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Deficits

Here's What Would Happen If We Seized All the Wealth From America's 800 Billionaires

Don't comfort yourself with wishful thinking that millionaires and billionaires could take the entire burden of the deficit off our hands.

Jessica Riedl | 9.9.2025 11:00 AM

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Budget deficits of nearly $2 trillion—and speeding towards $4 trillion within a decade—will force increasingly difficult budgetary trade-offs. Many on the left, and sometimes the populist right, respond with: "Easy, just tax the rich. Problem solved."

But is it really that easy? Can most of these soaring budget deficits be closed by higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations? The answer is an emphatic "no." And that's not a question of ideology, or of picking winners and losers. It's just a matter of unforgiving math: Deficits have grown too big for even aggressive tax-the-rich policies to fix significantly.

Taxing the rich could be part of a broader deficit "grand deal" where all taxes and spending are up for debate. But it could only ever be a modest part of such a deal, because the potential revenue available from taxing the rich can close only a small portion of our nearly unfathomable deficits.

The Limits of Taxing the Rich

Let's begin with an extreme example. America has about 800 billionaires. Imagine we seized every single dollar of their wealth—every home, property, business, investment, car, and yacht, right down to their kids' teddy bears—and sold it all for full market value.

That would raise enough revenue to finance the federal government for 9 months. Not 9 months out of every year: 9 months one time. Then, with no billionaires left to pillage, it's gone—as is your 401(k), because most of that wealth would've been liquidated out of the stock market.

Even taxing million-dollar earners at 100 percent marginal tax rates wouldn't balance the long-term budget. Not even if each of those taxpayers would keep working for zero net pay (and they would not).

Only slightly more realistically, imagine that President Bernie Sanders gets to implement his dream tax proposal: federal income tax rates as high as 52 percent, an uncapped 15.3 percent payroll tax on all wages, and capital gains tax rates of 62 percent—plus the state tax rates on top of those. Sanders also proposed hitting corporations with a world-leading 35 percent corporate tax rate that includes all multinational income, a wealth tax rate as high as 8 percent, an estate tax rate as high as 77 percent, new financial transaction taxes, and several other surtaxes.

Sanders' tax proposal would set marginal income, capital gains, business, wealth, and estate tax rates at their highest levels in the developed world. Total new revenues: approximately 1.5 percent of GDP, after accounting for losses to dampened economic growth. That is a lot of money. But it's not enough to close more than a fraction of a current-policy budget deficit heading toward 8 percent of GDP in the next decade. And even those revenue figures implausibly assume that people and corporations would continue working, saving, and investing despite combined federal and state marginal tax rates on labor and investment that would approach 80 to 100 percent. 

Two years ago, I ran a model that set every upper-income and corporate tax policy at its revenue-maximizing level without regard to economic damage. It showed roughly 1.5 percent of GDP in new revenues and much slower economic growth. This is not a good tradeoff for an economy. The mathematical reality is that there just aren't enough millionaires, billionaires, and undertaxed corporations to close a 30-year budget deficit of between $115 trillion and $180 trillion, depending on the baseline we use. It is not possible to finance annual deficits heading to $4 trillion in a decade and 14 percent of GDP over the next 30 years on the backs of corporations and only 5 percent of American families. There just are not enough super-rich people to pay for the other 300 million of us. And most of the available tax base resides in that large middle class. 

American Taxes are Highly Progressive

Few Americans understand that our tax code is already extraordinarily progressive—more so than any other nation in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). And it's grown radically more progressive over the past 40 years. The top-earning 20 percent now pays 69 percent of all federal taxes, and the top 1 percent currently pays 25 percent of all federal taxes.

By contrast, the bottom-earning 60 percent of Americans—that's 3 out of 5 taxpayers—pay just 13 percent of total federal taxes, including a combined negative income tax.

Last year the federal government funded 263 days of spending by taxes instead of borrowing. Of that, the top-earning 20 percent funded the government for 201 days, or nearly 7 months. The next 20 percent funded 41 days. And the bottom-earning 60 percent of Americans—which means most of the U.S. population including the median-earners—funded the federal government for just 21 days of the year.

That level of tax progressivity might not be a bad thing. But most of the nation's total income comes from families earning under $400,000. And their dramatically lower current tax rates mean that the large majority of the available remaining tax base resides within the tens of millions of these families. No one likes the idea of raising middle-class taxes, but there's only so much revenue to raise from the wealthy, even at exorbitant tax rates.

Answering the Critics 

Advocates of dramatic tax-the-rich policies often claim enormous potential revenues by invoking: 1) the 1950s income-tax brackets exceeding 90 percent; 2) European tax systems; and 3) corporations that paid little to no taxes last year. The reality is different. 

Those 91 percent income tax rates from the 1950s averaged only 7.2 percent of GDP in federal income tax revenues. As the top tax bracket fell to 70 percent in the 1960s and 1970s, income tax revenues actually rose to around 7.8 percent of GDP. And in the time since all the dramatic reductions of the top income tax rates starting in 1981, federal income tax revenues have averaged 8.1 percent of GDP. So Washington collects more income tax revenues as a share of GDP today with a top tax bracket of 37 percent than it collected in the 1950s with a 91 percent tax bracket. In fact, since 1950 the correlation between the highest income tax bracket and revenues as a share of the economy is -0.25 percent, meaning that higher top tax rates are correlated with lower income tax revenues.

How can eras with higher top tax brackets bring in less overall tax revenue? Because the highest income tax brackets don't tell us much about the total income tax revenues. What matters more are the income thresholds for every tax bracket, the amount of tax preferences and tax deductions, whether the tax system encourages tax avoidance and tax evasion, and—most importantly—broader economic growth rates. Those dials can produce more tax revenues than merely raising upper-income tax rates on a small number of taxpayers.

In fact, almost no one actually paid those old 91 percent tax rates, which kicked in at today's equivalent of a $4.1 million annual income. In 1961, that was only 446 families, and it raised just 0.1 percent of all income tax revenues. Moreover, all of the tax brackets between 52 percent and 91 percent collectively produced just 1 percent more income tax revenue than if we had capped those tax brackets at 50 percent. Those tax brackets won't even pay for 2 days a year of federal spending. People are free to advocate 91 percent tax rates, but they should not point to 1950s America as proof that they raise significant tax revenues that way.

What about the claim that Europe has shown how to finance large welfare states on the backs of the rich? In reality, those nations tax the wealthy at similar rates to the U.S. It is their heavy middle-class taxes that produce the typical OECD nations' 7.5 percent of GDP tax revenue advantage over the US across all levels of government. Specifically, every other OECD nation assesses a value-added tax (VAT)—essentially a sales tax—as high as 27 percent. Without the resulting 7.2 percent of GDP in average VAT revenues, U.S. and OECD tax revenues are nearly equal. Even the social democratic Scandinavian countries that collect 14 percent of GDP more than the US do it almost entirely from their VAT and higher payroll taxes—which come from everyone, not just the rich.

America's top tax brackets for income, capital gains, corporate, and estate taxes are actually all slightly higher than those of the typical OECD nations when merging all levels of government. We've got the most progressive tax system in the OECD because we tax the rich at similar rates as those other countries but we tax middle- and lower-earners dramatically less than they do. So if you want America to tax like Europe, then our middle class is going to get the nastiest surprise of its life. Europe is no longer the caricature Americans imagined decades ago.

Finally: Every year we get reports of a handful of corporations that paid little to no taxes that year, or those "Warren Buffet pays less tax than his secretary" stories. The corporate examples are often the result of shifting income and taxes from one year to the next, which means any real analysis should examine a corporation's taxes over a period of several years. And the corporations paying low taxes over many years are typically either earning most of their income abroad and paying foreign taxes, or taking advantage of tax breaks for business investment and R&D that politicians create to encourage those activities.

Either way, eliminating those tax breaks and taxing these companies more could raise perhaps $100 billion a year. That's real money, but it's not a game-changer in the context of those $4 trillion annual deficits we're heading toward. And, of course, we'd lose the business investment and job creation that comes from those bipartisan incentives. 

Today, many wealthy individuals escape short-term income taxes by receiving most income in capital gains or borrowing against their wealth. The capital gains will eventually be taxed when the investments are sold, unless they carry it through to death. Ensuring that capital gains would be taxed at death or that rich people can no longer easily borrow tax-free against their wealth would be logical reforms—but they wouldn't raise revenue of any significance to our deficits. We will still have to make difficult choices on spending or middle-class taxes.

Put Everything on the Table

None of this means we shouldn't tax the rich more. Fixing a ruinous deficit requires putting everything on the table, including higher taxes on the rich. For example, my deficit reduction blueprint would close the loophole that permanently exempts capital gains from taxation if they're held until death. It would also dramatically scale back upper-income and corporate tax loopholes, and fully fund audits against high-earning and corporate tax cheats.

But we must acknowledge the mathematical reality that our budget deficits have grown so enormous that tax-the-rich policies can't close more than a tiny fraction of them. And also, that much of Europe long ago learned the hard way that going overboard on wealth taxes and steep top income and corporate tax brackets can backfire on the economy. That's why their (non-VAT) tax codes have moved closer to ours. A slow-growing economy can't produce enough revenues to cut its deficit no matter how high its tax rates are. We need higher revenues in the least economically damaging way possible. And yes, if we want to stabilize the debt, that means middle-class taxes will have to rise—and federal spending must be significantly pared back. This includes major spending reforms to Social Security and Medicare's staggering 30-year cash shortfall of $124 trillion.

Neither political party is suicidal enough to tell middle-class voters that their taxes and benefits must also contribute heavily to reining in runaway deficits. So we comfort ourselves with the wishful thinking that millionaires and billionaires can take the entire burden off our hands. But beyond the empty rhetoric, you will never see a specific, fully scored proposal to eliminate most of the long-term deficit by taxing the rich—because mathematically, it's just not possible.

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Jessica Riedl is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

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  1. Chumby   13 hours ago

    Eliminate all forms of govt welfare. Close all foreign military bases and cut the War Department budget considerably.

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    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   13 hours ago

      That would save money, but you could cut the entire War Department and you still wouldn't come close to eliminating the deficit. Meanwhile, the delta between the Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services was $1.75 trillion, the same as last year's deficit.

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      1. Chumby   13 hours ago

        All forms of govt welfare takes care of a major bulk of the spending. And puts those things properly back on the individual.

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        1. Stupid Government Tricks   12 hours ago

          I bet you still include SSA and Medicare in that cutting. Ponzi schemes and all that.

          It's absolutely unrealistic. It is politically impossible to suddenly yank pensions away from 80 million old people. You continue to pretend it is easy. It isn't.

          * Most are too old to be as productive workers as they used to be.

          * Even if all were as productive as necessary to get by, you'd increase the labor pool to 250 million adults from 170 million; the unemployment rate would skyrocket.

          * One alternative is forcing all pensioners to move in with their children. But that requires a lot of those children to move to bigger houses, or tell two of their kids to share a bedroom, or convert some other room into a bedroom. The public will not tolerate that, and it couldn't happen fast enough to avoid having pensioners sleeping on couches.

          Until you can provide some half-realistic way to support those 80 million pensioners, SSA and Medicare cannot just be abolished overnight.

          Medicaid? Sure, charities could pick up most of that.

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          1. MWAocdoc   12 hours ago

            We don't have to suddenly yank those pensions. All we have to do is stop all taxation to continue funding social security and allow current earners to fund their own retirements any way they choose. Pay the current pensions at current levels until they all expire. That is EASY and anyone who says it's not simply doesn't WANT to end federal welfare and is looking for excuses to avoid doing it.

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            1. Stupid Government Tricks   10 hours ago

              Do-gooders are going to latch on to every broke retiree as an excuse to bring back FICA and SSA. Just saying "suck it" won't do any good.

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              1. MWAocdoc   7 hours ago

                NOTHING will do any good. What will happen is that sooner or later the government will stop being able to make interest payments on the debt (the definition of bankruptcy), the "full faith and credit of the united states" will become meaningless, they will start printing currency instead of pretending to borrow it, the paper will become worthless and all those broke retirees will starve anyway. Saying "it's hard" or "it won't do any good" applies to both approaches, not just doing what's right. So suck it right back atcha.

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            2. Lester75   8 hours ago

              Before we had Medicare and soc security we had tons of broke old sick people. If we take it away we will again have tons of broke old sick people (who still vote in large numbers even though they are broke and/or sick). People who are living hand-to-mouth just don't save. You need some sort of government-encouraged or default saving program or else you either end up giving them lots of free hospital care anyway which is more expensive than preventative care and meds from Medicare. If they end up dying in the street everyone is voting you out quickly.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

                What was the percentage? What was the age of benefits vs death?

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          2. Chumby   12 hours ago

            I’m not responsible for supporting anyone not in my household. Particularly those that have been thieving from my paychecks. How they manage afterwards is their problem, not mine.

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            1. Stupid Government Tricks   10 hours ago

              That's nice. It won't further your goal if you can't provide any kind of realistic off-ramp from FICA and SSA. Voters won't tolerate pulling the rug out from under 80 million pensioners.

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              1. Chumby   10 hours ago

                Maybe the cooks and maids at the concentration camps shouldn’t have been terminated when those places were liberated by the allies.

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          3. Idaho-Bob   12 hours ago

            You seem to think everyone drawing SS actually needs it. I had an uncle who was well off and drawing SS because "I paid into it goddamnit!" He lived to 84 and was withdrawing way more than he contributed. Either remove the wealthy or cut them off when they reach their contribution level.

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            1. sarcasmic   11 hours ago

              True. I have an aunt who is well off. Spends her SS on veterinary bills to keep her ancient, cancer-riddled dog alive.

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              1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

                I know, right. Think of all the booze you could buy if she just gave it to you.

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            2. Stupid Government Tricks   10 hours ago

              Great. Suppose only 40 million, or 20 million, SS recipients need it. Society won't stand for cutting them all off.

              Besides which, your scheme incentivizes people to NOT save for retirement. It's backwards.

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            3. D.B. Cooper   6 hours ago

              You can't draw more than you contributed. SS averages less than a 2% return and the pay-back is progressive in favor of the poor. Your uncle was getting much less than he paid in.

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              1. EdG   5 hours ago

                MAGAs always think everyone else is as crooked as they are.

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          4. charliehall   10 hours ago

            "charities could pick up most of that"

            Hah! The total charitable giving to all charitable institutions combined last year was $592.50 billion. Total Medicaid spending was $908.8 billion. The federal share was $517.5 billion.

            So close every church that doesn't have a big endowment, every private school, every private university dependent on annual contributions, every museum, every private social service organization dependent on annual contributions -- and you STILL aren't anywhere nearly close to the cost of Medicaid. Which in most states is lousy insurance.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   8 hours ago

              Since you’re retarded, you’re incapable of understanding how much less medical care would cost if we got government out of it. Not o mention all the outright fraud you democrat have fought so hard to protect.

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              1. Lester75   8 hours ago

                Medical care and medicine would cost a lot less if we got profit-making and advertising costs out of it. Getting government out of it won't save all that much.

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                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 hours ago

                  We did not have a hyper-expensive medical system before that dumbass LBJ got Medicare and Medicaid pushed through. In fact, healthcare was about 1/25 the cost on an inflation-adjusted basis, if you consider just the cost of a normal live birth and two nights in a private room.

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                2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

                  No, government is the problem. And Red Rocks’ response to you is correct. Healthcare is expensive because democrats made it expensive. I don’t know why we allow them to exist.

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                  1. Marshal   6 hours ago

                    Healthcare is more expensive because the bundle of services we call healthcare is very different today vs in the 1960s. There were minimal drugs available then, no organ transplants, and far less effective treatment for just about everything.

                    Using the same name to refer to services then and now does not mean we're paying for the same things.

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                3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

                  False. Right now Medicaid pays 92 cents on tbe collar. Medicare 96 cents on the dollar. Below cost. That negative delta gets cost shifted to private plans. Government never is more efficient.

                  Add in all government regulations.

                  Add in ACA.

                  All governments fault dumbass.

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            2. See.More   5 hours ago

              "charities could pick up most of that"

              Hah! The total charitable giving to all charitable institutions combined last year was $592.50 billion. . .

              Just because you can't conceive of what it would look like outside of the status quo doesn't mean... well... it doesn't mean shit.

              You are looking at charitable donations in an environment where the State has arrogated to itself "charitable" functions funded on the backs of the productive. This has two effects; one psychological and the other economic.

              Psychologically, there is the implied message that "the Government is taking care of [insert charitable cause], so individuals don't need to." With that message, individuals are not as compelled to "pick up the slack." Rather, they tend to figure, since the government is already taking care of that, it should expand to take up the slack.

              Economically the people have less to donate. Because the government seizes money from individuals to fund it's "charitable" programs, individuals have less discretionary income to give to charitable causes. Furthermore, because of the tax burden, people have to work more hours to keep enough of what they earn. Thus, they have fewer hours of leisure time to donate in charitable activities.

              Eliminate government largesse, reducing the tax burden in the process, and people will have more to donate, both in time and money.

              The rates of charitable donations that you see now, in the current environment, simply cannot, logically, be used to predict what behavior may be if the environment were to radically change.

              As Representative from Tennessee, Colonel Davy Crockett addressed this very topic:

              I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money.

              It's a shame, and a sham, that Congress has rejected his argument.

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          5. See.More   5 hours ago

            It is politically impossible to suddenly yank pensions away from 80 million old people.

            First, Social Security is not a pension. By definition a pension is paid from an investment fund. Social Security is by no means an invest fund.

            Second, zero serious proposals propose "yank[ing] pensions away" from anyone. Every serious proposal has some cut-off to ensure that those currently, and even those imminently, receiving Social Security continue to do so.

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          6. Sympatica   4 hours ago

            Increase retirement age to 72. Fund the disabled who are less than 72 year old out of the general fund and SS will be OK.

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    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   12 hours ago

      Eliminate the existence of elf the democrat party, imprison/execute all prominent Marxists, and implement McCarthyism to deal with the remainder.

      Everything else is easy after that.

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      1. EdG   5 hours ago

        Better yet, eliminate all Red States. They're all suckling at the Blue State teat because we pay in more to the federal government than we get back.

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        1. Marshal   4 hours ago

          The value of this data point is revealing whose goal is mindless partisanship.

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    3. Uncle Jay   10 hours ago

      Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid take up almost two-thirds of the federal budget.
      I recommend starting cuts there.

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      1. charliehall   10 hours ago

        Go for it! The Republican party will experience the same kind of electoral catastrophe that the Conservative Party experienced last year in the UK.

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        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   8 hours ago

          Yep, because of you democrats this nation will be bankrupt. So remind me, why we should allow your kind to exist?

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  2. Horatio Cornblower   13 hours ago

    [Please define what you mean by "including a combined negative income tax."]

    Oops.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   13 hours ago

      Hilarious.

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    2. Chumby   13 hours ago

      Not everyone can be an editor at Reason.

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    3. Liberty_Belle   13 hours ago

      I knew it.

      They aren't bots, it's worse ... they are lazy high school students.

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  3. Dillinger   13 hours ago

    >>So we comfort ourselves with the wishful thinking that millionaires and billionaires can take the entire burden off our hands.

    who's the "we"?

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    1. Chumby   13 hours ago

      “We” = woke pieces of progressive shit whose lifestyle expectations and Karen hall monitoring desires far exceeds their ability to generate revenue from them applying labor based on their actual skillset.

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      1. Dillinger   13 hours ago

        ah okay cool I was worried there for a second as those beliefs had never crossed my mind

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      2. EdG   5 hours ago

        Chumpy is a fool. And insane, too.

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        1. Chumby   4 hours ago

          Yeah ok there Special Ed.

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  4. Nobartium   13 hours ago

    [Please define what you mean by "including a combined negative income tax."]

    So who's the actual editor around here?

    It sure as hell isn't the top 7 contributors.

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  5. Red Rocks White Privilege   13 hours ago

    There's nothing wrong with taxing wealthy people, but the bullshit promulgated by the left that we could pay for all the free shit they want if we did so is what the real issue is.

    Europe has the systems they do because we pay for their military-industrial complex AND even lower class people get a shit-ton of their income taxed to pay for this stuff. What fuckheads like Bernie and Sandy Cortez claim is that it ALL can be paid for by "the rich," whatever the fuck that means besides "everyone that makes >$1 more than you."

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    1. MWAocdoc   12 hours ago

      Actually, Europe experimented with the "tax the rich" theory and the "wealth tax" thingie for us so we don't have to try it. It failed miserably and every country that tried it had to backpedal rapidly to avoid losing their most productive wealthy people and their investment portfolios. Only "punish the rich" communists pretend not to understand that.

      The wealthiest tax brackets already pay more than 75 percent of the taxes in America and their share has been growing steadily over the last several decades, so the claim that they don't pay their fair share is false. Add to that the fact that actual income tax revenues have never varied by more than plus or minus one percent over the last eight decades regardless of the maximum bracket tax rates from more than 90% down to the lowest rates. So changing the tax rates doesn't work either.

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      1. Neutral not Neutered   11 hours ago

        Sweden removed the progressive taxes and made a flat tax paid the same by all income level earners.

        They lost major corporations and the tax revenues of the rich who moved under this "eat the rich" tax philosophy.

        Oh and their pandemic response was also accurate.

        Anyone who follows Bernie Sanders today is simply stupid. Funny how Bernie, as an independent, is demanding the democrats accept Mamdami and his ideas. When they refuse to actually support Bernie.

        The democrats will stupidly continue with their tired out of date and failed policy ideas, fear mongering and hateful attacks until the mid terms when they lose more seats.

        Then Bernie will retire and the rest of the extreme left of the democrats will be pushed aside and the more centrist democrats will reemerge for an attempt at 2028.

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        1. sarcasmic   11 hours ago

          Citizens! In all times, two political systems have been in existence, and each may be maintained by good reasons. According to one of them, Government ought to do much, but then it ought to take much. According to the other, this twofold activity ought to be little felt. We have to choose between these two systems. But as regards the third system, which partakes of both the others, and which consists in exacting everything from Government, without giving it anything, it is chimerical, absurd, childish, contradictory, and dangerous. Those who parade it, for the sake of the pleasure of accusing all Governments of weakness, and thus exposing them to your attacks, are only flattering and deceiving you, while they are deceiving themselves.

          -Bastiat

          https://www.gutenberg.org/files/15962/15962-h/15962-h.htm#e3

          Sweden, Norway and other countries fall into that first group. Government does much, and it takes much. The middle class pays out the nose, but they also have a lot less to worry about.

          The U.S. is the third system. People want everything from government, but they want someone else to pay for it. So we get a progressive tax system and massive deficits.

          What's the solution? Become system one or system two. Pay more, or expect less.

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          1. charliehall   9 hours ago

            "Welfare" dates to the middle ages and was enshrined formally in the famous "An Acte for the Releife of the Poore" which the Parliament of England and Wales enacted in 1601, at the end of the reign of Queen Elizabeth I. (Note that spelling was still changing back then.) It set up a fairly generous welfare system, mostly administered by the Anglican Church parishes. (Church and state were not at all separate in England and Wales back then.) Every English colony set up a similar system; in the few colonies where there wasn't an Established Church, the local government administered the system. George Washington's first civilian executive position was as a Warden of his Parish, which meant he was responsible for administering the poor funds and for collecting the taxes to support it. Those who couldn't work were given shelter in poorhouses or almshouses if family members could not support them. Those who could work but didn't have jobs were given make work jobs in workhouses. Those who could work but refused were charged with vagrancy. While there were amendments to the law over time, the system continued into the 1830s. The level of taxation became oppressive in the poorer parts of the country and helped lead to migration to urban areas. Adam Smith, among others, criticized this aspect of it.

            After the 1830s, cruelty became an "in" think in the UK and gave Dickens a lot of material.

            On the continent, Bismarck noticed and instituted a much more efficient and effective social welfare system in the new German Empire in the 1880s. His near universal health insurance program was the first to be enacted, in 1881. It is still basically in place and could be a model for the US but for the nutty far left insistence on a totally government run program and the cruel far right insistence that people be left to die without healthcare. An accident insurance plan followed in 1884; it was the model for Workmen's Compensation in the US. An old age and disability pension program followed in 1889; it was the model for the US social security system. After the spectacularly stupid German Emperor Wilhelm II fired Bismarck, 1891 and 1903 saw additional worker protections enacted that would be a model for Progressive and New Deal protections in the US.

            These are a challenge to both Socialists and Libertarians. Blithering idiots on the Right call these policies socialist; in fact Bismarck was a very bitter enemy of socialism. Intelligent Libertarians call this Big Government and damaging but in fact the German economy took off like a rocket as all social classes felt empowered to take risks with careers and businesses -- and stopped emigrating to America! By about 1900 Germany was the largest economy in Europe, passing the UK, which by then had little safety net for its people and experienced massive waves of emigration, particularly from Ireland. (It wasn't just the 1840s.) David Lloyd George proposed measures similar to Bismarck's in the first decade of the 20th century; Winston Churchill was one of their biggest proponents. German socialists then didn't like the Bismarck program; it meant that the proletariat would have no reason to create revolution! The United States did next to nothing until the 1930s, and still to this day wants people to die from lack of healthcare. And now we have commenters who want poor elderly people to have no means of sustenance.

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          2. Rick James   9 hours ago

            Pay more, or expect less.

            Why not both?

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        2. charliehall   9 hours ago

          "their pandemic response was also accurate."

          COVID death rate, Sweden: 2,682 per 1M population.
          COVID death rate, Finland: 2,153 per 1M population.
          COVID death rate, Denmark: 1,511 per 1M population.
          COVID death rate, Norway: 1,204 per 1M population.

          Accurate if you want more than double the death rate of a similar neighboring country. There is a similar difference between Canada and the US, with the US looking unfavorable. The extra seven hundred thousand dead people in the US probably disagree with the unfavorable assessment folks here with Canada's more serious treatment of the pandemic.

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   8 hours ago

            Of course, none of your numbers, if they’re even real, account for differences in weighting of senior citizens, whose had far higher mortality rates. There are other variables too.

            But a simple, dull, stunted, little mind, like yours, can’t comprehend those things.

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    2. Gaear Grimsrud   10 hours ago

      The Eurotrash politicians are warning the great unwashed that the welfare state will have to be cut to pay for their war with Russia now that Trump is threatening to cut off the cash.

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    3. charliehall   10 hours ago

      "There's nothing wrong with taxing wealthy people, but the bullshit promulgated by the left that we could pay for all the free shit they want if we did so is what the real issue is."

      Correct. The nutty far left is as math-impaired as the fascist far right. And potentially equally destructive, except that the far left has little power in the US today.

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   8 hours ago

        And potentially equally destructive, except that the far left has little power in the US today.

        LOL, please. They control the entire K-college educational complex as well as several blue states and most major urban areas.

        The claim that the far left has little power in the US is laughable on its face. It's just that you're not used to seeing the right actually push back against them over the last 25 years.

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      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

        Facism is a leftist construct, and an another bastard child of Marx. Along with socialism and communism. But your retardation prevents you from understanding that.

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    4. Marshal   5 hours ago

      In addition to paying their defense costs we also pay for their medical development.

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  6. Use the Schwartz   13 hours ago

    It isn't supposed to make sense, it is just more performative agit-prop from Ugly Hollywood.

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  7. Stupid Government Tricks   13 hours ago

    I went through this exercise with the Fortune 400 or some other list.

    Imagine we seized every single dollar of their wealth—every home, property, business, investment, car, and yacht, right down to their kids' teddy bears—and sold it all for full market value.

    That last is the rub. People have this vision of billionaires rolling around in Scrooge McDuck-style piles of gold and jewelry, or lighting cigars with $100 bills. It's not. Probably 99% is investments in factories and hotels and other businesses which sell goods and services, and have to be sold and turned into cash before the government can give the welfare bums anything.

    And who's going to buy all that when everyone who could afford to is selling all their stuff?

    It's the same with a wealth tax. Tell rich folks you want 1% of their wealth every year. They don't have that much cash lying around; they have to sell factory investments to get the cash, and who's got any money to buy it when they're trying to sell their own?

    The actual market price would drop like a rock. The value of those stocks would take a hit. It would devalue their wealth. I can imagine the price of all stocks dropping in half every year for a few days as everyone's trying to sell bits and pieces, the slowly climbing back up after the wealth tax has been paid.

    And what about investments in privately held companies? No one knows their "true" value until they are sold. But you can bet those bureaucrats would err on the high side.

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    1. Rick James   11 hours ago

      That last is the rub. People have this vision of billionaires rolling around in Scrooge McDuck-style piles of gold and jewelry, or lighting cigars with $100 bills. It's not.

      No, it's marrying a woman with a lip-filler-destroyed face on a $500 million Yacht in a foam party wedding.

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      1. Rick James   11 hours ago

        Not that there's anything wrong with that. Section 230 and Religious freedom and all.

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    2. Uncle Jay   10 hours ago

      Even if there was a massive redistribution of wealth, the billionaires and millionaires would probably earn a lot of their wealth back within five to ten years because they know how to generate capital.
      Punishing the financially talented will not solve the problem in DC.
      Ending the runaway spending by both parties on the federal level will.

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

        The simplest way to end these problems is to execute all the Marxists. Although there are somewhat less severe of solving our problems if we have the will.

        But all of them involve some level of McCarthyism, and forcibly ending the democrat party.

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    3. creech   9 hours ago

      Jobs program for accountants, tax attorneys, appraisers, auctioneers, and offshore bankers!

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    4. charliehall   9 hours ago

      A 1% wealth tax won't have a lot of effect. It isn't a bad idea. The federal government has enacted wealth taxes five times, the most recent being in 1861. They were limited to real estate; most wealth outside of the slave-dependent south was still in real estate. And they were enacted for one year only, although the ones to pay for the War of 1812 were enacted for three consecutive years.

      The problems are twofold. You hit on one, which is the practicality. The stock market would not plummet, but would drop by 1%, so that isn't an issue. But it is difficult enough to accurately assess the value of real estate; assessing the value of collectables or privately held businesses would be a nightmare.

      Another problem, probably even worse, is as a direct tax the revenue would need to be apportioned by state population. The result of the legal fights regarding the value of a private equity fund in NYC would affect the amount of tax levied on private homes in every state where that private equity fund has a resident investor. It would be a nightmare.

      Better to just raise income taxes. Much simpler.

      Neither however, will pay for all the free stuff the Left is promising.

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    5. Marshal   5 hours ago

      All of that is true, but the point is that even if you pretend it isn't, and most leftists do exactly that, the numbers still don't work. So they can't even fantasize their way to a solution.

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  8. Stupid Government Tricks   13 hours ago

    Found a good description of this a while ago.

    The top-earning 20 percent now pays 69 percent of all federal taxes, and the top 1 percent currently pays 25 percent of all federal taxes.

    By contrast, the bottom-earning 60 percent of Americans—that's 3 out of 5 taxpayers—pay just 13 percent of total federal taxes, including a combined negative income tax.

    https://fakenous.substack.com/p/tax-breaks-for-the-rich

    The current system is like this: Five friends go out for dinner. Say they have some expenses that are common to the group (e.g., a shared appetizer) plus some items ordered by and for specific individuals. At the end of the meal, someone suggests that one of the friends, the one with the most money, should be forced to pay for everyone, even though he doesn't want to. In fact, he should be forced to pay extra in order to give kickbacks to three of the diners. This would not be accepted as a "fair division of the bill."

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    1. charliehall   8 hours ago

      The Philadelphia 76ers won the NBA championship in part because Wilt Chamberlain picked up the tab for the entire rest of the team when they went out to dinner. His salary was more than that of the entire rest of the team combined, even there were three other Hall of Fame players. They worked hard to play together and that team is considered one of the greatest basketball teams in history.

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      1. Diarrheality   6 hours ago

        In your chimerical collectivist anecdote, did Wilt voluntarily pick up the tab, or was his wallet forced open by a government official holding a gun?

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  9. Stupid Government Tricks   13 hours ago

    In France, the VAT is 20%, employer payroll taxes are 45%, and income taxes are 30-40%. French pay would almost double if not for those payroll taxes; US employees only lose 7.65% for the employer's half of the FICA payroll tax.

    Note to the idiots who think that totals 65% or 95-105%: That 45% is what employers pay and does not come out of employees' paychecks. Feel free to add the 20% and 30-40%; you'll at least be close.

    And this is from several years ago. I have no idea what it is now. So sue me.

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    1. Michael P   12 hours ago

      That 45% is what employers pay and does not come out of employees' paychecks.

      More precisely, it reflects a silent tax that comes out before employees see a nominal salary. If they make 1000 euros/week now, they might make 1450 euros/week without the employer's payroll tax.

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    2. See.More   4 hours ago

      That 45% is what employers pay and does not come out of employees' paychecks.

      The fuck it doesn't. Just because the employees don't pay it after it's hit their accounts doesn't mean that it didn't come out of their paycheck. It just came out before the check was cut.

      It is an accounting (and socio-political) fiction that it does not come out of employees' paychecks. It hides the true cost from the employee by stealing from them before the money hits their hands.

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  10. Stupid Government Tricks   13 hours ago

    No mention that customers pay all business taxes, just as they pay all other expenses. Pretending businesses absorb those taxes is as stupid as pretending stores pay sales taxes.

    Either way, eliminating those tax breaks and taxing these companies more could raise perhaps $100 billion a year.

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    1. Neutral not Neutered   11 hours ago

      Less than the Doge savings and year over year savings that will result from cutting gov as Trump has done and will continue doing.

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      1. Lester75   8 hours ago

        Doge made a lot of noise and saved very little money, especially after various departments had to hire back people who the Doge kids fired:
        https://www.inc.com/chris-morris/doge-was-created-to-save-the-government-money-it-may-end-up-costing-billions/91168336

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

          Overall federal employment is down in spite of your activist judges dumdum.

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  11. Stupid Government Tricks   13 hours ago

    "We need higher revenues in the least economically damaging way possible."

    No, we need to cut spending. It will be cut, one way or another. More revenue just won't work, borrowing is getting more expensive, and inflation is the only tool left ... unless we cut spending.

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    1. sarcasmic   11 hours ago

      We need to pay more or expect less. It's one or the other. Tax the middle class to pay for spending, or expect less stuff from government. The path we're on where the middle class expects all kinds of goodies to be paid for by the rich and by debt can't continue. So the middle class needs to accept that they're going to get less stuff, or they need to start paying for it.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

        Maybe a consumption tax? Oh wait. You only want to raise progressive income taxes.

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    2. charliehall   8 hours ago

      Okay, what cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and National Defense do you support. Be specific. The rest of the federal government budget is too small to matter.

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  12. CountmontyC   12 hours ago

    No tax increases will help until we get spending under control.

    What we need to do is place a cap on total spending until the deficits are gone and the only to increase spending on one program would be to take money from other programs. No spending increases without cuts elsewhere.
    So if spending is $7 trillion in year one it stays at $7 trillion every year thereafter until the annual deficit is gone( would be good to keep the cap on a few years after at least)

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    1. sarcasmic   12 hours ago

      For every new dollar that the government brings in, Congress spends a buck twenty five. That's the problem.

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    2. MWAocdoc   12 hours ago

      There has been a cap on spending ever since Congress imposed a "debt limit ceiling" on itself several decades ago. I lost track of the number of budget crises we have suffered through long ago. Try again.

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  13. Restoring the Dream   12 hours ago

    Also, peg capital gains to inflation. After my father died, there was capital gains to pay on his farm, held for over 40 years. Guess how much of that, 1958-1990 was inflation. But no, you get taxed, heavily, on those "gains".

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    1. charliehall   8 hours ago

      That would be absolutely catastrophic in a bad recession.

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  14. MWAocdoc   12 hours ago

    Just to cut through the clutter here one more time, and remind everyone: We do NOT have a "taxation problem" - we have a SPENDING PROBLEM! Say it over and over again until they run away screaming "No nononono noooooo!" with their hands covering their ears.

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    1. Uncle Jay   10 hours ago

      This is true.
      Stop the runaway spending on needless bureaucracies, foreign aid, grants, subsidies, etc.
      But few, if any DC politicians, are willing to do what is needed to be done.

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      1. charliehall   8 hours ago

        'Stop the runaway spending on needless bureaucracies, foreign aid, grants, subsidies, etc."

        Get rid of all of that and you STILL have not solved the problem. What cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and National Defense do you support. Be specific. The rest of the federal government budget is too small to matter.

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      2. Lester75   8 hours ago

        I'm always amazed at how much the mindless right thinks we spent on PBS, foreign aid birth control, grants for research on trans mice etc.. They *want* to believe that we could balance the budget just cutting what they don't like so they waive their hands and stick their heads in the sand.

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        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

          No one believes that. But why should we spend a dime on any of your pet boondoggles when we’re overspending by $2 trillion/year?

          And really, the main reason we can’t touch entitlements is that, thanks to the democrats, even attempting to do so would lose republicans their majorities. Then were stuck with democrats, who will raise the deficit by at least another trillion.

          The solution is simple. Eliminate the democrat party, and imprison the Marxists.

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        2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

          Said by the guy who cried over all the USAID cuts, against reconciliation, work for welfare....

          The feigned cut spending idiots here always amuse me. They are always against every cut.

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  15. Rick James   11 hours ago

    Many on the left, and sometimes the populist right, respond with

    So the conundrum remains, who do we strategically and reluctantly vote for?

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  16. Neutral not Neutered   11 hours ago

    Essentially the article is saying Trump and the GOP are on the right track and continued Doge and shutting down of institutions is the direction needed.

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    1. charliehall   8 hours ago

      And that isn't correct. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and National Defense are the only items big enough to matter if you cut them.

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

        You democrats prevent anything else from getting done.

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        1. Diarrheality   6 hours ago

          Indeed. Maybe democrats are curious if circumstances exist wherein lead really is more valuable than gold.

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  17. Minadin   11 hours ago

    If you tried to tax the 'wealth' of billionaires, isn't the vast majority of that unrealized gains in owning stock, businesses and other assets?

    Seems like trying to liquidate all of that would really tank those markets, and hurt an awful lot of people.

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    1. sarcasmic   11 hours ago

      Many people don't understand that wealth is not money. That's why income is taxed. It's money. But wealth has to be turned into money before taxes can be paid on it. As in someone has to buy it. If people have to sell stuff to pay wealth taxes, who are they going to sell it to? The same people who are selling stuff to pay wealth taxes?

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      1. charliehall   8 hours ago

        Which is why property taxes aren't a good idea, but they have been around for millenia.

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      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

        This from the guy who thought he paid more in total taxes when he worked OT lol.

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  18. Uncle Jay   10 hours ago

    Want to redistribute the wealth in the US?
    Start with the millionaires Pressley, Omar, Obama, the Clintons, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelsoi, Mark Cuban, Bill Gates and other leftist who have utter contempt for capitalism, worship at the alter of Big Government and have no problem spending OTHER peoples' money.

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    1. charliehall   8 hours ago

      Except for Gates and Cuban, none of them have enough money to matter. And you will lose Texas in the next election if Cuban's basketball team is broken up or sold.

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  19. 11ed0d2   9 hours ago

    The Wall Street Journal just reported a few days ago that there are 1,135 US billionaires. I wonder why there is such a difference between that and the 800 this article claims and which is correct.

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    1. charliehall   8 hours ago

      Even with the higher number, the article is basically correct, although it doesn't adequately address the fact that the things that would need to be cut are Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and National Defense.

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  20. Eeyore   7 hours ago

    I know it won't help, but everyone who lives or works in D.C. should be forced to turn tricks and give 80% of the proceeds to big daddy government pimp.

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  21. Heraclitus   7 hours ago

    The key to all this is in the debt. We owe this money to someone. Obviously, we can't just default on our debt, however, it is after all, just IOUs. And who owns the debt? The same wealthy people we are contemplating taxing.

    This is a good reminder that we are still in the stone ages when it comes to our knowledge of Sociology and Political Science. Smarty pants people like Riedl like to lecture us on how we just can't raise enough taxes on the rich and so we are going to have to strip down the government like a Cracker Barrel equity buyout. While we are at it we can rebrand it without Uncle Hershel Sam. While the rich jet off to Epstein Island and regal each other with clever birthday cards we just have to tolerate broken train systems, a decling energy infrastructure and so on. What can we do!

    Sorry to get all Marxist, but you all know where this is heading. You can't walk down potholed streets and look up at private jets and not see the inevitable chaos that will ensue if rich people don't stop trying to convince us that we just can't do anything or else all the trust fund babies are going to take their Gucci bags and go to Dubai or something.

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    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

      The best way to stop ,Ardis, is to eliminate Marxists where we find them.

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  22. Kw-26   6 hours ago

    My local AZ Congressman, David Schweikert says in his weekly newsletter says; for every tax dollar the U.S. government takes in it spends $1.43 and we are are borrowing nearly $6.5 billion every single day.

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  23. aronofskyd   5 hours ago

    We can control the annual deficit with a genuine balanced budget starting now. However, mathematically the national debt is now so large we are stuck with it forever because ANY significant reduction (which requires spending at least a few trillion dollars a year) will crash even our economy into a depression. Refinancing and partially defaulting together offer the only realistic solution.

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  24. Sympatica   4 hours ago

    The only way to balance the money is to massively increase the taxes on the middle class. It would also be good to devastate the 800 to just remove their influence.

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  25. AT   4 hours ago

    Wow Jessica, you're only 15 years behind the times.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ

    None of this means we shouldn't tax the rich more.

    And you still didn't learn a thing.

    Let me explain something to you like you're a retarded toddler: Roughly speaking, America taxes for 60% of our income, and borrows the other 40%. We then spend - which includes the big monster at the table, the Dept. of War - 40% on legitimate government purposes (assuming, incorrectly, every single agency and its spending is legit - but even without correction, it's still only 40%).

    The other 60% is spent on entitlements.

    The entitlements are what's killing us. Social security, medicare, medicaid, disability, unemployment, SNAP, WIC, SSI, S8H, etc etc. And it's especially a kick in the teeth when EVEN ONE RED CENT OF IT goes to a non-American.

    We kill those, and we rid America of all the non-Americans, and EVERY SINGLE TAXPAYING AMERICAN could pay the debt down in a decade, and then take a huge tax CUT. Without ever once raising taxes on ANYONE, let alone "eating the rich."

    Kill the entitlements, or kill America.

    But we both know that the left sides with the latter, doesn't it.

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  26. JasonT20   3 hours ago

    Neither political party is suicidal enough to tell middle-class voters that their taxes and benefits must also contribute heavily to reining in runaway deficits. So we comfort ourselves with the wishful thinking that millionaires and billionaires can take the entire burden off our hands. But beyond the empty rhetoric, you will never see a specific, fully scored proposal to eliminate most of the long-term deficit by taxing the rich—because mathematically, it's just not possible.

    It wouldn't be suicidal for politicians to level with voters and explain economic and fiscal policy honestly. It's their fucking duty. If they are too cowardly to do that, then they deserve to lose their elected positions.

    The problem, though, is that most voters aren't doing any better. Those voters don't want to be told the truth. They want to be told that someone else will feel the pain. Politicians are just reacting to the incentives created by the behavior of voters. The biggest problem with representative democracy is that we get the government we want, and we deserve to get it good and hard. (Paraphrasing H.L. Mencken)

    Think about this:

    One side says that taxing the rich to fuel not only existing social welfare benefits, but expanding them, will work. But the other side talks about cutting benefits for the "takers" (echoes of Reagan era "welfare queens") and eliminating "fraud and waste" and foreign aid, all while cutting taxes, and pretending that the money that the investor class doesn't pay in taxes will multiply and "trickle down" to the rest of us.

    For everyone here, one of those ways of summarizing how each side frames the other resonates with you. You're thinking, "Yeah, those idiots and assholes don't live in reality." The truth is that neither of these are based in reality. Actually fixing the deficit will occur when something else occurs that is even less likely to happen than taxes on the wealthy being enough to erase deficits:

    Politicians on both sides being honest about fiscal and economic policy and none of them taking advantage of the other side's honesty to make their lies to voters more appealing.

    But they've responded to our biases and wishful thinking for so long by amplifying it, that they are stuck with the monster they've created. Too many voters on each side will always believe that the other side is wrong, dangerous, evil, or all of the above. Candidates feed this belief because they keep winning when they say that. (Primaries, at least. It's not always a winning strategy in general elections.)

    If elected politicians or candidates would be "suicidal" if they were honest now, it is only because they've been lying for so long that the voters in their parties' bases have completely turned off the critical thinking needed to accept facts that don't conform to what they want to believe.

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