Eisenhower Warned Us About the 'Scientific Elite'
The Trump administration's plans to slash science funding could end up liberating researchers from the corrupting influence Dwight Eisenhower warned about.
HD DownloadIn President Dwight D. Eisenhower's famous 1961 speech about the dangers of the military-industrial complex, he also cautioned Americans about the growing power of a "scientific, technological elite."
"The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by federal employment project allocations and the power of money is ever present," warned Eisenhower.
The federal government had become a major financier of scientific research after World War II, and Eisenhower was worried that the spirit of open inquiry and progress would be corrupted by the priorities of the federal bureaucracy.
And he was right.
Today, many of the people protesting the Trump administration's cuts to federal funding for scientific research are part of that scientific, technological elite.
But there's a good chance that slashing federal spending will liberate science from the corrupting forces that Eisenhower warned us about.
"If you look at, particularly, 19th century Britain when science was absolutely in the private sector, we have some of the best science," says Terence Kealey, a professor of clinical biochemistry at the University of Buckingham and a critic of government science funding. "It comes from the wealth of the rich. Charles Darwin was a rich person. Even [scientists] who had no money had access to rich men's money one way or another. The rich paid for science."
Kealey points out that Britain's gross domestic product (GDP) per capita outpaced that of 19th-century France and Germany—both of which generously subsidized scientific research—indicating that the return on state subsidies in the form of economic growth was low. As America emerged as a superpower, its GDP per capita surpassed Britain's.
"So the Industrial Revolution was British, and the second Industrial Revolution, was American, and both were in the absence of the government funding of science," says Kealey.
Thomas Edison's industrial lab produced huge breakthroughs in telecommunications and electrification. Alexander Graham Bell's lab produced modern telephony and sound recording, all without government money. The Wright Brothers—who ran a bicycle shop before revolutionizing aviation—launched the first successfully manned airplane flight in December 1903, beating out more experienced competitors like Samuel Langley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institution, who had received a grant from the War Department for his research.
The notion that the government needs to accelerate scientific progress was based on America's experience during World War II, when federally funded research led to breakthroughs in rocketry, medicine, and radar. The Manhattan Project, which cost $27 billion in today's dollars, employed more than half a million people and culminated in the creation of the atomic bomb and the discovery of nuclear fission.
"Lobbyists took the Manhattan Project and said, 'Look what government funding of science can do,' and they then twisted it," says Kealey. He acknowledges that the government can accomplish discrete, "mission-based" scientific projects—like racing toward a bomb—but he argues that this is very different from the generalized state funding of "basic research" that followed.
In November 1944, President Franklin D. Roosevelt sent a letter to Vannevar Bush, director of the U.S. Office of Science and Development during the war. Roosevelt instructed Bush to come up with a plan to make federal funding of scientific research permanent.
"It has been basic United States policy that government should foster the opening of new frontiers," wrote Bush in calling for the nationalization of basic science research. "It opened the seas to clipper ships and furnished land for pioneers."
Bush's treatise eventually led to the creation of the National Science Foundation in 1950.
But it was a stunning accomplishment from America's greatest rival that would supercharge the nationalization of science. Sputnik, the world's first manmade satellite, seemed to confirm fears that the Soviets, with their centrally planned economy, might eclipse the U.S. in scientific innovation and weapons technology.
That turned out to be completely wrong. But in 1957, Americans were terrified.
After Sputnik, the Eisenhower administration tripled the budget of the National Science Foundation, which would provide federal grants to universities and labs.
If federal funding of science is counterproductive, as Kealey argues, what explains the success of Sputnik and the Manhattan Project?
Of course, government funding has led to major breakthroughs both during and after World War II, such as the synthesis and mass production of penicillin during World War II (though it was accidentally discovered in a contaminated hospital lab in 1928), cancer immunotherapy, artificial heart valves, and the gene-editing technology CRISPR.
But this has to be compared to what might have otherwise happened. Good economics takes into account not only the seen, but the unseen.
What are the unseen innovations the world misses out on when governments set the research agenda?
"If the government funds science, it actually takes the best scientists out of industry puts them in the universities, and then industry in fact suffers," says Kealey.
After Sputnik, government money pushed basic science out of the private sector. By 1964, two-thirds of all research and development was paid for by the federal government.
"If you were a tool maker in Ohio in 1964, and you wanted to invest in R&D to make better tools because you wanted the beat your competitors in Utah, you wrote a grant to the Department of Commerce," says Kealey. "That's how nationalized American science was … Eisenhower's warning is absolutely correct."
In academic science, process often takes precedence over outcomes. Researchers are incentivized to publish peer-reviewed papers that garner citations, which helps them secure prestigious academic posts and more federal grants.
"What happens under peer review under the government is that there's homogenization, and only one set of ideas is allowed to emerge," says Kealey.
The pressure to publish has created a positivity bias, where an increasing number of papers supporting a hypothesis are published, while negative findings are often buried.
One biotech company could confirm the scientific findings of only six out of 53 "landmark" cancer studies.
Swedish researchers found that up to 70 percent of positive findings in certain brain imaging studies could be false.
A team of researchers re-examined 100 psychology studies and successfully replicated only 39. "There is still more work to do to verify whether we know what we think we know," they concluded.
In an influential 2005 paper, Stanford University professor John Ioannidis flatly concluded that "most published research findings are false." He argued that the current peer review model encourages groupthink, writing that "prestigious investigators may suppress via the peer review process the appearance and dissemination of findings that refute their findings, thus condemning their field to perpetuate false dogma."
"You end up with a monolithic view, and so you crush what's so important in science, which is different ideas competing in a marketplace of ideas," says Kealey.
For decades, the federal government advised Americans to avoid saturated fat and prioritize carbohydrates based on the work of a researcher named Ancel Keys, who received substantial funding from the U.S. Public Health Service and the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Today, the debate that Keys suppressed rages on.
"Ancel Keys said, 'I have the solution, it's all to do with fats,'" says Kealey. "And very quickly, you couldn't get grants to the American Heart Association unless you subscribe to Ancel Key's theory of fat. Having captured this small little redoubt, he then moved to the [National Science Foundation], and then suddenly the whole world believed only one thing."
More recently, Stanford's Jay Bhattacharya was attacked by the public health establishment for questioning the COVID-19 lockdowns. He told Reason there's an inherent conflict between the NIH director setting public health policy and doling out grant money.
"If you have an NIH director that [sets policy and distributes money], they control the minds of so many scientists. It's an inherent conflict, and nobody's going to really speak. Nobody's going to disagree with them because that's the cash cow," says Bhattacharya, who President Donald Trump appointed head of the NIH. His agency now faces a proposed 40 percent spending cut.
But if Kealey is right, slashing science funding could, counterintuitively, accelerate medical innovation in the long run.
"If these changes can be managed in such a way that these scientists can move from the NIH into the private sector without massive disruptions to all the work and research they're doing, that will be to the benefit of America," says Kealey.
It would be similar to what happened in the early 1970s, when Congress slashed the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's budget in half, laying the groundwork for the rise of the computer age.
"What happens to all those scientists? Well, they all go out to Silicon Valley, because they've all been made redundant … And they invent the modern world," says Kealey.
"New frontiers of the mind are before us, and if they are pioneered with the same vision, boldness, and drive with which we have waged this war we can create a fuller and more fruitful employment and a fuller and more fruitful life," wrote Roosevelt in his letter to Bush.
But maybe Roosevelt drew the wrong conclusions from the war. "Vision, boldness, and drive" can be found amongst the dreamers and tinkerers working in private laboratories, who are often too iconoclastic to be good candidates for government research grants but whose ideas, simply, work.
"It's technology that keeps science honest," says Kealey. "If you're a scientist and you make an observation which can be tested, 'If you do this, the rocket will go that way, if you do that, the rocket will go this way,' then as a scientist you have to be honest because you'll soon be found out. But if your money comes from the government and it comes by peer review from committees, and the committees subscribe to a false paradigm, no one is going to test your paradigm."
Before government money flooded in, private research facilities like Bell Labs were centers of innovation. AT&T's research lab discovered radio astronomy in 1933 when its scientists tried to figure out why its telephone wires experienced interference the longer they stretched.
"You have a mission, you do research, and many times you make discoveries in pure science that actually are very valuable to everyone else," says Kealey.
Vannevar Bush and FDR were wrong: The private sector can push forward the scientific frontier. In fact, federal funding of R&D in America has flatlined for decades, while business investment keeps going up.
Abandoning NASA's Cold War space race monopoly, the government has outsourced rocket design to competing private companies. The world can barely keep pace with the breakthroughs announced by Silicon Valley's privately funded AI labs.
"Science in America today is actually more private than it was in 1940. People just haven't seen it. No one wants to talk about it because there are no votes in privatizing science," says Kealey. "I would like to see that process continued."
Let's heed Eisenhower's warning. The question is not whether or not America should continue conducting scientific research. It's about who is in control.
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The Manhattan Project, which cost $27 billion in today's dollars, employed more than half a million people and culminated in the creation of the atomic bomb..
Almost as successful as gain of function research.
It saved a million American lives that would have been lost invading Japan.
What if we didn’t invade Japan?
Then we would have blockaded and starved out Japan, which would have killed even more people and drug the war out for years longer.
That is a possibility. The only thing we know for certain is that the path we did follow gave us world filled with nuclear weapons.
That world was going to happen anyway. Stalin was going to get nuclear weapons eventually. Our refusal to build them wouldn't have stopped him and the USSR had the minds and resources necessary to do it. I would rather have a world filled with them than a world where only Stalin had them.
I’ll give you that.
Hell, the Nazi's themselves were developing them. Imagine a world where they got there first.
You should write a trailblazing science fiction story about that.
It's called Wolfenstein The New Order.
I'm not sure if you're claiming it didn't happen or if you're just being wry, but I'll just leave this here in case you were serious.
Stalin's spies already had stolen the important secrets by early 1945. And Stalin had great scientists, too.
There was a race even before Germany surrendered between the USA and USSR to grab the best German scientists. Both sides got some great ones, but my understanding is the USSR did not make good use of their Germans and the USA did.
“Our Germans are better than their Germans.”
Hey dipshit, we were first. We weren't the only ones researching it
Oh bullshit. They would have been invented anyway. The US didn't have the only key to that genii bottle.
There are two recent books on the planned invasion of Japan, Downfall and Hell To Pay. Both are well worth reading if the subject is interesting. They make some basic points which you and others may already know:
* The Japanese army had killed 200,000 people during each of the last four months of the war. They had munitions factories overseas and presumably could have kept up operations in spite of the home islands being blockaded.
* The US population was sick and tired of the war. War Bond sales were dropping off, black markets were increasing, and FDR and Truman and most advisors did not think the public would tolerate one or two years of blockading Japan, especially with continued kamikaze casualties.
* Casualty rates, US and Japanese, from Iwo Jima and Okinawa, implied 1:1 casualty rates from the two invasions (Kyushu in November, Tokyo in the spring). The difference is that Japanese casualties were 99% dead, US were 10-20% dead. They predicted 5-10 million dead Japanese from all causes, including war, starvation, and collateral bombing damage, and ordered a million Purple Heart medals in preparation.
* The November invasion plans included using a projected 10 atom bombs to clear the Kyushu plains just a day or two before US troops would advance over them. That's how ignorant almost everyone was about radioactivity and fallout.
The two atomic bombings saved millions of lives, most of them Japanese.
"most advisors did not think the public would tolerate one or two years of blockading Japan"
The world isn't even tolerating Israel blockading Gaza for a few weeks, with a much lower death toll.
Today the world would be allowing Nazi Germany and Japan to remain in power.
For once, I agree with you.
Not to mention a million or more Chinese citizens who were the targets of Japanese genocide had it been allowed to continue.
Then Mao took over and things got really fun.
That is a huge lie you have been told. "What the top U.S. military brass thought at the time:
General Dwight D. Eisenhower (Supreme Allied Commander in Europe) later said he believed the bomb was not necessary to end the war and that Japan was already close to surrendering.
General Douglas MacArthur reportedly thought the bomb was unnecessary and worried about its long-term consequences.
Admiral William Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, called the use of the bomb “the greatest catastrophe in history” and believed it wasn’t needed to end the war."
Truman knew the war was over and his Diary shows he knew Japan had sued for peace already. So he had to lie about saving lives to justify the nuking, which was done for geopolitical reasons, not military needs or to save lives, vis a vis the USSR. See Gar Alperowitz: Atomic Diplomacy for documentation.
Eisenhower wrote: "“In my opinion, the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... I think that the use of this bomb was completely unnecessary.”
— Memoirs, 1963
"Admiral William Leahy (Chief of Staff to the President)
“The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan... The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.”
— Leahy Diaries"
I truly don't know what point you think you are making but you make the same mistake Pinker makes: A development that could be used for the good but isn't can't be the fault of the developers.
Yet if those refugees from Germany and Italy had not come here we might have had Nagasaki in America
Gain of functin research seems to have been hideous BECAUSE Pinker-types like Fauci were in charge.
The Manhattan Project was not really a science project. It was an engineering project. The basic science of nuclear fission was already done. The only new basic science that was done by the Manhattan project was the work done by Glenn Seaborg on the chemistry of Plutonium. Everything else was engineering applications of science that was already known.
Even The Manhattan Project is not an example of the success of the government funding science.
Yes, good point. It was an amazing engineering project, but not primarily scientific research. Too many people fail to see the distinction between engineering and science.
It's not universally true, but in a general sense 'science' is theory and 'engineering' is application.
There's that. And the whole goal is different. In science, you want to create a model that agrees with all available data. In engineering, you want to make a thing and all that matters is that it operates within the required tolerances and functional specs.
Engineering is merely applied science. Without engineering science just provides ideas. Without science engineering doesn't even build a wheel.
The article says, "Today, many of the people protesting the Trump administration's cuts to federal funding for scientific research are part of that scientific, technological elite."
That may be true. But a whole lot of them are people who appreciate things like life saving treatments, drugs and procedures. Car accidents kill a fraction of the percentage of people who died in them when Ike was Prez. Know what made cars safer? Fucking science. It got us advanced telecommunications and allowed the American half of the 20th century to make America the envy of the world.
I don't dispute that scientists can be overly precious, imagining their next invention will save the world, but science is the difference between watching kids die in infancy and 80 year olds playing pickleball. Bitch about the morality of inventions and products if you want, but you can only bitch about scientific research if you can't appreciate what it has done for us.
Car accidents kill a fraction of the percentage of people who died in them when Ike was Prez. Know what made cars safer? Fucking science.
It also created a whole new class of criminal if people decided to, you know, not use those safety devices.
Hooray fucking science?
Also lets just ignore all the absolute fraud and unreplicable 'science' that's in every science journal in the world that people are building card houses on top of. Wouldn't you agree that's stupid and dangerous to 'science' writ large?
I dunno, many thought the Trinity test would set the atmosphere on fire or something. Feynman et al made some important contributions, it wasn’t all tinker toys.
But then you have no point. You aren't saying they should have turned it into a pure science matter !!! This distinction you make between pure and applied science is more Pinker nonsense. He is in Psychology a field absolutely overflowing with childishly silly metaphysical thinking. I heard hs wife once say that evolutionary biology explains why religion happened and why we believer it. She of course was wearing a ideology deflector from birth until receipt of PhD
Do you not think that there are ideas that are not rigorously scientific which nevertheless are worth thinking about? Evolutionary psychology isn't really science as it is pretty much unfalsifiable just-so stories. But I don't think that means no one should theorize and write about it. Just don't claim a higher degree of certainty than is justified.
Isn’t evolutionary psychology just very high level instinct? Our instincts lead us to all sorts of actions and ideas about survival, and human interaction is a big part of that.
Something of a pointless endeavor since humanity can't even trace it's own evolutionary pathway so, even at best, there would be massive missing pieces.
Two weeks to flatten the curve, six feet apart, it isn't airborne, I am the science.
Never Forget.
You’re supposed to just forget all that now. They have other scams to sell.
He warned Americans that we needed to embrace black and white TV?
You really are a retard aren't you?
Want a job that never ends while making a ton of money?
Get a job with the feds or a private charity to "find a cure" for some disease, malady or condition.
That way, the money will continue to pour in, and you will never have to find a cure.
Just keep showing pictures of some poor person with a deadly condition or disease on a daily basis and tell everyone "you're really close to a cure. We just need a little more money."
It works every time as the past 70 years has shown.
MAGA will claim that the cure is worse than the disease. Vaccines TOTALLY prevent measles but RFK Jr. is effectively promoting its spread.
AFAIK the measles vaccine is about 98% effective, not 100%. Some of the others are less effective, but are effective enough to be extremely useful. Its not a simple yes/no, there is a spectrum, as in most things.
Ike was quietly a terrific president.
When the Soviets launched Sputnik, the US press and political leaders freaked out. Ike went golfing.
When asked about that, he said it was important for folks to see that he wasn't worried. His Army experience taught him the importance of calm and deliberate leadership in times of upheaval.
Just another blessing of having [Na]tional So[zi]alist Science! /s
There is no Constitutional Authority for a Nazi-Empire.
This is a post by someone who knows little about the scientific enterprise and how curiosity based research is funded and its importance.
In my own industry, biotech, the foundational discoveries that have led to important commercial advancements were in academic laboratories doing curiosity based research (think recombinant DNA technology, CRISPR, regenerative cell therapies). At Stanford a large number of academic scientists were studying nucleic acid metabolism. The goal was to understand how the genetic material is reproduced and transmitted. Basic research. No one was thinking about setting up an industry titan. The rest,as they say, is history. Out of that curiosity enterprise came the first modern biotech company, Genentech. And thereafter, hundreds more. NSF and NIH funding of curiosity based research was crucial to the development of the biotech industry. The story of recombinant DNA restriction enzyme discoveries is particularly interesting since a private company, Merck, was working in the area in the early 1970's but shut the program down - no commercial value.
Over the years in different countries and in many scientific areas, the lessons have been baked into the financing of innovation by government and private investors: Government funds curiosity driven work with a loose association to a defined application. Some of this research becomes commercially viable and private investors pick up the work and develop the commercial applications. The efforts have spawned industries.
Mr. Weissmuller makes note of the experience in Britain. But this narrative is only a part of the story. Britain then, like the US now, used government funds to commission interest in particularly important areas. One such area was in navigation. Astronomy was heavily supported by direct Royal charters. Likewise, timekeeping. The story of the development of the ships clock is a classic example of government setting a goal, with a reward, to spur investment in a technology, in this case solving the riddle of determining longitude. That solution lead to the development of the first mechanical clocks. From there, the development of more accurate timekeeping standard has been very much a government funded enterprise. The first atomic clock was developed in Britain by the National Physical Laboratory. NIST has developed its own. And these high precision clocks have made their way into another foundational technology - location determination by GPS.
Hundreds of books have been written on the development of technology and the interplay between science, government and private enterprise. Mr Weissmuller ought to read one or two. Only an ideologue would say that the government and its funding is not a key resource in this enterprise. Conflating that role with Eisenhowers concern about entrenched interests and a unique captive customer (the government) for a product (bombs) is not credible.
...and at the core beyond all those 'book' indoctrinates.
If it requires 'Guns' (Gov-Guns) used against the people to discover it then the Juice isn't worth the squeeze because it will destroy Individual Liberty and Justice for all (humanity) and it won't really matter what got discovered because it won't net-positive benefit society in the long-run.
No individual liberty when you are dead. And it was government studies that led to the spectacular drop in deaths from heart disease, which has been the leading cause of death in the US for over a century.
Give me Liberty or give me Death.
That is what this entire Nation was founded on fighting a deadly Revolutionary War against treasonous traitors like yourself to get there.
If YOU want to be 'Gunned' down for your own health you need to find another place to live.
Only an ideologue would say that the government and its funding is not a key resource in this enterprise.
Well, government funded research has led to a lot of conclusions that can't be reproduced so is that 'science' or is that something else.
Just because government happens to fund some science that is useful doesn't excuse all the 'science' they fund that is absolutely patent bullshit.
Also, last I checked, lots of scientific research was done with absolutely no government funding whatsoever in the past. Thinking that's impossible in todays world seems absurd at face value.
Just because government happens to fund some science that is useful doesn't excuse all the 'science' they fund that is absolutely patent bullshit.
The problem with Weissmuller's arguments (and those of that one British scientist he appeared to interview, Terence Kealey) is that he isn't putting forth a honest examination of the whole of the relationship between government, industry, and science. He is presenting a polemic with a particular ideological agenda as the goal. Put simply, he is engaging in the very thing he is saying is the problem - having a desired answer as the goal and then seeking to justify it with selective evidence.
That is not how you successfully identify and solve problems. Not in science, or anything else.
And personally I'd say that science funded by government is more corrupt than science funded by industry or even just...regular guys who happen to have a background in science. Politics itself gets in the way.
It's illustrated in the simple concept of 'don't bite the hand that feeds'. It's patently obvious that academia and it's relation to government grants is quite corrupt when looking at the somewhat well known reproducibility crisis facing science writ large right now. It's probably not a coincidence that this crisis arose in the era of big government funded 'science'.
And if science funded by industry is corrupt (which I am sure it is in many cases), at least there are competing sources of research and funding. When government is the major or sometimes sole funder of particular areas of research, you are just stuck with it until the political winds change.
Research done by an industry, as it pertains to their industry, can't really be corrupt since it has to actually work and provide results. There are exceptions I suppose, such as how they go about doing their research, but as a general rule it works.
Research done by an industry to excuse itself for things like toxic pollution are, of course, another matter as that 'research' is intended to absolve them of wrongdoing rather than to innovate within their industry. Amusingly, government does this all the time as well. Just look at 'climate change' government funded research that they use as justification to move around huge amounts of money to no actual ecological effect. It's a boondoggle, and a massive one at that.
Needless to say, those involved in research that no one wants except the U.S. government (who, of course, has no idea what value any of that research might actually have) are going to rail against this since it cuts off the money spigot they've been sucking at for decades.
Good point. For R&D research, there's little incentive to be corrupted. Bad science is not useful in good engineering. I was thinking more about what you say in the second paragraph.
But a discussion of government funding of science will necessarily be political by it's very nature. That's exactly why government shouldn't be funding science, or at least not picking who gets the funding and for what research.
And the real curse is this talking about ?funding? as-if it just falls out of sky.
'Guns' don't inherently make sh*t. Not even a speckle.
75% of medical research can't be replicated.
90% of psych research can't be replicated.
100% of woke research isn't science.
This is what government funding generates -- marginal students, marginal schools, marginal fields, marginal researchers.
Mercury/Gemini/Apollo sure showed the world that the Russians weren't as advanced as they bragged. But they had no useful results, and don't shout "Tang!" and "ball point pens" unless you want to be proven a fool.
Elon Musk provides low cost satellites and Starlink, both at a profit. He could have done it sooner had NASA not gotten in the way.
Mars rovers are interesting. What useful results have they provided? Voyagers 1 & 2 are interesting and provided the theme for a Star Trek movie. What else have they provided?
Why do you insist on stealing my money to pay for your pet interesting projects?
Why are you so afraid that the public just might have better uses for their money than funding your pet useless projects?
Maybe you are in Biotechnoloyg, But I lived in the Monsanto town for years and they could give a shit about moral concerns. The Terminator gene for example. Purely a money thing.
"Purely money"? So what? You expect them to stay in business and not care about money?
Only socialists think money is evil.
I don't think anyone thinks that Monsanto is an ethical entity. Money may not be intrinsically evil, but a blind pursuit of it certainly can be.
And what happened to all that fiduciary responsibility everyone was touting when investment firms were using ESG and DEI as investment criteria? Was that good?
A business is in business to make a profit legally. Anything else is wokism.
A business is in business to make a profit legally. Anything else is wokism.
Not necessarily. I don't think there's anything particular wrong with the idea that companies should behave ethically even when there is no specific law making their conduct illegal.
In fact, that's generally considered good business and is part of their fiduciary duty as unethical conduct is bad for business generally speaking.
And if the people find it unethical they simply don't send Monsanto's any money.
Unlike if Monsanto's was packing Gov-Gun Forces.
Now switch the name Monsanto's with Government.
There's a massive problem with today's mentality that worships (yes; literally worships like a God) politicians packing 'Guns'. 'Guns' don't make sh*t. They aren't a God. Their only humanitarian purpose is to defend Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
And when you ask supplies to come from Gov-'Guns' you chuck Liberty and Justice out the window on far-more levels than just 1.
Yeah, you have a brain....listen to her say the storage is in a real cloud above our heads and then says it is no longer in a physical place....and you would have her lead us to the great scientific breakthroughs
https://youtu.be/liL2VXYNyus
Even Biden...this is so goddam idiotic I still can't believe it, and people like you hooted and hollered in delight
So first he touts the 30 X 30
The "30x30" plan, initiated by the Biden administration, aims to conserve at least 30% of U.S. lands and waters by 2030
THen we hear
BLM proposes opening 31M acres of public land to solar development
The updated Western Solar Plan proposal expands potential development by 9 million acres beyond the agency’s original proposal
So all that ugly sht leaching chemicals into the soil, guess who would control almolst all that???????????????????
China now controls more than 80% of the global solar panel supply chain, from raw polysilicon to finished solar modules
BUT WAIT ....did Biden even check
Chinese Made Solar Power Inverters Connected To US Power Grid Found To Contain Spy Devices
by Guy D. McCardle
3 days ago
STUPIDES GODDAM PUBLIC MAN IN OVER A CENTURY and you would hand everytihing over base on he and Kamala !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are 100 percent correct. This may be the worst article ever on Reason. Even by the time Eisenhower made that speech, the Framingham Study had already identified the targets for intervention that would reduce heart disease death rates by 70%. The private sector would never have launched as crazy a cohort study as Framingham because Wall Street would have objected that there would never be any profit from it.
Almost every private sector advance in healthcare comes from research initially funded by some government. Pfizer used its own stockholders' money to pay for the clinical trials of its vaccine (pissing off Trump), but the research to develop the vaccine had been started by grants from the German government to BioNTech. The Moderna vaccine would not be available without the funding from the US government; Moderna had never brought a drug to market and nobody in the private sector was going to risk more of their capital with them. Of course MAGA thinks that we should still have millions dying rather than get vaccinated, but without vaccines our economy would be devastated, too.
You picked the worst possible example to try to bolster your case.
No, the best possible examples. RFK claims we have nor addressed chronic disease. We have had spectacular success against the #1 chronic disease. And the COVID vaccines are the greatest single medical miracle since the discovery of modern antibiotics. There had never been a vaccine developed in less than four years, and both the mRNA vaccines were developed in less than one. They also used technology that results in vaccines with fewer contraindications, making them safer for more people. The Moderna vaccine is one of the few accomplishments of the first Trump Administration. (He had nothing to do with the development of the Pfizer vaccine.)
If you disagree with any of this, you are like the folks who claim cigarette smoking doesn't cause cancer, that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that vaccines cause autism, or that if you jump off a tall building you won't go splat on the ground because gravity is a fiction.
And the COVID vaccines are the greatest single medical miracle since the discovery of modern antibiotics.
Should I laugh or give credit to trump?
Laughter is the only appropriate response. None of the normal guidelines for producing a vaccine were followed for COVID, such as longitudinal studies.
Those guidelines are there for a reason.
You're right. You win. We would not have the miracle surgery that turns a young ladies forearm skin into a non-functional meat penis without government funding of universities.
The government may be a key resource, but it is remarkably wasteful. In my arena, alternate energy, the gov funds projects that can only survive with perpetual gov money and/or mandates. Many of these, if widely practiced, would lead to lower standards of living for the many while enriching the few. See Germany. Remember Solyndra? There are hundreds of similar stories that never reach the public b/c “failure is an orphan, while success has a thousand fathers”.
Government doesn't fund science - government funds conclusions that identify as science.
"slashing federal spending will liberate science" -- who will fund basic research meant to understand how things work in nature? There is no immediate commercial return, and you can't patent laws of nature anyway. But this creates knowledge which enables practical downstream applications.
who will fund basic research meant to understand how things work in nature?
So your belief is that understanding how nature works won't be done without government spending. Curious. I suppose we should tell guys like Mendel about how his research couldn't have possibly happened.
Mendel had to drop his research because his primary duties were as an abbot of a monastery. His work was forgotten for a generation and rediscovered by government employees -- professors at public universities.
Mengele was a government employee, as was Lysenko.
Point to any such examples. I dare you. You can't.
If you say "string theory", you are a moron.
So just to amplify your absurdity. Government does not create that money, it is our money and if left to use to allocate there would be more of it. Here is your brilliant funder
22 seconds to show what is wrong with you
https://youtu.be/liL2VXYNyus
"You end up with a monolithic view, and so you crush what's so important in science, which is different ideas competing in a marketplace of ideas," says Kealey.
Great. How about a marketplace of ideas where you interview and consider the point of view of more than the one professor that ardently supports your thesis, Zach? Had you done that, you might have been able to present a complete accounting of the following history that you cite, but it would undercut your thesis.
Before government money flooded in, private research facilities like Bell Labs were centers of innovation. AT&T's research lab discovered radio astronomy in 1933 when its scientists tried to figure out why its telephone wires experienced interference the longer they stretched.
All true. So, what radio astronomy discoveries was Bell Labs noted for after that? Well, none. It was actually a radio engineer and an amateur astronomer named Grote Reber that is credited with building the first radio telescope in 1936. Karl Jansky, the young scientist/engineer working at Bell Labs, only had a Bachelor's degree at the time. He tried to convince his employer to construct a dish antenna to continue studying the radio signals.
Bell, however, was understandably only interested in the matter as far as it pertained to their communications business, and since there was no way to eliminate the hissing static, they considered the project complete. Jansky was, therefore, quickly assigned to new tasks.
Source: https://nationalmaglab.org/magnet-academy/history-of-electricity-magnetism/pioneers/karl-jansky/
An excellent reply. And one more point. Jon Gertner wrote a great book called "The idea factory" which was history of Bell Labs. A crucial point. Bell Labs (and Western Electric) were put in place owing to a government-private accommodations. To maintain its phone service monopoly, AT&T had to spend its profits on research to improve phone service. In addition anti-trust enforcement led to compulsory licensing of key technology. The invention of the transistor led to licensing of the technology to Motorola, Fairchild Industries, Texas Instruments and other companies. That decision unleashed and created the entire semiconductor industry and, arguably, created our modern technical world. The research needed to deploy the technology was funded by government money, much of it the Defense department.
That proves nothing. The greatest effect was government free
Kilby and Noyce were electrical engineers who in the late 1950s, working separately, invented the integrated circuit, better known as the microchip.
You just proved his point. Kilby was at Texas Instruments and Noyce at Fairchild.
Have no idea what you think you were proving but look at IBM's Watson Center, ran rings around all public attempts. Yet --- and here you fall down for taking an either-or view:
Newly discovered documents from Hitler's Germany prove that the computer company IBM directly supplied the Nazis with technology which was used to help transport millions of people to their deaths in the concentration camps at Auschwitz and Treblinka
I already knew this.....further , FDR would not allow even volunteers to bomb the railroad lines to the concentration camps. Both government AND industry need a religious-spiritual outside party so that neither becomes GOD. LYsenkoism shows the evil on thel government side as does Eugenics, syphillis experiments on unsuspecting volunteers (find the video of Hillary Clinton apologizing but do it before you eat)
On the business side there are so many examples. I G Farben is a good one
It wasn't FDR. He played no role in the selection of bombing targets. The generals in Europe decided what to bomb.
This is one reason why the US won the war. FDR didn't micromanage things. Hitler did.
FDR was too busy locking up Japanese.
"what radio astronomy discoveries was Bell Labs noted for after that?"
The cosmic microwave background radiation, discovered in 1964 -- completely by accident. It had zero commercial potential and would never have been funded by the company on purpose.
Yet you publicize that mega-fraud scientific huckster Steven Pinker
"for Pinker there are no bad Enlightenment ideas. One of the features of the comic-book history of the Enlightenment he presents is that it is innocent of all evil. Accordingly, when despots such as Lenin repeatedly asserted that they engaged in mass killing in order to realise an Enlightenment project – in Lenin’s case, a more far-reaching version of the Jacobin project of re-educating society by the methodical use of terror – they must have been deluded or lying. How could a philosophy of reason possibly be implicated in murderous totalitarianism"
We actually do see the evil influence of politics today as RFK Jr. is going to waste a huge amount of money on a vaccines and autism study and is going to try to ban glyphosate, an herbicide that doesn't to anything to animal life other than to enrich morally degenerate ambulance chasers. He killed funding for one of the few recent innovations that actually makes science more efficient, the SmartIRB program that makes collaborative research easier to do. Stopping clinical trials in midstream will kill people. I could go on and on.
If it has any VALUE what-so-ever to the people. EARNING people will finish it. The fact you think Gov-Gun 'Slavery' is the only way anything happens or gets finished just matches your totalitarian, elitist, selfish, greedy, self-entitled mentality of the historical Party of Slavery mentality as well as your mentality that nothing has to be EARNED ... You just go STEAL it.
Everyone, especially the left, has homed in on the MIC part of Eisenhower's speech, but that's a deliberate piece of cherry-picking that misses the larger thesis he's trying to present, which is a warning against the establishment of an overweening technocracy that treats "experts" like omniscient sages, backed by government authority via taxpayer funding, with the expectation of sweeping panaceas for every concievable problem. He's literally arguing that there is a balance that has to be struck between what's desired and what's realistic to accomplish.
To be fair, some of it was extremely naive in hindsight, reflecting the elite pretenses of the time that war could be brought to a minimum through the power of world government--not surprisingly, Eisenhower was closely advised by the Dulles brothers, who were missionaries for the concept.