Don't Jail Trump for the January 6 Riot
Though morally responsible for the attack on the Capitol and unfit for office, he’s protected by the First Amendment from legal liability.
HD DownloadAs the latest testimony at the January 6 committee hearings makes clear, there is no doubt that former President Donald Trump is morally responsible for the attack on the U.S. Capitol.
But there's a big difference between being morally responsible and being criminally liable, and anyone who thinks this is going to end with Trump being prosecuted for incitement, and then going to prison, desperately needs a reality check.
Eyewitness testimony from the January 6 hearings earlier this week does show that Trump wanted his supporters to march to the Capitol. "I will be making a Big Speech at 10AM on January 6th at the Ellipse (South of the White House)," he wrote in a draft tweet that was never sent "Please arrive early, massive crowds expected. March to the Capitol after. Stop the Steal!!"
On December 19, he tweeted: "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
During his actual speech just before the attack, Trump told his supporters to "fight like hell" and to march to the Capitol "peacefully and patriotically." Shortly after, the protests got out of hand, and some members of the crowd smashed the windows of the Capitol, pushed past police, and invaded the building.
It's fair to hold Trump responsible for that; if he had not stoked the mob's anger by falsely claiming, repeatedly, that Democrats were stealing the election from him, there would have been no riot.
But do Trump's actions meet the legal definition of incitement to violence? No.
Under federal law, incitement is defined as "urging or instigating other persons to riot." The landmark 1969 Supreme Court case Brandenburg v. Ohio established that speech must be both likely to incite "imminent lawless action" and "directed" at achieving that result.
Trump's words inspired lawless action but didn't specifically call on the mob to engage in it. Asking his supporters to march to the Capitol is protected by the First Amendment.
Now some media commentators have said that recent testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide, changes the equation: She said under oath that Trump knew that some of the protesters were armed with weapons, and didn't seem to care.
But that isn't legally relevant. People don't lose their First and Second Amendment rights just because they're exercising them at the same time.
We should be glad that these rights are protected by the Constitution. You may not like Trump. Personally, I think he's unfit for office. But we don't want to live in a country where people can be sent to jail because they said the wrong thing. Everybody benefits from a legal regime in which the rights to speak, to protest, and to be armed are vigorously protected.
So let's not send Trump to jail. Let's just never send him back to the White House.
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But 1 / 6 was exactly like 9 / 11! In fact it was arguably worse!
You wouldn't have defended Osama on "free speech" grounds would you??????
#Resist
How about defending him on 2nd amendment grounds?
2A? You mean the part that only grants people the right to own an 18th century musket while serving in a militia? Not sure why that's relevant.
#LivingConstitution
#(Sometimes)
Living constitution means a dead republic. Foolish one......
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My friend, perhaps you should graduate to a comedy blog or stand-up. Your talents are wasted on mere comments.
This is a cogent remark. If These States were surrounded by laissez-faire free trade democracies there would be little to fear. But in fact aside from Switzerland & Netherlands, ALL governments out there are dedicated to the initiation of deadly force with any superstition or altruist homily serving as pretext. States are to defend against invasion, even nuclear attack, and the Second Amendment includes the sort of nuclear weapons liable to bake incoming warheads with neutrons, making them into duds.
The second amendment does not say you can only own a musket. Liberals are communists.
They could have also legally owned a cannon.
Still can and own a machine gun or automatic rifle too. Government has stipulations that made them expensive to purchase (automatics that is, I have not priced cannons). All the rules and laws have had no effect on the criminal element only the law-abiding which is a claim non can make- "law abiding".
Are the dems having a hearing or trial or are the 3 branches now merged? "Testimony" means what? Who are the sponsors of this series? Flat Earth Foods? And who claims 9/11 was a government overthrow attempt when the overthrowers are all dead and included death in the plan? And why did Trump waste 4 years in office and not take over and overthrow or did he order his troops to stop him? Is an election an attempt to overthrow or take over and change government. Can a living Constitution walk away and be hit by a bus causing an overthrow?
It's about 4.9 times less than 9/11 actually. If I'm doing my math right.
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2977 people died on 911. Multiple buildings destroyed, over 6000 injured. How is that 4.9 times worse that January 6th???
OBL, if you're going to pinch my material get it right.
The 9/11 hijackers and the Jan 6 Trump mob had the SAME motive - to overthrow our democracy.
It's that easy.
to overthrow our democracy.
Remember the 1960s and the groups the media revered back then?
I do.
I do too.
Me three.
So does Pluggo, but he's paid to push a narrative.
I was around too. I was reminded when Antifa showed up.
They just did a home invasion in Pensacola, FL, 4 of them to be exact. And wonder of wonders, the homeowner had an AK47 and took care of bizness. Three of the 4
peaceful protestorsblack thugs have been arrested thus farhttps://www.wkrg.com/northwest-florida/escambia-county/3-wanted-for-home-invasion-escambia-co-deputies/
Is ‘Pluggo’ a reference to what he likes to do to ,title boys?
Fuck. I remember 2020.
So if the media revered someone back in the 60s it in turn impresses on me what?
Oh wait, because an organization gave a free pass back in the 1960s, I have to do the same in 2022? Because of fairness or something?
Cite your sources other than your memory. Please. Jane Fonda does not count.
The silly goofs just forgot their guns, I guess.
Their faces must've been so red when they went to topple the government and nobody had any weapons.
They even had to borrow their zip-ties from a desk at the capitol.
Thank goodness for assault grade fire extinguishers. Guaranteed to cause strokes in a different guy a day later.
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
A year after the event and they were still buying the "five people died during the riots" claim?
Ashli Babbit was the only person to die violently on Jan 6th on either side who was involved in the riots. Kevin Greeson had a heart attack (fact-checkers have denied the claim that it was caused by tazing himself repeatedly, but who knows). All of the cops who died "after the riot" were days later, one from a stroke and two by suicide.
Is there more than one Michael Fanone on the DC Police force? He seemed to have a very different account a few months later when he talked to CNN (who I'm sure would have loved to have aired the "kill him with his own gun" story) as reported by the Wapo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/28/michael-fanone-trump-gop-riots/
Don't you get embarrassed by continuing to push this after Sri Lanka?
If Shrike was capable of shame he would have slunk away from here years ago.
If he was capable of shame he’d have committed ritualistic suicide and apologized for being such a piece of shit his entire life.
To imply that this nation's "political system" is a "democracy" is evidence of the nimiety of your nescience.
Because you can't even describe our constitutional republic accurately, we comfortably ignore you.
9/11 was an inside job. Planes taking down 2 skyscrapers in a row in perfect implosions are a physical impossibility.
Any better arguements?
Perfect implosion? You mean the giant messy holes in the side of a structure with a noted design flaw and subpar fire protection? Actual implosions are much cleaner, neater, and don't have a delayed response.
They were nothing alike. Quit buying into partisan lies. The only people killed on Jan, 6th were the protesters, unlike 9-11 where thousand of innocent people were killed. Get over it.
Jail Nancy Pelois for Jan. 6th. she failed at her duties, I wouldn’t even doubt she was involved in the planning. There is certainly a reason she has refused to release the intelligence she was given and her correspondence up to and the day of the riot, and it was not to protect Trump, but someone on her side of the political divide.
Drudge is reporting that Ivana Trump (age 73) was found dead in her apartment. Please leave your conspiracy theories below.
Trump is probably morally, but not legally responsible for her death (assuming it's not being faked for insurance purposes).
Death by snu snu. I never thought I would die this way, but I always really hoped
Slow play.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ivana-trump-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-cheating-2017-10
"I went up to her and asked, 'How do you deal with it?' She knew I was talking about the cheating," Ivana wrote in her new memoir, "Raising Trump." "She just looked at me and walked away."
Of course she walked away without answering. It's a trade secret.
You don't ask the Colonel for his eleven herbs and spices, you don't ask Coke for the secret formula, and you don't ask a Democrat how to rig an election.
And that's the day Ivana got on the Clinton list.
That's what I was going to say.
And its nobody's damn business, not even yours.
didn't know anyone still went to Drudge.
Apparently the report is true. She was 73.
Didn't he sell to a Soros op and then they lost all their visits?
Trump broke him. Sad.
She had evidence that would put Hillary Clinton in jail.
He is as morally responsible as Nancy Pelosi is for the continuation of the attack on the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland.
https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/status/1284294427654197248
there is no doubt that former President Donald Trump is morally responsible for the attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Both on January 6, and the during British sacking of the capitol during the War of 1812.
Can you imagine believing it's Trump's "fault"
I know. Even if you agreed that the Jan 6 riot itself is indefensible, saying that "Trump made it happen" is a special kind of fantasy bubble to live in.
Especially when you base that fantasy bubble on the fact that Trump threw his lunch and grabbed the wheel of the presidential limo by climbing out the passenger window, inching his way over the roof of the limo as it sped through the streets of the capitol and then smashed the windshield and grabbed it from the outside.
Honest question. If Trump had not gone on a nationwide campaign claiming that the election was stolen, demanding allegiance from others to that conspiracy, constantly whipped up anger over the claim, scheduled and held a rally near the Capitol on Jan 6, encouraged his followers to go to the Capitol, lambasted his own Vice President, and then did absolutely nothing to help stop the chaos once it started, you still believe that the Jan 6 riot would have occurred?
Yes.
You still don't understand Trump's base.
There would've been the same hundreds of thousands there to protest the blatantly illegitimate election, the same "mostly peaceful" precedent, and the same fed agents provocateur in the crowd.
No, it wouldn't. If Trump had conceded the election and not pushed his stolen election conspiracy, it never would have happened.
If Trump had conceded the election and not pushed his stolen election conspiracy
Why? Hillary didn't, and the Democrats burned DC on Trump's inauguration, caused a lot more damage and nobody even said "Boo".
Trump did nothing that the Democrats didn't do first x100.
The only difference is that the Democrats didn't call it insurrection when they were calling for riots, threatening judges, burning down government buildings, attacking the White House and invading the Senate Supreme Court confirmations.
Trump did what Dems had done previously and turned it up to 11. His constant stoking and incitement were all his. Dems have never behaved in such a manner. The degrees of difference at magnitudes.
It's like saying that Dems committed shoplifting and as such, there is no difference between that and Trump's armed robbery.
Moreover, using whataboutism to show how Dems act like shit, doesn't remotely justify Trump acting like shit as well.
He turned it up to 11? Did he fake an intel report about his opponent being a Russian agent, sell it as fact to the FBI, CIA, and the media? Then use a special prosecutor to look for anything and everything to build and impeachment case against? And when that failed, impeach anyway over make believe crimes, twice?
No, that's what scummy Dems did. However, that doesn't remotely justify Trump's actions.
No, the evidence we've seen with our own eyes and simple mathematics justifies Trump's actions.
No one said it justified his actions. They just pointed out that his actions weren’t nearly as bad.
"No, that's what scummy Dems did. However, that doesn't remotely justify Trump's actions."
To my mind, the Russia hoax perpetrated by Hillary, with the full participation of the left-wing media, and the deep state did many orders of magnitude more damage to our democratic republic than the costumed, unarmed "insurrection" on January 6. The Russia hoax went on for Trump's full term, and many (maybe all) Democrats STILL believe every salacious word of it. Nobody went to jail for it, nobody was held in solitary confinement for it, no Democrat politician is being persecuted for it.
His constant stoking and incitement were all his. Dems have never behaved in such a manner
Never. ever. not a single time Dems acted like the anarchists they are. ever. Youre also full of mierda, from one breakfast taco to a Marxist loving forgetful squirrel.
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"When CNN host Chris Cuomo asked the mayor Thursday “how long” the occupation would continue, she said: “I don’t know. We could have a summer of love!”
A sign is seen on a barrier at an entrance to Seattle's so-called "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone" on Wednesday.
A look inside Seattle's 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone'
The CHAZ includes an abandoned police station. Although activists declared the area a police-free zone, officers entered the zone Thursday to access the deserted station, angering some residents.
“Get them the f— out of here!” one shouted. “Who let them in here?” demanded another.
Although the Seattle mayor — and other Democratic mayors, such as Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser — is denounced by activists, she’s also gained significant national exposure returning fire on the president.
“Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker,” Durkan tweeted to Trump on Wednesday.
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https://nypost.com/2020/06/12/trump-rips-seattle-mayor-for-summer-of-love-protest-zone/
Trump was president of the United States, not the mayor of a city.
Are you really incapable of seeing the difference here?
Are you incapable of seeing that what the Democrats did in 2020 was more of a threat or our democracy then the loser fighting the election through all legal channels and then leaving on the appointed day?
Why would he concede, when he believed he had won, and every effort to have the results audited - not just a re-count - was stonewalled?
Myself, and millions of other knew the election was stolen and we didn't need Donald Trump to tell us it was.
But it wasn't stolen. That's the issue. And it's fine if he wanted to not concede, ironically doing exactly what he accused Hillary of doing, and challenged the election results in a ration manner. But instead he riled up his supporters and set the course for Jan 6 to occur.
The same people who told you the election wasn't stolen were telling you for 3 years it was a fact Trump colluded with Russia to steal the previous election.
Well, them and basically all of Trump's cabinet officials, Republican state legislatures, governors, secretaries of state, and many Republicans in the federal government.
Look who so trusts politicians and government officials.
I mean, the previous administration and government officials completely invented a story about Russian collusion and used the intelligence agencies to work with the media to spread known fiction, but totes wouldn't mess with the 2020 election with literally trillions of dollars at stake...
"Well, them and basically all of Trump's cabinet officials, Republican state legislatures, governors, secretaries of state, and many Republicans in the federal government."
How many states have said that their election rules in 2020 were not legal now?
A lot of dozens of court cases that were attempted in multiple states were refused on the grounds that the GOP "lacked standing". The "team blue" portion of the media reported that in every one of those cases, the courts had "reviewed and rejected the evidence", but that only happens after the case is accepted; in the cases where "standing" was denied, the courts neither considered nor reviewed whatever evidence was being brought up.
That doesn't mean that any or all of those cases might or might not have been successful had they been heard, but it's hardly the same as all of the claims having been disproven.
The thing with trump is the very thing that makes him unfit for office is also the reason it'd be almost impossible to actually convict him criminally on any charge related to sedition under the letter of the law (if they have a trial in DC and get a jury that's made up of 2/3 HRC donors, like they had for Sussman, the letter of the law may prove to be less important but that would also probably be grounds for an appeal). At the level of narcissism he seems to exhibit, it's likely that he still honestly believes he won the election in 2020, and very possible that no number of people at any level of importance to him (and no amount of objective proof) would be sufficient to convince him otherwise. Since sedition charges would hinge on him believing that his goal was to undermine the legitimate action of the government, the possibility that he believes he was actually acting in accordance with the legitimate outcome would be grounds for "reasonable doubt" as to his guilt.
Considering the degree of narcissism that's just "table stakes" to pursue politics at higher levels, the bar to be too narcissistic for office is pretty high, but trump does seem to be able to "clear it in street shoes".
He won the election in 2020. Period.
And why the fuck should he stab Americans in the back and concede a completely illegitimate result?
But it wasn't illegitimate. That's the problem. I know that you want it to be to satisfy whatever conspiratorial desire you have. But it wasn't and literally no one, including Trump, has shown it to be.
Your stating this as a fact despite multiple courts ruling on the illegal election changes put into place. Is your assertion these had zero effect?
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
Anyone with an ounce of honesty and reasoning ability knows the election of Biden was illegitimate- even all the people who lie about it.
But you hate Trump, so good enough for you to put your full faith and trust in the same people who have lied about everything else.
Free and fair, safe and effective!
No, it’s probably so on many levels, with more coming to light each week. I know you want it to be legitimate to satisfy your delusion that Biden could swing historic vote totals despite being a senile has-been swamp creature that hid in his basement for months, but the facts just don’t add up.
Democrats cheated and the entire party has to go. Case closed.
so much for the 'honest question'
Really? Because an awful lot of us thought that all the illegal court decisions at the 11th hour before the election plus a lot of other shady shit ahead of time put the whole thing in doubt. Then our concerns were validated from all the fraud and all the vote totals that made no sense.
No one needed Trump to tell them that the democrats basically orchestrated a bloodless coup.
wasn't a riot.
Yes it was.
not by any measure of riots, no. Live Aid was more raucous.
What are you taking about? A riot is defined as violent public disorder. That's literally what happened on Jan 6.
people's common-sense idea of a riot includes more violence than was on display 1/6 ... Black Fridays at Toys'R'Us in the '80s and '90s is on par
I get it. You actually didn't watch video of Jan 6 where cops were getting dragged around, fencing was being toppled, windows were being broken, and people were climbing the facades.
You do know that is one side of the building. One side was peaceful and actually let inside by officers right? See the Straka videos.
Youre repeating the narrative with no inspection.
"I get it. You actually didn't watch video of Jan 6 where cops were getting dragged around, fencing was being toppled, windows were being broken, and people were climbing the facades."
Sounds horrifying.
Trump had to be sent to the bunker on 5/29/20...which was NOT an insurrection. Apparently. Because...reasons.
Imagine if Jan 6 was as violent as the BLM attack on the White House five months earlier.
If whataboutism is all you got, you are conceding that your position is wrong. I hope you understand that.
No, it's an admission from you that nothing done that day was beyond the pale you just side with the marxists.
There is no honesty to your question.
A great many of us saw, with our own eyes, the theft of the election.
Donald Trump did not schedule and hold the rally - it was put on by others, he just spoke there.
He encouraged his followers to "peacefully and patriotically go to the Capitol to be heard.
Encouraging Mike Pence to "do the right thing" is not lambasting him, and he did send out Tweets asking people to go home when the antifa and FBI plants started violent actions.
Actually, there's a tremendous amount of honesty to my question. And you avoiding with such a deflective statement says everything.
No, because you clearly have your mind made up and won't accept any answer that deviates from the rhetorical point you sought to make.
That is not an honest question.
I love how everyone has to attack the question to avoid answering it. So telling.
Is this a White Mike sock?
I answered it above.
You stomped your feet and screeched "nuh uh!"
^this^
he is a liar
Actually, there's a tremendous amount of trolling to my question
tell your handlers to send us better trolls, even morning taco trolls would be an improvememt
Ah, now comes the troll accusation to avoid answering the question.
To be fair. It is a very jeff like redirection with a hypothetical to basically garner his view as the facts.
Assume all these facts that aren't facts and then I'm right. That is jeff like argumentation.
Have you ever gotten an explanation on how all the bellweather districts in the country got it wrong? Ever gotten an explanation for the Republican vote watchers being booted but the counts being continued or the midnight ballot dumps and the vast discrepancy for those votes from the rest of the day? Ever gotten an explanation for the non-existent residences? I could go on but somehow the guy that couldn't fill a closet with supporters beat out the guy that could fill stadiums. Explain please.
Actually, yeah. That's literally why there is no showing by anyone that the election was stolen. Most of what you claim has been debunked or explained.
That's what corporate media and The State say, and their record for veracity is soooooo stellar...
Oh right, I forgot that you argue that unless the entity says what you want to hear, it's illegitimate.
Within the contextual parameters of a defacto state media that had pretty much lied about everything going on before and since, it’s way understandable to not believe uncritical cries of fairest election evs.
Especially when those liars do nothing but shout "debunked!" and when asked for a plausible explanation for the glaring inconsistencies use the claim that they've "been debunked" as their only evidence and explanation.
"What accounts for these statistical, behavioral, and historical anomalies that led to drastically different results in 2020 vs every other election?"
"That's already been explained."
"Ok, what was the explanation?"
"They've been debunked!"
You refuse to entertain anything but the state sponsored message, I fal to see how you're different from Jeff or the test of the leftist trolls. Fuck off ian goodbye.
And again youre ignoring all the election rule changes ruled by courts to be illegal.
Youre standing on sand.
Debunked by whom? The media? Local election officials? The CEO of Dominion?
Hang Mike Pence! Don’t Fear the Revolt!
(According to The Gospel of The Donald)
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
If the dems had not changed election rules in key states illegally would Jan 6th have happened??
If the many observed irregularities had been actually heard by any courts would Jan 6th have happened??
If Pelosi had of accepted all the additional security that Trump offered ,would Jan 6th have happened??
If Trump had any authority to effect Jan 6th security would it have happened??
Amazing how it's always everyone else's fault. Trump didn't do anything worth critique.
This is true!
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Who said that? Because they didn't support your hypothetical?
JesseBahnFuhrer said that, basically! The Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father can do NO wrong!!!
https://reason.com/2020/02/07/michael-bloomberg-and-the-imperious-presidency-2/#comment-8120658
JesseSPAZ comment: “He can fire political appointees for any fucking reason he wants.” With Respect to Der TrumpfenFuhrer, of course!
Jesse’s over-archingly lusting after the super-powers of the Trumptatorshit YET AGAIN!!!
Trump can fire them for not assigning their entire paychecks to Trump… For not licking Trump’s balls as much as JesseSPAZ does… For turning down Trump’s requests for then to perform personal murder-for-hire… For having fucked Stormy Daniels out of turn, when it was Trump’s turn… For Air Force Captain-Sir-Dude-Sir-Pilot-Sir refusing orders to go and bomb Nancy Pelosi’s house…
Just when I was rooting for JesseSPAZ to turn from his evil ways, he doubles down on Trumptatorshit-worship AGAIN!
Trump did plenty that was worth criticism.
Yet still improved his performance from 2016 to 2020 by (at least) around 20%.
The whole "Trump cost himself the election by being too unappealing" narrarive doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
He called for a protest.
Yeah, I'm not going to condemn that.
We knew the election was stolen on election night when Trump only needed another state or two to win and was ahead in all the states that stopped counting, only to lose them overnight via numbers not replicated anywhere else across the nation.
And instead of answering any questions about it, Democrats put up a fence and took political prisoners who dared show up in DC.
^
FoxNews called Arizona for Biden, a state that was eventually "won" by like a miniscule 10k margin, with 1% of precincts reporting.
How the hell can that call be made with 99% of the results yet to come in and the final be a toss up?
Only if it's known ahead of time that Biden will be given AZ regardless of the actual votes.
The entire night they called Biden states at 0% or 1%, but waited until to call Trump states until the margin was too great to deny. This gave the impression that Biden was keeping up or in the lead, but it was always an illusion.
clearly Fox takes orders from the conspiracy.. everyone does.. fuck, I think even YOU'RE part of it!
Eat a bullet, cancer.
your mom's pussy pulls double duty as a high-capacity magazine? YUMM!
Leftists are talentless clumps of cells who hate themselves
So what if he did these things?
Be fair. After 4 years of extreme TDS, their broken little minds had shriveled down to one function: hating Trump. At that point everything in the history of the universe that they did not like was Trump's fault.
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
No, if that's how Robby wants to play it, he can play it that way.
But no whining when the consequences of what he's held responsible for come physically calling.
There was no "attack" on the capital. Jan 6 would've been a whole lot cooler if there was.
Where you asleep that day? You missed one of the biggest events of the past two years.
I bet he’s a racist, amiright?
There certainly wasn’t anything happening in 2020, right ?
If you want to see an attack, brandy, simply tell us where you'll be.
Nearest bath house getting monkey pox.
You really must miss ken
Yeah, he could really bring out your 'Florida man.'
I miss Ken too. Wish he could've gotten over his neocon mania and come back for all the rest of the more important shit going on.
His contributions were notable.
"You missed one of the biggest events of the past two years."
Because Summer 2020 was just a lot of handholding and singing Kumbaya.
It's like you guys try to will events out of existence.
Does that mean you got your biggest TDS boner ever? Or just the biggest since November, 2016?
"unfit for office"
You know who else was unfit for office?
Joe Biden.
That is absolutely true.
Only if you count the last 45 years or so.
William Howard Taft?
everybody?
In my experience, it's only the people who really want power who shouldn't be allowed any.
So, if you volunteer to run for office, that should be an automatic DQ.
Jo Jorgensen and Joe Biden
Jared Polis
Justin Amash
King George?
Reason holiday party is going to be awkward this year between Robbie and Sullum.
They'll both get drunk, end up sleeping with each other.
Once again if people attacked DC and killed every pest there only 30% of the country would care
I would cheer. We can elect more assholes.
I’ll admit, I really enjoyed seeing those congress people squirm a little.
And really the most constructive thing about 1/6 was the way it moved the timetable up on just how much The Party was intent on crushing any real political dissent.
long live Ivana Trump.
also, T should run for the (D) nomination.
That would be great if he got the (D) nomination. CNN would be hyping DeSantis for team R.
I'm sayin'.
He should. It's not like he has any principles or anything silly like that that would hold him back. And true libertarians will all vote for him because principles are shminciples.
I enjoy T v. Establishment from all angles.
Even the one where is balls are... ugh I can't watch.
So tiresome……
His comment was to protest peacefully: During his actual speech just before the attack, Trump told his supporters to "fight like hell" and to march to the Capitol "peacefully and patriotically." I don't think he is morally liable for inciting a riot. And I think President Trump was our best president, I'd vote for him again. He isn't a politician and that is what politicians hate about him.
Presidents are, by definition, politicians
Or, another take is that Trump isn't responsible and spending two years trying to make him responsible has been an enormous waste of taxpayer resources.
I agree he should not be jailed.
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death..."
the list of things that did not happen is long and distinguished.
'So is my johnson'
Hey, the sociopath is back! And calling for the death of his political enemies even. I bet you’d like to pull the trigger, wouldn’t you?
He was part of the "special" forces, they used the short bus to get to basic trading (tying shoes, brushing teeth)
Hey, at least he's letting us know he's an enemy combatant engaged in war against Americans.
Part of me hopes they do jail Trump. Might actually spark the bloodletting necessary to deal with the leftist cancer, and divert our progression toward the worst aspects of soviet+nazi totalitarianism that we're currently on.
Are you sure he shouldn't be jailed for blood libel?
Are you going to blame the Mormons and Catholics again?
I agree, Joe Biden needs to be tried for treason.
Though morally responsible for the attack on the Capitol
Written as if this is a fact that was uncovered and scientifically provable.
The Science!
Nevermind that actual attacks and riots happened all summer by BLM and Antifa stooges. How did Robby and Reason Editors describe those events? Mostly. Peaceful. Protests.
Robby - your TDS is showing. This is why the super majority of the commenters here are critical of you and most of the staff. Please stop pretending to be Libertarians. Just admit you're a far left progressive. You'll feel better being honest for once.
Written as if this is a fact that was uncovered and scientifically provable."
If you believe hard enough...
this site is still on TDS overload, calling for a march is perfectly legal or it was, has that changed.
This site is nothing but a shill for global progressivism.
If you read the article, you will find that you are in complete agreement - calling for a march is perfectly legal.
Its also perfectly legal for Pelosi to say "I don't know why there aren't more riots. Maybe there will be." I still give her plenty of moral culpability.
Except Robbie also calls that being morally responsible for the riots and the "insurrection". The marxist cunts pushing that lie can die in a fire, especially after repeatedly excusing violence, riots, arson and murder as mostly peaceful. Sorry but you cannot say calling for actual violence by the left is a term of art and claim calling for actual peaceful protests to be violent insurrection and be anything but a partisan leftist shill.
nothing says "Marxist cunt" like arguing the former President shouldn't and can't be prosecuted
Until Biden is the former President, then it's hands off.
If Trump is jailed then when will the democrats like Waters, Schumer and so on who egged the rioters I got a year in Portland, Kenosha and so on, I mean one deserves it just as much as the next. And those riots were actually riots!
There is no necessity to jail the former President for his part inciting the January 6th Insurrection. He can be jailed for witness tampering and for solicitation of voting fraud in Georgia.
Any calls for Biden to be jaild for child molestation, something we have literal proof of. And not you retarded accusations?
Maybe you could keep to the topic.
You want a president to held legally responsible for something he didn't do, while letting another president who is literally guilty of child molestation a pass.
The topic is the absurd double standard we have in this now banana republic
ya at least Prince Andrew went outside the family.
And got one who was at least halfway through puberty.
Trump spearheaded the entire attempted coup. He:
Engaged in a massive campaign to lie about the election.
Pressured state legislators to disregard the vote of their state
Pressured the GA SoS to make up just enough votes for him to win
Pressured the DoJ to lie about finding fraud
Pressured the DoD to seize election machines
Had people send fake elector lists to the Archives
Pressured Pence to not certify the EC vote
Encouraged both openly and behind the scenes the attack on the capital
Ya. He needs to be in prison. Had any one of those succeed it would have been the end of our democracy.
Attempted Pressure carries a federal sentencing mandate of zero days.
No in some case there was solicitation of voter fraud and that does carry a sentence.
have been reminded daily there was no vote fraud.
Wasn’t it the most secure election Evah?
All are good points and some that he can be charged with and convicted. Better something like that then on a more questionable charge of incitement.
"End of democracy!" Drink!
MollyG is always reliable for the completely insane perspective. Well done. I'm guessing this is staff. Scott, is this you?
Do you deny that Trump did what I listed?
Your assertion that J6 was a coup or an attack is non-sense. As is ever item you listed. I could try and explain how asking for something is not the same as pressure, but I'm pretty sure that type of comprehension would be lost on your fragile mind.
Your concern about "end of democracy" while turning a blind eye to the over-whelming voting fraud that helped Joe Biden get 10+ million votes more than Barack Obama, shows me and everybody that you're a dishonest, delusional, far left progressive.
Have a nice day Scott.
https://lostnotstolen.org/
He didnt do what he said. He didn't say manufacture votes. He said find votes that were illegally cast.
Dude, she/he won't listen. They want to believe that Trump not only committed voter fraud, somehow, by asking for GA to find the votes; but Trump would ask publicly if he were trying to commit fraud. Seriously, their ignorance is truly astounding.
It's more psychosis than ignorance.
To the psychotic, fantasy is more real than reality.
Thus the psychotic's perspective of reality is twisted and disfigured by their fantasy, which is then the basis of all they say and do.
plus.. the more that gets mentioned on the internet the more google can promote certain narratives higher in their search results.
...that is.. if they werent already doing that with their sacred algorithms (and the requisite manual assist from staff)
Actually, these are all opinions. One man's pressure is another's recommendation. How can a President pressure a state authority? By what legal means? Also, the comments about attacking the Capitol are just hearsay, recently debunked by the Secret Service. Your whole narrative is shit.
so Joe Biden can't pressure states to force vaccinations? darn, this is no fun if he's as guileless and gentle as Trump was!
"if he had not stoked the mob's anger by falsely claiming, repeatedly, that Democrats were stealing the election from him, there would have been no riot."
This is major news, the authors can determine what would have happened in a counterfactual world.
That's fucking amazing. I am fucking amazed. Or something.
Still amazes me that the basic logic set out in this article is so unacceptable by so many.
crazy how so many here would throw a guy in jail for so little.
Plenty of people in jail for a lot less.
entirely different problem.
Yes. And crazy how many think Trump has no culpability for Jan 6 even if that culpability didn't reach criminal levels.
no third-party insurer would pay the few people who suffered personal injuries ... without the claims going to trial anyway
What does this even mean?
if there's no criminal complaint you'll need a civil complaint for all your culpability to be levied
I still have no idea what you are talking about.
No court would agree with you he is responsible.
What logic beyond "we say there was no fraud and you're not allowed to make a case there was so just trust us" is there? You have to be fairly gullible to have looked at the election data and the deliberate erosion of fraud controls and believe anyone telling you it's fine, or maybe meme levels of delusional.
It is worth noting that the former President is never going to jail. Between trials, appeals, and age it is unlikely he will ever serve a day. It will however establish accountability and that is important.
And the fact that he really isn't criminally culpable.
According to the polls, Trump is the only Republican who would lose to Biden in 2024. So it makes little sense to have him in jail or on tied up in trials before then. Dems should leave him alone to travel the country, holding rallies, and getting viable GOP candidates to give him the kiss of death by endorsing him.
You're playing the actual 4-D chess game of political strategy. Neither party remotely has the ability to operate in such a politically savvy way.
"According to the polls"
lol
lmfao
those polls worked so well for hillary. keep on believing the polls.
What? The 19th Amendment was repealed?!
At least AOC now admits that the cops let the rioters in without controversy.
Gotta love the attempt to pivot there
Along with admitting mine was the best she ever tasted.
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1547690598525591555?t=eenTXR_wGjG2KJq10Uj2VQ&s=19
If DC were more than Stalin show trials, this video would be exculpatory evidence in J6 cases, showing that the peaceful protesters who followed the initial wave didn’t trespass. They were let in. INNOCENT!
[Video, links]
On the basis of evidence so far presented, indeed one cannot convict Trump for inciting 1/6. But also on the basis of evidence so far presented, one can convict Trump of some other crimes.
FWIW I have not found a single Trump supporter who thinks that Trump should be tried for anything even if the evidence is there, because fundamentally they really do believe he is above the law.
Or, people are tribal and protect their political team or person at all costs. Same mindset is found in supporter from AOC to Bernie, to Trump and MTG.
Yea dude. Of course. Both sides and such.
You don't think both sides do this?
To the same level?
Like which crimes?
Mean tweets are a capital offense.
Also calling out greedy women, who will let you grab their pussy to let them get close to you.
Reason Guide to Insurrection
Not incitement:
"there will be blood in the streets” - Loretta Lynch
“Who says protests have to be peaceful“ - Cuomo
“There needs to be unrest in the streets” - Ayanna Pressley
“Protesters should not give up” - Kamala Harris
“I just don’t know why they aren’t uprising all over this country“ - Nancy Pelosi
“You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, tell them they are not welcome“ - Maxine Waters
“I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price! You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions!” - Chuck Schumer
"(the Supreme Court is) Illegitimate! Illegitimate! Into the streets! Into the streets! - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Deadly incitement:
“Go home with love and peace, remember this day forever“ - Donald J Trump
" I understand the frustration over the incident in Ferguson" -
Barrack Hussein 0blama
I challenge any of the TDS suffering stooges here to post anything that Trump said on J6 that was incitement.
Similarly, defend your political allies, as noted by ML. It's hard to take you seriously when you ignore or defend clear acts of violence and inciting statements, but allow your TDS to argue against Trump.
When (Maxine Waters was) asked what should happen if Chauvin isn’t convicted on murder charges, she replied, “We gotta stay on the street, we’ve got to get more active, we’ve got to get more confrontational, we’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”
Go ahead progs - defend this. Nothing Trump said on J6 compared to this. Not even close. Defend it or STFU.
No response from Molly or the other bitch. What a surprise.
Fuck off, Reason.
I guess we are 100% clear. TDS is terminal and there is no recovery. Once TDS takes hold in a patient, they're ability to understand reality is never the same. Words magically mean the opposite, such as, protest and make your voices heard = insurrection. And, insurrection somehow means LARPing around the Capital Building is a mostly peaceful manner; especially compared to summer of love BLM riots.
And, of course, a TDS victim is unable to believe clear facts even when they happen in plain site. As example, Trump is winning election on election night. In multiple states, vote counters are told to go home. Then after that happens, hundreds of thousands of votes get tabulated and surprise, 96-98% of those ballots are for Joe Biden.
As a non-partisan Libertarian that doesn't suffer from TDS, this situation would concern me whether it happened in favor of Trump or Biden. But the TDS sufferers simply see a desired outcome, election integrity be damned.
Requests for explanations and investigate are denied and throw out of court for no standing. We're told, there is no proof of any widespread fraud. Hard to find evidence when Democrats and their TDS suffering supporters refuse to allow audits and investigations.
Additional sign of TDS:
Pretending J6 was an actual coup attempt or referring to it as an attack. Protesting anything, even election results, is Constitutionally protected free speech. At best, one might describe breaking into the Capital building as trespassing. Any weapons? Nope. Anybody try to light the building on fire? Nope. Hell, internal video camera show people walking through the building between the velvet ropes, casually and mostly, in a respectful manner. Well, except for that true villain that soiled Nancy Pelosi's desk with his boots/shoes! THE HORROR!!!
Advanced TDS sufferers will also include "deadly" adjective when describing Capital attack. The irony here is the only person that died were protesters at the hands of police. Usually, these same sad, advanced TDS will ignore the dozens of people killed directly by BLM rioters and Antifa stooges during the summer of love 2020.
Pretty much. The cucks at reason are only a couple of levels removed from state media.
Scott Adam's said it best :
The j6 committee is a trial where the democrats are going to try to convince everyone that the only time Republicans don't use guns is at a coup
"Trump falsely claimed that the election was stolen.."
True, but why was Trump wrong about it? Because the changes in election laws made it impossible to actually know if there was cheating. I didn't say there was, or was no cheating, I said that there is no way to know if there was cheating.
Ignoring "Red Team - Blue Team" bullshit and all the noise about motives and intentions, what was the final result of changing the election laws? Answer - nobody Red or Blue trusts the outcome and that becomes more dangerous than an election between a narcissistic liar and a senile old fart who hid in the basement.
"if he had not stoked the mob's anger by falsely claiming, repeatedly, that Democrats were stealing the election from him"
Leftists always start with the assumption that the 2020 election was conducted fairly and transparently. Somehow that does not preclude their belief that the 2016 election was stolen, and that Trump was elected illegitimately.
Two of the members of the 1/6 committee had previously objected in congress to the certification of electoral votes for republican candidates in past elections. Those same members pretend to believe that those who made similar objections in the 2020 election are guilty of treason.
The committee members who made those past objections did so because they believed the elections in question were fixed for the other candidate.
Democrats have spent at least the last decade trying to pass election laws that make it easy to cheat. When I voted in 2020, my state had a new law that prohibited election workers from asking for any form of ID. The one thing that unites all democrats is that they are willing to fight like hell against any rule that would only allow legal voters to vote, and only once per election.
It seems absurd to work so hard against secure elections, and also to claim that every time a republican wins it is illegitimate, but when we win it is literally treason question the results.
1/6 was not an insurrection. It was poor crowd control. Even so, the people wandered away after a couple of hours. Yes, they needed to clean some of the carpets and replace some panes of glass.
When leftists actually set a bomb off in the Senate, Clinton commuted their sentences. When a group of leftists snuck guns into the gallery, and shot a bunch of members of congress during an open session, Carter granted them similar clemency.
It just amazes me that anyone can display such obvious double standards. They don't actually care about 1/6, except that it can be used as another attempt to keep Trump from getting reelected, and possibly interrupting their donor cash flow through graft.
They start with that assumption except when they're writing articles in Time Magazine bragging about how it was stolen. Or "fortified" to "ensure the proper outcome," if you prefer.
Saying that a politician is a hypocrite is like saying that rabbit is fecund. It's what they do, politicians flip-flop and rabbits multiply.
Free speech does not include a right to attempt a coup.
Lock the fat jerk off up.
By the way, Americans now agree Trump committed a crime, 56-36%.
Thanks Jan 6 Committee!
Yes. If you can’t cross examine the witness it sure helps.
What a scam.
Trump will win in 2024.
BTW, Joe Asshole lies.
You and your faggot friends should be locked up. Not someone like Trump who has committed no crime.
The coup,with no guns and on,y a few hundred people. Many of whom were invited in.
Just like the Anschluss in Austria. Didn't 99&44/100% of the voters declare the red carpet was rolled out for Positive Christian National Socialism?
Trump derangement syndrome strikes “Reason” magazine yet again.
Trump is the most libertarian president in modern times.
Is Reason mag still libertarian? Good grief.
No
they're so not libertarian, Rev. Kuck never misses an article!
There is nothing libertarian about Donald Trump. He favored big government more than most Democrats. He was trying to use it to install a dictatorship for God's sake lmfao
Cut to huge lynch mob with hoods, torches, swastikas, burning crosses, tar and feathers all barking and biting to lynch "Dog is My Co-pilot", as always...
'As the latest *hearsay and bullshit* at the January 6 committee *show-trial* makes clear, there is no doubt that former President Donald Trump is morally responsible for the *protest* on the U.S. Capitol...'
Fixed so the TDS-addled asshole can see what their affliction is doing to "reason".
If Trump had shot someone on 5th avenue, not only would his supporters think he should get away with it, they'd claim that everyone who thought he should not was suffering from TDS.
The labeling of TDS is the actual derangement syndrome.
Hahaha! That’s a silly bunch of bullshit you just said.
Case in point. Nothing like experiment to demonstrate the truth of a hypothesis.
If Trump had angle wings. TDS-addle piles of shit like SRG wouldd demand he be convicted of flapping them too rapidly.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Your terms are acceptable.
https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1547799174732582913?t=116EnGOz4zUI4v7YLD_WdA&s=19
If GOP wins the House in November:
They can make Trump Speaker, 2nd in line to the presidency.
The corrupt Secret Service will fail to protect Biden and Harris from violent Ultra MAGAts.
Trump becomes President.
The beauty of this is that we'd get two extra years from this because he'd still be eligible to run in 2024
If we’re doing all that, then why not go a little further and start our gong the progs? People like Schiff should face a tribunal after being locked up at GitMo.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-council-inclusive-capitalism
Another mission of the CIC is to enforce carbon controls and taxation in the name of “climate change” with the purpose of reaching “net-zero” emissions. As we all know, net zero carbon will be impossible without a complete upheaval of our economy and industry, along with the deaths of billions of people in the process. It is an unattainable scenario, which is why it is perfect for the globalists. Humans are the enemy of the Earth, they claim, so we need to let the elites control our every action to ensure we don’t destroy the planet and ourselves, and the process will never end because there will always be carbon emissions to deal with.
Members of the CIC, including the head of Bank of America, openly suggest that they don’t actually need governments to cooperate in order to meet their goals. They say corporations can implement most social engineering without political aid. In other words, it is the every definition of “shadow government” – A massive corporate cabal that works in tandem to implement social changes without any oversight. As noted, we’ve already seen this with the spread of woke ideology by hundreds if not thousands of corporations working as a hive.
It was a set up run by the FBI.
Trump called for the National guard that day.
Pelosi stopped the National guard and reduced the capital police.
Pelosi admitted she was give intelligence before the riot there would be a riot. That mean there was intelligence on who was planning the riot. That has never been released. If it pointed to Trump it would have been used in the second impeachment and trial Pelosi still refuses to release that information.
Ray Epps was the first person to call for breaching the capitol. Seen on hundreds of cell phone videos. He was on the FBI most wanted list, arrested released and let go.
A PA woman who had never been to the capitol in her life had a bullhorn and gave instructions on where to go in the capitol and how to get there. She is not in jail but "home on house arrest".
The person next to Ashli Babbitt when shot was a known Antifa operative. Buses of BLM and Antifa members were bused out of DC after the riot.
Many arrested people were ushered into the capitol by the capitol police.
People across the street watching who did nothing were arrested by the FBI.
When Rand Paul asked the FBI spokeswoman if there were FBI agents or operatives in the crowd that day she refused to answer.
We know the FBI is corrupt and entrapped the defendants in the MIch. Governor kidnapping plot, all planned and executed by the FBI.
Trump did make one fatal mistake, he announced his protest rally to soon which gave time the corrupt Politicians and FBI to set this up.
That and Floyd swallowed a pound of fentanyl while Chauvin was kneeling on his throat! And The Girl-Bullier actually won BOTH the popular vote and electoral college in 2016, just like in 2020! Jesus wuz ROBBED!
Hahaha you know how insane you sound, right?
Angry AOC Admits Capitol Police Held the Doors Wide Open on January 6 (VIDEO) - The Gateway Pundit
This is actually a story with legs. I am sure it will be buried quickly and she will be given proper talking points.
If an investigation into Jan 6 was real, these would be key questions. Why did Pelosi refuse requests for more police, better fortifications and offers of national guard help?
Who ordered the actions of police that we see on video of the capital fence leading to the breach of that fence?
Who ordered that people be allowed into the capital?
Were FBI informants involved in directing, encouraging or enacting any of the things that happened that day?
AOC seems convinced that the answer to these questions indicates that there are Trump loyalists among capital police who mean her harm.
But others might be drawing a different conclusion.
A lack of answers to these questions is encouraging competing conspiracy theories. But one would suspect that if there were truth to AOC's version, the Jan 6 committee would not be avoiding asking these questions.
Tuesday’s instalment of the congressional hearings into the events of Jan. 6, 2021, introduced evidence that former U.S. president Donald Trump and his advisers talked about a march on the U.S. Capitol days in advance — and that some of those who eventually turned up were paying close attention.
But it did not necessarily show the kind of explicit co-ordination between Trump and the more militant groups that came to Washington armed and determined to stop the certification of the 2020 election results that some had been anticipating.
The House committee investigating the Capitol riot showed, through social media posts, that Trump was rallying his supporters to Washington for the Jan. 6 certification as early as Dec. 19.
https://worldabcnews.com/inspiration-but-no-clear-co-ordination-between-trump-and-oath-keepers-proud-boys-jan-6-hearing-suggests/
The people morally responsible for the riot on the side of Congress that was breached with violence are Ray Epps and his handlers, as well as those who directly participated in the initial breach. There was no riot on the OTHER side of Congress, where the majority of people arrested and held without bail were hanging out after being waved in by cops.
Not a Donald Trump fan, but there is a double standard at play. While my preference would be that Donald Trump was never President, I also despise Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. None are worthy of the office.
I feel that Donald Trump was given a small amount of leeway while he was also nitpicked constantly. With his personality, he always felt that a verbal response was necessary. The corporate media dogged him continually and took his words out context.
Donald Trump used the derangement syndrome when he could, but there were more pulpits and media resources at the beck and call of his opposition.
I suppose that there must be a collective memory hole. Events surrounding Donald Trump's claims of voter fraud are not new. Similar events where politicians have claimed voter fraud have occurred previously.
Yes, this is a different event, but remove the media over promoting and over dramatizing and the actual events are astonishingly similar. The real difference is the media coverage and campaign and not the actual event.
I'm not one that ever voted for Donald Trump, Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. I'm not one who believe that there was enough voter fraud to change the outcome of the last presidential election.
I do believe that there was some voter fraud. Perhaps more than normal presidential elections. I do believe that a honest non-partisan investigation should occur. I do believe that there were many instances where election officials and politician gamed the electoral process in order to gain an advantage.
I believe that the constant narrative of the media that the events of January 6th was a coup is more of a diversion attempting to coverup or divert attention from a meaningful investigation of what electoral fraud and shenanigans that do take place.
Clearly our elected officials are threatened by Voter Id which would not favor either party assuming that both party was playing it straight. In reality both parties are playing games when the opportunity presents itself.
In other words to be perfectly clear, yes there is voter fraud and normally there is some voter fraud and both the Republicans and Democrats engage in voter fraud. Was it enough to sway an election is the question. Probably not the presidential election, but probably enough for more local races.
If Donald Trump is jailed for the events of January 6th this would not bode well for the USA remaining one country. There are way too many actions by the government that are increasingly fracturing the country.
Even today there are people who believe that Hillary Clinton and Al Gore were elected president. Even Stacey Abrams to this day has not conceded and claims voter fraud. There were protests and actual acts of violence associated with these 3 examples, however the media presents a different narrative.
This past couple of years we have see "Mostly Peaceful" protests as the media proclaims while the backdrop is a burning building, looting and shots fired.
Mostly peaceful would be no burning buildings, no looting and shots fired by the group protesting. Such as holding hands and walking across a bridge together. Throwing molotov cocktails is not peaceful, but rather violent.
The house committee is not investigating anything, instead they are spinning a narrative.
So how many legitimate votes are you giving Biden?
80 million?
75 million?
70 million?
I mean, if there wasn't enough illegitimate votes to sway the election, then you genuinely believe Biden was the most inspiring candidate to ever run for office...
It's not like having a proven traitor to the US as the opposition could have inspired any voters...
You’re confused, Biden is the traitor. Treason is the province of the democrats.
Oooo look Mom! A Trumpista MAGA gaggah! Kin I throw it some peanuts?
Wow Robby, you sure are naive. Of course Trump encouraged lawlessness and violence. Did he say, "Go cause Violence!". No, but it's never that simple. Trump practices plausible deniability and EVERYONE knows it. Why is Robby making a big point out of letting Trump off the hook? Normally I would say that this is what creates Tea Parties. You know, when we see another rich guy get off on a technicality. Somehow Trump supporters do not see it that way. Law and order apparently does not apply to Trump.
The real reason he shouldn't be prosecuted is because Trump supporters are armed to the teeth and its demagogues are threatening civil war and mayhem if they don't get their way. It's pathetic. The guy who campaigned on "lock her up" for what seemed like a petty charge - missing emails - can't be charged because although we all know he planned and attempted a coup we shouldn't prosecute him because he didn't utter the right words in the right way.
Wow, lefty asshole, you sure are full of shit.
Of course TDS-addled shitpiles like you would convict Trump of, well, being Trump, which is the reason you should STFU
Except he made no false claims. The illegalities that the left used to implement their coup are coming to light more and more as the policies of the leftist junta start cutting into the members of that coup.
What coup, you fucking idiot?
Just cut to the meat of it...
The Nazi(National Socialist)-Regime wants to put President Trump in prison for De-Regulating their ever-growing Nazi-Regime. The fact that he called B.S. on the Nazi-Regime's attempts to steal the election (FACT: Trump won by a landslide by REAL F'EN PRESENT PEOPLE) is just an excuse.....
Why was mail-in voting ever approved to begin with??? They justified it's integrity by it's IN-PERSON results... There was no integrity (validation) in the last election.
none of this is for charging Trump, unless they are trying to time a pre-trial drag out until the 2024 election so they can have the "Trumped up Trial" before the election and convict him with the usual DC jury of insiders and political cranks.
We can do both by sending him to jail. Now that is the best result of his attempt to overthrow the government. Otherwise someone else will just try again.
Obviously don't jail him. For treason, which this unquestionably was, the death penalty is the only acceptable sentence.
Trump never committed any crime, let alone treason. He’s not. Dirty communist. Like this president and his entire administration. No democrat ever has any business questioning the patriotism of an American.
Why would anybody want to execute the greatest president of ALL TIME? It sounds arbitrary, capricious and just plain mean. I'd like to see Donny get another term so he can take his vengeance out the Marxists, goodness knows they deserve it.
"During his actual speech just before the attack, Trump told his supporters to "fight like hell" and to march to the Capitol "peacefully and patriotically." Shortly after, the protests got out of hand, and some members of the crowd smashed the windows of the Capitol, pushed past police, and invaded the building.
It's fair to hold Trump responsible for that; if he had not stoked the mob's anger by falsely claiming, repeatedly, that Democrats were stealing the election from him, there would have been no riot."
You really, I mean REALLY, need to take another look at the timeline, if you think that makes any sense.
It’s what he was told to say. Thinking isn’t part of the equation.
Izis the same Don Trumpista who wanted the DEA to fan out and shoot or imprison hippies, brown people and especially latinos for plant leaves? and to hunt down pregnant women like fugitive slaves? The same guy the unfunny Mises shill wants jailed as a "war criminal"? So what? Me worry about him taking it like he was dishing it out?! Gidaddaheah!
Protesting is a right for his supporters whether you agree or not. What in the hell is the morally responsible nonsense in this article? Morally responsible for telling his supporters to exercise their First Amendment rights while offering to keep it all safe and secure well in advance.
Well said....
"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
The Nazi's(National Socialists) are pushing hard to steal the USA.
Respectfully disagree. The First Amendment, part of our Bill of Rights, were designed to RESTRAIN unconstitutional activity primarily against the Executive Branch of government.
Trump was the leader of the Executive Branch, attempting to subvert the constitutional rule of law - the perpetrator of citizens’ rights - the one to be restrained by our Bill of Rights. The First Amendment was designed to RESTRAIN Trump and protect American voters. Trump also swore a supreme loyalty oath (Oath of Office) to not subvert the constitutional rule of law. Almost 90 Judicial Branch federal courts, including Trump picked judges, provided unanimous rulings that Biden won the election. This is not a First Amendment issue.
"People don't lose their First and Second Amendment rights just because they're exercising them at the same time."
This is easily the dumbest take I've ever heard. People lose their first and second amendment rights precisely when their "speech" constitutes unlawful action occasioned by use/possession of an otherwise legal firearm. Struggling to come up with a specific example here, but, say, I don't know, say you take a gun to a political rally and then take said gun to the capitol and break into it and try and obstruct ongressional proceedings. Just an example that came off the top of my head, I don't know where I come up with this stuff sometimes. Anyways, that is the essence of the incitement charge leveled at Trump - that he told armed supporters to push to the capitol building knowing full well that his words would cause them to do something illegal. You don't have to agree with it, but if you can't at least wrap your head around the concept you have no business writing for an established news outlet.
The fact that you know so many details of their sexual lives is disturbing.
It is our business. Get with the program.
"The most hurtful response I get when I speak about [my bisexuality] publicly is "I don't care ... why are you telling me about this? What you do in the bedroom is none of my business."
What they're failing to understand this isn't just about sex, this is about life, your sexuality affects who you date, who you hold hands with in the street [...]"
lol.
That's where I banged your mom.
"PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEE!"
I watched the clip, which was great. Then I watched another one with a black rapper who called transgenderism "gender blackface."
Awesome.
At least now I am more certain that Biden is morally responsible for the current inflation rate.
Yeah, but did she notice?
You’re so bad at this…..
Gender blackface is awesome.
Was it this guy?
https://twitter.com/JamesHemmingwa5/status/1547415375826092040?t=5Uv186R4WKQ1w_7xzAhGiA&s=19
Alex Jones and Roger Stone jammin' to @RealBrysonGray's Hunter Biden track is the best thing I've seen all week.
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The woke mafia will fire their transphobic torpedos at him.