Justin Amash

Justin Amash: People Want a President 'Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.'

The Libertarian presidential hopeful makes his case for your vote.

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Five-term Michigan Congressman Justin Amash has announced that he's running for the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination, which will be decided in late May. The 40-year-old son of Middle Eastern immigrants took office in 2011 as a Republican but left the party last July, saying he didn't want to be part of a partisan death spiral. He has consistently voted against corporate bailouts, increases in debt-financed government spending, overseas military interventions, and the prosecution of the federal drug war.

During the coronavirus pandemic, Amash has castigated federal agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration, first for botching containment efforts and then for asserting monopoly control over testing. He was one of a mere handful of no votes on the $2.2 trillion CARES Act, arguing that all relief payments should go directly to individuals and households rather than corporations, nonprofits, or government agencies.

Republican and Democratic loyalists are lashing out at Amash as a quixotic potential spoiler with no chance of being elected and calling for him to step aside. 

Nick Gillespie talked with Amash over Skype about why he thinks Donald Trump is too erratic to be given a second term, why Joe Biden is too old for a first term, and why he believes his vision of a freer country will take him to victory in November.

Read a transcript of the interview.

Edited by John Osterhoudt. Amash graphics by Lex Villena.

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  1. That may be true, but I don’t see how it helps Amash’s cause if it is.

    1. I don’t think it is true for most people.

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      2. I wish it were true, but the sad fact is that most voters pick the giant douche or the turd sandwich because they hate the other one slightly more than the one they voted for.

        Since we’re always going to get a scumbag, that just makes it all the more important to oppose any attempt to increase the power of the office.

        -jcr

        1. We have a scumbag because scumbag IS normal. Have you been in the world lately? Trump is the perfect representative of this country as he is a perfect reflection of us. Cheaters, crude, and lasaidical about divorce.

          The only thing truly abnormal is his temperance. He’d be mocked by his peers for being a rube and stupid for shunning alcohol and drugs.

    2. Amash is leagues above Trump, and Biden, when it comes to character, integrity, or human decency.

      1. Cool story bro.

      2. No presidential race in living memory has hinged upon character, integrity, or human decency.

        1. ^ Pretty much this.

          It might hinge on the appearance of those things on occasion, but once in office it turns out the real qualification for winning office is being an abject liar, and being good at lying to your constituents.

          There are exceptions, but they are not the rule.

          And Amash in particular has well shown that, unlike say Rand Paul, he can’t work with people he thinks are doodie heads and is willing to break his supposed ‘principles’ to ‘get even’.

          And Rand Paul is no exception to any of the above, either. Oh well.

          1. And Amash in particular has well shown that, unlike say Rand Paul, he can’t work with people he thinks are doodie heads

            It’s exhausting the be the only one with principles in a large group of thieves and liars. How exactly did he break his?

            1. Lol
              Reason says “praise Amash” and all the dutiful “free thinkers” follow right along

              1. Totally unlike your dispassionate support for Trump.

            2. By supporting a sham investigation that violated 4A rights, and by doing so also enabled an attempted coup by unelected government bureaucrats. That good enough for you?

              1. I don’t know what universe you came from. Impeachment is not a coup.

                1. Kind of depends how you arrive at impeachment, I’d say.

                  People were talking about impeachment for three years. This is what they came up with.

                  I think plenty of people are more bothered about the secret investigations and secret courts surrounding a Presidential campaign.

                  I suspect that if FISA gets used on Biden some Democrats might demand another impeachment with zero self awareness.

                2. This one sure tried to be. Ginned up by the losing side, given to spooks in the CIA, plotted by top FBI men and conducted by crooked as hell Pelosi and her henchmen.

                3. It is obvious from your comment that there are many things you don’t know.

                  1. He knows, but he’s a liar.

                4. Ummmmm, for ludicrous BS they impeached him for, Yes, that was an attempted coup!

                5. It was an attempted coup based on fraud, and you know it you deceitful fuck.

                6. Using the power of the FBI to entrap, spy and harass a duly elected President and his staff is in fact an attempted coup.


            3. It’s exhausting the be the only one with principles in a large group of thieves and liars.

              Wait, you think anyone in Congress has principles?

              Usually, if you vote against a President of your own party in an impeachment and it doesn’t go your way you should expect to not be in that party anymore.

              That’s why Amash wants to do his penance in the Libertarian party, just like Bill Weld. Or are we saying Bill Weld is actually a Libertarian?

              Even Weld managed to choke out Libertarian sayings when he had to, and I don’t think Amash is any different.

              1. Usually, if you vote against a President of your own party in an impeachment and it doesn’t go your way you should expect to not be in that party anymore.
                In a reductive tribal TEAM sense (aka reality) yes, obviously. The political parties will not tolerate apostates. Is this a good way to hold people accountable? It is ridiculous that impeachment is such a nakedly partisan affair. The parties are FICTIONS. Everyone involved is bound by the Constitution. The law should be the thing that matters here, not partisan affiliation.

                Amash wants government to be run by the law, in the way it was intended, not by the cabal of special interests that dominates thing. Trump didn’t follow through on his promise to drain the swamp. I believe Amash will do more on this front, by demanding everyone follow the process.


                1. Amash wants government to be run by the law, in the way it was intended, not by the cabal of special interests that dominates thing.

                  Well, he does when he thinks he can use it in some snazzy campaign video’s anyway. He was strangely pretty unwilling to impeach the prior President at any point, and yet we’re always told if you don’t think every President should be impeached you’re crazy.

                  So, what, is Amash crazy or did he just discover this after 8 years of Obama?

                  No offense, but Gary Johnson was a better Libertarian candidate with way better likability and trust and he was absolutely destroyed.

                  1. I agree with you that Gary Johnson was the better candidate. Amash’s justification for voting for the Trump impeachment calls into question his alleged passion for the rule of law.

                  2. Gary Johnson sunk his chances at getting 10% after his great TV performances….

                  3. What planet are you living on. Gary Johnson was horrible for the LP. The dude has the personality of a wet fish, and is to left leaning.

                    1. This.
                      I’m pissed that Amash deliberately lied about the Mueller report for cheap publicity, but he’s still 1000 times more the libertarian than old “Bake the Cake, Bigot” Johnson ever was.

                  4. Yeah, Johnson was definitely better, but alas, he sucked too & so did his supposed equal partner, Weld!!! Boy, Weld was the worst! The LP is in the toilet!

                  5. Amash’s dealing with his Chinese Puppet Master partners is cause enough for concern. His loyalty to the Constitution and this Country is extremely suspect.

                2. His support of the Mueller investigation is all the proof you need that he DOESN’T want the government ruled by law, at least not when it’s inconvenient for him.

                  That’s why people here have a problem with him, he showed flagrant disregard for some pretty basic human rights because he thought it would benefit him politically. He’s like virtually every other politician in that regard.

                  1. That’s why people here have a problem with him, he showed flagrant disregard for some pretty basic human rights

                    Feel free to show me exactly how Justin Amash showed a disregard for human rights. Walk me through it.

                    All I see, vis a vis Mueller, is a lot of people pissed Amash broke rank. Burn the heretic, right?


                    1. All I see, vis a vis Mueller, is a lot of people pissed Amash broke rank. Burn the heretic, right?

                      Ah, so you were asleep during everything that came before. It’s ok, apparently Amash was too.

                      I’d refer you to articles, but frankly three years of delving for articles isn’t work I’m willing to do for you for free. Have a paypal account? I’d be happy to catch you up for a fee.

                    2. Translation: to think like BYODB and his buddies, you haven’t absorbed nearly enough zerohedge articles.

                    3. Keep in mind, the Ukraine phone call was the best dirt they found after digging for three whole years and it still blew up in Democrats faces.

                      How’s that investigation into Biden’s dealings with the Ukraine going, by the way? Been keeping up with it? Seems like when the focus shifted, everyone lost all interest in that. Weird, right, for a bunch of people so interested in corruption at the highest levels of government?

                    4. Far more learned minds that you will ever possess stated Trump’s actions did not rise to the level required for impeachment. It was a shame with Schiff riding roughshod over the operation to frame it favorably for the Democrats.

                      As I said in response to one of your previous comments, that is a great deal you do not know and one of them is fairness and the rule of law.

              2. two peas in a pod

          2. Amash is in the pocket of the Chinese and as such has nothing to offer except more betrayal of this country that I served and and father and brother fought for. I have no doubt if he does in fact run he will be pressured to pick another loser as a VP like perhaps Weld. I once thought the Libertarian Party stood for something which included an adherence to the Constitution and a respect for our sovereignty. From the articles I read here and the insistence that every thing that Orange man does is bad it is obvious that the ideology circles around more progressive endeavors such as open borders and free pot for all. Amash never once tried to reach out to others in the party once Trump was elected… Why is that? Trump regardless of an irritating style did actually accomplish much more than Bush or Obama in his first term. I don’t always agree with him but he does act without slavishly appealing to the overwhelming and hideous Washington bureaucracy. Amash and his family have made a fortune by by outsourcing their tool company to China. All you have to do is trace their company (Tekton) to Michigan Industrial Tools which depends on China for manufacturing. Maybe this doesn’t bother most so called Libertarians but Amash is less than forthcoming about his devotion to his Chinese Puppet Masters. It does explain why he hates Trump so much. With Amash it is about money not a silly devotion to flag and country. In short he is a traitor

        2. So let’s vote for Trump because he has none of those! Great logic, bro!

          I’m starting to get that the Trump boot lickers here can only think in extremes.

          1. As opposed to what you would lick on Biden? Perhaps you’d start with his diminutive pudendum?

            1. very funny perhaps Tara can shed more light on his small Johnson

          2. “think in extremes”

            That’s rich coming from you, Jeff.
            How many socks are you using in this thread alone to spaz out about Trump? Three? Four?

          3. Amash is a traitor to this country, Biden is a useless tool. Trump has issues but you add up his positives against his negatives and I don’t see another choice. Amash is in the pocket of the Chinese, is for the equivalent of open borders and pro progressive climate change initiatives. All the while buying into the despicable Russia collusion hoax. I guess this is the face of the current Libertarian party which has much more in common with Progressive Socialists than Conservatives or Republicans. Amash and Weld in 2020 …what losers.

      3. If so, why does he want power over other people?

      4. Even Theodore Roosevelt failed as a 3 party candidate. A third party candidate will draw the most votes from the major party candidate with the more similar policies.

      5. Amash, with all the character, integrity, and decency to betray the voters who put him in office.

      6. “I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that’s in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” – Amash.
        ^Just another big government leftist. If you don’t like what the law meant as it was passed just reinterpret it! No need to pass a new law.

    3. “Practical” certainly rules out Amash if he thinks he can win this – but it also rules out Biden, and nearly all of the other Democratic candidates. In fact, except possibly for Tulsi Gabard, none of the Democrats could hit one out of four, and Biden misses all four. Trump might be practical and capable, but he only approaches honest when his habit of running his mouth is running before his brain starts lets something true slip out along with all the BS, and he’s certainly not normal.

      I can’t think of a President, or even of a nominee, that meets all four of those criteria since Eisenhower – and maybe I just don’t know enough about Ike, who retired when I was in 2nd grade. Why would anyone described by that list _want_ to be President?

      1. Correction: none of the Democrats could hit _two_ out of four.

        Amash’s worst flaw is perfectionism. It’s had him voting against nearly all legislation, since Congress can never resist adding pork to any popular bill. And it caused him to set the bar for impeachment very low.

        1. It gave us Bill Clinton and his pig

          Amash’s worst flaw is the fact he is owned by the Chinese

        2. Amash perfectly supported the #DeepState coup.

    4. Has he ever had a real job? It’s as unserious as Wet Willie Weld’s primary challenge. Gary Johnson, as woefully unprepared to compete as he was, was a governor and self-made businessman. Amash is a whiny little twat who rode the tea party into a seat that he can’t win anymore. So, we’re gonna elect him president because he is getting fired from the one quasi-job he had? And Reason’s fake libertarians are going to jock him?

      You get more libertarianism once both party establishments are destroyed and the stranglehold of acceptable ideas (no forever wars, no nanny state, etc) is loosened. Amash trying to play spoiler to protect the Dem establishment is self-defeating.

  2. Something tells me Reason’s Amash fetish is going to be more tiresome than Shikha’s immigration fantasy.

    1. Only for the next few months. If that.

    2. Thank you although I would argue that Shikha is simply tiresome. Not sure if she is being paid to be this way but certainly she reminds me of a rather large boil I once had on my ass.

  3. lmao. okay. That’s the hallmark of our political class.

  4. Normal for who? Normal for Beltway sophisticates is different from middle class, public educating suburbans is different from blue collar, scraping by, small business owners is different from lower class, substance addicted, welfare dependents.

    1. I took the normal comment to relate to the description (conjured by opponents of Trump) as an odd, self centered fout for himself person. Trump has sacrificed income as President and supports policies that attempt to lift the welfare of all American citizens. Some of the tilt in policy to the advantage of upper income people is attributable to views of the the Congressional and Senate legislatures during Trump’s first 2 years.

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  6. I do not think anybody finds much appeal these days in a politician that lies with eloquence.

    Secondly, Amash’s support of the Mueller coup is a deal breaker. No honest libertarian or libertarian leaning conservative can overlook that.

    1. Why do you say that? Most “honest libertarians” I know think that every president has done something for which he should have been impeached.

      1. I say it because Amash was a cheerleader for what is slowly, but surely, shaping up to be on the biggest political scandals in American history. I am talking about his endorsement of the entire Mueller fiasco.

        If Amash went after Mueller and his goons with even a fraction of the indignation with which he went after William Barr (for correctly summarizing Mueller’s conclusions), I could perhaps convince myself that he simply let himself get carried away in the moment based on incomplete evidence.

        But the evidence is now clear, and Amash has not once apologized or acknowledged his errors. If Amash condones intelligence agencies plotting to remove a duly elected president from office, fabricating evidence, pressuring members the administration with false charges, spying on campaign members, lying to courts, obtaining warrants based on false pretenses, etc., how is this not disqualifying?

        1. Sorry, I’m confused. What were the impeachment charges that were brought against Trump and that Amash supported? Was it Mueller and Russia or Ukraine?

          1. Both were ridiculous but my main gripe is that Amash was pushing for Trump’s impeachment based on Mueller’s report.

            1. I was pissed not because Amash used the report, but that he lied about its contents and parroted purposefully dishonest talking points cribbed from the DNC.

        2. Amash is a fraud and his support of his Chinese interests should disqualify him for public office. He clearly doesn’t have a handle on the Constitution (maybe his upbringing) but you bring upo a great point that he seemed to ignore the rampant abuses of the Mueller team, the FBI and the Obama Administration… I kept asking myself why? I couldn’t help but think it had to be the fact most of his money comes from the family tool company and it’s ties to China.

    2. What a weird hill to die on. He voted to convict the President for blatantly corrupt and impeachable behavior. The fact that every president commits blatantly corrupt and impeachable behavior on a regular basis is irrelevant. This is the only time he got to vote on it. If he had voted to acquit some other president for the same conduct then you would have something to complain about.

      1. Still holding out hope that Trump is a Russian puppet, huh?


      2. He voted to convict the President for blatantly corrupt and impeachable behavior.

        What, like giving Iran cash that was then spent to attack American troops? Which was absolutely predictable by everyone on Earth?

        That kind of ‘impeachable behavior’? Something about material aid to enemies of the United States?

        The fact that every president commits blatantly corrupt and impeachable behavior on a regular basis is irrelevant.

        I think it might matter, at least a little, on what behavior we’re specifically talking about…right?


        1. The fact that every president commits blatantly corrupt and impeachable behavior on a regular basis is irrelevant.

          Intended to be italicized as a quote above, HTML fail.

        2. But at least Amash pushed for Obama’s impeachment?
          He did do that, right?
          I mean, it would be ridiculously transparent if he didn’t…

          1. Oddly enough, I don’t remember that happening. I guess it turns out his principles aren’t that valuable after all unless the person isn’t popular. Then he figures he can punch them and no one will care.

            Turns out, people cared. A lot.

    3. So, you don’t like politicians who lie with eloquence, and in your mind that translates to Trump is completely incoherent — here’s the guy to vote for!!!

      1. Most of Trump’s “lies” are usually you and your ilk purposefully and deliberately misinterpreting colloquialisms and figures of speech, cherrypicking context or outright fabricating shit.

        The “Trump told people to inject bleach” lie of last week is a good example.

        You’re such a despicable clown, Jeff.

      2. lovetrumpspending1789
        May.1.2020 at 5:44 pm
        “So, you don’t like politicians who lie with eloquence,..”

        That lying POS was termed-out in 2017.

  7. I don’t know if posting an image of Amash with halo beams flashing out of his head like he’s Jesus or the Reverend Moon is supposed to be ironic, but I hope so.

    1. Needs to be riding a unicorn.

      1. Naked perhaps? He is such a turd

  8. This was not true during the 2016 primaries.

  9. Well, rather than raise such unrealistic expectations, Amash can start small and make me a unicorn and rainbow sandwich.

  10. Justin Amash: People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’

    Well, then suggest one so we can get moving on campaigning for that person. Honesty means someone who doesn’t support the coercive power of the federal government to conduct witch hunts against political opponents so we know Amash isn’t talking about himself.

    I’m sure Amash would agree that don’t need a vanity candidate, an attention-seeker who changes his party affiliation a few months before an election; surely he would agree that such a thing would represent a cynical ploy, unrelated to any principled candidate.

    I wonder if we supports finding a candidate with significant accomplishments that have worked to advance libertarian goals. Does anyone know if naming Post Offices is part of the libertarian platform?

    1. What Presidential candidate is not vane?

      1. Anyone of them without a stick up his ass with an arrow and a whirligig on top.

    2. I wonder how Amash feels about drafting the President? No one who fits his list _wants_ the job.

    3. I am sure he would add “You a President that won’t adversely impact our relationship with China” in other words you want a President who will eagerly sell this country out to the Chi-coms.

  11. //Honesty means someone who doesn’t support the coercive power of the federal government to conduct witch hunts against political opponents so we know Amash isn’t talking about himself.//

    This.

    I don’t see how anyone that claims to be a libertarian can ignore this.

    1. Easy. Orange Man Bad.

      That really is the simple and obvious answer, not that those are always correct or anything. Seems to fit in this case, though.

      1. Easy. Anything Orange Man does is ok because he triggers the Libs.

        1. That is what partisans say.

          I guess I’ll be over here by myself pointing out the bad things he does while acknowledging the good things he does.

          Trump is a deregulator, for the most part, which seems easy for Libertarians to forget even though it’s the single most useful thing a modern Republican has done in any Libertarian sense.

          1. Don’t forget his deregulation of the process to become a citizen. He’s also done that!

            1. Is immigration law something the President controls? Well, I suppose it is if you’re Obama.

              I note Congress still hasn’t bothered passing any real immigration reforms. Weird, right? It’s like no one actually gives a shit about people who can’t legally vote and aren’t citizens of the government that’s keeping them out.

              Guess they’ll have to stage yet another communist revolution in their home countries after all. I imagine you’ll cheer them on.

          2. … you are trying really fucking hard to like that guy. Even NR admits he’s accomplished virtually nothing on dereg. He’s been a fucking failure as you know. Keep deluding yourself.

            https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/12/31/deregulatory-disappointment/

            1. You might want to read that article. The reason why they’re ‘not happy’ about him is because he didn’t change water into wine, even while they note the many actions he’s actually taken to reduce regulation.

              1. They get bonus points for blaming Trump for Courts blocking him literally every step of the way, too. Because it’s totally reasonable to expect the State to allow itself to be pruned back without a fight.

                1. … I did read that article. If he’s been totally blocked and ineffective by the bureaucrats, then how on earth do you arrive at the conclusion that it’s the most useful thing done by a modern Republican?

                  For Christ’s sake, you’ll twist yourself into pretzels to slobber on this guy’s knob.

                  1. I mean, if you read the article it doesn’t seem like you understood any of it. Did you maybe just do a search for a conservative outlet and skim the title without reading the body of it? It’s been known to happen.


                    But outside groups would not stop hauling the administration into court, and there is little reason to think that future Congresses are any more likely to pass far-reaching reform legislation than were the Republican majorities in Trump’s first two years. Given three years of experience under Trump, those of us who wish to see America’s administrative state brought to heel must recognize what a long and difficult slog awaits us.

                    That’s the final paragraph, did you read it? Or do you just disagree with them and think the water can be changed to wine overnight?

                  2. I did read that article

                    I suspect you didn’t.

                    1. I’m not sure.
                      It’s possible the new troll is just stooooopid enough to have read the entire thing and not understood a word of it.

  12. ‘People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’

    I disagree. People want a president whom they can foist their personal responsibilities on to, and who in return will give them everything they ask for. Obviously people will disagree on what should be done or given and the candidate who wins is the one who offers the most platitudes to the widest range of people, or at least doesn’t offend the most people by saying they will take away what those people want.

  13. So… it’s a choice between him and Biden. Ok, I can deal with that.

    1. Sorry, Marx didn’t get the D nod, shitstain.

      1. He’s more of a fan of Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.

        1. Well they did have alot more kink that Uncle Karl. Those kulaks and wreckers weren’t going to organize themselves, mind you.

          1. God forbid individuals be left alone to live their lives in peace.

          2. American Socialist
            May.1.2020 at 2:44 pm
            “Well they did have alot more kink that Uncle Karl…”

            Real fan of mass murderers, we see.

  14. While I have Libertarian sympathies, I will not vote for a Libertarian Presidential candidate until the party has significant presence in Congress. Jimmy Carter was a compromise candidate because none of the major Democrat factions could muster a majority at the convention. In consequence, he arrived in Washington with his party in control of both houses of Congress…and no allies there. Now, with allies in Congress he might have been just as ineffectual a President, but it’s clear that he paid too much in political capitol to get what little he did accomplished. A third party President would have it even worse.

    Get some Congresscritters elected. THEN talk to us about Presidential candidates.

    1. You actually want a president who can get things done?

      You know what that means, right? It means more war, more spending – Obamacare?

      1. It depends on what you mean by “get things done”.

        Yes, starting wars, expanding regulation, and increasing government spending have traditionally been what we expect of a President that “gets things done”. If, however, you define “get things done” as ending wars, cutting the red tape, and balancing the budget, then heck, yeah, I want a President that “gets things done”!

        To a large degree, the support I give President Trump (hard won, incidentally — I didn’t vote for him the first few times around), it’s because he earned it. And he earned it by pushing for deregulation, and by largely being hands off in this pandemic, encouraging governors to take charge, and generally using his emergency powers to cut red tape rather than push for more power.

        He is by no means perfect, but in many ways, he’s significantly better than anything we’ve seen in the White House in a *long* time!

  15. Trump has managed to accomplish more libertarian goals than any president in memory without even hinting he is anything like a libertarian.
    Amash, even if elected, could do nothing of the sort, regardless of his claims of ‘pure Scottish descent’.

    1. Yeah, like 25% unemployment. He’s a regular Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

      1. This is super dishonest, even by your standards.

        1. I mean, it’s true if you assume Trump invented COVID I suppose. Or if you assume he’s the one that shut down State economies.

          That neither of those things are true doesn’t stop the true believers.

          1. Geesch, about half of the rhetoric coming out of the GOP is excuse making for why the economy suddenly looks like 1932 again. “WHo would have though the Iraqis were going to actually start shooting after we invaded them?” “There’s a very contagious disease in China that is rapidly spreading. You mean we should be held responsible for our fucking dithering and the fact that a million people are now infected and the economy sucks?” That’s so unfair! Poor Dear Leader and poor GOP suckoffs– there’s always another excuse for why they don’t really suck as much as it appears!

            1. You’re right, if Obama were still President COVID wouldn’t even exist and we’d have negative unemployment right now.

            2. Huh, so Trump shut down New York?

              That’s a new one.

              This is the fault of idiot governors, and I include Texas in that statement. All I can blame the Fed for, in this case, is helping along a panic that was probably going to happen anyway due to ‘accurate news reporting’ that mostly consisted of loudly shitting pants.

              I do note that you somehow still believe that there was ever a way to ‘contain’ COVID. That’s magical thinking, but you’re no stranger to that.

            3. Yet it’s you progs screaming to keep the shutdown going as long as possible. Your hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

              Just admit you want to break the country so you can shove communism down our throats. I would at least respect your honesty.

            4. American Socialist
              May.1.2020 at 2:35 pm
              “Geesch, about half of the rhetoric coming out of the GOP is excuse making for why the economy suddenly looks like 1932 again….”

              You.
              Are.
              Full.
              Of.
              Shit.

            5. This only happened under Trump because of a plague. What’s FDR’s excuse?

              What’s more, FDR is considered a pinnacle of Presidential competence! If this is Democratic competence, I’d hate to see what an incompetent Democrat would do.

    2. Whatever GOP suckoff

      1. Fuck off, DNC shill.

      2. American Socialist
        May.1.2020 at 12:37 pm
        “Whatever GOP suckoff”

        Only your daddy cares about your homoerotic fantasies, shitbag.

    3. … more libertarian goals… than any president in memory?

      You mean that 4 trillion dollar deficit, right?

      Go ahead, crow about deregulation, which saved… all of $50 billion over 3 years.

      Gorsuch is as good as it gets, and the only reason he got appointed is because Trump is too stupid to understand the concept of Chevron deference.

      1. Trump is bad on spending, it’s true. The bar for ‘most libertarian recent President’ is so low that deregulation would appear to count.

        Riddle me this: how would President Amash cut the deficit? Oh, wait, he could do that in Congress. How’d that go?

        1. Deregulation of about 17bn a year in a trillion dollar economy does not count.

          I’m not even saying Amash would be better, but I can at least imagine he wouldn’t moronically cut taxes without a corresponding reduction in spending. Even Obama managed to gradually lower the deficit (with some up years too) before Trump blew it out.

          If the Dem is arguably better, I can imagine Amash would be better than that.

          We may not being on the same wavelength though. I’m not really the “Orange Man Bad” type, but I also don’t view lower taxes as unambiguously good, if everyone wants the spending anyway.

          1. Regulation directly controls our individual lives. Less of it is pretty much always a better deal than the alternative in my view, even if it happened to somehow raise the deficit (which is not a likely outcome of less regulation).

            Since ‘cutting the deficit’ was literally never an option on the table, I suppose I’ll take the best of the available options.


            I can at least imagine he wouldn’t moronically cut taxes without a corresponding reduction in spending.

            Ah, I see you haven’t met the Republican or Democrat parties before. Welcome to Earth!

            This may come as a shock, but when you lower taxes Government revenue tends to go up depending on the rates. I know, it must be unpossible but I’d love to hear your opinion on those studies.

            While I admit you can’t attack a deficit on the taxation side, you’ll note Democrats and Republicans agree: spending is good. Why expect Trump to change that?

          2. Ygrittesngravy
            May.1.2020 at 4:06 pm
            “Deregulation of about 17bn a year in a trillion dollar economy does not count…”

            You.
            Are.
            Full.
            Of.
            Shit.

    4. “Trump has managed to accomplish more libertarian goals than any president in memory without even hinting he is anything like a libertarian.”

      # LibertariansforProtectionism
      # LibertariansforanewIronCurtain
      # LibertariansagainstChinksandBeaners
      # LibertariansforAuthoritarianism
      # FUCKOFFANDDIESLAVER

      1. Fuck off and die, slaver.

    5. Like presiding over a 3.6 trillion cash giveaway with little oversight?

      1. Do Presidents write checks from the treasury? Let me guess, if he hadn’t signed it you’d be bitching that he wanted grandma to die in the streets but happy that his veto was overwritten.

        Congress gave a guy they literally just impeached 3 trillion dollars with few strings attached. Does that sound sane to anyone on Planet Earth?

  16. I’m sorry it’s your job to put forth The Amash. you may not be, but I am.

  17. People want a leader. They are not looking for perfection. Amash might be bright and capable and honest and all that. But that does not translate into being a political operator or a leader at all. Case in point, he didn’t get what he wanted as a Republican, so he stomped away. He wanted an impeachment (which he got) and he got no credit for it – all that horror is on the democrats. Can you think of one important piece of legislation that Amash got passed? If you can’t get it done in Congress, exactly how would he succeed as President? And furthermore trust in Amash as president in Congress or the public is probably about where Trump or Biden would be anyway. Because they don’t know him, and he’s not shown he has much loyalty or faith.

    As much as I would love a Congress of bright smart capable honest people and a President to match, who work within the framework of the Constitution and uphold principles of limited government, that ain’t what we have today and one man isn’t going to change that. What we do have is an easily scared citizenry and a demonic democrat party willing to manipulate and abuse their constituents. That is what Amash is up against.

    Finally, I’ve said it before – no libertarian has gotten an electoral vote except through a faithless elector. He will not get to participate in any presidential debates, so few will know about him. He has a chance to pull some votes from both parties, but the likelihood of even playing spoiler is small given our electoral system.

      1. They didn’t call him Dr. No without reason, it’s true.

        That being said, I’m not sure anyone should expect any politician that is that far out into the Libertarian field to get anything passed, ever.

        1. I’m not sure anyone should expect any politician that is that far out into the Libertarian field to get anything passed, ever.

          Exactly my point. “He gets nothing done” is not the way to persuade libertarians to be against someone.

          1. Eh, it can be since deregulation is technically getting something done.

            I suppose it depends on what that ‘something’ is.

            1. Oh, and I should clarify that we shouldn’t expect someone that far out in the Libertarian field to get anything passed because no one else in Congress is at all Libertarian, rather than Libertarians don’t have idea’s on what they want to pass.

              The fact Ron put forward so many bills to vote on sort of makes that obvious.

          2. I agree. Unfortunately, “will get things done” and “will be capable and practical” is what Amash is actually running on, making him little different from progressives or conservatives.

      2. Indeed: Ron Paul has not been a practical politician. But he has been an inspiring politician who actually has managed to get a lot of people to pay attention to libertarian ideas.

        Amash has failed to be practical, and on top of that, he has failed to be inspiring.

        1. One thing I can certainly say about Ron Paul: he was a true believer and his career reflects that.

          Amash might be a true believer, but if he is I don’t see much evidence of it.

          In fact, lets ask Ron Paul what he thinks about the subject:

          Ron Paul on Trump Impeachment

          Uh oh…

  18. another kamikaze ego manic. i hope he does to Trump what Nader did to gore. likely the bernie bros will go for him and prove they are no match for suburban women, who have kids who they would like to see in covid free classroom.

    1. i hope he does to Trump what Nader did to gore

      Nothing?

    2. “…i hope he does to Trump what Nader did to gore…”

      Poor fucking lefty ignoramuses never admit they lost because their policies are shit.
      Wanna tell us, loser, about how HRC lost to Trump ’cause RUSSKIS!!!?
      You pathetic pieces of shit are always good for a laugh.

  19. Justin Amash: People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’

    Not they don’t. If the did Trump would never have been the Republican candidate and Clinton would be President.

    1. In fact, there were plenty of honest, capable, practical candidates in the Democratic primaries; instead, Democrats chose Sanders and Biden.

  20. Boy, Team GOP is out in force on this one. You go team.

    1. Brought to you by “Socialists for Amash”

    2. You’re doing a good job for Team Commie Traitor.

  21. While I do vote Libertarian, I not so sure that Justin Amash is anything other than an opportunist. I can understand not liking Trump or any other politician, but Justin Amash is so totally anti-Trump that he makes decisions based on what Trump says/does and not based on thought or logic. I want a candidate who agrees with and disagrees with Trump based on specific items based on thought and logic.

    1. Every time Amash disagrees with Trump it’s based on a specific “item”, some thing Trump did or utterance he made. Since he frequently says contradictory and untrue things, it’s a full-time job.

      1. Carry that water, boy

        1. You’ve already stolen the bucket, Trumpian suckoff.

          1. Lol, you get so super mad whenever you feel thwarted.

      2. So Amash should become an CNN commentator or WaPo fact checker; they hire college dropouts to point out all the things that Trump gets wrong. That kind of preoccupation is disqualifying for the presidency, even for progressives.

  22. Normal, honest, practical and capable sounds like me to the Swamp. Would Justin Amash tell Nato members to their faces that they must pay their fair share? Would he announce that the United States would stop giving our money to the WHO? Would he be a critical thinker and when necessary stand up to the warmongers in the intelligence community? Would he push back on extending lockdowns against the health bureaucrats in the NIH and other agencies?

    Becase “normal, practical” doesn’t signal that.

  23. The scary thing about Reason’s Amash boner (and really anyone who has a boner for any politician) is that the politician class is inherently irredeemable scum. You should NEVER trust any of them under any circumstances. Sure, I like Trump, but do you think that means I turn a blind eye and assume everything will be okay?

    Honorable people do not seek out politics today.

    1. Amash has a long voting record if you’re curious whether he can be trusted. I have heard that he explained every vote on social media.

      While I agree almost all pols have some degree of sociopathy, it is possible Amash is just a nerd who takes the process very seriously. That’s my impression.

      1. Omg, he’s so good at virtue signaling!
        *swoon*

      2. Amash has a long voting record if you’re curious whether he can be trusted. I have heard that he explained every vote on social media

        His voting record may be principled, but it certainly isn’t “practical”.

        While I agree almost all pols have some degree of sociopathy, it is possible Amash is just a nerd who takes the process very seriously. That’s my impression.

        Amash doesn’t even understand the process. He actually thinks the process is about electing an honest, capable, practical leader, who will then institute some form of better government to benefit the people (and then he deludes himself into thinking that he is such a leader). That’s not how government or democracy actually works, and it’s certainly not how actual libertarians believe government ought to work.

        1. Amash doesn’t even understand the process.

          I don’t know why you or anyone says shit like this. It’s obviously untrue and it’s a stupid non-observation; surely it’s only meant to discredit him out the gate without supplying a reason. I don’t think you argue in good faith.

          You can say government is fundamentally broken, dishonest, corrupt; that the people in power will never allow an Amash presidency. Those are all true. But that is a sad reality and if Amash wants to try and change it via a wildcard run for president, I am fully in support of that. He has my vote.

          1. I don’t know why you or anyone says shit like this.

            I told you why right in the next sentence: “He actually thinks the process is about electing an honest, capable, practical leader, who will then institute some form of better government to benefit the people“. His belief is false.

            You can say government is fundamentally broken, dishonest, corrupt; that the people in power will never allow an Amash presidency. Those are all true. But that is a sad reality and if Amash wants to try and change it via a wildcard run for president, I am fully in support of that. He has my vote.

            See, and you just proved that you are as deluded as Amash, in two ways. First, you think that Amash won’t succeed because “the people in power” will never allow it; you falsely attribute the fact that Amash doesn’t stand a chance to some conspiracy among nebulous “people in power”. Second, you suffer from the delusion that if Amash came into power and “tried to change” things, things would improve.

            You’re a progressive who wants to put another progressive in charge; you just want to use the “Libertarian” label to do so.

            And let’s not get into the third problem with your point of view, namely that even if Amash managed to get elected, and even if he were a libertarian, he has proven to be utterly incapable of effective political action. That is, if he became president, the federal bureaucracy and Congress would have a field day while he would bloviate in frequent press conferences; like Obama, only worse.

            1. NOYB2, you don’t know shit about me. Kindly stop telling me who I am, what I believe. I know who I am. You do not. Asshole.

              And let’s not get into the third problem with your point of view, namely that even if Amash managed to get elected, and even if he were a libertarian, he has proven to be utterly incapable of effective political action.

              All he has to do is veto most the shit that comes to his desk, explain how this government of laws is supposed to work (the process he is aiming for, not the skullduggery we have now) and “be humble” as he says. I am confident an Amash presidency would be good for liberty.

              1. All he has to do is veto most the shit that comes to his desk, explain how this government of laws is supposed to work (the process he is aiming for, not the skullduggery we have now) and “be humble” as he says.

                Are you serious? You think that is going to lead to more liberty for the American people? Amash would lose the next election, and we’d get an authoritarian that’s so bad that it makes Sanders look like Ron Paul in comparison.

                NOYB2, you don’t know shit about me. Kindly stop telling me who I am, what I believe.

                You keep telling us who you are: a delusional, angry man who believes in massive shadowy cabals, has no idea how politics works, and just wants to put the right men in charge.

                Amash is obviously the right candidate for you.

                I’m glad most American voters have more sense than you.

        2. Amash doesn’t even understand the process. He actually thinks the process is about electing an honest, capable, practical leader, who will then institute some form of better government to benefit the people (and then he deludes himself into thinking that he is such a leader). That’s not how government or democracy actually works, and it’s certainly not how actual libertarians believe government ought to work.

          Yeah – this is my main concern about Amash. He seems legitimately naive and he’s still an “I-think-everyone-should-behave-this-way” type even though he often pays pretty good lip service to libertarian principles in the abstract.

          1. Yeah – this is my main concern about Amash. He seems legitimately naive and he’s still an “I-think-everyone-should-behave-this-way” type even though he often pays pretty good lip service to libertarian principles in the abstract.

            God forbid a libertarian just run for president and win as a libertarian.

            The odds are long. He is facing an uphill battle. Already clouds gather; there is a storm. The comments sections are battlegrounds.

            I think he would be a good president. That’s enough of a reason for me to vote for him, give him money.

            1. God forbid a libertarian just run for president and win as a libertarian.

              Amash is doing neither of those things. He is simply giving us progressive pablum about honest, capable, practical government.

              I think he would be a good president.

              How so? How would Amash cut the budget, cut taxes, privatize Medicare, privatize social security? What alliances would he build and with whom? What’s his political power base?

              How would Amash deal with being accused of being a racist, a fascist, sleeping with Russian prostitutes, bribery? Of having his name dragged through the mud?

              1. It’s not the president’s job to make the law. That’s up to Congress. He tried to do it there and largely failed, because he has no real power without a coalition.

                As executive he can just refuse to accept their sloppy work. Even if all he does for 4 years is stymie Congress, that would be most excellent.

                If you want an autocracy, obviously you wouldn’t want an Amash presidency. If you want government to “do something”, you might not want an Amash presidency.

                1. So, basically, you want a win with an (L) and give literally no shits whatsoever about actual change.

                  This actually tracks with lots of ‘Libertarians’ I know. Maybe even all of them.

                  1. There is no change I want except smaller government. There’s no way to obtain that without a majority in Congress. Calls to revolution and extralegal measures notwithstanding.

                    Amash can slow the growth of government by not signing bills. Trump could have done that. Unfortunately Trump is not guided by a philosophy. He is guided by political expediency, ego, vanity, something.

                    1. The irony is Amash could do something about that in Congress (even though he absolutely hasn’t), but as President he can’t do jack or shit about the things you say you care about.

                      You appear to have the same understanding of government as Amash, so it’s not so surprising you’d support him.

                      What you describe is a beneficent dictator, not a President.

                2. As executive he can just refuse to accept their sloppy work. Even if all he does for 4 years is stymie Congress, that would be most excellent.

                  Even if that were a feasible strategy, it’s not what Amash is promising.

                  If you want government to “do something”, you might not want an Amash presidency.

                  Why not? Amash promises a “normal, honest, practical, capable” presidency. Vetoing most of the bills that come across his desk is not normal. And why would “practical, capable” matter if Amash didn’t intend to “do something”, in fact, “do a lot”?

                  If you want an autocracy, obviously you wouldn’t want an Amash presidency.

                  Obama ran on a fairly classically liberal platform; as president, he became a war mongering, privacy invading, socialist bigot. What people run on and what they actually do are two separate things.

                  1. I have faith in Amash. This faith is based on his work in Congress.

                    You like Trump; Amash wants Trump’s job. I get it.

                    1. Ah, faith. Definitely a winning strategy. It works for the Taliban, why not us?

                    2. I have faith in Amash. This faith is based on his work in Congress.

                      Oh, I have faith that Amash’s record as president would be true to his record in Congress: he would fiddle while Congress and the federal government are slowly destroying our liberties, then he’d fail at reelection and likely get replaced by a serious authoritarian.

                      You like Trump; Amash wants Trump’s job. I get it.

                      I didn’t vote for Trump and I don’t like Trump. But if this were a contest, I would certainly prefer Trump to Amash, because Amash would be a disaster for libertarian causes. That has nothing to do with Amash’s ideology, whatever it may actually be, and more with his lack of political skills.

  24. Should somebody tell Amash that there are very few people in the electorate who think of the Libertarian Party for any of those qualities?

    I have voted Libertarian out of frustration with the two major parties, but I know I am an outlier in the electorate.

    1. That’s no accident either: libertarianism holds that government should be small enough so that the normality, honesty, practicality, or capability of the president simply shouldn’t matter.

      The job of a libertarian presidential candidate is to get people to understand that.

      If libertarians or voters wanted an honest, capable technocrat at the head of government, we wouldn’t need to go to the bottom of the barrel to dig up Amash.

      And mind you, voters don’t want an honest, capable technocrat at the head of government: several of those ran in the Democratic primaries and they lost big time. Even Democrats don’t want people like that.

  25. People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’

    Sounds more like the job ad written by someone looking to hire a farmhand

    1. Calvin Coolidge might have fit that description and, yes, we all think he was awesome. But he would not have a chance today. And it’s debatable whether Amash is very much like him at all.

    2. President farmhand sounds like a good idea!

  26. He’s not wrong on what people want. That just isn’t Justin Amash.

  27. Justin Amash: People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’

    Spoken like the true progressive social democrat that Amash really is. And it’s particularly odd coming from an impractical and unaccomplished politician like Amash, whose prior selling point was that he was at least “principled”.

    See, here is the thing about libertarianism: people don’t want it. The primary job of a libertarian presidential candidate is to get people to realize that what they want right now isn’t good for them in the long run; the primary job of a libertarian presidential candidate is to change minds.

    Every time Amash opens his mouth, he proves that he is no better from the greedy, corrupt, self-aggrandizing pricks we already have in both parties. And unlike Amash, those pricks at least occasionally show a glimmer of capability and practicality.

    1. See, here is the thing about libertarianism: people don’t want it.

      Speak for yourself.

      Every time Amash opens his mouth, he proves that he is no better from the greedy, corrupt, self-aggrandizing pricks we already have in both parties.

      Well since he does this EVERY TIME I’m sure you can point to a wealth of examples.

      1. See, here is the thing about libertarianism: people don’t want it.

        Speak for yourself.

        I’m not “speaking for myself”, I’m pointing out a fact about election outcomes and political identification: overwhelmingly, American voters reject both the Libertarian party and libertarianism.

        Of course, you obviously reject libertarianism yourself.

        Well since he does this EVERY TIME I’m sure you can point to a wealth of examples.

        Yes, just look at the top of this article: Amash advocates the same kind of government that Republicans and Democrats advocate.

        1. I have to say I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said on this page.

          If you’ve ever met a person, they’ll make you realize that libertarian ideals aren’t what people generally want.

          If it was, Democrats would be a dead party in the United States with their promises of free stuff and Republicans would be gone because no one would be freaking out over the cost of all the free stuff.

          This should be obvious to people, but instead they pretend it’s the fault of the government not the people the government represents. Sure, the government can be blamed for a long list of stupid things. But ultimately, the people are to blame. We get more of what we vote for, good and hard.

          1. Thanks. And that’s why I think the most important quality in a libertarian candidate for president is to get people to think, and Amash isn’t good at that. You can tell that from the fact that he muses about what “people want”, instead of approaching the problem as one of selling the people on what libertarians actually offer.

            1. Agree on that point. It’s one reason I think lots of us ended up being lukewarm towards Gary Johnson as well. He couldn’t bring himself to really sell libertarianism, and Weld certainly didn’t help that impression.

          2. Meh..

            I think in the center of the electorate, there’s a pretty strong consensus and there has been for a while around “soft libertarianism”, which is in favor the idea that government shouldn’t be involved in anything more than it has to be.

            The problem for “hard libertarians” is that most people disagree with them about what “more than it has to be” means.

            While the problem for the country as a whole is that lately the political debate hasn’t been dominated by centrists, but rather people on the hard left or hard right — more by the left IMO because I think the left still has institutional power while the right is still reactive at this point — while, on the other hand, movement libertarianism is completely and utterly incapable of filling that void of “soft libertarianism,” since they don’t want to give up on ivory tower policies that aren’t practical and don’t make sense.

  28. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Justin Amash is a good choice but at this point I’d back anyone. Even the economy run by a socialist community organizer who was born in Nairobi. Can we get him back again so he can reduce the deficit by 67% and reduce unemployment to 4% again? Apparently Dear Leader can’t run anything– that is, besides his mouth of course. He’s good at that!

    1. Can we get [Obama] back again so he can reduce the deficit by 67% and reduce unemployment to 4% again?

      Obama ran the country into the ground over his eight years. It didn’t matter who was going to succeed him, we were f*cked. On top of that, Obama seriously hurt minorities during his time in office.

      Without COVID, the economy and markets would have crashed this year or next year anyway.


      1. Without COVID, the economy and markets would have crashed this year or next year anyway.

        But, if could be made to crash this year it might help with a Democrat election.

        I fully expect COVID to stretch out to November.

        1. Trump tried to stretch it out until next year in order to try to win the election. That might or might not have worked. If the market had crashed without anything else, people would have blamed “capitalism”.

          What we got was a crash due to the “China Virus”; Democrats are still going to try to blame capitalism for that one, but it will be a lot harder.

          Democrats may think it’s in their interest to keep this going, but people aren’t stupid: they are seeing what stay-at-home orders are doing to their finances and their economies. Furthermore, Democrats took responsibility: when Trump said he wanted to force states to reopen their economies, they loudly protested.

          Trump did a tolerable job with COVID-19; Democratic governors really screwed up. Maybe the press will succeed in spinning it differently, but a priori, this whole thing hurts Democrats.


          1. Trump did a tolerable job with COVID-19; Democratic governors really screwed up. Maybe the press will succeed in spinning it differently, but a priori, this whole thing hurts Democrats.

            As tolerable as he could be with everyone ripping their hair out in panic I suppose. I doubt anyone would have done a good job. Hysteria isn’t easy to manage, if it’s possible at all.

            Either way, both Democratic and Republican governors screwed up pretty big. Even Texas shut things down.

            You’re probably right about Democrats getting some heat at some point for blocking the reopen, but I think it’s at least possible that everyone will delude themselves into thinking their panic was justified to keep some semblance of self-respect, and I bet that transfers to the politicians in some measure.

            1. You’re probably right about Democrats getting some heat at some point for blocking the reopen, but I think it’s at least possible that everyone will delude themselves into thinking their panic was justified to keep some semblance of self-respect, and I bet that transfers to the politicians in some measure.

              It’s possible that’s how it will be perceived. But we will have a bunch of different approaches to compare. If the sky didn’t fall in the less restrictive states and nations, the more restrictive states end up not looking good.

              And for many workers and small businesses, this is not an academic discussion, this is their basic livelihood and future. I’m not sure officials will get away with “we protected you, and nothing to see here”.

            2. “… movement libertarianism is completely and utterly incapable of filling that void of “soft libertarianism,” since they don’t want to give up on ivory tower policies that aren’t practical…”

              Exactly. The thing about the libertarian movement (I’ve been a registered member of the party for decades) is that it’s utopian and unworkable in the real world. Totally unfettered capitalism (Ayn Rand et al.) is wonderful in theory and what it could accomplish given a real chance in some fantastical future would be interesting and possibly astonishing, but that will never happen. I now say let capitalism rip (even the Chinese commies caught on to that) but quash monopolies and level the playing field for all imaginative entrepreneurs, and tax the billionaires far more. Encourage mom ‘n’ pop to become the billionaires of the future, thereby lifting all boats.

      2. Yeah Obama sure hurt minorities by having the GALL to ask cops to stop shooting unarmed kids. Bit what a divider! If only people would just silently submit to being murdered by cops, we could be free of this “divisiveness!”

        Before you sit down to compose your kneejerk response, consider what would have happened at the MI state capitol the other day if the armed masked guys were BLM members using THEIR 1st and 2A rights to protest the abuses against 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendment rights….

    2. Poor Amash…
      his strongest defender in the comments is an authoritarian fuck who literally calls himself “American Socialist” and waxes nostalgic for Barack H. Obama.

    3. American Socialist
      May.1.2020 at 2:39 pm
      “Desperate times call for desperate measures…”

      Not assholes like you and that lying POS Obo.

  29. Wonder why dems are shitting the most bricks over Amash’s candidacy so far? I thought libertarians were part of the alt.right Trump cult already, so they should have nothing to worry about, right?

  30. “Justin Amash: People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.:

    No, people want a president who gets shit done. You’re not him.

    1. One thing the government excels at is taking the product of our labor and turning that into piles of shit. In that sense you are correct. If people want more of it that is what they get.

      Libertarians promise you nothing. It is a hard sell.

      1. Most people want a president who will shit on their opponents above all else. That’s getting shit done for ya

      2. Libertarians promise you nothing. It is a hard sell.

        Libertarians promise that. But Amash promises, and I quote: “normal, capable, practical, honest” government. That is, Amash promises a return to the status quo of progressive technocracy.

        1. Grilling GWB over his boilerplate responses was a favorite pasttime of the left before Obama. You myopic obsession with reason’s tag is telling.

          You have no arguments. You are foolish, but you think you’re wise because you see obvious political realities, and just accept them as the state of things.

          1. One might think a return to ‘normal’ would be a return to…whatever things were right before Trump. Specifically, a time when Amash was less of a joke. I bet he misses those days. Not sure how anyone could possibly translate that into radical change in any way, shape, or form.

            It’s fine though, Amash was positioning himself as a typical Republican to attract the Never Trumpers. Or, at least, that was his plan before he stabbed himself in the ear with a pencil by pissing off the party and had to serve his time in the penalty box of the Libertarian party.

          2. You myopic obsession with reason’s tag is telling.

            That isn’t “Reason’s tag”, that’s a quote from Amash. And it summarizes Amash’s viewpoints quite well.

            because you see obvious political realities, and just accept them as the state of things

            I want to change political realities. For that to happen, we need people with charisma and the ability to inspire people for libertarian causes. A string of washed up Republicans whose main claim to fame is that they are more “normal” than Trump is not going to accomplish that.

            And, you’re right, I don’t have any arguments, I simply have a prediction: Amash is going to be irrelevant. I doubt he’s even going to be nominated by the LP.

  31. So that leaves Justin Amash out.

  32. Strange how there are no libertarians on Reason’s comment boards. One or two, but swamped by the alt-right and russian trolls. Does anyone know the story behind this?

    1. They left in the great exodus.

    2. Fuck off Jeff. Your socks aren’t fooling anyone.

    3. Robes Pierre
      May.1.2020 at 6:48 pm
      “Strange how there are no libertarians on Reason’s comment boards…”

      We got plenty of scumbag lefties like you.

      1. I forgot. Are you a Russian Troll, or a Neo-Nazi? Or both?

  33. Vote for Amish and help elect a Democrat to office.

    1. That’s not fair to the Amish. The Amish are more libertarian than any of the people running for office right now.

  34. Justin Amash: People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’ I think people are wising up to the fact that all four is setting the bar too high for today’s politicians. We’ve settled for the last two, which is two more than any opposition party can provide.

  35. Amash needs to define “people”.

  36. “…People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’…”

    Oh fuck off, I want a “conservative” supreme court. I don’t care who the president is. I was very worried that if Trump was elected it would be chaos. Well he was, and it is. And it turns out it really doesn’t matter. A Presidency is so much more than a President. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch validate the election of Trump. There’s a good chance RBG will bow out and maybe Thomas wants to retire. We need another 4 years of a conservative president for that alone and I don’t care who it is. Go for it Amash, just make sure you steal more of Biden’s support than Trump’s.

  37. Huh. I read the interview transcript and didn’t hear any questions or answers about Amash’s business dealings in the PRC. In his 2016 House Financial Disclosure Report, Amash said he had assets worth $1 to $5 million in a company called Tekton, Inc. (Michigan Industrial Tools), which is owned by Dynamic Source International, a PRC company. He also said he pulled in $100K to $500K annual income from the company and was by far his major source of income that year.

  38. Nah. All any rational person should want is a president who will tell congress to go screw itself while he goes off playing golf for the entire 4 years of his presidency and forces the congress to vacant their post the entire time. Such a man would even make a worthy dictator, stopping the government from running as it would be.

  39. Amash? An anti-Semitic mouth piece who hates Israel and calls himself a Libertarian.
    That’s the “Normal Person” he says we should vote for?

    1. It will certainly be played like that if he starts to poll very well..

  40. “People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.” AKA “I’m gonna try to be the Trump spoiler in the election for sleepy Joe”

  41. Why isn’t there a challenger to Trump who actually wants to do what Trump said he wanted to do but hasn’t yet? Like, say, build a wall and deport all the immigrants? Because as much as I am disappointed with Trump, there is no way I’m voting for anyone who is pro-immigration. No way, no how. Foreigners are not the proximate cause of America’s demise, but, foreigners sure vote for those responsible for America’s demise in huge numbers.
    90% of foreigners vote against “libertarianism,” and vehemently so. So, Reason gang, how can you say you’re for “libertarianism” when you support policies that guarantee that liberty will be annihilated off the face of the earth forever and ever and ever?

    1. So, you think President Trump had bipartisan support and it’s solely his fault the wall hasn’t been completed and all illegals deported?

  42. Hopefully the people that commented on this interview do not represent the best of Reason readers. Simply moronic.

    1. Are you including your own comment in your survey?

    2. Try Slate. The people here are Rhode Scholars in comparison.

  43. I have no interest in voting for a candidate who is normal. I’m voting for the cantankerous son of a bitch who currently occupies the office.

    1. God for you. At least you know what you are getting when you vote for Trump. I get that people like his policies, but his conspiracy peddling to get the crowds worked up pisses me off. I get really annoyed by the Trumpistas who pretend that he walks on water and never tells lies. Of course, the liberals make him out to be a cartoon villain, which is equally silly. I am going to write in Tulsi For the presidential election. California, where I live, I is going for the Democrats no matter who I vote for, and I know I am going to hate Biden’s running mate.

      1. I get really annoyed by the Trumpistas who pretend that he walks on water and never tells lies.

        All politicians lie when they open their mouths. The only difference between Trump and the others is that Trump is particularly bad at it, and that Trump usually lies about things that don’t matter.

        Now, Obama lied about stuff that really mattered, and he was so good at it, he sounded presidential and intellectual while telling blatant lies.

  44. “Justin Amash: People Want a President ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.'”
    Which would not be you…….

  45. You know the jewish lobby will destroy this guy if he comes anywhere near the white house in polling. Hell they destroyed Bernie and he is jewish…

    No criticism of Israel is to be tolerated ever…even if it is right for American policy…you even suggest whatever govt in charge in Israel might be pursuing policies which are not in our self interest and you are done baby….I only wish libertarians and even other ethnic groups could ban together to ensure govt policy promotes our self interest….Irish? Catholic? Italian?

  46. Says who based on what? So, that’s his first broadside into his now inevitable retirement from politics? Pretty lame…

  47. I think a lot of us are looking at Trump and Biden, and say, “Pull a warm blooded humanoid biped out of a crowd, and he is likely to be more capable at being POTUS than either of these two guys.”

    It would have been better if he could have challenged Trump in a series of Republican primaries first, and tried to persuade him not to run for a 2nd term. What the Democrats are essentially proposing is a coalition type arrangement with a senescent old mad, Biden, as a figurehead. Biden leads Trump in the polls, but most people who vote for Biden understand that this is basically what they are voting for.

    1. dougwesterman
      May.1.2020 at 10:28 pm
      “I think a lot of us are looking at Trump and Biden, and say, “Pull a warm blooded humanoid biped out of a crowd, and he is likely to be more capable at being POTUS than either of these two guys.”…”

      Grow up. You and that hag lost.

  48. If allowing Gay Jay and Weld didn’t tell us everything we need to know, this is a sure sign that failed Republican candidates can claim be to “Libertarian”.

    I believed in Austin Petersen, but even he switched parties when it suited him.

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    1. Barry McGuire – Eve of Destruction

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  53. I’ll vote for him. I’ll probably even send him some money.

    1. Note: funneling money from foreign sources to US candidates is illegal.

        1. You need to direct that sentiment to your paymasters, not me. Do they speak German?

          I’m just helpfully pointing out to you what the law currently is, whether I agree with it or not.

      1. cough cough Trump Tower

  54. Amash has already made Vermin Boothead look reasonable by comparison. The prominent mystical bigot we nominated (Ron) got less than one-half-percent of the vote in 1988, and alienated all thinking women under 60. Barr made matters worse. Gary failed to get 1% while endorsing coathanger abortions, but got over three times the vote when he and Weld stood up for individual rights for women. Our original platform stopped Dixiecrats from using the government-regulated medical cartel to endanger and kill pregnant women. Read it, and ditch this suicide vest mystic.

    1. His position on legalized abortion is disappointing.

      1. Not killing babies? You find that disappointing?
        Fucking ghoul.

        1. Libertarianism and anti abortion are incompatible.

          1. The unborn have rights.

  55. I still believe in the old theory that Libertarians should concentrate on running for much lower offices before taking on the highest office in the country. If the electorate see how a libertarian mayor/governor has changed their town/city/state into a fiscal and social success, wouldn’t that still be the best example of freedom at work?

    1. Well, yea, Amash isn’t going to win. Although there’s an argument for putting up visible presidential candidates, since presidential campaigns are still the easiest way to secure ballot access. If a Libertarian presidential candidate just gets 1% of the vote, then a ballot position for state-level candidates is secured for the next election. Amash is currently polling at 1%.

      The problem is ballot access laws which are (designed to be) rigged against third parties. In an ideal world, a third party wouldn’t even have to worry about what to “concentrate” on, because they’d just be a vehicle for the candidates that align with their platform and a prominent Republican or Democrat could jump ship to a third party without worrying that they’d be committing political suicide for all the ballot access issues.

      Though yea I agree with you, if Amash was serious about doing something productive, he’d launch a campaign against Gov. Whitmer and stop worrying about Trump.

  56. I love how so many think that this “deregulation” has helped average Joe. How many people that post here own coal mines or other massive pollutant-causing things? Cause that’s about the only meaningful “deregulation” I’ve seen during Trump’s presidency. Oh and the end of requiring that judicial nominees have actually ever tried a case. And the removal of (informal) regulations saying you can’t be a serious nominee for a cabinet position if you previously thought said department should be disbanded.

    Trump signed the bump stock ban. Obama signed ZERO gun control bills.

    Keep thinking Trump is “helping you” with deregulation though.

  57. A libertarian who supports massive government abuse of power? What’s not to like. And we know he’ll win because he said before he wouldn’t run unless he could win. Yeah, this is totally legit and not more self promotion.
    Come on Reason, another totally viable Libertarian candidate to push.

  58. ‘Who Is Normal, Honest, Practical, Capable.’

    Based on numbers, a libertarian is not normal.
    Which is honest? “I am a Republican”. “I am an independent”. “I am a Libertarian”?
    How practical is running for national office when you are not on the ballot is all jurisdictions?
    We will never know about capable at the presidential level.

  59. Amash is NOT a libertarian. He’s just another egomaniac politician.

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