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An Imagined #SCOTUS Group Chat for McKesson v. Doe
Certification from the Shadow Docket
--3/5/20--
@Clerk: DeRay McKesson, Black Lives Matter leader, filed petition for writ of cert. Divided CA5 panel held he negligently staged a protest, in which an officer was injured. The First Amendment did not provide a dissent. J. Willett dissented.
--6/17/20--
@BigRed: Did you really intend to write such a broad opinion in Bostock?
@RobeNotCapes: Intent is irrelevant Clarence. All that matters are the specific words I deliberately chose to express my personal beliefs.
@PhilliesFan: I can think of some four-letter words right now….
@TheChief: Just wait till my DACA opinion tomorrow. I have been committed to this position for months. No flip-flopping from me.
@BeachWeek: We know, John. You haven't changed your mind. Happy Blue June everyone.
@Clerk: Briefing is completed in McKesson v. Doe. Case will be distributed for long conference on September 29.
[Private Group Chat: Ruth's Troops]
@RBG: What do you all think about the BLM case? If we push for cert, will Neal join us?
@TheRealChief: Absolutely, Ruth. And we may get the Chief as well.
@MyBelovedWorld: I don't know, Elena. He may not be down for BLM. Race matters, after all.
@BreyerPager: I think this case is important enough to take. Let's see what happens.We have four.
[/end Private Group Chat: Ruth's Troops]
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9/18/20
[Private Group Chat: Elena's Angels]
@BreyerPager: Now we have three votes.
@TheRealChief: I got this, Steve.
[/End Group Chat]
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9/29/20
@TheChief: Happy long conference everyone. Welcome back.
…
@TheChief: Now we turn to 19-1108, McKesson v. Doe. Any interest?
@TheRealChief: We have three votes to grant. Anyone want to give a courtesy fourth? Neal?
@RobesNotCapes: Nope, I'll pass. Still stinging from Bostock.
@TheRealChief: Anyone? No? Come on, Don Willett dissented. Remember how funny his Twitter was?
@TheChief: I muted him a long time ago. Elena, would you like to prepare a dissent from denial of certiorari?
@TheRealChief: Hold on. I thought of a novel way to punt on a controversial issue: Let's certify the case to the Louisiana Supreme Court!
@BigRed: Has the Supreme Court ever issued a certification order before certiorari was granted?
@TheRealChief: Well, I found one case from 1963. We certified a question to the Supreme Court of Florida from the shadow docket.
@BigRed: Is that it? That precedent is not really helpful.
@TheRealChief: Well, I have another idea. In a 1974 case, after argument, we remanded a case to the old Fifth Circuit to "reconsider whether the controlling issue of Florida law should be certified to the Florida Supreme Court." Let's do that again!
@TheChief: Now I am intrigued. What would that order look like?
@TheRealChief: Just spitballing here. How about, "We therefore grant the petition for writ of certiorari, vacate the judgment of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, and remand the case to that court for further proceedings consistent with this opinion."
@BigRed: So we strongly suggest the Fifth Circuit certify, without actually telling the panel to certify?
@TheChief: It's perfect. I join.
@RobesNotCapes: Works for me. Certification is very federalist-y.
@BigRed: I dissent. This remand is a waste of time. Let's deny cert on this case already.
--11/2/20--
@Clerk: Order issued in McKesson v. Doe.
@MyBelovedWorld: Excellent punt, Elena. This case will come back to us in about 2 years after Court expansion.
@BreyerPager: I won't be here for it. I will be announcing my retirement as soon as Biden is sworn in. Polls looking good! Now because of the rigors of Article III standing, Texas may finally turn blue.
@TheChief: WTF!?
@BeachWeek: Oh come on.
@RobesNotCapes: Tell us what you really think.
@BigRed: Was that message meant for all of us?
@MyBelovedWorld: I'm sorry, chief, did it again. Those messages were supposed to be for our private group chat. Sorry everyone.
@TheChief: You have a private group chat?! Article III says there is "one Supreme Court." One. That means "one group chat." You aren't allowed to have private group chats. That basically violates Article III.
@TheRealChief: It's not so bad. It's like having panels on the Supreme Court. You know, maybe we should look into cases where only a panel of us decides a case. Think of how much easier things would be if there were more than nine of us to spread the work around.
@TheChief: You know, I really don't appreciate this incessant court-packing chatter.
@GoIrish: Everyone ready for the election tomorrow!
@TheChief: This chat is closed.
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Does anyone know what this is supposed to be about?
This is about the court's decision in McKesson v. Doe, and a bit of playful fun with how they may have come to such a decision.
As a quick review, McKesson led a protest into area that wasn't allowed for protests (A highway, specifically). Because if this, the police were required to respond. During the protest, a protestor assaulted a police officer, causing significant harm to the police officer. The police officer sued McKesson, saying his negligent actions led to the police officer's injuries. The district court dismissed, but the 5th circuit court would've allowed the civil lawsuit to go forward. The SCOTUS didn't deny cert (which would've had the 5th circuit court decision stand), but didn't really hear it either (and making a binding decision). Instead, they took the unusual step of sending it back to the 5th, to review the decisions. Here Blackman suggests that the decision was really Kagan's as a way not to decide the case now (when there wasn't a liberal majority) and ALSO not to deny cert, which would've left the original 5th Circuit ruling.
FYI: Big Red - Clarence Thomas
RobesNotCapes - Sam Alito
TheChief - John Roberts
PhilliesFan - Gorsuch
BeachWeek - Kavinaugh
RBG - Obvious
MyBelovedWorld - Sotomayor
TheRealChief - Kagan
BreyerPager - Breyer
GoIrish - Amy Coney Barrett
The tags are plays off of the judge's characteristics or names.
I know it can't really be done, but what would make this a little funnier is if it was done xkcd style.
https://xkcd.com/2337/
"FYI: Big Red – Clarence Thomas"
I don't think so. I think this is Ginny, not Clarence.
Nope, it's Thomas. First two lines make it clear.
"@BigRed: Did you really intend to write such a broad opinion in Bostock?
@RobeNotCapes: Intent is irrelevant Clarence. All that matters are the specific words I deliberately chose to express my personal beliefs."
Because if this, the police were required to respond.
I thought the whole reason why Americans are all armed to the teeth is because the police are never required to respond? Or was that just an excuse?
I thought the whole reason why Americans are all armed to the teeth is because the police are never required to respond? Or was that just an excuse?
Oh really? Or are you just trying, and failing, to be cute?
Who even knows, any more, with Josh.
It's not funny.
It was funny.
No. It’s not even law-nerd funny.
And that’s the lowest bar to clear.
https://youtu.be/xi5LESZ7_Kc
The handles alone were funny.
Again, no.
This is why lawyers are taught never to use humor in their written product.
Not because it’s a bad idea per se, but because (as you are amply demonstrating), they have no idea what is funny.
Are you saying that you're not a lawyer?
I know that one should never explain a joke in advance, but these are special times and there are gormless gobshites in attendance.
You have made a funny joke.
It's one thing to say a lawyer shouldn't crack jokes in a legal brief. (Like farting in church)
But to say categorically that lawyer's don't know what is funny...
https://amzn.to/3mETspk
Not being a lawyer, I offer this as an outsider's opinion : (1) This sure doesn't seem very funny, and (2) lawyers may not be funny, but their profession is a gift to humor (ie: Why do lawyers wear neckties? etc)
I didn't find them funny. Or the dialogue.
I can do better.
Breyer: Ice cream
Roberts: Bill Klem
Gorsuch: Trucker
Sotomayor: Solomonita
Kavanaugh: Bud
Thomas: Hillclimber
Alito: Headshaker
Ginsburg: Bubbeh
Kagan: the dean (needs work)
Barrett: Aries
Well, its the inside jokes, that require a bit more knowledge that you miss.
It's like why I enjoy xkcd. The inside bits.
"Well, its the inside jokes, that require a bit more knowledge that you miss."
Get over yourself. It's not really that inside, is it?
And given you didn't even realize who PhillieFan was (which is perhaps the most obvious reference) you probably shouldn't be calling anyone out for missing the references, eh?
"This isn't really an argument!"
"Yes it is!"
"No it isn't! It's just the automatic gainsaying of whatever the other person says!"
"...no it isn't!"
OK. I'm neither a lawyer nor a SCOTUS nerd.
Still, I thought Solomonita, Bud, and Hillclimber were pretty good, and Ice cream and Bill Klem decent. Better than Josh's lame efforts anyway.
It was not funny, and I find it virtually impossible to believe that you actually found it funny. What was the funniest part?
Also, you got Alito and Gorsuch mixed up above.
(I think I got this at the wrong nesting level; it's a reply to Armchair Lawyer, obviously.)
I did get them mixed up. Apologies.
But if you find it impossible to believe I found it funny, perhaps you're missing a sense of humor?
ITT: lawyers arguing about whether Blackman is funny as if humor is not entirely subjective.
Well, you're functionally retarded, so that's not the ringing endorsement you think it is.
Sadly that is probably what happened...
Donald Trump, for one, should hope that the SC never allows negligent 1st amendment protected utterances to be the basis for a cause of action. But then, how much broker can one man get?
"@TheChief: You have a private group chat?! Article III says there is "one Supreme Court." One. That means "one group chat." You aren't allowed to have private group chats. That basically violates Article III."
That was amusing.
That Justice Barrett gets "GoIrish" rather than "Handmaiden" establishes beyond contravention that clingers have no sense of humor.
Other than Greg Gutfeld, of course . . . that guy is a laugh machine.
Carry on, clingers. Try to enjoy your day.
Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better, but the frog dies in the process.
Luckily, I don't have to worry about killing any funnies here. So, why isn't this "ha ha" funny?
1. The Family Guy problem. "Look, I made a reference to something! Perhaps a TV show from the 1980s!" Just because you allude to something, doesn't make it funny. Look, I get it. Bostock. Ha ha ha ha. It's not funny.
2. The Most Obvious Reference isn't the Best One. Armchair Lawyer said the "handles" were funny. Really? Oh, I get it. Justice Barrett got her JD at Notre Dame, and also taught there. GoIrish! That is so clever. So very clever. #facepalm. The reason the various "handles" don't work as a joke is that there is no consistency to the names; are these supposed to be names that they would give themselves, or mocking names that Blackman assigns to them? Barrett might actually use GoIrish, but that's not actually funny (nor is PhilliesFan) ... it's just a reference. So why would some Justices use names that only Blackman would give them? For example, "TheRealChief" for Justice Kagan? There is absolutely no consistency, because it's not funny, it's just a weird screed from Blackman's id, which leads to ...
3. Stop trying to make fetch happen. Jokes can require a suspension of disbelief; but how much disbelief do you have to have to believe that Justice Roberts would be talking about flip-flopping, and that in response Justice Kavanaugh would refer to ... I can't believe I have to type this ... "Blue June," something that has only ever existed in the approximately 500+ posts by Blackman? It's not like Blackman is Gotye, and everyone is begging him to play 'Somebody that I Used to Know' again because it's his one hit. It's more akin to that really annoying guy you know who keeps claiming that his high school band had a single that charted at #83 in Estonia, but you just never were able to appreciate it, for reasons. But really, he needs to explain it to you again.
And really, that's it in a nutshell. It's nut funny because it's not coherent, it's not believable (or surreal), it's just Blackman using his own voice to recount his grievances. Other than being a continuing portrait of Blackman's unhealthy obsession with Justice Roberts (and his desire to turn jurisprudence into some sort of weird, celebrity gossip feature, with Blackman serving up 10 posts a day like a miniature Us Weekly), it is best viewed not as a piece of comedy, but similarly to how my spouse views the clothing decisions of certain people.
"Don't they have any friends? You know, to tell them?"
Well, you didn't find it funny. Other people did. Perhaps you just don't have a good sense of humor. Or really understand all the references, and how they go together.
I mean, I find XKCD funny. For example, https://xkcd.com/2377/ Why is a tactical helium reserve amusing? and "50% below critical mass" Because you need to get all the references first.
They drop a lot of amusing references and bits in there. But if you don't understand the references and bits, then you won't find it funny.
That you would compare this drivel to XKCD is sad.
That you only seem to have referent for what constitutes "comedy" says a lot about, well, you. You do realize that you have now referred to XKCD three times! I mean, we get it. You have been on the internet before. But sure, we all know xkcd.
https://xkcd.com/2368/
*slow clap*
I see this as a pick-your-poison situation and I prefer this attempt to more rules of court packing. This post is longer, but at least it doesn't threaten to repeat without end.
That's some good work, there.
"I mean, it's the usual terrible post, but at least we know it won't have a sequel."
Some cause happiness wherever they go; Blackman whenever he goes.
Honestly I can't tell if that's a "whoosh" or you playing along.