Ohio Gov. Signs Repeal of Duty to Retreat: 36 States Now Stand-Your-Ground, only 14 Duty-to-Retreat

See this post from two weeks ago for more on the breakdown among the states, and for an explanation of exactly what's involved in this question (and what isn't).

Comments

[KevinP]

Excellent!

[WJack]

For sure!

[Cal Cetín]

Now if only they can repeal the duty to re*tweet,* they can clean up the Internet as well.

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

It's twu! It's twu!

[santamonica811]

Madam; this might be what you intended, but you're sucking on my arm.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

Will a shoot-'em-up law help Ohio address its slide into a desolate, Appalachian, poorly educated, opioid- and meth-soaked backwater?

[Sigivald]

Shoot-'em'-up law!

Yes, an accurate summary of what it actually means and not at all proof you have no idea what you're talking about, as always.

Never change, Kirkland.

Not that you can.

[The original jack burton]

You can only expect an NPC to do what is it programmed to do.

[Brett Bellmore]

Kirkland probably thinks the streets of Florida ran with blood, too. You can't expect him to actually respond to empirical evidence if it means admitting his 'inferiors' were right about something.

[DonP]

We got that phony "The streets will run red with blood!" prediction from the Mass Media and the elites with bodyguards in every state that legalized Concealed Carry. Of course, it never happened. Turned out CCW permit holders were actually way less likely to commit any crimes, let alone crimes involving a gun, than the average citizen.

By the time Illinois finally legalized it in 2013 even the gun grabbers knew it was utter BS. Little Artie Kirkland never got the memo that the talking points were changed. I guess that's what happens when you live in Mom's basement and only watch CNN.

To quote that great philosopher, Red Forman re: the "Rev"; "Dumbass!"

[Hank Ferrous]

Bigots got to bigot. With nobody to look down on, Kirkland is nobody.

[KevinP]

Tolerant and inclusive Progressive alert!

[Dr. Ed 2]

Kirkland, I don't like being this heartless, but a dead druggie isn't going to be invading anyone else's home nor getting anyone else addicted.

[Dilan Esper]

So Ohio is retreating on the duty to retreat, but 14 other states are standing their ground on it?

[santamonica811]

Ha. Ironic grammar humor!!! 😉

[KevinP]

Lol. Nicely done.

[Commenter_XY]

Classic....well done.

[DaivdBehar]

Law abiding adult citizens should all conceal carry. There should be a duty to kill. If one fails to pull the weapon and try to shoot the violent criminal on the spot, there should be a $100 fine.

[Dr. Ed 2]

NO. You don't fire a round unless you are sure that you aren't going to hit someone else...

[MatthewSlyfield]

Why should ordinary people have to operate under infinitely stricter rules of engagement than the police?

The police are supposed to be trained professionals if anything, they should have the strictest rules on use of force.

[Noscitur a sociis]

As you might have surmised from the fact that Dr. Ed said it, that is not in fact a legal requirement anywhere (though certainly a good idea as a rule).

[DaivdBehar]

We have driver's ed in high school. People should undergo violent criminal killing training in high school. People passing that course should have immunity for any mishap.

There is only one feature that is found in all low crime areas. Some are rich, some poor, some religious, some secular. Some have big government, some small. Some are white, some are black, such as in Ghana. Some have the rule of law, some are like the Wild West. Some are urban, some rural. Some have high bastardy rates, some low.

The sole feature of all low crime areas: public self help. The criminal fears the neighbors more than they fear the police.

There are 15 million common law crimes, and a billion internet crimes. The average bank robbery nets $4000, is dangerous, and a lot of work. The average identity theft nets $5000 and is virtually immune, and very easy. Government prosecutes 10% of these, including the violent crimes. When they have a guy, 20% of the time, it is the wrong guy. Then the lawyer forces an innocent defendant to accept a plea. Crime is way beyond the ability of the lawyer profession to control. That function must be taken away from this the most worthless and toxic occupation in the nation.

[grb]

Let’s compare states, using DavidBehar’s standard of a public self help community, where the "criminal fears the neighbors more than the police,”

Murders per 100,000 inhabitants (2017) :

1. Alaska : 8.6
2. Massachusetts : 2.5
3. Oklahoma : 6.2
4. Hawaii : 2.7
5. Alabama : 8.6

Yep, those Massachusetts neighbors are a holy terror !!!

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

If you really want to rile Conspiracy-class clingers, publish the list of states by educational attainment. For more fun, publish it alongside 'states by percentage of registered Republicans.'

[grb]

So how does DavidBehar’s narrative work with U.S. cities?
Here are some numbers :

Violent crime per 100,000 inhabitants :
1. New York City : 333
2. Houston : 593
3. San Antonio : 524
4. Indianapolis : 694.5
5. Jacksonville : 481

Murder per 100,000 inhabitants :
1. New York City : 2.8
2. Houston : 6.4
3. San Antonio : 6.4
4. Indianapolis : 8.3
5. Jacksonville : 8.2

Robbery per 100,000 inhabitants :
1. New York City : 107.5
2. Houston : 205.2
3. San Antonio : 107.4
4. Indianapolis : 194.6
5. Jacksonville : 106.3

It's up to YOU , New York.....
(poster child for DavidBehar’s public self help community)

[Life of Brian]

Here are some numbers

Well put. Back to the grindstone, kid -- those cherries won't pick themselves!

[DaivdBehar]

GRB: Your claim is blatantly racist. Your high crime areas are majority people of color. You need to apologize for your mean spirited, racist propaganda.

New York statistics are after the police are forced to throw crime reports in the trash. Crime rates in NY are 10 times higher. Go stand on a subway platform. Report how relaxed you feel. Don't worry about being pushed onto the track by a lawyer protected mental patient.

In all those high crime areas, the victims are vigorously prosecuted for lawfully defending themselves. The thugs are lionized as victims and heros. Only juries are protecting victims who fight back, after ruinous prosecutions. Lawyer protected riots break out if the police so much as criticizes the criminal. You can't say, boo, to a vicious thug. You are making my point. All are pro-criminal Democrat jurisdictions. The Democrat Party is the party of the pro-criminal lawyer.

[Aktenberg78]

Liberals hate stand your ground and concealed carry because they want violent blacks to be able to have free reign to terrorize law abiding whites.

[Ben_]

Do the talking points still say this will lead to huge problems instead of a few folks not prosecuted for defending themselves? Or did the storytellers and doomsayers finally give up on this?