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What Would William Howard Taft Do About Robert Mueller?
In light of the FBI's search of Michael Cohen's office, as well as reports that President Trump considered firing Robert Mueller in December and June, the Senate Judiciary Committee will vote next week on a bi-partisan bill that would allow Special Prosecutors to appeal their firing to a panel of judges. The President, Congress, and the Special Prosecutor, of course, are now asking this question: What Would William Howard Taft Do?
As it happens, Taft's presidency was nearly undone by his rash decision to fire Gifford Pinchot, a moralistic whistleblower and aide to Theodore Roosevelt who served as the head of the U.S. Forrest Service. Pinchot alleged that Taft's Secretary of the Interior, Richard A. Ballinger, had corruptly sold lands to a mining syndicate controlled by J.P. Morgan, a contributor to Taft's campaign, rather than preserving them for environmental conservation.
Convinced that Ballinger was innocent, Taft fired Pinchot because of his prickly demands for personal loyalty among his closest aides, and his tendency to become enraged when they criticized him. Taft then made matters worse by backdating the document he issued to justify the firing -- a deception uncovered by the crusading investigator Louis Brandeis. As usual, in Washington, the cover up was worse than the crime. The firing led to the historic breach between Taft and Roosevelt, splitting the Republican party and guaranteeing Woodrow Wilson's election in 1912.
If President Taft shows the political dangers of impetuously firing aides on the grounds of disloyalty and then lying about the paper trail, Chief Justice Taft reiterated that the president has the constitutional authority to fire any officer he appoints. In the Myers case, Taft held that the need for "unity and coordination" in executive action gave the president the power to fire any executive officer he had appointed without being constrained by Congress. "The natural meaning of the term 'executive power' granted the President included the appointment and removal of executive subordinates," Taft wrote.
In all such cases, the discretion to be exercised is that of the President in determining the national public interest and in directing the action to be taken by his executive subordinates to protect it….The moment that he loses confidence in the intelligence, ability, judgment or loyalty of anyone of them, he must have the power to remove him without delay. To require him to file charges and submit them to the consideration of the Senate might make impossible that unity and coordination in executive administration essential to effective action.
As Christopher Yoo, Steve Calabresi, and Anthony J. Colangelo note in "The Unitary Executive and the Modern Era," "Once power was delegated to the Chief Executive, Taft believed that "the president should be given broad and plenary control over those powers." They emphasize that Taft fired Gifford Pinchot in part because of his belief in the importance of unifying presidential control over the executive branch.
What would Taft say about the proposals in Congress to limit the president's power to fire the special prosecutor? There are decent arguments for and against the constitutionality of the bills -- the constitutional skeptics harken back to Taft's opinion in Myers and to Justice Scalia's dissent in Morrison v. Olson, the 1988 case upholding the now lapsed independent counsel law; those supporting the constitutionality of the bill emphasize the 8-1 Morrison majority opinion. But the Roberts Court is more Taftian than the Rehnquist Court. For that reason, any Senators drafting bills to restrain the president's ability to fire Robert Muller should read Myers carefully -- and be guided by the actions not of President Taft but of Chief Justice Taft.
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Why could not Congress appoint its own special prosecutors, if they want a prosecutor who does not answer to the President?
Why could not BLAG act as a special prosecutor?
Prosecution by definition is an executive function. When someone is prosecuted criminally in the federal system, the criminal charge is brought by the United States -- that is how the cases are captioned. Who represents the United States? The Executive branch, specifically the DOJ.
Congress could set up a Special Investigator, who would be charged with investigating something (a suspected crime) and reporting back to Congress what he or she found. Congress might then decide to impeach someone, or refer the matter to the DOJ for prosecution.
"Congress could set up a Special Investigator, who would be charged with investigating something (a suspected crime) and reporting back to Congress what he or she found."
Such an investigator would be severely limited in their ability to obtain evidence from uncooperative sources.
Because BLAG as special prosecutor acting under the direct control of Congress would be limited to subpoenas.
They wouldn't be able to use the FBI as investigators, or obtain search warrants, or execute a warrant by force against a refusal to co operate. In short, BLAG has no law enforcement powers.
Check out the latest swamp creature to emerge, this one being responsible for the Cohen raid. The swamp is deep!
"When the media first began to spin the raid on the president's lawyer, they claimed that it had been approved by a Trump appointee. Of course it hadn't. It came from Rosenstein on one end. And Trump's appointee had recused himself. That left his deputy, an Obama holdover.
Robert Khuzami. . . And he has quite the stunning history . . ."
Have a look at the details on this despicable swamp creature's behavior at the SEC:
https://bit.ly/2HgXkvD
"Year One should have seen a crackdown on the corruption of the Obama era. It's still not too late.
The bottom line is that the Trump administration will either aggressively push back by declassifying, exposing and prosecuting misconduct from the Obama years. Or it will be targeted by increasingly aggressive measures orchestrated by the very people it should have been going after."
Pretty much, and that's the thing about Sessions that bugs me the most. I had really hoped that Trump's administration would spell the end to this corrupt tradition, (Begun by Ford.) of each administration holding the previous administration harmless for any crimes it may have committed.
But Sessions apparently had no taste for going after past administrations' crimes.
Or there were no crimes to begin with.
Prosecuting past administrations is third world crap, Brett. Think for a moment beyond your immediate partisan needs to the long term effect of such a policy.
The problem is, they are still there doing what they've been doing, and working over time to undermine Trump. Letting bygones be bygones sounds nice in theory, but unfortunately there's no such option because they're not gone.
You want to put people on trial for 'undermining the President?!'
I think he wants to fire them. And if they acted criminally, which it looks like, then arrest and charge them.
"Think for a moment beyond your immediate partisan needs to the long term effect of such a policy."
Now officials of former administrations get to prosecute current administrations. Is that better?
When the officials are appointed by the current administration, the guilt by association doesn't really wash.
Mueller was appointed by a renegade official, not the "current administration".
Who could forget the renegade official exception!
Well it's only bad now that Trump's in office, apparently.
The idea that there were no crimes is a sad joke. Just based on public information you can easily identify multiple crimes. Some of which Comey dishonestly attributed a mens rea requirement to, others he simply avoided any mention of.
Unless you engage in circular, "Nobody got prosecuted, so there were no crimes." logic.
FAILING to prosecute past administrations is worse. It's what leads you to that third world crap, where whoever is in power is above the law.
Yeah, but you can also deduce that Clinton was ordering trafficked children via a pizza parlour, so we're not impressed with the deductive powers of the right.
If you're worried about those in power being above the law you should be giving full-throated support to a thorough and transparent investigation that shows the president himself is bound by the law of the land.
Do you similarly expect to hope that Pres. Trump's successor chases Pruitt, Price, Trump, Kushner, Trump, Conaway, Kobach, Lloyd, Zinke, and others?
I do not, based on currently available information.
A proper link for those who don't want to click on a tiny url
BREAKING: Obama Holdover Accused of Corruption Approved Trump Lawyer Raid
Source: Frontpage Magazine.
Thanks. Been thrown off by the limitation on link characters. I guess we can do HTML? Test
Your welcome, there has been a significant history of tiny urls being used to con people into going to malicious sites, that's why a lot of people won't click them no matter how you describe the content.
It's best to avoid tiny urls.
The linked sources (Columbia Journalism Review, Rolling Stone, Reuters, Wall St on Parade) are devastating . . .
When the media first began to spin the raid on the president's lawyer, they claimed that it had been approved by a Trump appointee. Of course it hadn't. It came from Rosenstein on one end. And Trump's appointee had recused himself.
Rod Rosenstein is a Trump appointee, confirmed 94-6 on April 25, 2017.
Gifford Pinchot was the silver-spooned nanny-stater who, as governor of Pennsylvania at Prohibition's repeal, declared he would design emerging alcohol beverage regulations to shackle and frustrate producers and consumers of alcohol beverages.
Someone who had known Pinchot told me that the man was not entirely bad, just mostly bad. It seems fitting that a reptile -- a lizard -- is named for Pinchot.
"Special Prosecutor"
Mueller is not a "Special Prosecutor" because the statute was repealed, he is a "Special Counsel" under DOJ regulations.
Am I the only one who sees the inherent conflict of interest of law enforcement investigating their own bosses?
There's a kind of conservation of conflict of interests in government, I think. No matter how you arrange things, SOMEBODY is going to have a conflict of interest.
In this case, either people in the DoJ can't investigate the President without getting fired, or people in the DoJ can immunize themselves against being fired by investigating the President. Either way somebody has a conflict of interest.
Serving at the pleasure of the President doesn't mean you are a complete puppet of the President. Or even that the President has ways to easily and privately entice you.
See: Saturday Night Massacre.
U.S. Forrest Service-Forest is spelled with one "r".
Just because you believe something very strongly doesn't make it true.
Forget? It is your sword and shield.
I'm saying I believe Comey over you.
I would love that sort of incentive for good behavior
That's not what it would incentivize.
According to Comey, there is a difference between "grossly negligent" [crime] and "extremely careless" [not crime].
"belief" is the correct standard because accepting Comey's word on the e-mails is a matter of faith
It incentivizes the President to centralize their power and their party's power in a permanent fashion, heedless of consequence because he's assured of jail otherwise.
If you think only bad Presidents would be persecuted under this, think of what Democrats would have been done to W. Bush and Reagan if this were the norm.
Accepting anyone's word is a matter of faith, Bob. How can you believe anything you haven't personally witnessed? Your choice of who not to trust seems a bit outcome oriented.
And what about the Trump admin's security fails? In vetting, in blurting out (former) secrets, in it's own server problems.
Whatever. I need to stop rising to the bait every time someone answers the Trump Admin's spiraling legal jeopardy with 'Why can't we talk more about how I think Hillary's super guilty of things!'
The unitary executive is why the President has complete Constitutional authority over the entire executive branch, including all of these investigations, and the authority to fire anyone who is not part of one of the other two branches. This meme about an "independent FBI" that gets bandied about by Lyin' Comey and the rest is an anathema to our Constitution.
We should note President Nixon could have openly shut down the Watergate investigation.
He did not becsuse he did not want to oay a political price.
Do you think the application of the law and handling of the cases by the FBI has been consistent between the Clinton case and the Trump case?
Not remotely.
The FBI investigations into Trump and potential collusion between his campaign and Russia have been remarkably leak free, both during the election and now, and official statements have been minimal.
By contrast, the FBI investigation into Clinton's emails was extremely public, very leaky, and included and extremely ill-advised announcement a week before the election.
For the most part I think this was circumstance more than bias on the FBI's part. But I think it's overwhelmingly true that Trump has gotten far more favourable treatment from the FBI than Clinton. Despite the incessant whining that comes from Trump as investigators follow a very legitimate trail of evidence that leads straight into his finances.
How many immunity deals were offered to Trump people vs Clinton people? How many raids did the FBI conduct against Clinton people? How many Clinton people were charged with process crimes?
Any? Where Trump people allowed to destroy evidence or violate subpoena orders?
"The FBI investigations into Trump and potential collusion between his campaign and Russia have been remarkably leak free . . . Trump has gotten far more favourable treatment"
Thanks for the laugh!
This investigation has been leaking like a sieve since months before the election, when the deep state first hatched this plan to peddle a crackpot conspiracy theory to justify spying on political opponents. Starting with the leaker in chief and liar Comey. Almost every week there is a new "revelation" according to anonymous "sources" and usually multiple per week.
If Trump was getting the Clinton treatment, then instead of raiding Cohen's office, they would have sent a subpoena, and then waited patiently while the respondents carefully destroyed whatever they wanted, bleached the hard drives, and smashed the phones with hammers. No objection would be raised to this, and they wouldn't even ask to see the hard drives or other electronics. This is just the tip of the iceberg in the wildly unequal treatment in Clinton's favor.
I don't get this narrative. You give immunity to get someone to talk. The fact the only legal outcome was the immunity deal shows they had so little evidence that their only hope would be that Pagliano would tell them that someone specifically instructed him to delete the emails after the preservation order.
They may have gotten a harsher penalty for him but I think it was subdued by the fact his motive was more covering up his professional screw-up more than covering up evidence.
With Trump we know at least one person got partial immunity, and a whole bunch of others have flipped after taking deals.
The FBI has gone a bit harder after the Trump folks because a lot of them were actively trying to mislead investigators. Though the ones who cooperated early have gotten pretty nice deals.
Countries where executives exercise complete authority over the executive branch are not countries you want to live in.
What they didn't foresee is that Congress would voluntarily cede almost all of its power to the Executive branch just to avoid accountability for anything that went wrong, retaining just enough to keep the graft flowing.
Presidents have rarely seized power that Congress didn't voluntarily abandon.
It's funny you think political trials would be about breaking the law. And that our political power is currently anywhere near maximally centralized.
We would become a dictatorship within a generation of opening that door to anything but the most extraordinary circumstances (read: impeachment)
I'm only paranoid if I think it's going to happen. I think you have an awful idea, but luckily one that's nowhere near coming to pass.
Did you lose the bubble on what we're talking about? A nonpartisan civil service isn't the issue - a norm of criminal investigation of the previous administration is.
Look around and at history. Those nations that regularly look into jailing their opposition are rarely the bastions of republicanism
Think about it - if you think you're in danger of going to jail already, what's the disincentive to going hog wild with partisan prosecutions? An opposition where everyone's in jail won't be strong enough to take power away from your party. Of course, to keep your party on your side, you'll need to ramp up the red-meat nationalism and partisanship...
You and your compatriots have decided Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Mueller, and just about everyone who can hold Trump accountable are actually liars. The real truth comes from your own pieced together narrative and associated legal analysis. Furthermore, anyone who calls you on this is the real partisan.
This is rare for me, but I'm done engaging on people who eagerly relitigate Hillary on topics about Trump. It's as pure as distraction gets, and offers nothing but the same well-trod ground.
Aluchko -- The U.S.A. has its problems but I still like living here.
Since it appears you may not be familiar with the basics of our Constitution, read the first sentence of Article II Section 1. It is very short.
(I'm guessing you don't live in the U.S. or are not from here.)
'Void where prohibited.'
You're unfamiliar with the basis of the sentence I wrote.
"where executives exercise complete authority"
Just because you have the power to fire people who investigate you and your allies doesn't mean you should use it.
The US is a not a country where the executive traditionally exercises the full extend of that power. Countries where executives do exercise that power are often considered to be authoritarian regimes.
The "leaks" have either been:
1) Reporters speculating based on things like indictments and what they can derive from the members of the team.
2) Reporters reporting on their own (or other parties) investigations in to Trump.
3) Targets of the investigation who've been interviewed and started talking about it.
I'm not sure I've seen any leak come from Mueller's team, and Steele, the one person who did talk to the press (who was an independent investigator and not a member of the FBI) got fired for talking to the press.
And as I'm sure you've noticed there have been various subpoenoas and preservation orders issued to Trump and his associates. Meaning they too would have plenty of time to destroy documents if they wished.
The assertion, which we see mindlessly repeated by some members of the mainstream media ad nauseam, that Team Mueller has been "remarkably leak free" is simply baseless and wholly unsupported. It could be largely true, or it could not be. What's clear is that we have wave upon wave of "reports" and unnamed "persons familiar with the matter" that could be anyone.
You raise a good point that I've been wondering about, actually. Should Cohen and Trump have been smart enough to anticipate such a raid and ensure there aren't all kinds of damaging things lying around for investigators to find? I think so -- as as surprising as these anti-Trumpers' brazen zealotry may seem, it shouldn't really be surprising.
Maybe Mueller is carefully leaking stuff that looks exactly like people saying what he asked them, or maybe people are going to the media and reporting what Mueller asked them.
Which isn't even a leak, BTW. And has sometimes even been attributed to people Mueller has spoken to.
But how can we possibly know? Better assume Mueller is a bad guy!
Oh, I'll engage on the policy issue, just ignore any Hillary BS you bring up. Not because of being to emotional, but because I don't think there's any value added.
We are talking about a norm here. A norm you want to end. That norm was clearly still in place back in the day, as it is today. Furthermore, I don't see any less legal exposure if high-ranking political officials nowadays versus before the civil service.
Good point that one could reversing my causality about dictatorships and criminalizing the opposition...except where are the counterexamples going the other direction? Why has literally every single liberal country not adopted your policy?
The problem is that law breaking is very easy to gin up by partisans. Political trials have a long and sordid history, and not as a great way to find the truth.
The executive has always exercised the full extent of that power.