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How Should American Immigration Law Treat Foreign Analogs of American Adoption?
An interesting case involving Iranian law, which, following Islamic law, appears to use the language of guardianship .
American law generally, and American immigration law in particular, generally treats adopted children the same as biological children. In the process, American law necessarily has to consider foreign adoption law in deciding how to treat children adopted in foreign countries.
But of course figuring out what exactly constitutes adoption under foreign law can sometimes be difficult, especially if the foreign country has a different sort of legal system from ours (see, e.g., Kaho v. Ilchert (9th Cir. 1985), involving Tongan customary law). Afianian v. Wolf, decided in September by Judge Fernando M. Olguin (C.D. Cal.), illustrates this.
Zahra Afianian, a lawful permanent resident of the U.S., filed an immigration petition on behalf of Yasaman Yaghoot, as Afianian's adopted daughter. "Yaghoot's biological parents died when she was three-years old, and plaintiff is her maternal grandmother. After Yaghoot's parents died, her maternal grandparents, including plaintiff, and her paternal grandparents fought over her custody [in Iran], and plaintiff was ultimately granted guardianship."
Afianian claimed that the guardianship is the Iranian equivalent of adoption, but the Board of Immigration Appeals and the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services took the view that Iranian law, which incorporates Sharia law, doesn't recognize adoption. Afianian sued, "alleg[ing] that the Defendants' blanket policy of deeming invalid Petitions for Alien Relative under the adoption category where the parent-child relationship was formed in a Sharia law-influenced country is contrary to law and arbitrary and capricious." And the court agreed:
[I]t appears that the Board of Immigration Appeals ("BIA") (and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services …) relied on factors which Congress did not intend for it to consider, namely whether Iran applies Islamic law … [in finding] "… that adoption does not exist in Iran because the country's legal system is based on Sharia law, which only allows for guardianship" and explaining that "according to the Foreign Affairs Manual, 'Legal adoption for the purpose of immigration does not exist in foreign states that apply Islamic law in matters involving family status.'"
Also, remand is warranted because it does not appear that the BIA considered an important aspect of the problem—the actual parent-child relationship between plaintiff and Yaghoot as established by the Iranian courts' award of custody and guardianship to plaintiff. In other words, the BIA failed to consider Iran's civil laws regarding adoptions (custody and guardianship), and plaintiff's submission of the relevant civil code provisions.
I'm not an immigration law expert (by any means), but this makes sense to me.
There's a basic reality of human social and emotional life, regardless of the particular terminology that a legal system may use. Children are sometimes left without parents who can raise them, whether because of abandonment or death. Other adults often step in, especially when they are relatives, but of course not only then. And adults who raise children often end up having much the same emotional bonds with them as they would with their biological children.
The American immigration law provisions that let lawful permanent result adults bring in close family members stem from those close emotional bonds. Whatever labels or even conceptual frameworks Iranian law uses, if Iranian custody-and-guardianship proceedings are the way the Iranian legal system recognizes these human conditions, American law should be interpreted to treat such proceedings as adoption proceedings for American law purposes.
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I've got a better solution: Send everyone back to Iran and leave them there. Iran *was* a civilized, Western country -- let the Iranians clean up their own country.
I like having immigrants who had the ambition to find a better country. "Love it or leave it" so to speak. If they are happier here, and ambitious enough and strong enough to leave a lousy place to come here, great! Why should they be stuck in a place which hates them, which they hate, just because you don't like foreigners?
If they're bringing their Islam with them, they're not going to be a benefit to us. Amend the Constitution to prohibit the practice of Islam, and we make violating it punishable by death, and then we can talk.
The damn Irish and Italians are bringing their Romanism with them, they're not going to benefit us. Amend the Constitution to prohibit the practice of Catholicism, and we make it punishable by death, and then we can talk.
A lot of kids in America are raised by their grandparents when their parent(s) die, are incarcerated, or abandon them, without any type of adoption. They are legal guardians. Sounds like what happened here, and maybe the BIA will so find on remand. (I understand the reversal if it was a per se rule, which it sounds like.)
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Joe is going to let everybody in and give them citizenship as long as they are likely to vote for democrats, so "come on down".
Not to derail the thread, but does it occur to you that "they" would be less likely to vote Democrat if Republicans treated them like human beings? If you spend 50 years treating people like dirt, you shouldn't be surprised when they don't vote for you.
No, because the Democrats free stuff is always going to appeal to low IQ people with no skills.
Yes, don't plant any seeds for the future of kind behavior by the US or anything.
I think that's in one of the Psalms: Be ye a right proper bastard.
The Republicans, nominally Christians, could and should get ahead of this.
Social anthropologists have noted the decrease in Christianity in Europe maps to the state taking over more and more traditionally Christian concerns, like caring for the sick, elderly, poor, and orphans. They have co-opted what made Christianity so popular for growth, as written about literally by one of the first non-Biblical references to Christianity: their care for the sick without concern for themselves about disease.
For those studying giant memeplexes of religions and politics, the death slide of religion is well under way, as it's losing the advantages it has held for 2000 years over grubby kleptocracies, i.e. all governments. [And, sadly, the kleptocracies are full steam ahead.]
So why not turn over one more thing: kindness to freedom and children.
Excuse my ignorance but even under US law, how is "guardianship" legally different from "adoption"?
I thought the distinction was primarily one of permanence. If so, is the Iranian status equally permanent? That is, is this a real difference in legal statuses within the two systems or is this quibbling over language translation?
No, it's more than a quibble. Adoption means the adoptee is legally your child, as much as if he or she were your biological child. Guardianship merely means you have the authority to act on behalf of the person; it's more like a power of attorney. So the difference is your child versus someone you've merely been given authority to act for.
IANAL, and that still sounds like a distinction without a difference. What are the practical differences between adoption and guardianship? Can either be more easily undone? Are their legal differences once the kid becomes an adult? Is inheritance different?
There are huge practical differences. If I'm someone's guardian, that person has no rights beyond having me faithfully be his or her guardian. Unlike a child, who has all the rights of a child, including inheritance. Undoing an adoption requires a court order which is not lightly done, as many adoptive parents on the hook for child support have found out. Further, guardianships are for specific purposes -- the person is incapacitated, or a minor -- whereas adoption means you're family for all purposes.
There is no such thing as adoption in Jewish law, just like Islamic law.
That is not exactly accurate, ReaderY. But I will grant that adoption presents some halakhic issues.
"(and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services ("UCCIS"))'
Acronym should be USCIS.
Us Cis.
We're the gender we were born with.
Good point -- the typo, which I hadn't noticed, was in the court opinion, but I just edited that out to avoid confusion. Thanks for pointing it out!
I respectfully disagree with you, the court, and the BIA, although on the ultimate question, I do hope they find a way to properly adopt the child and have her live here with the same citizenship or residency status as her grandmother. We should respect the deep cultural and legal differences between the U.S. and other countries, and not assume that they have the same family institutions as we do under different names. In pure Shari'a, there is no adoption, only guardianship. The difference is fundamental: adoption changes your identity: whose child you are. The BIA, though, is wrong in saying Iran does not have legal adoption. It does, but it is very limited. So we should respect the way that traditional Islamic law and culture differs from ours, but we should also respect countries' civil laws that modify or modernize it. If the U.S. decides to treat guardianships from certain countries as if they were legal adoptions for all or some purposes, that is a policy choice for the legislative branch to make.
You are ignoring a fundamental point here, that the child was not allowed to enter, as the grandparents were only guardians, not the actual point.
So by "respecting their culture", we would be denying their ability to enter due to what is essentially a meaningless paperwork distinction.
Sounds right to me.
I think this world would be a lot saner if people would just think about their policies before implementing them.
Look at your restrictions. Ask yourself, "with these restrictions, who can sign for this kid?" If the answer is "No One", and that's not a reasonable solution, change it or grant an ad-hoc exception due to the nonsense elimination. There was no need to go to court on this at all.
A similar situation was reported here two years ago between Canada and Pakistan, that turns out to have been more complex than it initially seemed, including past protests from Pakistan that babies were being smuggled out of the country.
But the underlying issue remains and appears to be similar in both cases: The adopting countries want to ensure that the origin country recognizes essentially the same legal consequences of the adoption. That unanimity is one of the objectives of the Hague Convention, though that convention doesn't apply to either Iran or Pakistan as they are not "Contracting Parties", but the U.S. and Canada are parties and it is reasonable that they would think the principle important even when dealing with non-convention countries.
Countries whose laws are Sharia-inspired often permit guardianship but not full adoption because Islamic law doesn't permit the birth parent's rights to be extinguished or the recognition of an adoptive parent-child relationship equivalent to that with the birth parent. This can cause problems later if a birth parent resurfaces or if the child tries to inherit from the adoptive parents.
The mistake BIA may have made here was basing their determination on a "Sharia law" label instead of on actual Iranian law whatever its origin, but a proper consideration of the case may lead to the same ultimate result.
I think whoever should be looking beyond the legal system and into the relationship. The facts are a little thin.
For example has a parental bond actually been established, if the guardian is in the US and the child is in Iran how could that have happened? What is the age of the person, are they near adulthood and therefore able to care for themselves. In Iran does "guardianship and custody" carry with it the same responsibilities as an adoptive parent? Could this be cured by adopting the child in the US, many people have adopted children from foreign countries. I think the use of Islamic Law is in this case is descriptive and not religious and is intended to describe features of a legal system used by a number of countries. It is the nature of the relationship established by Iranian law whether secular or religious that is important.
The question to ask is how and to what extent is "guardianship and custody" treated differently from a natural child under the law.
The little I know of Shria laws give the head of the family, usually males, a great deal of authority over the family especially its female members but also requires a great deal of the the head of the family with respect to them. How is a grandmother treated differently?
The court seems to have rejected a *per se* rule claiming that countries with Sharia-based legal systems *never* grant adoptions (in the American-law sense).
The details of this particular case, as I understand it, remain to be litigated, but based on the facts of the case rather than on the per se rule which is now struck down.
Have I missed anything?
You know, I'm not sure it's worth engaging with someone halfwitted enough to think the Democrats are socialists. Have you seen who is in Joe Biden's cabinet? His treasury is being run by Wall Street corporatists; his foreign policy team is all hawks. He's only moderately more liberal than you are.
That aside, immigrants do well here because the ones who actually make it are the ones who are highly motivated to succeed. Check the statistics if you don't believe me. And a lot of those third world countries they left are run by gangs of thugs, so you can't really blame the citizenry for the government they have.
The point still is, if you treat people like dirt, they're not going to vote for you.
Actually, death for those practicing Islam is the mirror image of radical Muslims demanding death for people they consider apostates. Aktenberg has far more in common with radical Islam than he realizes.
If I recall correctly, Muslims currently make up about 2% of the US population. So it would take considerably more than a generation or two to reach critical mass to wield any real political power here.
I lived in the Middle East for three years. I yield to no one in my hostility toward radical Islam. But the solution to that problem is to have an insurmountable wall of separation between church and state, something neither fundamentalist Christians nor fundamentalist Muslims is all that keen on. At the moment, the danger of eroding that wall is coming from Christians more than Muslims, but that may not always be the case.
Decadent hedonism and insipid consumerism are not without their problems, but if they aren't your thing, you aren't required to participate. There are lots of Westerners who don't. But I fail to see why it's anyone else's business for those who do choose to live that way.
when they see the decadent hedonism and insipid consumerism of the West, they then try to impose Sharia on where they moved too. I can hardly blame them.
Good lord.
You're confusing socialism with crony capitalism. And while the two do have some similarities, they are very different. Actual socialists hate the Democrats even more intensely than you do.
Those millions of unemployed Americans were largely unemployed thanks to free trade, globalism and capitalist excesses. Please note, I'm far closer to being a capitalist than I am to being anything else, but it's not without its problems, and trying to make it work better for everyone -- the ones at the bottom as well as the ones at the top -- isn't socialism.
Yes, it would be nice if people could stay where they are, but the reality is that lots of places in the world are run by fairly awful people, and there isn't a lot their citizens can do about it. Should of going to war and making regime change, there's not much we can do about it either. I'm not inclined in the interim to turn away desperate people.
You're a Christian. Have you recently read the last half of Matthew 25? When the nations are judged -- Matthew 25 explicitly talks about God judging nations -- one of the things that gets the goats sent to hell is that "I was a stranger and you did not take me in."
Take it up with Thomas Nast. Arguing that no, THIS bigotry is legit doesn't make you less of a bigot.
I'm talking about what "wall of separation" should mean, not what it's come to mean. If religion is not permitted to make government policy, then people can have whatever religious beliefs they like. To me, as an unbeliever, this is basically an internal dispute among theists anyway; one set of imaginary friends looks like another to me.
I am personally fine with living in a country in which gays can marry but nobody is required to bake them a cake. However, if that's not an option, how is that any different from any other governmental regulation a business owner might find objectionable? If you run a day care, you are not allowed to serve the children raw milk, and Seventh Day Adventist day cares have locked horns with the government over that issue. At some point we either have laws or we don't.
No, my Lord is not such a busybody.
Crappy parallels, since Islam is much more various than the various orthodox Christian sects.
Islam is not trying to electorally take over; they're not unified like that. It's not like American Muslims are all Wahhabis.
Also, both of your scenarios are legal and indeed part of how our federated system is intended to work.
Here's the problem with your theory: Atheism defines me by what I don't believe rather than what I do believe. A Soviet Union run by libertarian atheists would have looked a whole lot different than the Soviet Union that was run by communist atheists. And the difference would have been in the communist vs. libertarian dynamic, not the fact that both were atheists. And while it's true I don't believe in God, I also don't believe in palm reading or astrology, but nobody seriously thinks I should be defined by that.
Atheists are all over the map politically and socially. You talk as if we're a monolith and we're not. And my ideas about what is good policy rise or fall on whether I think they're good policy, not on whether I think there is or isn't a God in the picture.
So let's go back to your baker. I personally don't think anti-gay discrimination is the problem it once was, so I'm not as inclined to force him to bake a cake. But, if you accept the premise behind anti-discrimination laws -- that discrimination is enough of a problem to require a state solution -- then how does it make sense to give exemptions to the people whose religious beliefs are primarily responsible for creating the problem in the first place? And again, that has nothing to do with whether God does or does not exist; or, if he does exist, what his views of homosexuality may be. Rather, it's the recognition that shutting certain groups out of the economy -- which really did used to happen, which is why we have anti-discrimination laws in the first place -- is bad for the rest of us too.
Sorry, I'm not seeing the relevance of Romans 1 to immigration.
As I said, I'm more of a capitalist than anything else, but I do see a need for a safety net, a need for regulation to keep the big guys from running roughshod over the little guys, and a need to keep the worst human instincts in check. And I think you over-estimate the willingness of native born Americans to do a lot of the jobs that immigrants do. But there's ample research the immigrants are good for the economy. They mostly are employed, they pay taxes, they spend money, and overall they have low crime rates. And to the extent that they create cheap labor, so do crony capitalists when they simply move their factories to Mexico in the first place.
I think there are other ways to take care of Americans than to shut down immigration.
You're conflating 2 things.
1) An elite hegemon being toppled by the vox populi, both immigrants and others.
2) An out of country group coming in and block voting themselves into a hegemony.
Immigration in the 1800s was the first, all your scenarios are the second.
I'm not concerned Islam is going to become the vox populi. And I also don't think Islam is monolithic enough to vote themselves a hegemony.
Maryland's anti-Catholic bigotry back in the day does not justify your anti-Islam bigotry now. They were wrong then, and you are wrong now.
I do not have structural concerns about people voting wrong and 'taking over' in our democracy, no. That's a concern of an aristocrats; we get the government we deserve, good and hard.
Unitarians believe in an objective morality, we're just not so prideful as to think we have such special insight as to what it is that we should seize the machinery of Caesar and use it to render everyone unto Jesus.
Yeah, and then their kids end up being high crime, low functioning people without the hard work ethic but with all of the demands for free stuff.