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At CUNY Law, "I Saw What Might Well Happen"
The mob tried to cancel me, but they failed.
I encourage everyone to read Eugene's post. It leads off with a Russian song, but the buried lede is really important:
I see the Great USC Chinese Homonym Panic and I see what might well happen to a vast range of other teaching that some ideological groups might label "trauma[tizing]" or dangerous to "mental health" or "harm[ful to] psychological safety."
My experience at CUNY Law in 2018 was formative and frightening. Dozens of students took time out of their day to protest my talk on free speech. They called me a fascist, Nazi, and white supremacist. They said my ideas "harmed" them. That my mere presence on campus was a form of "violence" that "traumatized" them. The hate and vitriol in the room was palpable.
Perhaps in 2018, this sort of response was on the fringe. But at CUNY Law, I saw what might happen at other campuses. Over the past two years, this movement has spread throughout the country. And it has become the new normal.
If this movement continues, the academy will consume itself. There will be purges of ideas and reigns of ideological terror. Thankfully, there will be no no guillotines. But people will be summarily cancelled.
The CUNY mob tried to shut me down. They tried to disrupt me. They failed. And I am not afraid of them, or other mobs. No tweet or comment or protest will deter me. I am the judge of my own actions; not some nebulous court of history which others can define.
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"Thankfully, there will be no no guillotines. "
Do you have any basis beyond blind optimism for saying that? How big a gap from bike locks to blades is there, anyway?
A couple of weeks ago when there were protests in D.C., they had one set up in front of Jeff Bezos’ house.
Pretty ironic.
You don't need a guillotine to kill someone -- they drove Professor Mike Adams to suicide. https://www.thefire.org/in-memoriam-professor-mike-adams-1964-2020/
Another bigoted victim in Kirklands Culture War!
These people are sick, and demented people with political power are dangerous.
Artie Ray, who didn't get a half-million when he was banned by partisan right-wing censors, nevertheless seems to have handled cancellation better than that guy. He also asked me to relay a message to his former fellow commenters here:
Quit whining.
Quit your usual crap!
I knew Mike Adams -- he was pushed way harder than even I was.
As far as I am concerned, UNCW murdered him.
The ballad of Mike Adams and Dr. Ed 2
If you only knew. FERPA prevents me from telling that story.
Why would FERPA prevent you from talking about knowing a college professor?
If they had a threesome with a student?
🙂
"Do you have any basis beyond blind optimism for saying that?"
Since he's actually in the trenches of the culture war, unlike you, his judgment is more reliable.
I think the left is quite capable of resorting to violence when it suits them. And they have been very bloody this year. It is always a war to keep leftist extremism at bay.
Is there any actual content to this comment beyond emoting that your side is good, while the other side is bad?
emoting that your side is good
I'm missing the part where that was said, can you point it out to me? There are only 34 words in the entire post and a bunch of them are used more than once.
You sure are.
Thing is, they haven't been that bloody this year.
How do you measure "bloody"? Your phrasing does conveniently ignore $100's millions in private and public property damage, and ignores 1000's of black owned businesses that no longer exist.
So if casualties are kept small, rioting is all good.
Ah yes, the blood of property.
Dead guy in burnt pawn shop, shooting in CHOP enclave, murdered Trump supporter in Portland, dead retired cop in St. Louis, two sheriffs shot in LA last night.
Just of the top of my head.
Arson is a crime of violence in any event. Let's burn down where you work or live and see if you are all calm then.
This is pretty pathetic support for...And they have been very bloody this year.
Note that the language is not about violence, it's about blood.
It's a prime symptom of the melodramatic narrativism the right has been spinning themselves tighter and tighter about. It's not reality, but you now need to argue that it is.
Note that the language is not about violence, it’s about blood.
Only an apologist, can can ignore the context of the quote and separate violence from blood.
The thing with terrorism is that you need to kill a few to terrify the rest into appeasing the terrorists.
Riots are not terrorism.
"Riots are not terrorism."
Wow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDnvXAkMnx8
Enough said?
Die Hard with a Vengeance, apart from being a fun fiction movie and not the real world, involved a bunch of bombs, as I recall.
It also involved neither riots nor terrorism.
So then what happens after? Nothing?
Usually they blame the conservative speaker.
It's your fault for upsetting them....
In the past couple of days a conservative was ran off UCF campus because the campus police the dangerous crowd was their fault. And since the crowd wouldn't listen to the police they were going to charge the conservative with trespassing.
Its unreal.
The UMass Police once told a student that they knew that radicals were going to "smash his head in with large rocks" and he could either withdraw from school, or remain and die -- they had no intention of protecting him from this violence.
This was actually documented in the student newspaper.
It's common.
Getting a bit Sisyphean at this point, but:
No, they didn't.
No, it wasn't.
No, it's not.
And the earth is flat and you gotta be careful with your boat lest you fall off the edge.
I was there, you were not.
I have very good sources on this, you do not.
I read it in the dead-tree version of the student newspaper, you did not. And yes, this is common.
Since it didn't happen, you couldn't have been there.
In the same way that JK Rowling has very good sources on what went on at Hogwarts.
No, you didn't.
No, it isn't. It has never happened. Not once.
I actually found the article, but I'm not going to post it because I don't think the kid needs his life destroyed any more than it was.
It's called ethics -- and as I'm not a lawyer, ummm... 🙂 🙂
"It's common"
"This was actually documented"
"I have very good sources on this"
"I actually found the article, but I'm not going to post it"
This reminds me of that time my cousin went to see you at the Pool and Chicken/a> down in Beechum County.
No, that was another fever dream you had.
My God. You're like a modern-day Rosa Parks. The courage you display in going to campuses where people say mean things about you. And since no one else will post to congratulate you on your bravery, you cut out the middle man and congratulate yourself. Forget bravery; let's call it what it is: True. Heroism. "So shines a good deed in a weary world."
It's sort of awe-inspiring, in a self-masturbatory way.
Prof. Blackman, I don't use the word "hero" very often. But you are the greatest hero in American history.
Not everyone has seen it.
Bonus: Spot the famous culture war casualty.
He neither claimed nor implied any mantle of heroism. On the other hand, the "Woke" mobs of maoist shit stains that roam the countryside shouting inter-sectionalist claims of trauma and violence from ideas they don't like are the lowest form of scum and villainy and it is their types that led directly to the deaths of millions in the Holdomor, the Cultural revolution, The Killing Fields and directly led to the rise of Nazism.
That's true. Just last night, a marauding band of woke Feminist Studies grad students broke into my family's countryside farmhouse in upstate State X, and forced us at gunpoint to attend an Indigo Girls concert. HEARTLESS BASTARDS!!! #SnowflakeComplaints
And here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4dbHNbgBo
I see riots, arson, looting and murder in Portland, LA, NY, Chicago, Seattle and elsewhere. Just because those calling for a violent overthrow of our government and a communist replacement are just starting the job doesn't mean that they aren't on the path.
Sarcastic rejoinders do not change the fact that he neither claimed, nor implied heroism on his part, simply an unwillingness to surrender to moronic leftist concepts like ideas that are ,"'trauma[tizing]' or dangerous to 'mental health' or 'harm[ful to] psychological safety,'" and other idiotic slogans of the woke left. No-one believed that Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin could overthrow the Czar when they started either.
"He neither claimed nor implied any mantle of heroism."
Read the final paragraph. Then get an education, starting with standard English.
Or just remain a half-educated, clueless clinger. It appears to suit you.
" The courage you display in going to campuses where people say mean things about you."
Bullshite.
I've been trapped on the roof of a burning building, neither knowing how much water was left in my fire truck* nor how fast I was using it, no longer making any pretense of trying to put the fire out -- only to slow it down enough to survive until help arrived.
And I've expressed unpopular opinions at UMass Amherst.
And that was WAY scarier....
___________
*No hydrants -- no water mains. Firefighting in rural America consists of using the water you have in the truck and then hauling more from rivers, lakes, fire ponds, swimming pools, etc.
Well, we've had a silly post by Josh, and a made-up "This totally did happen to me." story from Ed. All that's missing is a Kirkland post that mentions "clingers." If I get that, I win today's "Volokh Conspiracy Bingo." Woo-hoo!!!
How could I resist such a polite request?
"clingers"
I suppose I fabricated all the youtube clips as well....
This is comedy gold, gold Jerry!
Claim firsties on the movie option.
"say mean things about you"
Yes, the video showed people saying mean things.
Now, can you tell us what else it showed?
Did you happen to notice the masks?
Why don't you read Mike Adams' description of it:
https://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2006/11/21/planet-u-mass-n1302080
In my case it was the Mumia Fan Club -- I believe they came from at least six states for this event. There is nothing quite like hearing the police officer standing behind you radioing in an "officer in trouble" call...
And then the Fedder Fiasco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJPmv1vTbjc
Amongst other things, a bag of oranges (projectiles) and a live rat were excluded from the room, and I was quietly outside on the upper balcony observing and preventing some other things....
Also notice how they blocked the exit door -- that's a standard intimidation tactic, and an *explicit* violation of the Mass Fire Code.
I'm not saying that Fedder handled this well, but the cops were ignoring all of this, including the explicit "no signs" rule.
And then at Smith College: https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/smith_0329/index.html
The last time that Ann Coulter spoke at Smith College, it was hosted in an off-campus auditorium as this was before Smith had built its student union. Again, the thugs blocked the isles, intimidating people, and I asked a Smith College Cop if this was permissible.
He said that ordinarily it would be, but "the dean" had told him to let the protesters do anything they wanted. I then asked "but what about the City of Northampton codes?" He smiled -- and a few minutes later there were City of Northampton cops keeping the isles clear....
It's incremental intimidation, but this stuff started 20 years ago.
What is it with you clowns who all feel the need to try to capture Sarcastr0s' disingenuous asshole crown?
well said. A much better post than that of Kirkland.
Ah...I've seen this tactic before where some Leftist tries to go for a reverso, assuming the persona of a rugged unPC chad with brass balls the size of watermelons thowing around out insults like 'homo' and 'snowflake' and 'sissy' to defend sjw mobs who want to police gender pronouns or enforce safe spaces.
Its really a weird embarrassing thing to behold.
This started way before 2018 -- here is what happened when Mike Adams attempted to speak at UMass in 2007: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=558eXDsMJxE
And in 2007, BAMN (which became Antafa) was protesting the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative. See: https://www.scotusblog.com/2013/09/schuette-symposium-the-parade-of-horribles-lives/
This reminds me of the movie Billy Jack (1971).
There is an article in the National Review on this subject: Cancel Culture Is Not the Problem; Conformity Culture Is
https://reason.com/2020/09/12/at-cuny-law-i-saw-what-might-well-happen/#comments
There is an article in the National Review on this subject: Cancel Culture Is Not the Problem; Conformity Culture Is
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/cancel-culture-conformity-culture-bigger-problem/
[Sorry about the previous post. It didn't copy correctly.]
Who were those students ? They most certainly were not law students. Why do undergrads feel the need to deprive law students of an education.
My experience is that a lot of them aren't students of any kind.
They are professional activists.
" Thankfully, there will be no no guillotines. "
Nor competent editors, apparently.
Proofreading? That's valuable time that could be spent churning out new content!
I think you spelled clickbait wrong
heh
Based on the amount of slippery slope posts, it's about time for Dr. Ed 2 to be invited to join the conspiracy as a full time blogger.
“I am the judge of my own actions; not some nebulous court of history which others can define.”
Isn’t this kind of a license for you to be as selfish and immoral as you want if no one can judge you but yourself? When I am confronted with a moral puzzle, I usually consider how others would judge my actions. I also often ask others if it is or was the right thing. This isn’t always the end all be all of moral thinking obviously, but it is an important aspect to it. Completely disregarding it is pure hubris and arrogance. It’s borderline solipsism.
It appears to me that in this post (as in most of his posts) Blackman is casting his judgment upon the actions of others which occurred in the past. As such, he has placed himself on the "Court of History," where all of us who possess the faculties of memory and judgment also preside. However, he does not seem to recognize that he is a member of this court, and he judges poorly those in the past who have referenced such a court.
Yeah, that seems to make complete sense.
"I can't be judged by others because [argument that depends on judgment of others].
That shows a rather significant lack of confidence in your own judgment. If you know that your actions are right, what difference does it make how anyone else would judge them?
If knowing my actions are right isn't accompanied by understanding the arguments of those who say I'm wrong, my "knowing" isn't worth much.
"That shows a rather significant lack of confidence in your own judgment."
For those of us with a lifetime of experience exercising poor judgment and being wrong, I think having that confidence would reflect a rather significant lack of self-awareness.
Spoken by the brave man that farts during the violin recital.
How can an ugly mob mentality constitute legitimate and final judgement of another whose free speech it seeks to shut down? Have no idea what Blackman says in his circuit lectures, but it's highly doubtful he slurs protesting students with epithets and unsupported accusations, as they did him.
Those who resort to intimidation tactics and hyperbolic slander to stop another's expression have less moral heft than numbers and noise behind their "arguments." At the college level, students, faculty, and speakers ought to be intellectually and emotionally equipped to hear various points of view and reflect and debate, rather than censor and pillory.
The new tolerance is intolerance, both on campus and off, including here in the comments. Unfortunately, false accusations, illegitimate labeling, and vile stereotypes take on a life of their own, though they are as tedious as they are becoming familiar and decreasingly challenged. Today's constant point and hate strategy is used to erode people's senses of self so that they internalize any labels they're given and reasonable debate breaks down; factions are declared and kept as polarized as possible, until such time an authoritarian technocracy is imposed. Eric Blair told us that this is the way it will be. The loss of civility and civil liberties is the point, not any real notion of fairness.
Good for Professor Blackman for not conceding to the spite of the mob. None of us should.
Edit: Good for Professor Blackman for not conceding his right of expression and viewpoint to the spite of the mob. None of us should.
Bravo -- but it is harder to do than you might think.
That my mere presence on campus was a form of "violence" that "traumatized" them.
If you can document this type of statement, as a teacher, you can red flag them into a facility for observation. An involuntary commitment can do wonders for their academic career.
Sadly, no. The problem is that all the red flaggers are way to the left of Vladimir Lenin and it's the sane students that need to worry about this.
I once hid a student so UMass couldn't find her -- that's how out-of-control this stuff is. It's really quite scary -- and sorta destroys everything you believe about Constitutional rights.
There's really no excuse for a university letting cancellers have their way instead of telling them to grow up. Secretary deVos should make something like the Chicago Principles binding on every school that receives federal aid.
Maybe she will do that in Trump's second term. She is a very underrated member of the Trump admininstration, IMO.
I agree -- I've been impressed with her.
"The CUNY mob tried to shut me down. They tried to disrupt me. They failed. And I am not afraid of them, or other mobs. No tweet or comment or protest will deter me."
If that we're true, why don't you just give your speeches, write your blog posts, and stop constantly whining about a few college kids being mean to you? This ridiculous overwrought rhetoric, while very funny, comes off a bit pathetic. It's difficult to imagine living a life so frictionless, so cushy, that you could mistake what happened to you for an act of defiant heroism.
You ever put your underwear on in the morning and wonder if you will be taking it off that night -- or if it will be cut off you in the morgue?
Get back to me when you have...
No, I don’t wear underwear. If I did, though, unlike Professor Blackman, I wouldn’t need to change them every time a handful of college students were mean to me.
Pretty much every woman who’s had an abortion has faced more daunting protests, and far more invective, than Blackman did here, and we don’t get a tenured position out of it. Yet he wants to style himself a hero - complete with prose that would make a Marvel writer blush - for facing down some college kids that posed literally no physical threat to him at all. Give me a break, and suck it up.
Have you watched his video of his experience at CUNY Law?
White liberals trying to keep the Blackman down. Why is that not surprising?
heh
Good one. Like George Castanza, you should quit immediately.
Jimmy, they are LEFTISTS, not liberals -- and you should add that they are rich. They have trust funds and the rest.
"The CUNY mob tried to shut me down. They tried to disrupt me. They failed. And I am not afraid of them, or other mobs. No tweet or comment or protest will deter me. I am the judge of my own actions; not some nebulous court of history which others can define."
Since Josh would never toot his own horn, I'll say it. Something else he absolutely positively will not abide is virtue signalling.
Josh Blackman stands athwart the court of history, yelling Estop.
Feelingz are paramount and Can’t be challenged by facts. University classes are now therapy.
Fat boy panting, and protesters standing still. Wow, poor you.
It's a shame Blackman didn't mention my left-leaning NYC law school inviting him to talk about this issue. He wasn't de-platformed, he was welcomed! Yet, he couldn't put his pizza or laptop down when it was any other panelists turn to speak!
While Profs. Volokh and Blackman are lathering up their followers with the fourth or fifth post whining about this, this is what their betters are writing about for a different audience.
Carry on, clingers.
Let's see, this late-breaking news from 1946 is about some probable FDR voters lynching a black man in Georgia for voting in the Democratic primary.
What is it with Democrats and their tendency toward violence?
Blackman wrote: "There will be purges of ideas..."
Happens all the time, I don't understand why people are worried about it. When was the last time a physics curriculum was built around the existence of N-Rays, or a biology professor taught spontaneous generation as a serious theory, or an English teacher insisted that his students always use the long S? Is it not appropriate to avoid having colleges inviting speakers who loudly and openly promote the idea that Jews drink the blood of Christian infants?
Universities are not a place where all ideas deserve equal treatment. Some ideas are wrong. Universities are supposed to be places where good ideas are separated from the bad.
So no, we don't need to fret that there will be purges of ideas. Instead, we need to continue to purge ideas, and celebrate the fact that we do.
We purge N rays and the luminiferous ether, if you want to describe it that way, because people have reasoned about it, not because someone waltzes in with a heckler's veto about how they feel so attacked.
Kek