being courted by Touchstone the clown, and is unsure whether she should accept his overtures.
"And I will tell thee quiet in thine ear,
Sell when thou canst.
Thou art not for all markets."
Macbeth is a great thing. Here's one of my favorite performances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqidAo2iKUY
Thomas Hardy sucks.
I've often tried to read Faulkner. Can you recommend any of his books that don't fit your definition of 'As I Lay Dying?'
I love Absalom, Absalom.....
I had to read that in Freshman English. It started as an ordeal, but after a while I got into it.
Faulkner was huge in my curriculum at the time. I joked that a physics class began with reading The Bear.
Faulkner's third novel, Sartoris, is great. It is basically about WW1 veterans suffering from PTSD (although they obviously didn't call it that) and comparing that to Civil War vets from the previous generation and their suffering.
Ulysses (James Joyce) irritated me. Too much of Joyce showing off how clever he is.
At least As I Lay Dying is mercifully brief.
My wife and I enjoy the BBC "Call the Midwife" - excellent writing (at least the first 3 seasons, which were based on real life. It deteriorates after that.
If you haven't read it, Rudyard Kipling's 1897 _Captains Courageous_ is definitely worth reading, both in terms of the story and in what it says about the eternal human values of family.
The Gulf of Maine is actually a bowl, largely surrounded by land and shallow water -- draw a straight line from Nova Scotia to the tip of Cape Cod and much of that is shallow water that is incredibly rich fishing grounds. Lots of cod -- lots more back then -- and they would catch them with handlines back then, two men in a dory, with neither a radio nor survival suits (let alone EPIRB) and it was incredibly dangerous as fog often set in.
Transatlantic travel back then was by steamship, mostly out of either Boston or NYC and this rich spoilt brat manages to fall overboard off one. He is fished out by a fishing schooner but is expected to earn his keep -- he and the captain's son (both about 9) are sent out fishing.
Without spoiling the plot, the end of the book is also a truly interesting glimpse of 19th Century railroading -- a mad (87 hours 35 minutes) dash from San Diego to Boston via steam trains (that had to constantly stop for coal and water) as described by a railroad magnate who understood everything from track conditions to climate.
Now that's over seven days, and today one can nonchalantly fly that route in about seven hours, or drive it in half the time -- but there were no interestate highways and railroads were still largely using Civil War technology -- and this was an impressive feat (which someone then tried, shaving a few minutes off Kipling's estimated time.
Here's the place to admit I'm still just as fond of The Jungle Book as when I was a child. That's another one of the books on my ipod that I happily listen to while working.
Entirely agree: Captains Courageous is a gem.
As an aside:
"She even occasionally leaves the city to visit her family in the wastes, though she struggles to feel at home in either place."
That's the untold aspect of the Black students in higher ed -- and I presume Black law students. Like Cara, they struggle to feel at home either in academia or in their old homes.
Fanny Price of Mansfield Park would sympathize.....
I highly recommend the Cormoran Strike series by JK Rowling writing as Robert Galbraith. I recommend the audio books due to the terrific narration. This series is not Harry Potter. It is one of those audio books that keeps you in the garage listening after you have arrived home.
I recommend Les Caves du Vatican (sold in English translation as "The Vatican Cellars" or "Lafcadio's Adventures"). By André Gide, who later won a Nobel prize for literature.
Imagine if Преступление и наказание (Crime and Punishment) were re-written as a short, mostly-lively comedy, with a scam-story mixed in. (The scam is: a bunch of con-men pose as Catholic priests, and go around telling the wives or rich Catholics (noblemen) that the Freemasons have kidnapped the Pope and replaced him with an impersonator, and that they (the "priests") need a very large sum of money to bribe the men guarding the captive Pope and rescue him, but that if the Masons learn that this effort is underway, they will kill the captive Pope, so the wife has to raise as much money as she can, and donate it to the cause, but also keep the donations absolutely secret.)
Also, The Seven Lady Godivas, Dr. Seuss' book for grown-ups, especially grown-up men (straight men). Well, here:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/the-seven-lady-godivas
Cancel that! also, dr. seuss erotica? that's just confusing
Another: Doctor Frigo, which is one of Eric Ambler's later works. Not as much action and adrenaline as his better known international crime-thrillers like A Coffin for Dimitrios or Journey into Fear, but great atmosphere and absorbing characters, especially the title character, a cynical, unsympathetic doctor in a Spanish-speaking third-world country, whose impersonal clinical manner has given him the nickname "Frigo", a local slang term meaning frozen meat. The doctor's father was a successful revolutionary leader but was assassinated, and the doctor may (or may not) have found out who the assassin was, and may (or may not) take revenge.
Never read Frigo, but enjoyed the other two. Ambler was highlighted as a precursor to Alan Furst who I've enjoyed ( though his best work seems behind him )
Love Ambler and Furst - Furst is like Patrick O'Brian, once you've accepted that every book of his is going to be pretty much exactly like the one before, and that this is an impressive literary accomplishment in its own right, you're flying.
I agree about Furst with one big exception. Night Soldiers (the first one in the series) is head-and-shoulders above all his others, and above just about every other espionage novel I have ever read (and there have been a lot of them....)
If you like real-life espionage (WWII and Cold War), Ben Macintyre is the best I have found.
Night Soldiers is the best, but Dark Star & the Polish Officer weren't that far behind. I think Dark Voyage was the last really excellent one he wrote.
That said, I wanna use Furst as an example of something you see often with writers : In the early novels his characters suffered - as you'd expect during the horror of world-wide war. But even as Furst became a successful & prosperous writer, his characters also seemed to have an ever rosier time. In many of the latter books they're barely touched by the conflagration of WWII.
You see that sometimes in series work. A down&out character in the first book will inherit a fortune by the last. I think writers feel a responsibility to leave their charges in a comfortable situation. One example is Patrick O’Brian. He wasn't satisfied leaving both his guys rich, but also expeditiously killed-off an unsuitable wife in novel #19. to quickly replace her with the perfect computer-dating-grade match in #20.
That's why O'Brian and Furst, despite using settings filled with violence and danger, qualify as cosy comfort reads.
Big fan of Furst.
All the spy-thriller authors acknowledged Amber as the father of the genre. Not only Furst, but John LeCarré, Graham Greene, Frederick Forsythe, even Alfred Hitchcock!
There are a few other less-well-known Ambler books which are better (IMHO) than his more-famous ones: The Light of Day, its sequel Dirty Story, and, his very best (IMHO): Passage of Arms. Usually when I want to show someone who doesn't know Ambler at all what's so great about him I start with Passage of Arms.
Want more? How about two children's books by L. Frank Baum, which are not about the land of Oz: Sky Island, a thrilling adventure-story which Baum thought he was most likely to be remembered for of all his books, and John Dough and the Cherub, which is one of his cleverest and funniest books.
Jurgen, A Comedy of Justice, by James Branch Cabel. Not new, but it has aged well.
Somewhat reminiscent of Lord Dunsany's writing, only with more biting wit and less poetry.
1. Rhythm of War, by Brandon Sanderson
-Sanderson is the best fantasy writer out there currently. One of the few authors I'll continually go back and read. Rereading Warbreaker was quite nice
2. A Desolation Called Peace, by Arkady Martine
The follow up to A Memory Called Empire, it's not quite as good, but still better than 90% of what's out there. Excellent characters and representation of different cultures.
3. Calculated Risks by Seanan McGuire. Just a fun read, a "beach book" of Sci-fi/fantasy, where you don't need to think very hard. Moves fast, good characters. Book 10 in a series.
Re : Tchaikovsky. I haven't read Cage of Souls, but I did go through Children of Ruin and Children of Time by him. And while the world building was superb, I found the character development to be less so. So, while it was great to see the world, following up just...as less good.
Loved Desolation, looking forward to the sequel. Could never get into anything by McGuire or Tchaikovsky, even though in theory they're both in my wheelhouse.
Desolation was good. The very mild criticism in it probably comes from Martine's writing from the perspective of the alien race. It doesn't quite come across well, and falls into a semi-trope in the end. Everything else is stellar.
Tchaikovsky does wonderful writing from the perspective of an alien race. It's everything else that is just OK. (Children of Ruin and Time)
McGuire varies greatly between her series. Some I find hard to read. (October Daye). Incyptid is easier.
A Desolation Called Peace is my favorite book of the year so far, and A Memory Called Empire was probably my favorite book of 2019. If you enjoy that series and haven't read The Left Hand of Darkness yet, then I'd highly recommend that. I just recently finally read it and was blown away. It's a very philosophical book about first contact between different races, while also being a political thriller about a lone diplomat's attempt to survive the dangerous position he's in.
I didn't enjoy Rhythm of War as much as the previous books in the series. I loved Oathbringer and Words of Radiance, but something about RoW grated. I think it's mainly a case of problems I've long had with Sanderson becoming more prevalent. His dialogue often feels false, especially when there are "jokes". And I think he went a twist too far, for me at least. I've found that all these connections to his larger universe just annoy me. I'll probably reread it before the next one comes out, maybe I'll enjoy it more then.
Other books I've recently read were the Ancillary Justice series by Ann Leckie, which I really liked. The first book is about a rogue AI (the remnant of a battleship's brain) on a quest for revenge, and it's just great.
Also, Susannah Clarke's Piranesi was beautiful. I read Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell years ago, and what I remember best is the way her style brought so much character to the book, just oozing tone. Piranesi has a similar quality, with the narration perfectly drawing you into this odd character's worldview. The main mystery of the book is discovering who this man is and how he got into the situation he's in, and it's fascinating. The other, less flattering thing I remember about Jonathan Strange was how unbearably dense it was. Piranesi is a quick read, and the perfect length for the story it's telling.
Personally, I enjoy Sanderson's connections to the broader universe. Re-reading the Arcanum Unbounded (short story collection) after reading Rhythm of War...so many new connections can be made.
Ancillary Justice was just OK for me.
I thought Gideon the Ninth was very nice. A little dark in the beginning, but came around.
Ruin of Kings (Jenn Lyon) is another high on the list.
Been working my way through the Oxford History of the United States series. I'm on What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America 1815-1848 by Daniel Walker Howe.
I really liked Empire of Liberty (the volume before).
Me too. I think Battle Cry of Freedom was the best though. Was not really a fan of The Glorious Cause.
Reading Stephen Kotkin's books on Stalin. I started backwards and read "Waiting for Hitler", the second volume then read the first volume, "Paradoxes of Power", afterwards. That worked out pretty well actually since I could understand Stalin's actions in volume two in a new light with volume one. It was like a flashback from two to one with his decisions seen through his experiences in one.
I'm not sure, though, he has Stalin right. Unlike Robert Tucker who argued that Stalin (and other leaders of the USSR) should be viewed through their personalities and psychological differences, Kotkin argues that they truly believed in the Marxist-Leninist ideology and that ideology or worldview shaped their actions more than their personal histories.
Don't sully the good name of Communism by claiming that Stalin's personality defects were actually manifestations of Marxist-Leninist thought. We all know that Communism, with a Russian socialist state as the vanguard, would have ushered in a global worker's paradise if Trotsky, who was favored by Lenin, ascended to the role of general secretary.
If I may offer a riddle: What business is like "no-ah business I know?" If you figure it out, get to business.
Is the science behind either of these books reasonable? I no longer have the patience for science fiction with b.s. science.
Better stick with Robert Forward, then. He went to great lengths to make his SF scientifically accurate.
Book: Annals Of The Former World, John McPhee
Article: The Gravel Page, John McPhee
Movie: A Man Called Ove (available with Amazon Prime subscription, I believe)
Television: The Americans (dramatic series); Last Week Tonight With John Oliver Tonight (weekly comedy, current events); Queen's Gambit (limited series)
Music: Brain Salad Surgery, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, especially Karn Evil 9, first impression, part two (find the 1974 California Jam version) and Benny the Bouncer
>Last Week Tonight with John Oliver Tonight
Big cringe
Almost anything by McPhee. A master.
Looking for a Ship was great.
"Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner's Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause" by Ty Seidule. The author, a retired brigadier general and history professor (including at West Point) was raised in South to revere Lee. The book is his account of his upbringing and education and what led him to finally accept that the primary goal of the Confederacy was the continuation of human bondage.
I've been reading 'The New Mind of the South' and it covers the same topic. Why can't those ignorant, backwater rubes just admit that they're eternally guilty and Black people are practically angels made in the flesh compared to their own tortured souls.
MoreCurious : "what led him to finally accept that the primary goal of the Confederacy was the continuation of human bondage"
Another book good for that aim is a slender little volume called "Apostles of Disunion: Southern Secession Commissioners and the Causes of the Civil War".
States in the deep South were the first to secede, and then they sent emissaries to convince their wavering southern brethren to join them. These "commissioners" gave speeches before state legislatures and public meeting to convince the remaining southern states to join the Confederacy. Slavery (of course) was the primary justification in this sale's pitch, documented in speech after speech.
Guess I don't get to sit at the cool kids table since I only read graphic novels. But this is one of the best. Check it out checkitouters.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1683340213/reasonmagazinea-20/
If you have any doubt about "A Land Remembered" this review of the graphic novel should at least make you perk up your ears
"I am glad I only purchased one to look over before I purchased it for my classroom. It is not appropriate. 🙁 I have found curse words and some of the graphics would lead to questions such as: "What does that mean?", where the teacher would be a bit embarrassed and scared to answer."
ragebot : Guess I don’t get to sit at the cool kids table since I only read graphic novels
I just came so close to purchasing R Crumb's Book of Genesis. It's only a matter of time though...
My suggestion is to purchase batteries to replace the batteries in your sarcasm detector before you buy any thing else.
Uh huh. Go remind someone who cares.
(Am really looking forward to Crumb on Yahweh though!)
But graphic novels make such poor audiobooks...
I have to point out that books are just one source of reading material. While I have not read this book (it never seems to be available) the over 1,400 reviews of it on Amazon are well worth a glance. One of the reviews is posted below the Amazon link.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0870334336/reasonmagazinea-20/
"1.0 out of 5 stars A Book of Hate Speech Posing as Advice.
Reviewed in the United States on January 12, 2017
As a huge ship myself, I'm hurt and offended that the author of this disreputable tract would suggest that I be avoided. Life is difficult enough as a huge ship in a world of sailboats, but now to be vilified like this is more than anyone should have to bear. Although Federal guidelines exist regarding accessibility requirements to accommodate huge ships - we need extra-wide docking space in retail centers and restaurants, for instance - I can tell you that they are rarely followed, leading to pain, discomfort, and embarrassment when I attempt to go out in public. The plight of the huge ship in society is rarely discussed; it seems that people would rather ignore us - hence the title of this reprehensible book - then to take the time to get to know us and appreciate our unique needs and common desires, leading to misunderstanding and resentment on both sides. Oh yes, I hear you, you kayaks and catamarans, snickering behind my stern when I go by. Don't think I don't. I hear all the jokes: "Wow, check out the wake on that one!" or "When you sit around the port, you really sit AROUND the port!" We don't want to be seen as different, or ugly, or nautically challenging, we just want to be recognized as contributing members of society, the same as everyone else. So the next time you see a huge ship, please don't ignore it. Step up and say, "Hello, how are you?" You might just make a friend for life."
Wanna prove your reading chops w/ a long one? I recommend Thomas Mann's Joseph and His Brothers, clocking in at 1492 pages (Everyman's Library edition, Wood's translation). There's an obnoxious 50-60 pages to surmount at the beginning, but the remaining tetralogy is charming. Joseph is the über Mann-style hero, part-artist (of his life's course) and part-scamp, but Jacob is an equally great character.
That is the only one of his novels that I haven't read -- I did my undergrad honors thesis on Doktor Faustus.
I always recommend Buddenbrooks as a great read -- it doesn't sound appealing, but it is one of those books that everybody likes once they get into it.
Do you know his unfortunately-unfinished final novel, Bekenntnisse des Hochstaplers Felix Krull (Confessions of Felix Krull, Confidence-Man)? It's great fun and would have been even better if he had completed it.
If I did, I don't remember it. Was that a full novel? I always thought is was more of a longish short story or novella?
It was both. Felix Krull started off as a short story fairly early in Mann's career. Late in his life he worked at expanding it into a novel, and leaving that unfinished.
The Holy Sinner is another good Mann read.
That makes sense about Felix Krull.
The Holy Sinner was good as I recall -- it has been about 30 years since I read any Thomas Mann.
I recommend anything by Charles Stross. The Merchant Princes series does the parallel worlds trope with a fresh eye. The Laundry series brings Lovecraft horror up to date (a human sacrifice reduces the number of observers of the wave function, thereby enabling information to tunnel between worlds...).
Ah yes, the Laundry. I saw the Atrocity Archives a little lower in the comments.
Here are two more books everyone should read: The original The Adventures of Pinocchio by Carlo Collodi, and, (you guys probably all already know this one) The Good Soldier Švejk by Jaroslav Hašek.
Hyperion and the Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons
I remember a friend in college reading the Hyperion saga about 20 years ago. I never got around to it but I'm certain that I should. Side note: he wasn't familiar with the word "shrike" so I was able to explain why an intelligent, human-sized one hunting you was a terrifying prospect indeed. (If you've ever seen a frog or rodent impaled on a barbed wire fence and thought, "What kind of sick fuck...?" Recognize the shrike's handiwork)
Thanks to the poster who recommended
John Farrell's 'Clarence Darrow: Attorney for the Damned'.
Sounds like a fifties horror movie but great read!
Try an old British Sci-Fi series called "UFO"..scared the hell out of me when I was a kid..only one year and some of the episodes are not that good but some were def. X-Files before X-Files. Try the first few and then focus on the episodes on Earth...from the Andersons ("Thunderbirds") but very much before it's time. Very British sci-fi..
For very old school Sci-Fi you have to go to Lovecraft "At the Mountains of Madness"
If you want a modern twist on Lovecraft, try The Atrocity Archives by Charles Stross.
Very big "seconded" on the Atrocity Archives.
Super fun and horrifying at the same time.
There ares two great audio dramas reworking Lovecraft - The Lovecraft Investigations, done over three seasons at BBC4, downloadable as podcasts for free, and Arkham County, a big audio drama you can purchase from Audible. Listened to both of them in Jan/Feb and it made for a very squamous New Year vibe.
AtMoM is good, but the best Lovecraft-- head and shoulders above all the others, IMHO, a real masterpiece-- is The Shadow over Innsmouth.
And for "very old school sci-fi" you can't beat the original novella The Invisible Man. We forget how well-written it is, how menacing the character of Griffin is.
Oh, and does anyone else here know Stranger from the Depths by Gerry Turner?
Nyarlathotep is a favorite Lovecraft story, having a dream-like apocalyptical vibe.
Lastly for a future that seemed realistic after Apollo Moon Landings and a good detective story try "Inherit the Stars" by James Hogan. Written in the mid 70's very 2001 type of future..
"Inferno" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Protagonist (SF author) dies doing stupid trick to impress his fans, wakes up in hell as envisioned by Dante hisself.
I love Niven and don't know how I let this one pass me by. Definitely thanks for the reccomend.
There's a sequel, by the way: Escape from Hell. Also worth reading.
Text or audio of The Algebraist by Ian M. Banks is a treasure and any of you would do yourselves a service by consuming it in any format available. Also: you fucking manbabies in the comments bitching at each other over your mutual fuckeries need to get over yourselves and recommend SF or GTFO.
Ringworld is always an established classic. Same for Dune. So much of the Starwars movies was stolen from them.
If you're gonna recommend something by Frank Herbert (you mentioned Dune, which Eugene has probably already read), don't forget The White Plague. It might turn out to be prophetic and timely in a very bad way.
How about genuinely funny books that stand the test of time.
Here are a couple of my favorites:
Decline and Fall (Waugh)
Scoop (Waugh)
Lucky Jim (Amis)
Confederacy of Dunces (Toole)
Most P.G. Wodehouse books
Here are two that have not jeld up as well:
Catch-22 (Heller)
The Ginger Man (Donleavy)
If you've heard of but never read John D. MacDonald's Travis McGee novels, they are absolutely great. They are the ones that each have a different color in the title. Also highly recommend Martin Cruz Smith's series of novels about Arkady Renko, starting with Gorky Park. Really all of Smith's novels are great reads, very hard to put down.