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Georgetown Law Journal Author Diversity Policy: At least 25% "of the Total Articles the Senior Articles Editor Assigns Shall be Written by Diverse Authors"
And if the Senior Articles Editor cannot meet this quota, then "Select members of the Senior Board will then take steps to remedy the Senior Article Editor’s concerns"
I recently came across the Georgetown Law Journal's author diversity amendment. It was ratified in the spring of 2020. (I am not certain the date). The policy creates an express quota for reviewed articles:
During each articles-assignment period (usually each week), at least 25 percent of the total articles the Senior Articles Editor assigns shall be written by diverse authors as defined by (i).
The policy offers this definition of diversity:
Disability, race, ethnicity, underrepresented religions, sexual orientation, gender identity (i.e. non-cisgender/non-binary), and socioeconomic status.
By my read, white cisgender women are not considered diverse. And I doubt Judaism and LDS are "underrepresented" religions for legal academia.
What happens if the Senior Article Editor cannot meet this quota:
In cases where the Senior Articles Editor is unable to meet the percentage agreed upon in accordance with (1)(a), they shall approach the EIC and the Board to discuss the reasons why they were unable to fulfill the mandate. Select members of the Senior Board will then take steps to remedy the Senior Article Editor's concerns and increase author diversity.
The policy acknowledges that the quota can be lowered, but never below 10%:
After the EIC and Senior Board members' review, these members will vote to provide a new percentage, never to be lower than 10 percent, to set as a floor requirement for the amount of articles by diverse authors assigned by the Senior Articles Editor in each assignment period.
And, if there are still not enough submissions from diverse authors, the journal can solicit articles from specific diverse authors:
In cases where the Senior Articles Editor does not have enough articles from diverse authors to meet the requirements established in this Amendment, the Senior Articles Editor, the EIC, the Senior Notes Editor, the Senior Online Editor, and the Development Committee will establish outreach initiatives targeted at academic institutions and diverse academics to increase the amount of articles submitted from diverse authors.
The journal adopted another policy in Spring 2021 with respect to the publication of student notes. (There are other adopted policies as well). Specifically, there is a requirement to publish at least one note focusing on "social justice."
Every volume of the Journal shall select for publication at least one student Note submission addressing an issue of social justice.
What is social justice?
Themes on social justice reform include but are not limited to gender identity, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, physical and mental ability, immigration status, national origin/indigeneity, prison and criminal justice reform, and socioeconomic status. On
And what happens if the Notes Committee fails to select a social justice note?
In volumes where the Notes Committee fails to select a Note addressing an issue of social justice, the Senior Notes Editor shall approach the EIC and the Board to discuss the reasons they were unable to fulfill the requirement. The Editor-in-Chief shall have discretion to take appropriate measures to remedy the Senior Notes Editor's concerns and ensure compliance in future volumes.
Moreover, 25% of all note submissions must be from diverse students:
In addition to the Spring 2020 GLJ Author Diversity Constitutional Amendment requirement that 25% of articles screened by the Articles Committee be written by diverse authors, the Notes Committee and GLJ Online shall ensure at least 25% of their submissions sent to their respective selection committees are written by diverse authors as defined in Section (i) of the Spring 2020 GLJ Author Diversity Constitutional Amendment.
Let me try to break down the author policy with simple numbers. Assume in a given week, a journal receives 1,000 submissions. And the journal receives 500 submissions from diverse authors. In that scenario, the Senior Articles Editor can forward 50% of the diverse submissions for review. And the Editor can forward 75% of the remaining submissions from non-diverse authors. What if the journal only receives 250 submissions from diverse authors. With these numbers, the Senior Articles Editor will likely forward 100% of the submissions. If the Editor fails to forward on a submission from a diverse author, he or she may be subject to remedial action. What if the journal only receives 100 submissions from diverse authors. Under the policy, the Editor would likely forward 100% of those submissions. But he would also have to decrease the number of submissions from non-diverse authors. Here, the Editor would only be able to forward submissions from 300 non-diverse authors for a total of 400 submissions. That allocation would generate a 25/75 split. Again, if we start with 1,000 submissions, 100% of the diverse submissions would be forwarded. And 30% of the non-diverse submissions would be forwarded. Journals can always increase the denominator, as a way to increase the numerator. That is, recruit more submissions from diverse authors. But in the absence of more submissions from diverse authors, then the selection rate for non-diverse authors will have to decrease.
One final point: how do expedites work? If the journal had already met its weekly quota of non-diverse authors, will an expedite from a non-diverse author be rejected out of hand? Often, expedite requests have very short time horizons, so it would not be feasible to hold onto an article till the next week comes in. Or, are expedites requests exempt from this policy?
Now the policy does not impose any quotas on what articles are published. But the policy imposes very stringent "tracking" protocols:
The Senior Articles Editor & the Development Committee shall track the number of articles from diverse authors considered at both the screening and full-committee stages of the Articles Committee selection process, and the number of articles published from diverse authors per issue before the printing of each issue.
I suspect the pressure will be large on the various committees to publish the submissions from diverse authors. This pressure is a feature, and not a bug of the policy. At some point, once the pipeline is established, the journal will likely impose publication requirements as well.
I have not kept close track of how many elite journals have adopted such policies, but I suspect it is widespread. Journals are now imposing specific quotas on the representation of authors, and even the subject matters of note topics.
Update: The Washington Post published a profile of the current Georgetown Law Journal's Editor in Chief. The piece includes this passage:
The outgoing journal editor, Toni Deane, who was the publication's first Black editor in chief, said Lee and her senior board are already making a difference. Among the 13 articles selected so far for the journal Lee is overseeing, there are seven pieces with authors who are Black, Indigenous and people of color, and five that include female authors.
"They're already crushing it," Deane said. "The people who are selecting these pieces matter."
Roughly half of the articles published are by diverse authors.
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White men can simply convert to Satanism or Islam for a few days in order to qualify for the “underrepresented religions”...it beats having to cut off your penis to qualify as a transgender female. 😉
That would not be necessary. White men could identify as black and disabled. Anybody got a problem with that.
I am not interested in academic publications. I do identify as rich. I expect everyone to send me money to avoid discrimination complaints by me.
So cutting of my penis was unnecessary?? Oops. 😉
No, just identify as penis free. People need to respect your identity.
Here is a hypothetical for the scumbag lawyer traitors here, pushing diversity.
You are a surgeon. A patient identifies as haing no legs, or as having no eyes. He has proven that to the world by living that way for the past 2 years. He is in your office, demanding the amputation of his 2 healthy legs. Or, he is demanding the removal of 2 healthy eyes. He expects Medicaid to pay for the procedures. He expected to be accepted into the military after wards. What is your reply?
If your reply is, psych eval, those procedures are far less drastic, less dangerous, less disfiguring than a sex change.
Same hypothetical, except the patient is 12 years old. What is your reply?
Stop discriminating, surgeons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria
The clown is at it again.
Name calling by a frustrated lawyer. Violates the Fallacy of Irrelevance.
But name calling by the frustrated non-lawyer is peachy-keen.
Answer the questions, Nico.
Your hypothetical is stupid.
In any field, if you what quality results, you choose a practitioner with quality training and sufficient relevant experience.
Your mindless screeds against lawyers remove any credibility that might attach to your posts. Perhaps your wife's divorce lawyer screwed you royally.
In addition only a seeking a malpractice judgement would perform your request surgery regardless of the age of the would-be patient
Gender identity is stupid. Do you really think biological males should be able to enter a women's race merely by "identifying" as female?
Do you think a biological male should have to dress, talk, date, etc., like what people traditionally think biological males should? Because that's like 95% of what we're talking about, not the admittedly tougher 5% of issues like should they be able to enter a woman's athletic event. And nearly all of those of us who have long cared about women's sports know this as a fairly bad faith argument from many of the same people who, for example, have been ragingly hostile to title IX for years.
I don't give a rat's ass how people walk, talk, dress, etc. But dressing like woman doesn't make one a biological female. That's the 95% that YOU don't want to talk about.
Do you feel so strongly about, say, brunettes that dye their hair blond and want people to treat and accept them as blondes, or people who get nosejobs or other biological alterations? I tend to think people should be treated as they present themselves except only in the thorny 5% of issues mentioned earlier, I'm not the biologically police to decide when someone is not properly 'presenting' according to their biological destiny or what not.
Not sure what dying hair has to do with anything. I've never heard of anyone saying that specific hair color suddenly changes males to females or vice versa.
Identify politics is crap because of what you precisely claim is irrelevant -- cosmetic changes. Saying you identify as female in order to win a women's race because you are really a biological male is as cosmetci as wearing a dress or changing your hair color.
Identity politics is nonsense.
Identity politics is just realizing that you often have a lot in common with people in your group. This is a common truism, you can see it in polling (ask blacks vs. whites about police brutality) or in the composition of this blog (a hugely disproportionate number of Jewish white males).
You beg the question when you declare some biological changes as merely cosmetic and others as more important. Why does a person unsatisfied with their biological features matter when it is their breasts or genitals but is fine if it is their nose and face (or, hey, breasts again, re augmentation)? And then you're back to the race, but, hey, you've never been much of a champion of women's sports, have you? So, what's really going on here?
"I don’t give a rat’s ass how people walk, talk, dress, etc."
The answer, of course, is that SOMEBODY has to be empowered to make an inspection to make sure that a person presenting themselves as "female" has all the desired physical attributes. Obviously, that power would be enforceable at any place, any time, for no damn good reason, because...
"And nearly all of those of us who have long cared about women’s sports know this as a fairly bad faith argument from many of the same people who, for example, have been ragingly hostile to title IX for years."
Some of us are merely finding it hilarious that the devil you created has now turned on you. Thirty years ago, Rush Limbaugh joked about "male lesbians" and now we *have* them.
You concurrently demanded both equality and segregation and now both of those are being used against you -- I find that hilarious. It's kinda like the Northern states who never thought that the 14th Amendment would also apply to them.
And as to college athletics, I much prefer the MIT "physical fitness" approach -- every student has to play a sport and the university has to find a sport for every player. And "every" means "every" -- male, female, and confused.
'Identify politics is crap'
It's like a fish suddenly noticing water and deciding it's crap.
Hi, Queenie. Answer the question in the hypothetical. Would you amputate normal legs and enucleate normal eyes? Those surgeries are 1/10th as dangerous or as harmful than a sex change.
Would you make that claim and undergo that surgery just to prove your point?
Actually yes, because reducio ad absurdum is the only way that we are going to end this crap.
Trans women should.
A strictly speaking empty set, but one filled by the imagination and the ego.
They exist with or wthout your belief in them.
Your hypothetical requires adjustment.
The patient's claim is not, as it turns out, extraordinary. Many people are born without legs or eyes, and there is a growing phenomenon of people born with legs and eyes who identify, for reasons that are not entirely clear, as people without legs or eyes. The fact that they have legs and eyes causes them great distress; they are known to commit suicide and suffer from depression at greater rates than others; they claim that the experience of having legs and eyes "feels wrong," and they take steps (heh) to, as you say, live in conformity with the way they feel they "should" have been born.
In that scenario, do you, as a surgeon, accede to the patient's free request? Is there any moral problem with doing so?
The "what about the kids" canard is a red herring, common among the very same conservative troglodytes who default into tribalism at the earliest opportunity. It is not particularly hard to resolve, philosophically: You ask yourself what the eighteen-year-old version of the child would have elected for him or herself, at that time and in those circumstances.
By-the-by, it's important to understand that tool for resolving the "what about the kids" conundrum, because in the context of trans issues it has real salience. That is, an 18-year-old trans person may have particularly strong feelings about what the 12-year-old versions of themself should have been allowed to do, particularly when it comes to things like puberty blockers. A still-legged and still-eyed 18-year-old can, at least, opt to undergo a surgery they were not allowed to undergo when still a minor. In contrast, a trans person at 18 has missed an important opportunity to live their best life.
"Many"? I think you do not know how to count or compare numbers.
Simon, you understand the situation. You do not answer what you would do as the surgeon. You just ask more questions. Can you answer what your decision would be as a surgeon, given all the complexities you outlined? Amputate and enucleate normal body parts, or not.
I am not aware of any instance of the performance of such surgery.
If you answer, no, I would refer to psychiatry, I am adding an extortive threat next. Patient says, if you do not perform the proper amputation or enucleation, I will do it myself with the carpentry tools in my filthy garage. Then, it will time to call the police to have this patient taken away.
Just as the lawyer has intimidated doctors into accepting other delusions, no doubt, this disorder is on the list of liberation movements. At some point, doctors will say, enough of your lawyer intimidation.
If working out the answers to questions like this gives you problems, maybe what it shows is that "surgeon" is not the ideal job for you.
This is really a lawyer hypothetical. No surgeon has removed normal eyes to my knowledge. That surgeon would not worry about the licensing board. The other surgeons would just kill him.
Lawyers run PC. They decide what surgeons will do. The enucleation of normal eyes is a tenth as bad as a sex change. Yet, you lawyers force people into accepting ghoulish disfigurements. You lawyers force females to wrestle males on high school teams. You lawyers need to be arrested to save our nation.
Can't believe you're managing to make lawyers sound like the feckin Avengers as described by a supervillain.
Every social pathology in our nation is caused by lawyer rent seeking. Crushing this, the most toxic occupation, would launch the nation into unprecedented growth and improvement.
Great response
David Behar: Thanos, but for lawyers.
" Yet, you lawyers force people into accepting ghoulish disfigurements."
Neither them lawyers, nor anyone else, forces people into accepting disfigurements of any sort. Sorry if this plain fact interferes with the grand unified theory of lunacy you'd like to evangelize. No, not really sorry.
I am not a surgeon, so I don't have to navigate the ethical waters that surgeons do, even hypothetically, if I don't wanna play some game set up by a person who ALSO isn't a surgeon.
What you have to say is certainly rich.
It's much more fun to get all the groups fighting with each other...
Csgendered Lesbians and Transexuals come to immediate mind, and they do NOT like each other....
You of course have no idea outside of what you read about in right wing rags that have little care for either group.
No, I still remember being in a firefight of a "professional" staff meeting with the lesbians and the women of color screaming at each other as to who was more oppressed. Something about "passiveism" which I believe means ability to pass as not being a member of the purportedly oppressed group.
If two groups, neither of which respect *my* humanity, wish to destroy each other, why should I stop them?
I still remember being in a firefight of a “professional” staff meeting...
Sure you do.
No, the bi-weekly ResEd Departmental staff meetings were legendary...
The problem? These fights wasted your time and stress. Today, you would have your phone to spend your time as a Volokh commentator during the firefight. Next fight, live blog.
"No, the bi-weekly ResEd Departmental staff meetings were legendary"
You've tipped your hand. Legends generally aren't true.
"Csgendered Lesbians and Transexuals come to immediate mind, and they do NOT like each other…."
I doubt that anyone in either of those groups likes you any better than anyone else in either group, so maybe that should be your immediate concern.
See above...
Well, your clearly true story is definitely proof of the general principle.
More so than you might think.
After my Dad who was a medical doctor retired from private practice at 67 he got an 8-5 job with the Indian Health Service. He had a nurse who as a member of the Pawnee Tribe (don't get me started on how you get to be a legal member of an Indian tribe) who came to him with a problem she was having that day. A patient who was a member of another tribe refused to go in the examination room with her. My Dad asked the reluctant patient what was the problem and the woman replied 'Pawnee have been kidnapping and killing Sioux for hundreds of years'.
The longer my Dad worked for the Indian Health Service the more amazed he became at how white men seem to think an Indian is an Indian while the Indians have a long history of not trusting each other.
As a grad student in the 1970s I dated a girl from Venezuela for a while (this was when Venezuela was still a rich country) but we sorta drifted apart. Later on I dated a girl from Puerto Rico but ran into the girl from Venezuela at the International Club weekly supper with Lisi as my date. She was shocked that I would even talk to a Puerto Rican girl and schooled me in the pecking order of which Hispanic girls were acceptable and which were not. Puerto Rican girls were at the bottom and Columbian were at the top; but Venezuela (and most of South and Latin America) were all part of Columbia early on so they qualified as honorary Columbians. For an example closer to home look at the English and the Irish.
Meeting my point about anecdotal evidence with another anecdote is rather missing the point.
Your anecdote doesn't itself prove tribalism exists, much less that it exists between lesbian and transgenders.
"don’t get me started on how you get to be a legal member of an Indian tribe"
You emerge from the vagina of another legal member and take your first breath.
" She was shocked that I would even talk to a Puerto Rican girl and schooled me in the pecking order of which Hispanic girls were acceptable and which were not. Puerto Rican girls were at the bottom and Columbian were at the top; but Venezuela (and most of South and Latin America) were all part of Columbia early on so they qualified as honorary Columbians. For an example closer to home look at the English and the Irish."
I bet your Venezualan girlfriend knew that "Culumbians" are nowadays mostly called "Canadians" while "Colombians" come from further south.
The part of "Columbia" that wound up not being part of the Dominion of Canada became the Oregon Territory; the Columbia River forms part of the border between Oregon and Washington. One of the briefest wars in US history was fought over the border between OUR half and the British half because WE said the San Juan Islands were on our side, and they said it was on their side. Eventually, the dispute was settled by Germany in our favor, and the San Juan Islands are part of Washington.
'Csgendered Lesbians and Transexuals come to immediate mind, and they do NOT like each other….'
This is, of course, untrue.
Given the percent of non-Christians at elite law schools, one could simply identify as Christian.
Given the percent of Catholic Supreme Court justices, identifying as Christian probably isn't going to establish "minority" status. First-day orientation for my law school ended in the chapel, and when they hosted the judicial conference, that's the building they used.
It's a wonder that white men are not banned all together
It would improve the overall scholarship, probably.
Or lack thereof.
The poor dears can barely function.
Simon, if it actually improved the overall scholorship, no one would be accepting their articles *now*...
Turns out that actual scholastic merit isn't the only thing that gets review articles placed.
We aren't in the 19th Century anymore -- *anyone* can publish, and talent excluded from existing law reviews will find its way to publication elsewhere. It will be like the VW Bugs in the 1960s and the Japanese cars in the 1970s -- Detroit neither provided people what they wanted nor maintained quality control and technology (WW-II developed shipping technology) enabled people to go elsewhere.
So Georgetown's Law Review has met its quota of oppressed authors -- if what they write sucks, no one is going to spend time reading it....
So much the better. Law Review is an exercise in egoism.
Real scholarship belongs in peer review journals that used experience practioners as reviewers
Meh. peer-review has limits and doesn't solve all problems. Law students are willing to endure the tedium of fixing all the citation formats for article authors in exchange for a couple of academic credits.
Considering that law journals, and legal academia more broadly, are a self-perpetuating farce, I'm not concerned by the virtue-signaling.
" and legal academia more broadly, are a self-perpetuating farce"
That is a comment of complete ignorance. Do you actually believe and claim that there is no substance to the study of law?
How do rate legal studies relative to gender studies, or ethnic studies?
I believe that editorial decisions made by law review and journal editors are almost entirely made by students who haven't even completed their academic programs and have no basis for evaluating the quality of submissions. I believe that notoriety of authors, timeliness of subjects, and similar proxies substitute for merit in the selection of works for publication.
I similarly believe that the people who go on to become "law professors" similarly lack any meaningful expertise or academic accomplishment. A person who has earned a Ph.D. in "gender studies" or "ethnic studies" will, by the time they are even hoping to be hired as a part-time adjunct at a small-town college, will have obtained a four-year degree in gender/ethnic studies (or related program), possibly obtained a Master's degree in gender/ethnic studies after a one- or two-year program, and obtained a terminal Ph.D. after an indeterminate number of years of study, research, teaching, and writing. They will have spent their entire graduate course of study under the close tutelage of a committee of established professors, who will critique and finally evaluate that student's work.
A law professor, in contrast, will have obtained a four-year degree in any subject, potentially including ones remote from the practice of law. They will be admitted to law school based almost entirely on their GPA from that course of study and their score on a single standardized test. The law degree will require three years to complete, but one's career is determined almost entirely by their performance in their first year, during which they will receive minimal instruction from professors with no particular interest in pedagogy and be evaluated on the basis of one-shot, all-or-nothing final exams. If they do well, they may then apply to work on their school's law review/journal, selection for which will be based on evaluations by other law students of their ability to follow a senselessly complicated and useless (in professional practice) style guide. They will then provide free labor to the law review while writing a capstone "Note," which may or may not be published and may or may not have any academic value. After two more years of practically superfluous law school "instruction," some number of these law review editors will go on to serve in clerkships, which are basically paid internships assisting judges in researching and writing opinions. They may do this for one, two years, if they are lucky. It will be the only meaningful training many law professors ever receive.
From there, some may dabble a bit in private practice, while others will play their connections to land at a law school. Once they land their first gig in the law school Ponzi scheme, they'll have a freer hand to write voluminously and elevate their profile in their further pursuit for judge posts, government posts, or more elite professorships at better schools. Since they have no rigorous philosophical or logical training, most of what they write will be polemical or rhetorical, specious nonsense, much of it useless to the broader profession they nonetheless portray themselves as part of.
There is serious and interesting academic work to be done in and about law. But I would maintain that it happens despite, rather than because of, legal academia. The fact that it harbors such nincompoops as - well, probably about half of the VC - just helps to prove the point.
Interesting beliefs, but if you look at empirical reality you may find that those that distinguish themselves at law school and academe often distinguish themselves in other institutions as well. It's common for the same person to work in industry, private practice, government, academe, etc., in a career.
If you look into the background of the tenured law faculty, you'll find that a majority of them all went to the same law schools, and few of them come from the actual career field they're allegedly preparing students to enter.
I'm not addressing a question about being "distinguished" or "successful." I am specifically rejecting the notion that legal academia is a bona fide academic field.
The fact that ambitious people are driven to success in whatever they do is not particularly relevant to that question.
No Simon, what you are saying is that legal academia does not meet the protocol standards of the rest of the academy -- and that is true.
A law degree -- three years and no dissertation -- is a master's degree. No one would get a full tenured professorship at any serious university with only a master's degree in any other field. Likewise while a lot of the people editing the asinine journals in other fields are idiots, they are idiots with (a) doctorates and (b) faculty status.
Furthermore, you touch on the distinction between a "college" and a "school" in a university --- while considered equal, a "college" is in an academic field while a "school" is in a vocational field. And they're "schools" of law, aren't they?
"No one would get a full tenured professorship at any serious university with only a master’s degree"
As usual your talking through your hat. In the US your statement is close to accurate in some areas, but not universally true. In Europe and the UK many full professors do not have a PhD and yet there scholarship is on par with that in US universities.
Moreover, the majority of MDs do not write a thesis. And the MD plus PhD is no guarantee of either clinical, research or teaching excellence.
It is certainly as bona fide a field as gender or ethnic studies.
But who are you to be the authority? Probably just another person who was screwed by his wife's divorce attorney, just like David Behar.
"... but if you look at empirical reality you may find that those that distinguish themselves at law school and academe often distinguish themselves in other institutions as well."
I know numerous high school teachers who know their subject far better than many college professors. That doesn't negate the fact that the academic qualifications for a professor are significantly higher than that of the high school teacher (i.e. a BA or BS).
High school teachers need more than a BA/BS, Ed. After about the second year of undergraduate work, academics moves from covering breadth to increasing depth. So that people who proceed beyond an Associate's degree know more and more about less and less. This is why there is such wide use of graduate teaching assistants in universities... the grad students are closer to the point where they learned the breadth of their field, and haven't yet dived to the depths of their specializations.
the real indictment of law academia is this... what proportion of the law faculty could pass a bar exam? Not "have ever passed" but "could pass if they sat for the exam this year."
Simon,
I am pretty much in agreement with you about law reviews. I am the editor of two prestigious international journals and would never ask a student to be a reviewer of a manuscript. Rather I look for people with demonstrated experience in the relevant subfield.
Your comparison of those teaching gender/ethnic studies with those in legal academia betrays a baseless prejudice against lawyers and is absent any real evidence.
If you want to see nincompoops you can search many a department of social "sciences." Yup, you may find a few in law schools and departments of economics and even in some departments of physical sciences. All of which proves nothing.
That ridiculous tradition was started by an alcoholic dean, too lazy to do any work. That is the hierarchy of lawyer profession, low lifes, scumbags, dirtballs, drunken sots.
Somebody's jealousy is on clear display. Not pretty, is it?
Current law teaching continues in the format started by that drunk, not just review of articles by know nothing students. Imagine a surgery journal or an engineering journal reviwed by second year students. Law education is another example of the utter failure of the lawyer profession. You are ridiculous. Yet, at the point of gun, you make 99% of government. That gun is your sole validation. You stink, and government does nothing well.
" Imagine a surgery journal ... reviwed by second year students."
I believe that's how the "Scut Monkey Book" initially came into being.
See: http://thescutmonkey.com/
Doctor: Its editors are high ranking academics.
EDITED BY
LEONARD G. GOMELLA, MD, FACS
The Bernard W. Godwin, Jr., Professor And Chairman Department of Urology
Jefferson Medical College, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
STEVEN A. HAIST, MD, MS, FACP
Professor of Medicine and Residency Program Director
University of Kentucky Medical Center Lexington, Kentucky
And as usual David, you've proved exactly nothing.
" Yet, at the point of gun, you make 99% of government."
You're just as good at math as lawyers are.
What *was* the origin of the law reviews?
My guess -- only a guess -- is that they were started in the late 19th Century by students as a means of reviewing new laws & decisions that weren't yet in the textbooks of the era, and that alumni found them useful. Hence the tradition of student editorship.
No, Doctor. The Dean of Harvard Law was a falling down alcoholic. He was too impaired to read the submissions. He had his students do it, and masked it as an intellectual challenge and as an educational tool. He was just too drunk.
I don't have any prejudice against lawyers. I have a prejudice against law professors.
As if that's any better.
department of social “sciences.”
Don,
I don't know what the beef against social sciences is. The term generally includes economics, political science, psychology, sociology and maybe history.
There is tons of serious scholarship in all these fields, and getting a doctorate in one of them is much more demanding than getting a law degree. Economics and psychology, at least, make heavy use of quantitative empirical methods. How many law students could pass a graduate-level statistics class, or obtain any grasp of econometrics?
No Bernard NO!
History is a HUMANITY -- this came up as a major issue in my dissertation for a whole bunch of reasons.
And as to psychology, back in 2015 it was found that 2/3 of 100 psych experiments published in *peer reviewed* journals could not be replicated. The bedrock principle of science is that someone else can do the same experiment and will get the same results...
Here's NPR discussing that: https://www.npr.org/2015/08/28/435416046/research-results-often-fail-to-be-replicated-researchers-say
Your opinion is of no interest to me.
That's a result that can be replicated.
Ed,
your used of scare quotes around "peer-reviewed" is simply dishonest.
The failure of a result to be replicated could be due to sloppy work or due to an inability of a research team to control all of the relevant variables or to improve the signal to noise measurement. While the latter may imply that the conditions that influence behavior are difficult to tease apart, it does not mean that the influences don't exist or cannot be discerned.
None of those considerations imply that a study should not be published or that the work is not scientific.
In fact, I have nothing against the idea of social sciences per se. I do have little respect for ad hoc apoloogetics driven by contemporary politics.
You picked the best of the lot. Interestingly you chose to lead with the most formal of the fields, economics. Psychology has a strong clinical side, although some branches a filled with wild speculation masquerading as an observational science. History has a similar characteristic, an admixture of serious scholarship and politically motivated apologetics. I could go on.
I have much less use for art critics than I do for actual art historians and less use for those than for actual artists.
Interestingly you chose to lead with the most formal of the fields, economics. Psychology has a strong clinical side,
Well, I'm much more familiar with economics than with the others. What is interesting, though, is that a frequent criticism of economics is that it is too formal - that it relies too heavily on abstract models which, while maybe elegant, don't actually tell us much about the world. This is sometimes called "physics envy," a phrase that stings, I think, because it is not wholly inaccurate.
Psychology not only has a strong clinical side, there are also things like animal behavior, early childhood, etc. that are strong, though you may be including some of those human-related areas in "clinical." I'm aware that there are replication issues.
Bernard,
I am aware of that criticism of economics, and I agree that sometimes mathematics takes the place of thinking.
And I do include animal studies (more properly experimental psychology) in what I called clinical.
"I don’t know what the beef against social sciences is. The term generally includes economics, political science, psychology, sociology and maybe history."
You get speech communication, too. Sometimes it's seen as one of the Humanities, sometimes as a social science. It's definitely one of the original seven liberal arts, either way.
Simon -- while each institution has its own standards, most won't give you adjunct faculty status unless you are at least working on a doctorate, and that means having completed your coursework. While graduate assistants can be working on (or just starting) a masters' degree, they technically are being supervised by a professor who technically is supposed to be teaching the course.
I still have a major problem with the "D" in JD -- starting with the fact tat it is NOT a terminal degree. Professors in every other part of the academy are expected to have a terminal degree....
So you've never heard of post-doctorate research. Surprising. (wait, no it isn't!)
Looking forward to when Medical Schools and Commercial Airline pilot training applies this thinking to even things out a bit and make them "fair".
"Please relax Associate Justice Kagan, and stop asking so many 'racist' questions about your surgeon's training, skills and experience. Your Cardiac surgeon has a diverse background and checks several key boxes for our Hospital's diversity requirements. Good Luck!"
Commercial airline pilot training is conducted almost entirely by the United States Air Force.
Ummm -- NO.
It was in the 1970s, particularly because (a) Vietnam was winding down and (b) we kept retiring aircraft which would end the careers of those who flew them (unless they wished to start over on an new aircraft -- and extend their tours accordingly).
Now military aviation is much smaller (don't forget the USN) *and* we haven't retired the older planes. A pilot who signed up 20 years ago could well be flying the same model of plane today, the F-15s and F-16s are older than the guys flying them.
No, most commercial pilot training is conducted by private institutions, with the pilots working their way up from cargo flights and puddle jumpers to the regional airlines and then the legacy carriers. Yes, the military is losing pilots, it isn't like the 1970s.
"Now military aviation is much smaller (don’t forget the USN)"
Naval aviation doesn't have as many larger airframes of the sort used by commercial aviation. Nobody's landing a 737 on a carrier.
" A pilot who signed up 20 years ago could well be flying the same model of plane today, the F-15s and F-16s are older than the guys flying them."
No, the older fighter airframes got sent to ANG units as the active duty fighter wings moved to newer airplanes. There's a letter at the end of the airplane type that indicates this. During my time in service, the interceptor group I was assigned to flew F-4C aircraft as their primary aircraft, and all of our F-4C's had seen action in Vietnam. At the time I went through technical training in the mid-80's, the active duty AF no longer had any F-4C's, so they trained me on an F-4D. I went to my permanent duty station and learned the F-4C, and was also cross-trained on the A-7, A-10, F-15, F-16, B-52, F/B-111, and B-1, as well as some OJT on F-14 and F-18. After I separated, the F-4C were finally retired to sit in the sun in Arizona, and the unit switched to F-15A, which is a much better match to the interceptor mission. Those F-15A airframes ARE old, but the ANG got them because somewhere an Active Duty fighter group got either F-15E or F-22 or F-35 aircraft to play with.
If you want to learn to fly a Boeing airliner, being taught to fly a USAF KC-135 or E-3 is a great starting point. If I needed to fill a left seat for my airline, the candidates with that kind of training and experience would get the first look.
"No, most commercial pilot training is conducted by private institutions"
If you're referring to cross-training, this is true. If you have experience flying a 737 but need to be able to fly an Airbus, you aren't going to have your commission reactivated.
Even scoping that statement to US commercial pilots, and broadening the source to all military pilots rather than just the Air Force, it was true half a century ago but it is no longer true today.
Foreign airlines like to hire American pilots because they already speak English.
James, are you really doubling down? Are you confirming that you really did mean to say that commercial pilots worldwide are almost entirely USAF trained?
I'm going to need to see some proof of that, given the article I linked to that says it isn't even true inside the US.
"Are you confirming that you really did mean to say that commercial pilots worldwide are almost entirely USAF trained?"
Yup. Look at the airlines' peer-training programs... where did the pilots who are doing training originally get trained? If you keep tracing the trainers back, you're going to find yourself looking at USAF again and again.
"Journals are now imposing specific quotas on the representation of authors, and even the subject matters of note topics."
Is this a new development, or is the Volokh Conspiracy continuing to flatter the right-wing perspective that ignores the policies and practices of Liberty, Ave Maria, Brigham Young, Regent, Catholic University, Hillsdale, Grove City, Wheaton, Biola, Bob Jones, Oral Roberts, Franciscan, and other conservative-controlled campuses?
He's on the hobby horse again.
He rides it so much that is cuts off blood to his gonads.
That must explain his meaningless screaming.
How much time do you spend speculating about other people's gonads?
It's especially some high chutzpah coming from a blog site that declares on its masthead its favoritism for some perspectives/ideologies and is overwhelmingly disproportionately over and under represented in major demographic categories (almost like people tend to know, work with, and respect people a lot like them in background and outlook and so think of them easier when it comes to collaboration and such).
"disproportionately over and under represented in major demographic categories"
Could you be more specific?
Oh, I see from other comments that you were.
Kirkland, IF any of those institutions had explicitly stated quota polices, I'm sure you would have quoted them by now.
QED....
IF you had a point, you'd have managed to trot it out by now...
QED
Hint: The expressly conservative-political university systems don't have to expressly spell out their quota policies... they make it clear which viewpoints are unwelcome at the institutional level and enforce them strongly enough to make associating with the institution (in any way) into a career stain. That takes care of keeping them from having to read any ideas they don't care for.
I think this is a swell idea. Nothing will better enhance GW's reputation for excellence in scholarship and legal thinking like a quota system.
This is so much better than those second-rate law schools that The Rev is always going on about! Watch and learn, bitter clingers. This is how you do it right.
Conservative education (backwater religious schools, downscale homeschooling) is part of the reason clingers can't compete in the American culture war. Dogma, ignorance, backwardness, superstition, insularity, and bigotry have consequences.
Our strongest research and teaching facilities, operated by and for the Americans conservatives resent, are not the only reason conservatives are culture war casualties. America's can't-keep-up backwaters are no match for the modern, successful, educated communities of the liberal-libertarian mainstream. Better America has the best entertainments and culture -- comedians, movies, books, musicians, actors, directors, authors, newspapers, and broadcasters -- too.
Carry on, clingers . . . but only so far as your betters permit, and always in their wake.
The hobby horse rocks faster and faster.
A White, male, right-wing blog that begs for affirmative action for clingers — and engages in hypocritical, partisan censorship — is a great place for comments such as that one.
Blah, blah, blah. Ride that hobby horse
The thing is, learning from, or about, other peoples' concerns and backgrounds makes it less likely that you disregard them as insignificant without bothering to consider it. When you're a minority (such as, say, a Conservative on a college campus) you want people to take minority viewpoints into account.
NO!
I want them to take due process and procedural fairness into account. I can live with them hating me as long as they treat me fairly...
Treating you fairly means pointing out that you suck when you do, in fact, suck.
You don't seem to really like it when that happens. Again.
Ivy schools are tax sucking parasites. Thus they support big government in rent seeking. Their product is crap and defective, annoying, Democrat pinheads with ugly faces. All should be defunded and shut down.
Look at Eugene. IQ approaches 200. Look at his product. Nitpicking, useless trivia. Crap serving no one. A total waste of intelligence. Imagine where we would be if he had chosen science, medicine or tech.
". Look at his product. Nitpicking, useless trivia. Crap serving no one. A total waste of intelligence. Imagine where we would be if he had chosen science, medicine or tech."
Science, medicine, and tech have plenty of smart people who do nitpicking of useless trivia already.
Or we could look at YOUR vast catalog of useful productivity, such as...
"Their product is crap and defective, annoying, Democrat pinheads with ugly faces."
More verbal vomit.
You actually have no idea of the productivity of their faculties by any measure.
Are the faculties no predominately Democrats? Probably so. Does that make any difference to the quality of the work? Probably little
"Nothing will better enhance GW’s reputation for excellence in scholarship and legal thinking like a quota system."
Why do you think the practices at Georgetown will affect George Washington's reputation for excellence?
"Nothing will better enhance GW’s reputation for excellence in scholarship and legal thinking like a quota system. "
It's not just that -- GW is likely going to get sued by the professor they fired for saying that her Black students didn't do well in class, and then there are things I am hearing about GW in general.
The think about an institution in decline is that it isn't noticeable until it has gone completely into the toilet, which is where I think that GW is headed...
Now we know the identity another institution that declined to hire "Dr." Ed.
"I didn't want to work there anyway."
If you believe that the only explanation - and it's the only one that can even be suggested - for racial disparities in "X" or "Y" is due to racism, and only racism, then it follows logically from that view that you should have proportionate representation of various groups.
If the explanation is more than racism - with racism being one of many reasons - then you're not really helping anyone especially those you are trying to assist.
These are, frankly, dreadful ideas that are just making things worse for the country and for black (in particular) people. It's not going to work. At some point one hopes this fever will break.
So if I own a sales company even if I don't think the best 'qualified' sales applications on paper are proportionate for reasons other than racism I have no reason to still try to hire, say, a diverse sales staff? None? How about the well being of my company (diverse sales staff will help sell to a diverse clientele)?
The sales analogy is a poor one as in sales the personal connection is important while in an academic journal it is or should be irrelevant.
Academics are not robots, see collaborations (which often start over beers at a convention), mentorships, etc.
Of course academics are not robots. And collaborations do have an important sociological component. In my experience, I have never heard it said that we need a XYZ-type of member in the collaboration. I frequently hear that we need an expert in abc or one with research funds to provide abc.
However, I was not speaking about who is or is not a professor, research or student in a department or member of a collaboration, but rather what the demographics are of the contributors of manuscripts to any particular number of a journals. Quite a different thing.
I don't think its so much people will say 'we need someone from this group' it's more that people tend to know, hang out and work with people from groups they are also in, so when collaboration occurs its often between people who already knew each other in a social sense and not robotically assigning people based on abstract expertise characteristics.
I think we are thinking of two different things when we refer to collaborations. I am referring to large formal groups of 50 or even 1000 members who make formal collaboration agreements and who work according to negotiated rules. In that case we typiclly ask what to group A bring to the collaboration before voting on their being allowed to join.
Do your 50 or 1000 member teams submit many journal articles? That's got to be quite a citation...
Indeed they submit many journal articles many with very large numbers of citations (More than 1000) They work with rigorous publication rules.
Typically a citation is to the XYZ collaboration, not to a list of many individuals.
If you ask how people know who did what, you have a good question. The best answer is that the stars do standout and word gets around the research community.
And how does the ball get rolling on one of these? I imagine it's a few folks who know each other socially...
Usually, the social aspect is very insignificant even in the beginning. The strength of common research interests and the strength of intellectual reputation is predominant. And in the case of the largest of these, the number of opportunities is small because to the sized of the research infrastructure required.
That is not to say that social dynamics are unimportant in how the group functions, but for that very reason rules of engagement in data collection, data analysis, authorship, rules about presentations, etc are decided very near the outset and are applied rigorously.
Setting aside the ridiculous use of "diverse" to mean "black or gay," if your clientele happens to be very white, does that mean you are justified in not hiring black salespeople?
That's not what diverse means, and you know it. Diverse means having a broad range of different people available, so if you find it advantageous to obtain the opinion of a gay, black, diabetic, you can get one readily. If you want the opinion of a blue-eyed blond, you have that at hand, as well. If you're trying to sell your bubbly sugar water to China, having some people familiar with China on your marketing staff can help you refrain from naming your bubbly sugar water with the Chinese for "bite the wax tadpole".
"diverse sales staff will help sell to a diverse clientele"
Do Black athletes hire Black attorneys?
Why do they tend not to???
And do you think that the Black garage owner is going to deal with the Black sales rep who nonchalantly ships him the wrong parts late, or the White guy who gets him the right parts, and on time? Remember that the Black garage owner is a businessman who NEEDS the right parts, and needs them on time....
"And do you think that the Black garage owner is going to deal with the Black sales rep who nonchalantly ships him the wrong parts late, or the White guy who gets him the right parts, and on time?"
Do you think those are the only two choices? Why do you think that?
Maybe he'd prefer to buy stuff from that retard from Maine who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about in just about every conversation.
"Do Black athletes hire Black attorneys?
Why do they tend not to???"
Not enough of them at the top of the big law firms.
What's the fuss about?
Diversity is good for intellectual endeavors for a variety of reasons (different views, different sets of assumptions/biases, representation of stakeholders and audience, etc.,).
Because of historical-sociological reasons involving long history of de jure policies and lingering de facto effects of those many groups will be disadvantaged at and under-represented at a place like GU and particularly at the law review. Therefore in an attempt to boost representation from these groups a slight de jure policy is adopted.
"Diversity is good for intellectual endeavors for a variety of reasons"
That is somewhat true depending on the field.
It would make no sense to insist that the demographics of contributors to a chemistry journal conformed to a sociologically determined distribution.
It is, however, reasonable for a chemistry department to seek out recruits from other than the usual "old boys networks."
I wouldn't go so far at to say it would make no sense (for one thing, representation matters for things like recruitment and role models and such) even for such a field. But, yes, this kind of requirement can easily be understood as getting past material from the 'old boys networks' (in a wide sense!), notice how this blog is not a white male Jew and a diverse bunch of black, Catholic, Muslim women lesbians and bi-sexuals. This almost surely is not because of any bad intentions on Volokh's part but more that people tend to hang out and work with people like them and think of these people easier when it comes time to think about asking for contributions, collaborations, etc.. Requiring people to branch out can be quite good for getting around that.
"Hey, there, Sue* - are you by any chance lesbian? Maybe bisexual?
"Wait a minute, I was just looking for contributors to my blog!"
*Not her actual name
"You see, Dean Wormer* - this is all a big misunderstanding. I simply asked her if she could get me in touch with any Gentiles."
*not his real name
Double secret probation for you.
Hilarious! But how do you deal with the more serious point that people tend to work with/promote people from groups very similar to the ones they are in? It seems like this policy would help (don't confuse the collaborations discussion with submissions).
You get white folks who know about cultures that aren't their own, as well as white folks who'll tell you they know about cultures that aren't their own.
One way to know what women want is to be gyno-American. Another way is to actually ask some women what they want, and listen to what they tell you. Most men aren't good at either approach.
Dems really want a civil war. I'm going to love watching it.
Actually, conservatives like Aktenturd78 really want a civil war, they just want it to be a race war.
A civil war will end up being a race war.
I'm sure your fingers are crossed on that.
Do you conclude this based on your interpretations of the lyrics to "Helter Skelter" and "Revolution #9?"
Does anyone who is not a committed clinger believe Georgetown is or should be in the market for pointers on diversity from this remarkably White, strikingly male, right-wing blog whose level of honesty places “libertarian” but not “conservative” in its self-description?
Keep nipping, Conspirators. You’re bound to graze a liberal-libertarian ankle occasionally, striking an inconsequential blow for movement conservatism.
"remarkably White, strikingly male, right-wing blog"
Wait a minute, this blog would probably meet the Georgetown journal's diversity criteria because of the Jewish bloggers - that's a minority ethnicity, isn't it?
Or have ethnic Jews been cast into the outer darkness of "whiteness"?
In any case, you are yourself white and male, are you not? So why not stand aside and let some woman of color fill the much-needed role of PC enforcer?
The bloggers here are strikingly like each other demographically, no? And that's the idea-that even among groups of highly educated, supposedly abstract and therefore non-'tribal' academics you tend to in fact see people drawn to the company and work of people...just like them! So, if diversity is good intellectually then a policy like this ensures these all too human bubbles mean a little less.
What you want is to have someone to question the groupthink before it's too late to correct. You can get that by having people who are starting with at least slightly different perspective/opinion.
It is remarkable that this blog (1) repeatedly promotes affirmative action for conservative academics (Heterodox Academy, etc.) while (2) defending the against-the-odds privileges of White, male, religious, heterosexual conservatives against diversity efforts at every turn and (3) maintaining an old-timey roster of White, male Conspirators that stands starkly against the reality of modern America's legal academy.
Remarkable, and instructive. This blog's fondness for publishing a vile racial slur -- weekly -- seems related.
The groupthink you get from having "diverse" people is "whitey bad," "I didn't do nuffin" and "Where's my stimmy?"
The groupthink you can summon appears to be summarized as " "
Rock faster on that hobby horse, RAK.
You seem to be obsessed with hobby horses, after initially linking them to gonads in your initial comment on the subject.
discuss.
"A civil war will end up being a race war."
Both Captain America AND Iron Man are white dudes.
"...conservatives like Aktenturd78"?
Fourth graders should not be allowed to post Comments. What are you, 10?
You can keep posting even if you can't manage the 4th grade. It provides comic relief, what with all the serious ideas being tossed around by other commenters.
You're going to love watching a journal have a slightly diverse group of contributers?
Baseball just hasn't been the same since they started letting the blacks play in the major leagues.
Nor the Supreme Court either, since Thurgood Marshall.
"Nor the Supreme Court either, since Thurgood Marshall."
Because Clarence Thomas is identical to Thurgood Marshall -- he'd never think about anything a different way...
It's almost like you're trying to express an idea, but just don'[t know quite what it is...
"Nor the Supreme Court either, since Thurgood Marshall."
As was the case in my original comment, the level of play increased.
By the logic expressed by GW, Baseball has too many Black players and ought to require teams to hire more White ones.
Unqualified White ones...
By the logic used by Dr. Ed...
j/k, these are words that do not belong in the same sentence.
In related outrage news, entertainment companies like Marvel, Disney, HBO, etc., are now as a matter of policy trying to produce/setting aside resources for works with more diverse creators and characters. Turns out they found out there is a diverse world of customers out there with the same color money to buy tickets and subscriptions. Will the wokeness ever stop?
I think people want quality more than diversity. A lot of low quality work is coming out if the major studios these days.
It's stupid to limit yourself only to works created by white men. But if you focus too on the race or sex of the artist you will end up getting crap. Look for quality. It will come from every kind of person. Putting in quotas will just get lower quality work advances because it is easier to find ANY person of color than it is to find a talented person.
You are perhaps missing the point that diversity may be baked into the metric of 'quality' in many situations. It's dumb to argue Black Panther is a failure because of some metric of quality like 'he's not the best imagined super-hero' or 'not the most powerful superhero,' the function of a superhero is to entertain and inspire and *given* a significant black audience for that which has historically been not catered to then the Black Panther is a high quality super-hero and thus made Marvel millions upon millions of dollars. Not being fools who hate money Marvel studios quite naturally then has now a 'quota' to produce more products like that. There's really nothing more to see here than that.
After all, Disney lost a huge pile of money making "Black Panther" with a white director. No, wait, they hired a black fellow to direct it.
And the cast of "The Avengers" includes a green guy AND a red guy, besides the black one and all the white ones. (OK, so the red one didn't actually join until the sequel.)
"A lot of low quality work is coming out if the major studios these days.
It’s stupid to limit yourself only to works created by white men."
Hollywood's problem hasn't been that it as limited to works created by white men. Rather the problem has been that it is limited to works created by the same people over and over, with little willingness to pursue new creative talents. JJ Abrams keeps getting hired to make new franchise movies. (Lens flare!) I would have rather seen Lord and Miller's Han Solo movie than Ron Howard's, despite Mr. Howard's demonstrated history of making successful films. The core problem is the movement towards film franchises rather than one-off productions. Batman can sell movie tickets, no matter who plays him, unless you let Joel Schumaker direct. So there's $200 million to make another Batman sequel, and there isn't $20 million to make "The Queen's Gambit" There's $40 or $50 to make "Guardians of the Galaxy" because Marvel movies currently sell tickets. The creative force of GotG is politically unpalatable? Oh, noes. He's fired. We'll find someone else to make it, unless the cast really does walk away. Marvel has a rich history of sixty-years'-worth of interconnected stories to draw upon, what can we build OUR studio's mega-franchise on? Quick, count up the number of properties that sustained three consecutive films that were any good. There's Toy Story, and Lord of the Rings, and, uh... used to be 007, a long time ago. (started strong, then faded, then restarted strong, then faded again.) You CAN find strings of two, where you had a good movie that was followed by a srong sequel, but in superhero movies in partcular, the third one tends to be, well, not good. Superman I was better than anyone expected, and Superman II was good, but the less said about Superman III, the better. X-Men was good, and X-2 was better, but X-3 was so bad they retconned it right out. Spider-Man was OK, and Spider-Man II was better, but Spider-Man III had dancing Peter Parker. (At least the high point of X-3 was Rebecca Romijn's nude scene.) Batman faded by Batman Forever. Even in the new Batman, Nolan invented for his third film a Batman who could quit being Batman. Bruce Timm understood Batman, but they burned him up making TV instead of feature films.
This is from Georgetown's (a private religious school) University Mission Statement:
Established in 1789 in the spirit of the new republic, the university was founded on the principle that serious and sustained discourse among people of different faiths, cultures, and beliefs promotes intellectual, ethical and spiritual understanding. We embody this principle in the diversity of our students, faculty and staff...
Seems like the policy fits reasonably within this goal. Next Blackman will surely write about Liberty's Law Review preferring conservative and Christian viewpoints as comports with their mission....
In what way does the policy encourage engagement among people of "different...beliefs"?
Anyway, you can't take the mission statement literally. The mission statement says Georgetown is Catholic.
https://governance.georgetown.edu/mission-statement/
Different nationalities, ethnic groups etc., often generally have different beliefs (that's why people can talk about 'the black vote' or 'the Irish vote' historically and sociologically in a meaningful way). It's certainly not an unreasonable or supported proxy.
Why not put viewpoint diversity in their journal's policy?
I mean, I did a quick search of their site and they *did* recently show some viewpoint diversity - with a debate over qualified immunity. Now, I don't know the race of the participants in that debate...maybe a photo should accompany each article?
Because ten articles evaluating laws mandating women prisoner's and students access to, say, tampons while in prison or school by ten 50 year old men taking various positions on the subject would still be missing something, no?
Or here's a way I've actually seen conservatives easily 'get' this part of the debate: what if they had a symposium on 'understanding conservative legal and political thought' and they had a panel of all liberal Democrats (though one studied conservative political and legal thought)? Even if there were some on the panel who fairly discussed conservative legal and political thought, surely conservative law students would be more than a little 'wtf?' about such a panel.
"Because ten articles evaluating laws mandating women prisoner’s and students access to, say, tampons while in prison or school by ten 50 year old men taking various positions on the subject would still be missing something, no?"
As would the same articles written by 10 female authors who relied on their personal tampon use instead of that of women in general. You do not want these articles to become autobiographical.
either way, it wouldn't stop you from wading in with your own ignorant, irrelevant opinion on the topic at hand.
This policy runs contrary to the mission statement, because scholarship can no longer be published if the author doesn't have enough Diversity Points. If there aren't enough meritorious articles by people with enough Diversity Points to be part of the elected, then... well, tough, I guess, choose a worse article to publish.
Obviously everybody should just identify as black transgender. If Georgetown wants to argue over who is, then they can establish a definition of who qualifies and who doesn't. Very interested in the brown paper bag they send out to determine if I'm black enough for favorable treatment.
What you're not getting is the diversity is itself meritorious given their stated mission/metric. You can't have serious and sustained discourse among diverse groups of people without a certain number of voices from diverse groups of people.
The diversity that matters is viewpoint, not skin color. After all, on the internet, no one knows you're a cat. (Except for that one lawyer...).
By this logic black Americans and African audiences would have flocked to a movie about the White Panther, a white South African who passionately defended an advanced African kingdom, like they did for Black Panther.
Well, they did go see Iron Man and Captain America (or at least, somebody did), whereas apparent nobody wanted to see Edward Norton play a green man. They didn't even bother making a standalone movie for Paul Bettany to play a red one. It's still unclear whether or not you were supposed to notice that the quite-famously red-haired Natasha Romanoff was played by a blonde Scarlett Johansen in the last couple of Avengers movies.
Squirrelloid, no.
Black people, for instance, live lives among a nation which adjusts (or sometimes forcibly inflects) viewpoints—not just black viewpoints, but all of them, for everyone—based on what that universe can see of black people's skin color. A like process applies to the lived experience of every notable group—regardless of what public aspects make them specifically notable—including even white, Jewish VC commenters.
For a long time, the nation celebrated a notion of meritocracy which singled out just one of those groups—white, male Anglo-Saxon Protestants—and gauged merit on the basis of that group's lived experience. Candid proxies of that group's experience were imposed alike on everyone, as standards of merit. Members of other groups who happened to be well-prepared to learn and apply those standards got over the bar of merit, got rewarded accordingly, and thus became motivated to endorse those same standards as universal proxies for merit.
In that way, the meritorious in-group expanded, and on that basis became accustomed to celebrate itself as not only meritorious, but also as inclusive and democratic—which it never was, nor even intended to be. Meritocracy, by its nature as a social sieve, is always intended to be anti-democratic. It does no meritocratic good to live by meritocracy if less-meritorious people are not systematically discriminated against in meaningful ways. To admit on a basis of equality the "less-meritorious" to positions of privilege, power, honor, or reward defeats the entire purpose of a meritocratic system.
To put the matter generously, it would be paradoxical to think otherwise. Less generously, it would be delusional but self-serving for those judged meritorious to think otherwise. Which is the pickle the nation's notion of meritocracy—and especially the nation's self-congratulating meritocrats—now find themselves in.
Too much history to the contrary has accumulated. Too many groups judged, "less meritorious," have produced examples of conspicuous merit in overwhelming numbers. In a nation governed under democratic political principles, real power is available to the "less-meritorious" majority to vindicate a different set of social premises—ones more favorable to themselves.
Unsurprisingly, customary meritocrats do not look forward to any adjustment of a system so comfortably advantageous to themselves. But the already-ongoing adjustment is unavoidable. It is past time for the nation—and for accustomed meritocrats especially—to re-examine misplaced premises of natural justice which they suppose their favored system delivers, but does not.
"It does no meritocratic good to live by meritocracy if less-meritorious people are not systematically discriminated against in meaningful ways."
Well, sure. For example, I'm supporting the meritocracy when I take my car to a mechanic who correctly diagnoses and fixes the problem, and thus discriminating against another mechanic who tries a bunch of expensive fixes that don't work. And to the extent other people also choose to discriminate against the bad mechanic, the good mechanic ends up in a better socioeconomic situation than the bad one, and good mechanics as a group end up better off than bad mechanics as a group.
"Unsurprisingly, customary meritocrats do not look forward to any adjustment of a system so comfortably advantageous to themselves."
You are correct again ... the good mechanic does not want a world where he is paid the same as the bad mechanic.
And, of course, neither do most of the rest of us. Except, perhaps, the bad mechanics.
"and thus discriminating against another mechanic who tries a bunch of expensive fixes that don’t work."
You use the would discriminate in a distorted value laden sense to make an argument to fit your politics. Actually your example simply is about the application of a selection criterion that a robot could apply. That criterion has nothing to do with politics only about efficiency.
In any skilled profession, the professionals advance through stages... the apprentice is learning the rules, the journeyman is experienced with the rules and knows how to correctly apply them, and the master knows when the rules can be broken.
So, a good mechanic knows how the engine is supposed to work when it is working correctly, and has some experience with engines that were not working correctly. They should recognize problems similar to ones they've enountered before. A problem they haven't previously worked may well throw them. This is true no matter what kind of mechanic they are.
I'm thinking that mission statement is going to be quoted to them in the lawsuit of the fired professor...
Surely. Based on your record for accurate analysis. I'm certain it will be. By some raving lunatic on the Internet.
The supreme court had the opportunity to remedy this in Fisher v. UT Austin ... they chose to pass, and now we're left with overt racism.
This is a private university, Fisher doesn't apply. But ignorance of what's going on seems strongly coupled with intense views against affirmative action programs.
In the Conservative viewpoint, accordance with facts or other aspects of objective reality are entirely optional.
"We make our own reality"
-- Dick Cheney (shortly before engaging the US in an optional war to bring peace and democracy to the Middle East.)
Conservatives have alternative facts.
Well, they like to pretend that they do.
I'm beginning to think that they think they have alternative fictions, because they think they're fighting a culture war, and what is a culture war if not competing fictions.
Strict quotas may not be used for admissions . How does the use of strict quotas for publishing any different?
approximately nobody is harmed by use of strict quotas for publishing.
LSchnapf, these are editorial policies, not admissions decisions. That is where the difference is. Seems peculiar to have to say so.
Not being familiar with law review jargon and hierarchies, I need to ask a question. Does the requirement that 25% of articles "assigned" be from "diverse" authors mean that 25% of those seriously considered for publication be from that group, or that 25% of those published be.
Who are all the actors here?
The answer, of course, will turn out to be "it's complicated."
Some portion of what gets published will be published because of the name of the author, much the way Stephen King could get his weekly shopping list published if he wanted to. Some of what gets published will be selected for publication because the subject is timely, such as scholarly examination of whether being acquitted by the Senate creates a double jeopardy if the Department of Justice wants to prosecute Donald Trump in federal criminal court for attempting an insurrection to get what he couldn't get at the ballot box. Some will get selected for publication because it's an article that fits squarely into the specialization of the journal. After that, the journal's editorial staff will select articles for inclusion and work with the author to ensure the quality of the article by doing busy-work such as checking the citations, and making suggestions for grammar.
I was an article editor, but not on the editorial board, so I had no role in selecting which articles were printed. My work was largely double-checking the work of the members who did the citation-checking and the citation-editing. After me, the EIC went through and checked MY work. If we printed an author claiming that this legal authority said X, it was thoroughly checked that that legal authority did in fact say X, at the correctly-formatted citation provided by the author, whether the author had correctly-formatted the citation or not.
Thanks, but that doesn't really answer my questions.
It does tell me that being an article editor sounds terrifically tedious.
Being on the LR at all involves a good deal of tedium, regardless of what role you have. But it's something an academic is expected to have done. The future would-be practitioners will be guided towards moot court competition, and academics will be guided to the journals.
" that doesn’t really answer my questions."
Re-read the first sentence above.
It was:
The answer, of course, will turn out to be “it’s complicated.”
Who provides the funding to operate this particular academic journal? (At the school I went to, the law reviews were funded by fees paid by all law students at the university.)
If whoever's writing the checks wants a diversity quota, then why argue over whether the editorial policy calls for a diversity quota? I mean, it's not like they're using public funding for this, is it?