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Cancelling Chief Justice White
New Orleans Supreme Court removes statue of first Louisianan on U.S. Supreme Court.
Most people have never heard of Chief Justice Edward Douglass White. In 1894, President Cleveland appointed him to the Supreme Court, where he served as an Associate Justice until 1910. And, after Chief Justice Fuller's death, President Taft nominated White as Chief Justice in 1910. (Justice Harlan was quite miffed that he was passed over). White would serve as Chief until 1921 when he was replaced by, fittingly, Chief Justice Taft.
The Louisiana Supreme Court has long featured a prominent statue of Chief Justice White. If you walk through the French Quarter, you can't miss it. Well, it did at least. Now, the Court has removed the statue.
Why? Well, the Court would not say, exactly.
The exact reason for its removal — whether the justice's ties to White supremacy, official concern that the statue would be vandalized or something else — was not stated by the court.
"After consultation with the [Louisiana] commissioner of administration and discussions among the Louisiana Supreme Court justices, it was unanimously decided that the statue should be relocated to the interior of the courthouse near the court museum," said Robert Gunn, a spokesman for the court.
Earlier in his career, White served in the confederate army, and participated in a white supremacist uprising. And, of course, White joined the majority opinion in Plessy:
White, a Louisiana native who died in 1921, fought as a teenager for the South in the Civil War and afterward took part in the Battle of Liberty Place, an armed White supremacist uprising that in 1874 briefly wrested control of New Orleans from the Reconstruction-era government. His tenure on the U.S. Supreme Court, from 1894 until his death, saw him vote in the majority in Plessy v. Ferguson and several other infamous decisions upholding Jim Crow racial segregation and stripping Black Americans of civil rights.
These cancellation will not stop with Chief Justice White.
See my previous posts on cancelling John Marshall, Melville Fuller, James Birney, Robert Jackson, John Marshall again, Dianne Feinstein, all slavery-related decisions, and white judges in Fairfax County, Virginia.
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It's a shame the editors of this blog don't do something similar with Professor Blackman's posts.
You could always just not read them.
Far too many in this country are convinced that simply ignoring voices with whom they disagree is not a viable option, and that those voices must instead be silenced.
I think more people should be exposed to unvarnished conservative opinion, including the old-timey stylings of Josh Blackman.
Mostly because I want to see the stomping of the conservatives by the liberal-libertarian mainstream in our culture war continue for another few generations.
I love disagreeable opinions, that's why I visit this blog. Blackman's articles have become increasingly bait-y and stupid and to whatever extent they track opinions actually held by intelligent minds in the legal world seems to be on the wane.
I visit blogs like Balkinization and Crooked Timber to the same end.
The difference is that the comments here aren't censored in order to create an ideological monoculture. At most leftwing blogs they are.
In fact there's an interesting and infuriating discussion of censorship going on over at Balkinization right now. Infuriating because they pretend they aren't discussing censorship...
Right and you get some pretty disgusting comments here like David Behar openly expressing vulgar anti-semitism. You win some, you lose some.
Let alone a lot of other nonsense conspiracies. So this place might not be moderated, but it's got something like a fungus growing within it.
I don't. My comment wasn't premised on the fact that I do.
Taney’s statue was removed in Baltimore. Taney was a Jacksonian so like most prominent Jacksonians he didn’t join the CSA and actually wanted to perpetuate the Union. So the instigating event that led to the Civil War was the K-N Act of 1854 and so Dred Scott was actually an attempt to placate all sides but of course it just fanned the flames even more.
So who was more involved in racism before he joined the Court, Chief Justice White or Justice Black?
Since White engaged in treason in order to perpetuate slavery, and, after the defeat of the Confederacy, joined in an illegal "uprising" to terrorize newly freed black citizens from exercising their constitutional rights, I'd say "White".
Was "White Supremacy" named after Justice White?
[joke]
We all know what is coming soon enough...
No, we don't. Why not lay it out for us?
Even more American progress being effected against the works and dreams of our vestigial clingers?
Of course it is The Grand Reset. Build Back Better.
When will you give up on your violent yet lazy fantasy? When will you realize you're assessment of America is fundamentally off kilter?
Or is this one of those prophecies is always one year away things?
This is what your fellow leftists are talking about. Are you getting confused?
Great reset talk seems to come mostly from the right.
Wherever you're getting your barometer of the left, if it's real, you chose it because it validates all your worst impulses, not for it's insight into progressive thinking.
Yeah those alt-right UN initiatives are really big among that side of the political aisle....
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
Somebody has been paying attention at the meetings of the secret Jewish cabal!
Without regard to the substance of this post, does anyone have a good book going through the 1827 Louisiana Governor’s race? The Battle of Liberty Place and the events leading up to it sound interesting.
I haven't read this one, but I found it through Worldcat:
https://amzn.to/2WIlyoz
If I recall correctly, Justice White was also anti-Catholic. While he was chief justice, he complained that Georgetown University which is only about four miles from the capitol, had a cannon on its grounds pointing eastward. Clearly a threat to the Republic.
Uh, Justice White *was* Catholic. (The big Knights of Columbus council in Arlington, Virginia, is Edward Douglass White Council #2473.)
"(The big Knights of Columbus council in Arlington, Virginia, is Edward Douglass White Council #2473.)"
"Did we say Edward Douglass White? We meant Frederick Douglas!"
Oops. I just checked. Apparently E.D.W. Council joined the damnatio memoriae by changing its name to Arlington Council in August of this year.
"New Orleans Supreme Court removes statue of first Louisiana on U.S. Supreme Court."
Who knew? A state served on the Supreme Court! And, apparently, there's been more than one state of Louisiana.
Next up: Oliver Wendell Holmes, for his now-unfashionable eugenics opinion (Buck v. Bell) and his Giles v. Harris disenfranchisement opinion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_v._Harris
Being opposed to historical people that supported eugenics is presentism. Watch a WW1 movie if you want see how much life was valued at the beginning on the 20th century.
"Being opposed to historical people that supported eugenics is presentism."
What does this mean?
I am sorry, but given the state of the legal profession in this nation, and yes I am talking to you Rudy, Sidney etc, who exactly cares if a statue of a hithertoo unknown Justice is removed from its obscure and un-noticed location.
Let's build a statue of Giuliani in Central Park just to give people the pleasure of tearing it down.
Include me in
On the one hand, he was a traitor to our country. On the other hand, he was a fairly undistinguished Justice.
Maybe we should ask why there is any statue of him at all. Being Chief Justice does not entitle one to a statue, any more than being president entitles one to have an airport named after him.
"Maybe we should ask why there is any statue of him at all. "
Because the political and ideological ancestors of today's conservatives wanted to display as many tributes to bigots as they could arrange.
I actually think there's no choice but to remove all statues from the public square, and I hope the motivation was to protect it. Social justice mobs are highly unpredictable in what they'll destroy, once these are destroyed they can't be replaced, and the police will just sit and watch the mob pillage. We may some day grow back into a society that can have public art but, until then, keep the stuff safe in the archives of a museum, otherwise there will be nothing left by the time the current national temper tantrum is over.
Perhaps what you meant to say is that we should remove from the public square all statues of racists, seditionists, and those who took up arms against the United States. In that case, I agree with you.
If you look hard enough you find a "sin" in every public figure
Protestors destroyed a statue of Ulysses Grant. If a former POTUS who was also the Commanding General of the US Army during the Civil War isn't pure enough for the glorious revolution, then who is? And this isn't an isolated example, the initial mission statement of "everybody who fought for the Confederacy" has long since been lapped to "anybody not pure enough for the glorious revolution," a bar nobody will ever meet. Vandals styling themselves as protestors will burn this entire country to ash if we let them, so far we don't seem terribly interested in stopping them.
Let me see if I understand you. Because "[p]rotestors destroyed a statue of Ulysses Grant," statues of racists, seditionists, and those who took up arms against the United States should remain in place. Is that your position?
Destroying all historical memorials because the passions of the moment have swung against them is idiotic.
I mean, eugenics and segregation are coming back into fashion - they might want to keep those statues around!
No. To the extent a statue should be removed, it should be decided by the democratically elected local government, not the mob. To the extent statues are left in the public square, then there is a non-trivial risk that "protestors" will destroy them, because "protestors" exist only to destroy. To the extent we want to preserve public art, then we have no choice to lock it in a safe place until we've solved our "protestor" problem, because at present police forces aren't trained to stop mobs who decide to destroy public art.
And, by the way, to the extent we want to remove a statue from public display, it is still a subject of legitimate historical inquiry. Perhaps we should put it in on display in a museum-- or even in the archives of a museum-- rather than allowing the mob to smash it.
Unfortunately, your argument falls apart when you say things like "'protestors' exist only to destroy."
Nothing new here--damnatio memoriae was standard practice in the Roman empire. See https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/ancient-art-civilizations/roman/beginners-guide-rome/a/damnatio-memoriaeroman-sanctions-against-memory
Removing statues to already unknowns is not the same thing.
Ordinarily I'd say a good dividing line is whether their accomplishments outweighed their bad deeds. Even for an obscure person maybe their obscure good deeds had more of an effect than their obscure bad ones. You remove everybody who has ever done something bad you end up with nobody or just some affirmative action heroes that really didn't accomplish much as we see in some of the replacements that are mainly famous for black, transsexual etc.
In this case however, all their doing is emboldening a mob of crazies so if the government was actually competent, they wouldn't be giving in at all. Even if some of these people were supposedly bad.
Stand aside, clinger, and let the adults continue to handle this (American progress).
Amos pretty nakedly here saying that he'd be for it, but wants to own the libs.
Not a great mindset to be so obsessed with the other side's feelings. Pretty sad, actually.
My line I think is whether what they gained the statue for is either their bad deeds, or so well tied-up in their bad deeds that they can't be separated. This handily covers all the civil war cases, and also I think E.D. White. He rose to prominence on the basis of those previous acts of fighting for the traitors in support of secession, the Battle of Liberty Place, and so forth.
Next thing you know, they'll "erase" him from page 14 of the children's coloring book: https://www.lasc.org/community_outreach/documents/kids_coloring_book.pdf
Dave,
Reminds me of the year when I gave out the Ted Cruz coloring book as (gag?) gifts. Well, stocking-stuffers, really.
https://smile.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1619530953/reasonmagazinea-20/
"Earlier in his career, White served in the confederate army, and participated in a white supremacist uprising. And, of course, White joined the majority opinion in Plessy:"
Prof. Blackman is sad this evening, regretting that he never had the chance to work with Edward Douglass White. The bigots Prof. Blackman gets to work with are mostly pale imitations of a guy like White.
You realize that was a quote from the article linked in the post.
It omitted that Justice White authored the opinion that "Grandfather Clauses" were unconstitutional, also in the same article.
And whites continue their march to the showers.
Let's not forget to cancel FDR, who sent tens of thousands of Americans to camps.
Yes, please. Take down any FDR statues. Along with those for any other politician.
And put an end to presidential libraries.
Can't wait until a mob rips down an MLK Blvd sign or something similar. Let's see what the libs do then.
Presumably the same thing as what they did when racist mobs went after MLK when he was alive...
I can’t think of a reason why a libertarian should object to ending the ostentatious official veneration of this or any other government employee.
I find it impossible to mourn the removal of a statue of a racist, proslavery traitor.
I do find it sad that some people want to celebrate such individuals. The scandal is that he was a judge and a Justice at all. He belonged in prison.
Let's stop erecting statues and naming things after government officials. No statues of Trump. None of Biden. Repurpose the Jefferson Memorial into something useful. Library? Concert hall? Museum? Don't name it after anyone.
Nonsense, hold an auction and whoever donates the most, name it after that guy.
Doesn't solve the problem when the donor is a drug kingpin, or worse a politician.
Then name it after the donor's favorite sled. Must I think of everything?