California Law Strips Licenses from 'Misinformation'-Spreading Doctors
"You have this looming power over you that essentially can end your career," says Stanford's Jay Bhattacharya.
HD DownloadA new California law gives the state unprecedented control over what doctors can say to their patients about COVID-19.
"We've got to stop the disinformation pipeline," an emergency physician supporting California's AB 2098 told the California Assembly in April.
Stanford economist and medical school professor Jay Bhattacharya, a leading critic of the law, says that it "puts the [Center for Disease Control] in the same room with the doctor and the patient," violating a basic trust.
Governor Gavin Newsom signed AB 2098 into law in September, meaning that starting in 2023, doctors who disseminate what the state defines as "misinformation or disinformation related to the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus" can face disciplinary action by the California Medical Board, including being stripped of their licenses.
"It essentially ends your ability to combat bad ideas put out by public health because you have this looming power that over you that essentially can end your career," says Bhattacharya.
He was one of several scientists whose work NIH Director Francis Collins said needed a "quick and devastating published takedown" in an email to Anthony Fauci that was obtained through a FOIA request, after Bhattacharya had participated in the Great Barrington Declaration, an October 2020 open letter calling for an immediate end to the lockdowns and use of an alternative COVID-19 mitigation strategy called "focused protection."
Collins called Bhattacharya—an M.D. and Stanford professor—a "fringe epidemiologist," along with his co-signers, Harvard's Dr. Martin Kulldorff, and Oxford University's Dr. Sunetra Gupta.
"This kind of campaign essentially put the government in the role of suppressing legitimate public policy debate," says Bhattacharya about Fauci and Collin's actions. "The idea was to create this illusion of consensus around the lockdowns that didn't actually exist."
That same illusion of consensus, Bhattacharya says, is what California is leveraging to quash dissent among doctors across the entire state with this new law.
AB 2098 defines COVID-19 "misinformation" as medical advice "contradicted by contemporary scientific consensus," though does not specify how to define such a consensus.
"Regardless of your views on the state of California's coronavirus response policies or their public health policies, I think any person—left, right, liberal, conservative—who goes to their physician and asks them a question about COVID treatment…wants to actually know what their physician thinks," says Aaron Kheriaty, a psychiatrist and former professor who taught bioethics at the University of California, Irvine's medical school. "No one wants a doctor who's just reading from a script that was written by the California Department of Public Health."
U.C. Irvine fired Kheriaty after he refused to comply with the university's vaccine mandate and published an essay critical of the policy. He's also a co-plaintiff in a lawsuit filed by the New Civil Liberties Alliance, a nonprofit law firm that "views the Administrative State as an especially serious threat to constitutional freedoms." The suit, which has yet to be heard, is challenging the California law on the grounds that it violates free speech and due process rights.
"Science and censorship are, in fact, incompatible," says Kheriaty. "[Science] has to be an ongoing, open conversation where debate, where novel perspectives, where challenges to orthodoxy or conventional thinking are not only permitted, but welcomed and then tested against the empirical evidence."
Kheriaty worries that AB 2098 will "lock" whatever the current consensus happened to be into law as "something cannot be challenged." The bill's authors didn't reply to our interview requests, but Democratic Assemblyman Evan Low said this when introducing the bill: "The definition of misinformation is malicious intent. It is very specific, very direct. And it's important that we help the California Medical Board to have these tools and provide an opportunity to save lives."
Bhattacharya points out that medical malpractice laws, which he views as "completely legitimate," already exist to protect patients against malicious or negligent doctors. But he says AB 2098 goes much further by preventing "doctors from dissenting against reigning ideas in public health, even when public health is wrong."
To address these concerns, Governor Gavin Newsom added a signing statement that "this bill does not apply to any speech outside of discussions related to COVID-19 treatment within a direct physician patient relationship." But Bhattacharya says supporters of the law from the very beginning expressed eagerness to use it to silence doctors on social media.
The lawsuit against the new law alleges that one of the groups that lobbied for the law—No License for Disinformation, whose representatives didn't reply to our interview request—regularly threatened dissenting physicians in the lead-up to AB 2098's passage, with one member of the group tweeting at a plaintiff, "I look forward to reporting you to your medical board once a certain law is passed in California." When we reached out, he told us via Twitter DM that "I hope their suit gets tossed" and "they all deserve to lose their licenses."
During testimony in favor of the bill, Nick Sawyer, an emergency medicine doctor and founder of No License for Disinformation, didn't focus on a physician dispensing misinformation to a patient, but rather on a group calling themselves American's Frontline Doctors, who held a press conference in July 2020 promoting treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, which Sawyer described as "the most prolific public showing of misinformation to date."
Regardless of how one feels about the message put forth by this particular group of doctors, Bhattacharya says that mentioning them during the debate of the bill is evidence that the law's target is not only, or even primarily, physicians in practice, but any public dissent from medical doctors.
"The effect of the law will be to suppress free discussion by doctors who are afraid of losing their license if they disagree with public health online and elsewhere," says Bhattacharya.
The rationale written into the text of the law is that COVID-19 has "claimed millions of lives worldwide," including tens of thousands in California and that "the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines have been confirmed through evaluation by the Federal Food and Drug Administration." Kheriaty says this latter claim was "plausible" early on but that the waning efficacy of the vaccine calls for a more nuanced discussion that physicians should be free to have with their individual patients.
"A doctor's recommendation has to be tailored to the needs of this specific patient in front of me," says Kheriaty. "So it's not necessarily the case that a doctor who's recommending the vaccine for an 80-year-old with diabetes would also want to recommend the same vaccine for a six-year-old or a 16-year-old."
Kheriaty says that this law is the latest example of a trend towards an increasingly centralized, bureaucratic health system that prioritizes control and surveillance over individual patient needs, a topic he covers at length in his book The New Abnormal: The Rise of the Biomedical Security State, which he says describes the "melding of public health, digital technologies of surveillance and police powers of the state."
To reverse the trend of increasingly bureaucratic and centralized public health, Kheriaty recommends first ending the declared state of emergency at all levels of government. He also favors decentralizing research funding so that less of it is directed by federal officials like Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins at the National Institutes of Health—both of whom can make or break the career of a scientist by funding or denying them grant money.
The lawsuit against California was filed in November and has yet to be heard by a judge. If no ruling is issued in the coming weeks, AB 2098 will become California law starting January 1.
"Public health should not rule over the public," says Bhattacharya. "Public health should be partners with the public in promoting health. I think 'humility' would be the watch word in my reform of the public health world."
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Governor Gavin Newsom signed AB 2098 into law in September, meaning that starting in 2023, doctors who disseminate what the state defines as "misinformation or disinformation related to the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus" can face disciplinary action by the California Medical Board, including being stripped of their licenses.
Man, this is approaching Josh Hawley levels of red-fanged authoritarianism.
Ok, but medical practice is regulated by the state.
Your medical license is dependent upon practicing medicine in accordance with state guidelines.
Otherwise you might be accused of malpractice.
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"...and did absolutely nothing remarkable..."
Bullshit:
1) DeVos
2) Gorsuch
3) Kavanuagh
4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations.
6) Dow +35%
7) Unemployment at 3.0% (!)
8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
11) Not sure about the tax reform; any "reform" that leaves me subisdizing Musk's customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once. But cutting taxes is good.
12) Pulled support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
15) Killed monbeam’s choo-choo
16) Supported and signed First Step Act.
And finally:
17) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin'
To repeat, I did not vote for the guy; he's a blow-hard and a loose cannon, but by accident or design, he's doing better than any POTUS I can remember
Got another contender?
Add the Abraham Accords which he got zero credit for.
Also add Operation Warpspeed that produced the vaccine that Biden said he didn't trust because Orange Man Bad until he got in there then "safe and effective" without being either.
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And what good came of them? Basically meaningless.
1) Complete nut job - did do some good work on title 9.... but other than that a waste of tax payer money.
2) Gorsuch (meh?)
3) Kavanuagh - not exactly a brilliant constitutional scholar.
4) Ajit Pai - anti net-nutrality - i.e. pro censorship.
5) Yep, knock off a few species from the endangered species list so his son could go hunting. Who needs clean water standards anyway?
6) Dow Jones actually went up 56% over Trump (Jan 2017 to Jan 2021). Of course it went up 149% under Obama and 225% under Clinton. So significantly under performed for Trump.
7) unemployment was 6.3% when he left.
8) Not sure what you mean by "manufacturing index" but I can say the trade deficit went up 40%
9) Health insurance - he promised the best health insurance ever..... still waiting
10) Withdraw from a non-binding agreement. WOW - thank god he saved us. Well, not our grand kids, but us.
11) Tax break for corporations (permanent) and a temporary one for ordinary tax payers - while he paid almost nothing.
12) Who cares?
13) Federal work force when Trump entered office: 1,880,000 Federal work force when Trump left: 1,943,720. So what are you talking about?
14) hahahaha Why would Korea give up its nukes? You are so deluded.
15) Who cares?
16) and supports qualified immunity for bad cops...
Let see, what else
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion. Total debt $30Trillion - the biggest increase by any president.
Oh and this one:
The number of restrictive words and phrases (such as “shall,” “prohibited” or “may not”) contained in the Code of Federal Regulations stayed below 1.08 million for most of 2019— a little below where it was when Trump took office. But as of the day he left office, the count had crept up to just under 1.09 million — an increase of 10,141 (or 0.9%) since Trump’s inauguration.
Here's an easy one. Name one law/bill that the president authored.
Wow. So if the state said that a doctor couldn't advise against puberty blockers, you'd be ok? This is the politicization of medicine.
That's the best hypothetical you could come up with?
A few doctors were directing patients away from proven approach to prevent and treat COVID and towards disproven approaches. The OP goes into a great amount of effort to avoid talking about what these doctors were actually recommending. Guess why?
Personally, I think doctors who recommend known quackery should lose their license to practice in the state. Or, we could make it easier to sue them for malpractice with some adjustments to how malpractice insurance works in order to prevent non-quacks from having to subsidize the crazies.
The next step is civilly committing people who defend "non-consensus science". After all, anyone disagreeing with "the science" (Fauci) must be in a severe semi-psychotic state.
Even, apparently, if you kill your patients.
Sue the state for practicing medicine without a license.
Here in Florida the right wing tried the same thing with the “Docs and Glocks” law. This law prohibited doctors from asking about gun ownership at all. This was a reaction to the American medical association trying to add questions about, and counseling against gun ownership to the quality improvement initiative.
(We should discuss another time what a colossal waste the entire QRS program is)
The law was finally tossed out by the federal courts as a violation of Doctor‘s first amendment rights.
Which is what of course will happen to this California law
Are you sure this is a violation of one's rights? This goes to a doctor's oath and duty of care to their patients. There is no first amendment right to malpractice.
Doctors could ask anything but could not put it into medical records available to the government (all medical records are available since the the incredibly deceptive medical privacy act, HIPAA). That would amount to an enemies list for gun control advocates as well as an illegal list of gun owners for state to use to confiscate firearms after the next "crisis".
The American Academy of pediatrics is a leftist organization and they tried the same thing. They wanted to make a requirement of pediatricians to ask about seatbelt use and gun ownership and counseling against gun ownership.
"Just go home and die".
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How about talking to patients about OC43? Or maybe HKU1? Doesn’t the all knowing state have answers to everything?
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He was one of several scientists whose work NIH Director Francis Collins said needed a "quick and devastating published takedown" in an email to Anthony Fauci
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR's Academy of Sciences, and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.
Not that I'm trying to draw parallels or anything.
It’s not like that at all.
*Rolls eyes.*
It's not called the People's Socialist Democratic Republic of California for nothing.
If you're forbidden from disputing 'The Science', it's no longer science.
It's like we're right back in the 13th century.
"It’s like we’re right back in the 13th century."
Actually, the 13th century wasn't all that bad, at least outside of "The Church,' which was, of course, the supreme arbiter of "The Truth." It was probably easier to evade The Church then than it is to evade The Government today.
It was probably easier to evade The Church then than it is to evade The Government today.
A fair point. With some notable exceptions (like the Albigensians), it was arguably only University professors who got in trouble with the authorities, and mostly only in France. Even Siger of Brabant was able to escape official punishment by fleeing France, although he was ultimately murdered in the streets of Italy (maybe).
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We have reasons for calling them 'regressives'.
^
We have reasons for calling them ‘regressives’.
Schellenberger was actually doing a pretty good job of making this point in a recent Brendan O'Neil podcast - it can seem like a glib attack, but when you pars it out a lot of "progressives" really do seem to want to return to some form of agrarian feudalism.
No, they want US to return to the days of agrarian feudalism. They expect to live in the cities off our backs. Like in ‘The Hunger Games’.
"You will own nothing and you will be happy...eating bugs"
-- Klaus Scwab combined from two of his aphorisms.
Sure, IF. But that isn’t what the OP or the law is actually about. It isn’t about doctors engaging in the scientific method. It’s about doctors using their position of trust to provide unproven medical advice to real people who may be harmed by that advice. It’s about malpractice.
Doctors shouldn’t advice their patients to take unproven or disproven medications to combat COVID. That turns their patients into guinea pigs without informed consent. If a doctor believes drinking bleach is the solution to COVID, they should perform the science, publish the paper, and collaborate with the scientific community. Just telling their patients to take a toxic horse drug isn’t science or ethical care.
Yeh, but what about here, where the government is mandating that barely tested, experimental artificial mRNA gene therapy products (“vaccines”) are required by the lawyers running CA?
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Doesn't he though? It's his main asset, really.
That should be mane asset.
Words and ideas are dangerous.
Given Fauci has taken every position imaginable is there anything that actually falls into this rathole?
What's important is what position Anthony "I am the Science" Fauci is taking right now.
Right now, he "doesn't recall" much of anything except for certainty that a grant for research that he's "barely familiar with" couldn't have possibly been tied to the research that created the virus responsible for the pandemic.
He apparently does recall that "gain of function" research is no longer a thing because the labs and biotech industry "self-regulated" that kind of activity into having a different name in order to sidestep several governmental bans on GoF.
The Hillary defense
So Doctors who spread misinformation about Covid lose their licenses. Will this includes doctors and public health officials who told us that cloth masks would block transmission of a virus? And those who claimed that only the unvaccinated could transmit Covid to others?
Will this includes doctors and public health officials who told us that cloth masks would block transmission of a virus? And those who claimed that only the unvaccinated could transmit Covid to others?
Those things were officially true at the time, so no.
Please remember, the definition of "misinformation" is not information that is necessarily untrue. It is information that goes against what the authorities want you to think is true.
So no, those people will not be punished unless the authorities decide to disavow them.
The authorities want you to believe that bleach tastes bad and could kill you if you drink it.
Nope. But, of course, that should be obvious. At the start of the pandemic when we knew very little about how the virus worked, all of that advice was just standard operating procedure type stuff. So providing the best available information based on the consensus of specialists isn't going to be considered malpractice. And while cloth masks aren't perfect, the supplies of N95 masks were too small to have everyone wear one; hospital staff needed them. Now the advice, as you know, is still N95 masks and they're proven effective on a daily basis in hospitals around the planet.
As COVID has mutated, its properties and effects have changed which also leads to some older advice losing relevance. Transmission of the delta variant by vaccinated individuals was rare but with omicron it's far more common. And as more and more people are vaccinated, the share of vaccinated individuals spreading the newest mutation is higher, especially if they haven't gotten a booster or their booster is old.
And yet, with all of this complexity and change, hydroxychloroquine is still a toxic horse drug that doesn't do anything to help with COVID in patients.
"Science and censorship are, in fact, incompatible," says Kheriaty. "[Science] has to be an ongoing, open conversation where debate, where novel perspectives, where challenges to orthodoxy or conventional thinking are not only permitted, but welcomed and then tested against the empirical evidence."
Which is exactly where the climate change religion falls on its face. Not a single, specific, prediction by ANY catastrophist has shown accurate numbers. Not a ONE!
“[Science] has to be an ongoing, open conversation where debate, where novel perspectives, where challenges to orthodoxy or conventional thinking are not only permitted, but welcomed and then tested against the empirical evidence.”
This doesn't even go far enough.
Challenging orthodox, conventional thinking is what science is. It progresses by testing the orthodox and conventional against observation.
“Challenging orthodox, conventional thinking is what science is. It progresses by testing the orthodox and conventional against observation.”
That type of talk, sir, is exactly how white supremacy works.
Sounds like something a witch would say, if you ask me.
"Not a single, specific, prediction by ANY catastrophist has shown accurate numbers."
Your right, sea level rise has been slightly more than predicted because early predictions under estimated the contribution from ice sheets and glaciers.
Not sure how that makes things 'better'
1) Climate is changing and seemingly more rapid than ever before.
2) The primary cause seems to be CO2 in the air
3) the primary cause for increased CO2 is from burning hydrocarbons - primarily man's use combustible fuels.
Show me one SCIENTIFIC paper that refutes any of those statements.
One prediction was successful "If I say I will prove Catastrophic Climate Change and ask for a grant I will receive the money."
Are eggs good or bad for you? Is coffee good or bad for you? Are saturated fats good or bad for you? Is red meat good or bad for you? Is a little wine good or bad for you? Are carbohydrates good or bad for you? Better know that shit if you're a doctor.
Yes to all
"This kind of campaign essentially put the government in the role of suppressing legitimate public policy debate," says Bhattacharya about Fauci and Collin's actions. "The idea was to create this illusion of consensus around the lockdowns that didn't actually exist."
Ok, the good [albeit deluded, in my view at least] people of California voted for this; they even voted against Newsome's recall; so let them fucking have it. I suspect the main goal is to punish naysayers who don't tow the line of the day. The authorities will let you know what you should say when they want you to say it.
Sign at TX border: Doctors welcome!
Dear whining California doctors.
Just for the record, there are a bunch of old people in Florida, and they get sick all the time.
(And if you sell a California house, you can probably afford a Florida house)
And if you sell a California house, you can probably afford
a3 or 4 Florida houseMy daughter just finished a stint as a travel RN in California. Her descriptions would have made good copy for a conservative news outlet; conclusion is that the majority of the natives of the place are totally fucked in the head and are beyond hope.
From Bad To Worse
Speaking as a physician, I say with some authority American medicine is going from bad to worse. Politicians, bureaucrats, profiteers, and lawyers are pounding physicians into the ground. Who suffers most? Patients.
"Yes, we can give you an appoint with Dr. Nurse in a month."
"No, I want to see a real doctor!"
"Well, in that case I can squeeze you in to see Doctor Doctor in three months."
Upon arrival three months later, a technician takes your history and vital signs. Half an hour later, Doctor Doctor, a graduate of a "medical school" in Uganda, enters and, according to a study, spends 19-seconds discussing your Chief Complaint with his/hers/its back turned to you while entering your data into a computer. Then, he/she.it asks a few more questions while facing the screen. Finally, Doctor Doctor looks at you briefly before telling you the medications to be prescribed. Visit over.
My experience is that appointments with Doctor Doctor are really appointments with Doctor Nurse, just with cameo appearance by Doctor Doctor.
That said I'm actually quite satisfied seeing my Doctor Nurse and actually prefer her to most Doctor Doctors I've seen.
I feel that way about my father’s PCP.
"This Office Does Not Treat Patients For Covid-19"
Welcome to California: No Opinions Allowed
Did you ask the Nazi's for their blessing first?
You can't just go around helping people without the Nazi-Blessing ya know.
And so it should be. Doctors who substitute Political opinion for medical advice should be barred from practicing medicine. Let them become naturopaths, then they can prescribe snake oil nostrums to the ignorant.
You are absolutely right! How dare those politically motivated medical practitioners who in the 1950s dared to dissent from the consensus belief that “homosexuality“ was a mental illness! Or how about those politically motivated doctors who, a few decades earlier, dared to suggest that eugenics was bunk! We simply cannot afford to have politically motivated people challenging accepted beliefs like those!
Thalidomide will cure morning sickness
These are opinions related to scientific consensus. The one key difference between them and COVID misinformation provided to patients is---drum roll--the patients. If a doctor in the 1950s thought homosexuality wasn't a mental illness, did that harm patients? No. But if a doctor in 2020 tells their patients to avoid vaccines, forget face masks, and take a toxic horse drug to treat COVID, that's malpractice; it hurts actual people and makes them more likely to get sick and possibly die.
Doctors are allowed to have opinions, engage in actual science, and participate in their professional community. They are not allowed to give harmful advice to their patients, especially when the larger scientific community agrees the advice is harmful.
So of course Anthony Fauci, who once told people masks don't need to be worn because they don't help, would lose any ability to practice medicine?
Well, yes, had he continued to do that after evidence started showing up on his desk that he was initially wrong. He famously changed his opinion on that. That's how actual science works.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Choose superstition, disaffected politics, and belligerent ignorance over science, reason, and the reality-based world, lose your professional credentials.
The world needs ditchdiggers, too.
Carry on, clingers. So far as your betters permit, that is.
Spoken like a true inquisitor.
So you're describing exactly what the covid fanatics did with their power. Well done.
Feel free to take as many shots as you want Artie. Preferably from a 17 year old little boy wielding an AR-15, like your pedophile and spouse abusing buddies in WI.
You literally described your position and then blamed it on others.
You just described your self to a ‘T’ Arty.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
bigot
noun
big·ot ˈbi-gət
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
How much more perfectly can he fit the definition?
So have you seen the latest German study---appears that COVID-19 vaxxes have killed people.
That was 100% guaranteed to happen, depending on the composition of the vaccine and individual reactions to those substances. So what's your point?
Free clue: people had/have bad reactions to the polio vaccine, smallpox vaccine, you name it. This is a known issue with all drugs. Literally billions of people have gotten the vaccine at this point. It's saved countless lives.
But it is not effective against the newer variants whose lethality is far less than the original variant.
If the polio vaccine was no longer effective against a new strain of polio, then the deaths and injuries from the vaccine would make it useless to use especially if the new strain had a much lower injury and death rate than the original strain.
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Given that CDC has been wrong about ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, a doctor who goes against the “accepted narrative” is a a gold star in my book. Those doctors should leave the state and let them suffer with no health care.
"Science and censorship are, in fact, incompatible," says Kheriaty. "[Science] has to be an ongoing, open conversation where debate, where novel perspectives, where challenges to orthodoxy or conventional thinking are not only permitted, but welcomed and then tested against the empirical evidence."
How fucking old is Kheriaty? That may have been true for old-fashioned "science", as promoted during the dark days of white male supremacy. But in the woke era, Science! always aligns with the proper orthodoxy, and any dissension will be punished as heresy.
When the non-medical pols who decide what constitutes "public health" are desperate to mandate that school-age children all receive the latest "bivalent" booster (which the FDA literally doesn't know whether it's actually effective OR safe), would they actually threaten to revoke the license of a physician who opts not to recommend the shot for a child who has at most a 1 in 10000 chance of requiring any kind of hospital treatment if they get the virus (which they have most likely already had anyway)?
Hey. The original experimental artificial mRNA gene therapy products (“vaccines”) were neither safe, nor effective, nor were they anywhere adequately tested, so why expect anything new with the “bivalent” version? The original vaccines were targeted to (and generated) Wuhan (originally genetically decoded) variant spike proteins. They completely disappeared in this country, except in the vaccines, by the first of this year. Omicron had effectively mutated around the vaccines, by tweaking its spike proteins. Didn’t matter, they continue to this day, with the bivalent version, shooting people full of toxic Wuhan spike generating artificial mRNA.
Easy answer: No.
Reason: there are lots of situations where vaccines are not appropriate. There wouldn't be any need for exceptions otherwise. So if a doctor, in their professional judgement, says that a vaccine is not the right choice for that patient, they're safe. (Provided they aren't out there saying no one should get the vaccine, even the elderly, without some actual evidence to back up their position.)
I would suggest that there are far more situations where them experimental artificial mRNA gene therapy products (“vaccines”) were not appropriate. What no one wants to really discuss is the medical purpose of filling people full of slowly degrading mRNA that produces toxic obsolete Wuhan variant spike proteins - well after their immune systems have been trained to recognize and react to such.
Is misinformation such a huge problem that the state legislature felt it had to terminate the Constitution?
Prediction: Doctors flee Commiefornia
I’ve said for years that if Trump had put California under martial law during his presidency, that Californians would have more functional freedom than they do now under Newsom.
Most populated state in the union. If it was its own country, it's GDP would rank between 5th and 7th (generally tied with France.) But sure, 40 million people hate it here so badly they'd flee if there was a law that said professional malfeasance could be punished by loss of a license.
Frankly, any doctor that believes they're at risk of losing their license because they believe firmly that hydroxychloroquine and other veterinary drugs are the solution have already moved to Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
So the obvious question is, who determines what is misinformation or disinformation! Doctors are ALL basically scientists who have been trained and have hopefully been lifelong learners. Some are obviously smarter than others. We all know the best and the brightest in any field do not go work for the government. It is simply more California communist control and has nothing to do with health. I'm not a Doctor but my wife is. I'm a fencing contractor with an opinion. Fence Company Keller TX
"...Doctors are ALL basically scientists who have been trained and have hopefully been lifelong learners..."
Been around a while, and dealt with, uh, ~15 MDs (including the military's), but probably only 6-7 (some socially) sufficient to judge their dedication to knowledge.
Gonna go with some 50%+ percent matching your description; many seem to have decided that 8 years in school was enough to get a ride on the gravy train.
AFAIK, the requirements for documenting continuing education are less than rigorous; attending a conference and signing up for a seminar suffices, even if you play some golf instead of attending said seminar (I 'worked' medical shows for many years; 'nuff said).
Wouldn't trade my doc for any I've had; she really keeps on top of new info. But suffice to say her critical thinking skills do not get a 10 on a 10 scale.
Pretty sure we can place Fauci at 5 on both honesty and critical thinking scales by comparison; as an MD, he's a successful bureaucrat.
Few realize this.. the family doctor is not the same as a virology researcher is not the same as a public health doctor.
The family doctor is a pattern matching engine. They are trained with algorithms to determine which treatment to apply. Digging any deeper will often disappoint.
At the same time, the guy who runs a big virology lab at UCLA with 12 post docs and dozens of grad students is probably not the guy to go to if you want to get a checkup and general treatment for whatever ails your 47 year old body. He is going to be an expert in the biochemistry of his chosen virus and in writing grants and obtaining funding.
The guy who decides "this is misinformation" is going to be an expert in politics and in deciding who is opposing his party's power.
And who might make him look for a less-cushy job.
The persons who decide if it's misinformation are going to be judges and juries, in the long run, as this is effectively a malpractice type situation. If the GOP hadn't decided COVID was a great political differentiator, there wouldn't be any political aspect to this disease (or HIV, either.)
Here is the actual medical board for California. Packed with MDs.
How, exactly, does this article about Gavin New some and the state of California enacting dystopian anti-soeech and anti-science laws further the cause of focusing on providing wall to wall anti DiSantis coverage?
Good job Zach!
We don't need to convince people, or reflect on why they might not trust us, or just let them do what they want.
No, we need to SILENCE those who disagree!
If you are a state-licensed physician you have to practice according to state guidelines or lose your license.
And if those guidelines require you to use evidence-based/peer-reviewed data to guide your practice, there's simply no way you can do that while espousing the various nonsensical conspiracy theories (such as the vaccines being unsafe, or anti-malarials/antibiotics working on viruses) that are relevant to this discussion.
Biggest shock to me was that doctors were humans and subject to all the various human failures, like believing conspiracy theories.
Except that you can’t produce the peer reviewed articles to support any of your claims. Articles publish almost daily now about the dangers of these experimental artificial mRNA gene therapy products (“vaccines”). But you do you, and I’ll do me. You keep taking jabs of these gene therapy products, and I won’t, and we can see in a year or two which one of us has gotten COVID-19 again, which hasn’t, which one of us is alive, and which isn’t. We can then have an autopsy done, looking for the spike proteins in inappropriate locations, like the heart, brain, ovaries/testes, etc, or large clots never seen before your supposedly completely safe “vaccine”.
That is utter nonsense. Doctors primarily prescribe things that other doctors told them about. They use off label drugs all the time without any "peer-reviewed, evidence based" data.
There is no Fountain of Truth anymore than there is a Fountain of Youth. Knowledge is gained from the bottom up, by use, not by declarations from on high. The very experiments and research that you lionize came from ideas derived from clinical experience. Peer reviewed papers are the last part of the chain of knowledge, not the first.
See Matt Ridley's work on innovation.
If you practice medicine in a way that is medically harmful to your patients, you can lose your license to practice.
That’s the whole point of physician licensing in the first place.
And it’s hard to argue that practicing medicine based on internet conspiracy theories & research-disproven conjecture** during a pandemic is not within the scope of that…
CA also has the unfortunate history of dealing with left-wing medical moonbattery vs-a-vs the 1st-gen anti-vaxxers (Jenny McCarthy & friends)… And the resulting outbreaks of previously extirpated diseases that followed….
** The ‘conjecture’ is the original theory behind the ‘repurposed drugs’ nonsense, namely that low reported COVID infection/death in Africa was caused by widespread use of HCQ/ivermectin/etc to treat parasitic infections (and thus this was ‘proof’ that those drugs worked on COVID) – rather than by the far more logical combination of poor testing/reporting infrastructure (eg, most COVID cases/deaths going undetected) & natural isolation of populations…
California Law Strips Licenses from ‘Competent‘ Doctors In Favor of Lying Government Hack Doctor
If you get cancer, a chemo doctor will tell you that you need chemo, a surgeon will tell you that you need surgery. Which one should have his license revoked?
Stupid germ theory that Frenchman Pasture has.... anyone promoting it should loose their medical license.