Corey DeAngelis: How COVID Has Changed the Face of Education Forever
The school-choice scholar and activist explains why "backpack funding" is here to stay, why Texas is terrible on school choice, why CRT bans are a bad idea, and why even non-parents should care about radical reform.
Of all the dislocations caused by government responses to COVID-19, arguably none were more disruptive to everyday life than the shutting down of in-person education for the country's 50 million public K-12 students and their parents.
Teachers unions fought to keep schools online even as evidence piled up that remote learning was disastrous for poor kids especially, and as the experiences of other developed countries, which mostly continued to operate in person, demonstrated that schools weren't a major source of infection.
The results were easy to predict: historic declines in reading and math scores. Major school districts continue to alienate parents. Washington, D.C., recently decreed that kids ages 12 and older would need to be vaccinated even for remote learning, a measure that would have barred 40 percent of the city's black teens from getting an education. That policy was, thankfully, pushed back until January 2023, but it's still on the books, lurking like a bully at the far end of the hallway.
More parents than ever have exited major urban school districts and school choice proponents are building on recent policy victories, such as Arizona's new law in which money follows the child, with up to $7,000 that can be used at any public or private school in the state.
The politics of school choice are already a major issue in the midterm elections and will be again in 2024, especially as internal polls conducted by the American Federation of Teachers find for the first time that voters in battleground states are more likely to agree that Republicans are better on education than Democrats.
What happens next?
At FreedomFest, the annual July gathering in Las Vegas, Reason's Nick Gillespie talked with Corey DeAngelis, a senior fellow at the American Federation for Children, and a senior fellow at Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason. We talked about how COVID has permanently reshaped the education landscape, why top-down bans on critical race theory are ineffective and anti-freedom, why some red states like Texas are terrible on school choice, and why all of us, whether or not we have kids in K-12 schools, should all be invested in radical reform.
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Music Credits: "Release the Hounds (instrumental version)," by Michael Shynes, via Artlist.
Interview by Nick Gillespie. Edited by Regan Taylor and Adam Czarnecki.
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Of all the dislocations caused by government responses to COVID-19, arguably none were more disruptive to everyday life than the shutting down of in-person education for the country's 50 million public K-12 students and their parents.
Now there's a quote that doesn't exist if I've never seen one.
According to the narrative, Reason blames the virus, not government responses.
Then there's this gem:
Republicans are better on education than Democrats
That definitely doesn't exist because doesn't fit the "BOFF SIDEZ REPUBLICANS ARE ALWAYS WORSE WAAHH!" narrative about Reason.
Yeah. Nothing to see here.
Move along.
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Let’s take a look at your post.
A) no criticism of the left, instead a deflection and attack on your perceived enemies.
B) those perceived enemies were talking these issues in 2020 and didn’t wait until after the fact to criticize the harm of shutting down.
C) reason had at best a tepid response and no real denunciation often promoting testing and remote learning as sufficient.
D) the posters you hate called them out on these behaviors where reason didn’t stand on principles.
E) your take is others are wrong to make these criticisms despite being proven right now.
F) your criticism is also based on a strawman instead if admitting those you hate were right in their earlier statements. So you make a strawman you jeff and Mike claim about people saying reason never makes these stances when the argument is generally they ignore it or make a slow tepid response to principled takes.
Youre broken.
That's quite the response to an off-the-cuff post meant to mock people like you who bitch, bitch, whine and then bitch some more when reason says "Because of COVID" instead of "Because of the government's response to COVID" before your whine reaches a high, fevered pitch about how Reason always favors Democrats with regards to everything.
Glad someone put a lot of thought into this. It wasn't me.
Glad someone put a lot of thought into this. It wasn’t me.
Nobody was under the impression you put a lot of thought into your posts. The urine-soaked bedsheets you hang out the window for all to see reek of a desperate cry for attention.
It's sarcasmic's most sarcasmic comment yet. He's always complaining that people can't tell when he's being serious or sarcastic of just pontificating.
I don't care anymore. So suck it.
You never did care. You always did suck at not caring.
I'm getting better at it.
Oh fuck off. You just baked a giant troll cake with your very first post, and now you're mad about having to eat it.
Off the cuff? You do this all the time. It isnt off the cuff. You do it intentionally to deflect.
You do it intentionally to deflect.
Yeah. Me pointing out how you whine and bitch and moan about how Reason doesn't do this that or the other thing is deflectiong.
Your whining, bitching and moaning is the deflecting. Deflecting saying "BOAF SIDEZ" so any criticism of your dear, dear Republicans will be overlooked and turned into an attack on the messenger.
You are what you hate. It's hilarious.
I explicitly called out the strawman you formed and why your argument is idiotic. It is right above. You responded to it. Take time and try to process it. Mouth the words. Ask someone to read it to you. Then come back.
Oh fuck, don't mention strawman. Sarcasmic thinks that means anything that makes you mad.
No you didn't. You made shit up and argued against it. It's all you do.
No, it is just above. Again. You replied to it. Read it slowly. Have someone help you understand what it means. Then come back.
You are ascribing motive and intent to inaction.
May as well say "You didn't do this which means that and if you don't say what I want I'm gonna tell everybody!"
You must have enjoyed high school.
You must have enjoyed high school.
Most people did. Probably because they didn't spend all day hanging out at the debate club trolling the people trying to have reasoned discussions like a miserable douchebag.
"I don’t care anymore. So suck it."
^ You actually wrote that just 20 minutes ago and then posted another half-dozen times. You sow fallacy and cultivate invective.
And already he lights the victim signal.
Your intent is obvious to everyone sarc.
Got any more ad hominems?
God damn. Will you please read the definition of an ad hominem dumb fuck.
Hey, dipshit, you actually have to make a valid argument to be the target of an ad hominem attack. It is a fallacy related to logic and it makes you look stupid when you use to describe insults.
A general rule of mine is that if JesseAz writes a sentence that contains some form of the second person, then it's a bunch of shit.
Your entire post was forming sentences of other people. Lol.
God damn. It is like you enjoy being a hypocrite.
Tu quoque! Tu quoque!
Which isn't a fallacy when describing someone's own behaviors counter to accusations of others.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Bro, your 'off the cuff' remark was half a page long. This is your "I was only pretending to be retarded" moment.
The whole thing was idiotic. There was never any good reason to mask, vaccinate, or shut down in school education. Vaxing is probably the worst aspect, likely costing many more lives than saved - kids are more likely to be killed by drunk drivers, drive by shootings, violence in the home, etc, that by the virus, absent well known comorbidities, while the mRNA vaccines, in particular, appear to be even more dangerous in kids than in older adults. Note they are still pushing dangerous mRNA vaccines on kids, requiring it for some school systems, despite these vaccines being 100% mismatched with Omicron variants (we really haven’t seen the pre-Omicron ancestral spike proteins since the beginning of this year).
Apparently, many teachers (and esp their union leadership) prefer teaching COVID-19 restrictive environments. They don’t have to deal with disruptive students, and often don’t even need to go into work. What’s not to love?
Those newfangled mRNA vaccines have been in development since the 70s. It's not new technology.
Tell me you don't understand the actual science without telling me.
Tell me about the different parts of the immune system, and how different vaccines work.
Just a 30,000 feet view.
We could all appreciate your knowledge.
Here’s what we do know. These vaccines comprise mRNA in a capsid thought to be safe (some evidence that it it isn’t). The mRNA does one thing – it produces, sometimes for months, the two spike proteins from the ancestral SARS-CoV-2 virus. These are used by the virus to enter cells, primarily for this virus, through use of our ACE2 receptors. It was quick and dirty, with scientists very quickly finding the stretches of viral RNA that generate the spike proteins from its decoded genome, adding on the mRNA 5’ cap and UTR and 3’ UTR and tail, and inserting it in the capsid.
Except that a couple things intervened. First, mRNA doesn’t last naturally very long in the body. It typically breaks down, or is broken down by the immune system, very quickly – in minutes, or maybe a quarter hour. This made manufacture, transportation, and storage difficult. This was one reason that the weak link in RNA, much of the Uridine (U) (replaced by thymine(T) in DNA), was replaced by N1-Methylpseudouridine (m1Ψ). The result was that the mRNA in the vaccines was much more stable than normal mRNA – unfortunately too much more stable, since it has been known to persist for months (at least 2, but there are reports of 4 months) after vaccinations, merrily pumping out the S1 and S2 spike proteins from the ancestral variant the entire time. Also, unfortunately, the safety of the vaccine was apparently based on the rapid breakdown of normal mRNA at the injection site, preventing it from migrating throughout the body. Except that the manufactured mRNA doesn’t break down quickly, but instead is salvaged through the lymphatic system, and thence sent out through the circulatory system to various, sometimes inconvenient, locations in the body, where it accumulates (such as in heart muscles for myocarditis). After the first injection, the immune system recognizes the spike proteins as pathogens, and destroys cells exhibiting them – and the results can be fatal if the cells are located in inconvenient locations (e.g. heart muscles for myocarditis).
The other issue is that this virus mutates rather quickly, as many respiratory viruses do. Omicron essentially mutated around the spike proteins in the archaic variant (utilized by the vaccines). It’s more contagious, but less deadly, than Delta, which it pushed out of the US population by the first of this year. That means that since the first of the year, mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (and esp boosters) have sensitized our immune systems to a portion of the virus no longer circulating in the US. Because of the complete mismatch between the vaccines and the circulating variants, that means that the only thing the vaccines do right now is cause a significant immune response by the immune system responding to a massive dose of archaic spike proteins in those inconvenient locations, from the vaccines. Since the immune system isn’t actually attacking the virus, but cells containing spike proteins from the mRNA (which is hidden by the Methylpseudouridine (m1Ψ) from the immune system), DEFCON V Is declared, and the massive immune response provides some immune benefits – except that immune reservoirs are often exhausted as a result, allowing long controlled chronic viruses and some cancers to escape.
C'mon. Tell us what parts of the immune system are activated by different vaccines! Tell us the pros and cons of the different jabs! Regale us with your learned lore!
Lolwut. This isn’t responsive to your initial post where you claim it has been developed since the 70s as if applicable to the post. It has never had widespread testing or usage prior to the last few years.
Again, you argue from ignorance as your basic path.
Then again you kept claiming masks were also effective. Meh.
Personal attacks instead of answers. That's the hallmark of someone who is full of shit.
Are you capable of comprehending what you read? Because it seems you are not.
How do you not get embarrassed for being a laughed at fool daily?
"Those newfangled mRNA vaccines have been in development since the 70s"
That's a pile of horseshit, unless you're including predictions and thought experiments.
If that's the case then warp speed engines are currently in development.
mRNA wasn't even isolated and described until 1961.
sarcasmic baits. JeeseAz bites.
Bites what? He isnt baiting shit. This is who he is. A failure who now runs protection for the few people left who don’t call him out. Youre free to join him.
Wouldn't be shocked if this was a sarc sock.
This is what you're defending.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded
I don't think Its_Not_Inevitable was defending anything. It's true that Sarcasmic was trying to bait us initially and somewhat succeeded.
The retarded thing about Sarcasmic though is he usually forgets he was trolling and as he starts reading the responses he gets all offended and starts playing the victim.
He is the Master Baiter.
I am a mere apprentice.
And he still remain terrible at trying to be funny. Fat 45 year old receptionists have better comedic output than you.
Gimme their number so I can steal their jokes.
This is your stolen material? Worse than I thought.
I find Sarcasmic unintentionally hilarious, tbqh. Top notch lolcow.
Yeah, but you’re laughing at instead of with.
No number. Full of shit as usual.
Poor sarc.
I bet you get punched in the face at parties a lot. Oh, who am I kidding. You've never been invited to a party.
Definitely not a half million dollar air bnb as a humble brag. Lol. That was such a happy weekend for you.
You can't even get the rumor right. Half million? *scoff*
It was your story. We just laughed at it.
The Commentariat doesn't bother reading the articles it comments on, why why the hell does it need to read any of Gillespie before declaring him a shill for Biden?
Nobody did that, but that didn't stop you two lefties from playing the victim.
Besides, Gillespie shills for Polis, not Biden.
No one's arguing they're not chasing the ambulance now.
Bottom line, had Reason been leading the charge on this stuff, their youtube channel would have been banned and demonetized just like everyone who was leading the charge on this was. Reason stayed "safe".
The fact they were worried more about demonitization that has bear zero effect on their paychecks shows they aren't principled.
It's why Dr. Fauci agreed to be interviewed by Robby Soave, but not Kim Iversen. Let that sink in for a moment.
Yeah, the dreaded Covids haven't affected me in the slightest. Jackboot-slurping shitlibs have tried to fuck up my life, unsuccessfully due to much effort on my part.
OUr local school board made up of the usual PTA moms who have zero critical thinking skills and are there to ensure special treatment for their kids/friends kids who voted them in just hired an "Equity Officer"..$150K a year for what? Pushing cultural Marxism and ensuring "white kids" are not allowed to excel. Sorry Nick, the communist agenda has invaded our schools and we are paying for them to attack us and destroy our kids. It is time for teacher unions to be banned, CRT removed in schools and MAP degenerates identified and banned from schools.
First, we had "diversity officers in Schools..they helped hit the racial quota for govt and made the administrators feel better about themselves, but they didn't really impose their wokeness on the kids. But it wasn't enough..now it is about total control and installing cultural Marxism in our schools...it is time to reject DIE at every level in schools...every level..
Teachers Unions are for and represent teachers, not children/ students.
Is that so hard to understand? They don't give a flying fuck about your kids, just their pay, benefits, and pensions.
It's the same thing on taxation: teachers unions want more of it, because it's what pays their salaries. I don't know a lot of people who actually pay taxes that think those taxes should be higher when the rubber actually hits the road.
They don’t give a flying fuck about your kids, just their pay, benefits, and pensions.
If that was all they cared about, they would be tolerable. The PEUs were taken over by their Marxist factions once the organizations had achieved their major goals, which they did in the early 80s. The 'public sector penalty' has been a myth for 40 years. From starting salaries to pensions, they long ago passed parity with the private sector for the equivalent education and accomplishments. The private sector may have a higher wage ceiling, but the public sector has power and job protection.
Ok, pay, benefits, pensions, and ideology [I'll give you that].
Chicago teachers union does come to mind.
The Covid narrative made lots of people dumber, Sarc, Mike, etc. come to mind.
^ I love this guy just for the handle...
"why Texas is terrible on school choice"
They're no Jared Polis. *sigh*
Yes Polis...please equity and gender "affirming" experts please come into our schools and "help" kids rat out their parents and agree to puberty blockers or sexual mutilation...JC Reason..we are talking about degenerates invading the schools...
If CRT bans are a bad idea, are Creationism bans a bad idea too?
Meanwhile, schools in Frederick county, Maryland now have “equity officers” this year and teacher equity training has begun. My wife brought home some of the materials.
Of the three example scenarios of concerning (and presumably reportable behaviors): the first involves a student overhearing two teachers in a private conversation being oppressed by the fact that they believed kids could do better on tests if they spoke better English.
The second involves a transitioning middle schooler being told by another student that they shouldn’t be in the opposite sex’s bathroom. So I guess that’s a settled thing for 6th graders in my county now (grooming isn’t just what’s being taught it’s what’s being catered to)
And the third was some outrageously racist comment from a white student to a black student straight out of Mississippi burning. Which was apparently perfectly ok before equity officers came to save us all from racism.
I'm just a short hop down 270 from you, and am very happy that the stepdaughter is no longer in MCPS. The woke bullshit had started, but not yet grown into the horrid monster it is presently when she graduated.
Ha! My family fled from the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County in the late 80s, in the back of a Pontiac Firebird. But it followed us…you can only outrun The Nothing for so long.
Hell, bring back prayer in schools. First amendment.
this is the flaw in all the "Desantis is a fascist!!!!" bullshit.
The government LITERALLY owns and runs the public schools, and is the final arbiter of all curriculum decision.
Everyone on the left cheers when tearchers and schools are *forced* to teach evolution, or cant teach the bible or , god forbig they are banned from teeaching white supremacy.
They are FINE with state governments asserting control over public schools. Which , by defnintion, they have full control of.
No, the illness was not the cause of the harm; that's a result of the actions of the tin-pot-dictator wannabes.
The death of public schools cannot come soon enough
More parents than ever have exited major urban school districts
I have yet to see see any school choice article at Reason address what, for me, is the elephant in the room. Accountability. Those on the right have spent the last three decades pushing for accountability in public schools.
Jeb Bush in Florida made the A+ Plan his signature achievement as governor, where schools receive letter grades based on student performance on state tests. Schools that receive F’s repeatedly can then be taken over by state bureaucrats instead of local bureaucrats. Later GOP governors and legislatures built on that and included student test scores in teacher evaluations. That resulted in districts creating tests for courses that weren’t covered by state tests in order to comply with state laws that teacher’s evaluations had to include a student performance measure.
Not to be outdone, Jeb’s older brother pushed No Child Left Behind as President to require schools across the country to engage in high-stakes standardized testing. All of this has been a boon for school choice advocates as it arms them with data about how poorly students perform in poor, urban areas. School choice to the rescue, they say.
Left unsaid is how parents are supposed to choose among private schools when none of that kind of data is collected and made publicly available on private schools. As much as it might make sense to think that parents with the power to move their children will hold private schools accountable, parents still need data to make an informed choice in the first place. And they will need data once their child is at the school to know whether that school is working for their child. Or, at least, that is the supposed purpose of all of that testing in public schools, right? To understand how well the schools perform?
…and school choice proponents are building on recent policy victories, such as Arizona’s new law in which money follows the child, with up to $7,000 that can be used at any public or private school in the state.
$7000 a year may cover the tuition at some private schools, but look at any list in any metro area of the top private schools and that will fall thousands of dollars a year short. In Pheonix, I couldn’t find a private school among the top schools at privateschoolreview with less than $9500 a year tuition, while even some of the Catholic schools on that list were $15,000 a year.
They plan on discussing how Texas is bad on school choice, but no doubt they will hold up Florida as a model of it done well. But Florida’s school choice systems have next to zero accountability. Search “schools without rules” to find the series of articles one Florida newspaper did exposing just how little accountability there is in the system. Schools were found that forged fire safety reports, closed in the middle of the school year with no notice due to financial mismanagement, having hired people with criminal records, and more. Some of these schools are no more than people without any training as educators and no college degrees monitoring students as they work through homeschooling materials.
It would be interesting to see if school choice politicians would be willing to make a deal. “Backpack” funding, but schools that accept those vouchers would be required to have the same level of scrutiny of student performance as the regular public schools. And, of course, the private school would not be able to turn away or expel a student for reasons that a regular public school could not. Sound fair?