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Man Wins Suit vs. Parents Who Threw Away His Porn Collection (or, How Pornography Is Like Wine)
The interesting legal issue is whether the parents converted his property "for [their] own use," thus entitling him to three times the actual damages under Michigan law.
This case has been in the news, because of a decision last month by Judge Paul L. Maloney (W.D. Mich.) granting the plaintiff summary judgment (Werking v. Werking); but the more interesting legal analysis can be seen in a decision from last year, denying defendants' motion to dismiss and for summary judgment:
David Werking moved into his parents' home in Michigan on October 5, 2016 [after he and his wife got divorced]. He moved out on August 23, 2017, leaving some of his possessions in the basement. Those possessions included a trove of pornography and an array of sex toys.
In November, Plaintiff requested that his parents return his property, and they did so—in part—on December 16, 2017. The pornography and sex toys were not among the possessions returned to David. Instead, the Defendants stated that "the items were destroyed."
In the months that followed, David and Paul discussed what happened via email. On January 1, 2018, Paul wrote in one such email: "I do not possess your pornography. It is gone. It has been either destroyed or disposed of. I may well have missed a few items that are now in your possession, but at this point, if you don't have it, it is gone. Ditto for your sex toys and smutty magazines."
Paul added, "Frankly, David, I did you a big favor by getting rid of all this stuff for you." A few months later, after local police became involved, Paul wrote another email, explaining why he had destroyed the porn: "Believe it or not, one reason why I destroyed your porn was for your own mental and emotional health." …
Plaintiff filed suit in this Court, claiming that the value of his destroyed property was $25,557.89. He proceeds with a single-count complaint, raising statutory conversion under Michigan law. To prevail on his claim, David must establish that the Defendants converted his property "for [their] own use." See Aroma Wines & Equip, Inc. v. Columbian Distribution Services, Inc. (Mich. 2015). If he prevails on the elements, the statute allows for the recovery of treble damages. See M.C.L. § 600.2919(a).
It is only the potentiality of treble damages that gets David before this Court…. [F]ederal courts have original jurisdiction over civil actions where the amount in controversy exceeds $75,000 and the matter is between citizens of different states. {David pleads diversity of citizenship by declaring that he is a citizen of Indiana, while his parents are citizens of Michigan.} … David has satisfied the amount in controversy for purposes of Section 1332, because, if successful, he could recover more than $75,000 based on his valuation of $25,557.89 for his destroyed possessions….
Getting to the heart of the coconut now, the legal issue before the Court is whether Paul and Beth converted David's pornography "to their own use" by destroying it. The issue is easily resolved by reference to Aroma Wines.
There, the Michigan Supreme Court applied the statutory conversion statute to a set of facts involving a wholesale wine importer and warehouse operator. The wine importer, Aroma Wines, agreed to rent climate-controlled warehouse space from the Columbian Distribution Services to store some of its wine. When Aroma fell behind on its monthly payments, Columbian moved the wine from its climate-controlled warehouse to an uncontrolled environment, which resulted in the spoliation of much of the wine. While the parties disputed Columbian's motive for moving the wine, Aroma filed suit raising, among other claims, statutory conversion.
At trial, Columbian moved for a directed verdict on the statutory conversion claim, arguing that there had been no evidence to support a claim that Columbian had converted Aroma's wine to its own use. The trial court agreed, concluding that to "use" the wine, "one would have to drink [the wine] or perhaps sell it[.]" …
[On appellate review, t]he Michigan Supreme Court … concluded that the history of common-law conversion and the language of M.C.L. 600.2919a(1)(a) led to a conclusion that the Legislature intended to limit claims "to a subset of common-law conversions in which the common-law conversion was to the other person's "own use." It then proceeded to define what "own use" meant within the context of the statute, which, after some linguistic analysis, the Court read to mean "that the defendant employed the converted property for some purpose personal to the defendant's interests, even if that purpose is not the object's ordinarily intended purpose." …
[The Court] relied upon Kreiter v. Nichols, a venerable [1874] Michigan Supreme Court opinion, explaining that "conversion to someone's own use need not be geared toward the intended purpose of the converted property and held that a converter of beer was liable regardless of whether he or she "destroyed [it] from a belief in its deleterious effects, or made way with [it] in carousals or private drinking." In other words, even destroying property could be an "own use."
Finally, the court applied its definition to the case Aroma had presented at trial to assess whether evidence had been presented to conclude that "Columbian converted Aroma's wine to its 'own use,' that is, for some purpose personal to Columbian." It concluded that there was enough evidence …. "[I]f a jury believed the evidence showing that defendant moved plaintiff's wine for its own purposes—whether it be to sell the space to other customers or complete a construction project—or that it used the wine as leverage against plaintiff, it could have determined that defendant converted the wine to its own use."
In sum then, the lesson of Aroma Wines is that "own use" is to be broadly construed to mean any purpose personal to the defendant, which in that case included: (1) moving the wine to undertake an expansion project; (2) moving the wine to sell the space to other customers; or (3) simply using the wine as leverage against Aroma for its unpaid bills.
Now, applying the lesson to this case is as simple as substituting David for Aroma Wines and Paul and Beth for Columbian and changing the subject matter from wine to pornography. Paul's emails to David, which are attached to the First Amended Complaint, make clear that he and Beth were motivated to destroy the pornography "from a belief in its deleterious effects." Paul could not have been clearer on this point; he told David that he was motivated to destroy the pornography out of concern for David's mental and emotional health.
Thus, as was explained in Kreitner and reaffirmed in Aroma Wines, even the destruction of property can be for one's "own use," so long as the person acts upon some personal motivation. David has accordingly pleaded a plausible claim for relief on his statutory conversion claim because he has alleged that his parents were motivated to destroy the pornography because of his deleterious effects on his mental and emotional health, so the motions to dismiss will be denied….
Damages remain to be resolved, and my sense is that it will be hard for David to show that, in this day and age, a porn and sex toy collection is worth $25,000. But even if the recovery thus ends up being less than $75,000, that won't leave the federal court without jurisdiction, which is generally determined based on the plaintiff's up-front allegations, and not retroactively based on the final judgment.
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So when would conversion not be for the converter's "own use?"
Presumably if they just sell the stuff to make some money.
How would that fall outside the definition?
Good question.
We did you a favor but now we're going to fight about money. Because doing you a favor that costs you is one thing, but doing you a favor that costs us is an entirely different matter. Paternalism only goes so far I guess.
Making choices for others at their expense is not a virtue.
And this is why we need lawyers?
So his mom threw away his best porno mag?
Busted!
One lonely Beastie he be
Suing parents over a stash of pornography and sex toys doesn't seem like a good idea.
Did the parents charge this guy rent when he needed a place to stay after his divorce? I bet they didn't. Why? Because family relations are typically not business relations.
Yeah, the parents shouldn't have destroyed the porn collection. But suing over it? That sounds like a formula for permanent alienation.
It may not be wonderful for family relations, but if the parents agreed that he could stay rent free, and that they would store his belongings, there's no doubt what they did here was tortious.
Exactly!
You'd think they're be some sort of assumption of risk argument here. I mean, talk about forseeable.
The foreseeability that someone will steal your stuff isn't really relevant. And assumption of risk (which has been folded into duty and comparative negligence in most jurisdictions anyway) doesn't apply to intentional torts.
I think 12 was making a joke. It is sorta funny that we have to assume that our folks will throw out our stuff . . . albeit that in this case it was done with the deliberate intent to get rid of harmful materials, rather than the usual reason of "We had no idea those [fill in the blank] were so important to you."
Yes, it was a joke. Although I agree with Welker. Even if tortious, if your parents destroy your porn collection, you take the L and write it off as the cost of 18+ years of room and board.
It appears they were already alienated. The son left the house after some sort of incident which lead him to phone the police. The police suggested he leave his parents house and he did.
The suit won't reduce the tensions between the son and parents but it may not actually make them any worse.
It may well be that everyone in this family is difficult to get along with.
A loser living in his parents' basement with a huge collection of porn? Must be a Democrat Party voter.
Or perhaps a Baptist preacher.
Does this platform support italics?
No, only Greeks and Russians.
Werking v. Werking? That shows that it's a collection of vintage porn. If it were contemporary porn, the case would be Twerking v. Twerking.
Or Wanking v. Wanking
"Werking" is a combination of wanking and jerking, obviously.
One of the symptoms of the intrusion of interstate commercial concepts on family relationships is that a federal court would look to a case involving purely commercial a tors to decide a family matter, with no regard for fhe fact that it is a family matter.
One wonder why he got divorced. Or does one have to?
ReaderY: The conversion tort generally applies without regard to whether the parties have a personal relationship or a business relationship. (Legally speaking, an adult parent and an adult child are generally treated like any other two parties, rather than under some special rules governing family relationships.)
President Trump is reported to be musing about martial law while questioning those who blame Russia for a severe cyberattack, while elected Republicans discuss invoking the Insurrection Act because clingers faltered again in a national election, and Professor Volokh is writing about . . . . this.
Still wondering why conservatives are fringe players on strong law school faculties?
Apparently the mere mention of porn wakes up the Rev, but he then has to verge off-topic to avoid the hard decisions.
It is not hard to determine that certain Conspirators have for several years been conspicuously silent with respect to prominent legal issues -- or vividly inclined to divert attention from those issues -- in a manner that appeases especially objectionable elements of the Republican-conservative coalition.
#ConservativeCowardice
He doesn't have any hard decisions, because he can't get it up.
Democrats are cheaters. That is the only way they can win an election. They went national with their California act, seeking to turn our nation into a permanent one party state.
Cheaters should not be calling anyone clingers.
You know, fair market value is what people will pay for stuff, and some of the older "classic" porn is worth more than you might think. For example, the 1984 Penthouse magazine that cost Vanessa Williams her Miss America title.
I never cease to be amazed at what some people will pay for things...
This kind of case should be a against public policy, porn has no value, its a net negative to society.
One man's profanity is another man's lyric, and one man's porn stash is another man's art collection.
Yeah. This guy understood that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaHDBL7dVgs
"porn has no value, its a net negative to society."
Unlike hate speech, I guess.
"hate" speech is too subjective. No agreed upon definition either.
Plaintiff here asserts it is "porn" so we do not have to determine if it is in fact "porn".
Porn is a billion dollar industry.
Ok, Bob, biden's about to be president, must be time for you to request giving him the power to limit speech and the press.
Private lawsuit. What does Ole Joe have to do with it?
Courts often decline to enforce contracts on public policy grounds, not a new theory.
Bob from Ohio: There are lots of legal products that some people find socially harmful -- porn, sex toys, video games, alcohol, very fast cars, guns, etc. Courts are generally reluctant to classify such products based on their own judgment of what's good for society and what's bad; and that's especially so when possession of the products is itself constitutionally protected (which is the case for a good deal of porn).
Can you point us to any really relevant precedents supporting the legal rule you propose? Or are you just making it up, based on your own judgment of what you'd do if you were King?
Professor
No, I do not have any case law on this specific issue.
But we decline to enforce other things on public policy grounds. Foreign libel judgments if they don't comply with our actual malice case law. Ohio will not enforce non compete agreements involving lawyers. Contracts for criminal acts are not enforceable. Gambling contracts. Discriminatory bequests in wills.
This guy wants to view a lot of porn, icky but legal. He just should not be able to sue for conversion when his parents discover his "collection".
Professor EV: What about bump stocks?
They had a real value ($200/$300 I believe) and were confiscated without compensation, at least in Massachusetts.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/massachusetts-bump-stock-ban/index.html
Why were his parents such dicks? He has a firm case. In addition, his parents have erected only a limp defense. Therefore, it won't be hard for a court to rule for the kid. The climax of the case should come after the parents' teste-mony. I'd like to be a member of that jury.
also: penis penis penis
Your argument seems a bit half cocked.
Bravo!
A hung jury, one supposes.
Sounds like they both behaved badly. This whole lawsuit is a stain on the name of Werking.
I'm quite disappointed in myself, to have overlooked half-cocked and hung jury. The comments were funnier than my original (sophomoric) post. 🙂
Nay, you were an inspiration that was hard to beat.
[face-palm]
"face-palm"
You're doing it wrong.
Was there any legal analysis from CNN on this case?
heh
CNN experts were said to have the matter well in hand
heh, heh.
Jeffrey Tobin is in talks to contract out legal commentary on this very subject as we speak...
Betcha the Dad is wishing he consumed a little more porn several years ago.
Hm. If I have someone live as a guest at my house, the rule is "my house my rules" and if that is not ok then just don't move in. That is true for both minor and adult relations.
Now having said that, it is not reasonable to make a rule that "your property that you bring with you is mine to do with what I please." Assuming that said property was not illegal or dangerous or otherwise noxious only a domineering asshole would make a rule like that.
I don't really see this is a legal problem. Instead I see a family of assholes and that is the problem. The parents are assholes for throwing out their son's property (without even any notice) and the son is an asshole for suing his parents for being assholes. You don't sue your parents for that. You owe your parents everything even if they do you wrong sometimes.
I find it sad that a son shamelessly brings a suit against his parents in federal court for the destruction of his pornography.
Mark,
Is your point that it should have been brought in state court? Or that the case should not have been filed at all? (In which case, I'm surprised that you specified federal court in your post.)
No snark; a genuine question.
So wait. I could have sued my mother for throwing out my baseball cards?
For me, it was a crapload of comic books, including about 50 first issues. List value was about $2,000 at the time (1979), and I have deliberately never again tried to assess my collection's value.
I think it has happened to so many boys that it's practically a rite of passage. Moral: Never leave home to attend college, cuz all your cool stuff is gone, come first garbage collection day. 🙁
College boys, meet storage facility.
Well, I thought a closet shelf was safe enough for a couple of shoeboxes.
The value was mostly sentimental anyway. They were far from pristine condition. We used to pitch them against the wall, like pitching pennies, and win them from each other, with the result that the corners were pretty dinged up.
Who knew that a Mickey Mantle rookie card, bought, along with a piece of gum, for a penny (you could also buy a pack of seven cards for a nickel, if you had a nickel) would be worth nearly $3M today.
If that won't make you cry nothing will.
If so many of them weren't thrown away, they wouldn't be worth that much today. 🙂
It was the reverse in my house -- my mom kept insisting that my brother needed to keep his old Star Wars toys when he just wanted to get rid of them. Finally she caved in and let him sell them in a garage sale. Now he regrets it immensely, just like she said he would!
If she felt that strongly she should have bought them. Best of both worlds; the kid gets cash now and the mother gets the later value and the "I told you so".
You not only could have; you should have.
I'm having trouble imagining what a $25,000 porn collection even looks like.
Why not "Storage and disposal fee: $25,000" and we're square?
Storage fee maybe if the parents had actually continued to store it, but the parents had no right/authority to dispose of it, so no disposal fee.
They should have had a Storage Wars episode. A $25000 collection needs to contain porn from Pompeii, and the first issue of Playboy with Marilyn Monroe as centerfold, or it is ridiculous.
re: "Getting to the heart of the coconut..."
I've never heard that phrase before. Is it common? It seems an unlikely regionalism for Michigan.