Tucker Carlson's Great Replacement Theory Is Spectacularly Wrong
Republicans have thrived since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 2.7 million mostly Mexican illegal immigrants in 1986.
HD Download"I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term replacement, if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots, with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World. But they become hysterical because that's what's happening, actually. Let's just say it: That's true. Look, if this was happening in your house—if you were in sixth grade, for example, and without telling you, your parents adopted a bunch of new siblings and gave them brand-new bikes and let them stay up later and helped them with their homework and gave them twice the allowance they gave you, you would say to your siblings, 'I think we're being replaced by kids that our parents love more.' It would be hard to argue against you."
That's Tucker Carlson's summary of "the great replacement theory," a trendy conspiracy theory that was echoed in the Buffalo shooter's manifesto and in ongoing comments from Republican members of Congress such as Florida's Matt Gaetz (here and here) and New York's Elise Stefanik, who has run campaign ads accusing the Democrats of "planning…a PERMANENT ELECTION INSURRECTION" by granting "amnesty to 11 MILLION illegal immigrants [who] will overthrow our current electorate and create a permanent liberal majority in Washington."

The great replacement theory is spectacularly wrong in ass
Tucker and his pals are also really worried about the government giving all sorts of new and better stuff to immigrants—brand-new bikes! twice the allowance!—but he's got it backward. Immigrants consume fewer welfare benefits than native-born Americans (about 39 percent less in average cash value). And when the U.S. has had a relatively open-door policy, government spending grew less quickly than in periods when immigration has been restricted.
The last truly major immigration law was passed in 1986 when Ronald Reagan signed bipartisan legislation that ultimately allowed 2.7 million illegal immigrants—mostly from Mexico—to gain citizenship. Since then, reform in Washington has proven elusive. Indeed, like George W. Bush's attempt in the mid-2000s, Joe Biden's stated desire to provide a path to citizenship for 11 million illegals has gone exactly nowhere, partly because he has maintained and even expanded some of Donald Trump's most-draconian policies.
But even if those immigrants somehow became citizens overnight, would they automatically vote for Democrats and produce what Rep. Stefanik calls a "permanent liberal majority in Washington"?
Consider this: Within a few years of Reagan's amnesty program, the GOP took control of the House for the first time in 40 years and held it from 1995 until 2007; they basically did the same with the Senate. After losing majorities in the Obama landslide, they've managed back majorities as well. So over the past 40 years—a time of high immigration—the Republican party has somehow managed to secure more congressional power than they did during the previous 40 years.
More recently, between 2016 and 2020, Donald Trump made gains with every demographic group except for white men. In the 2004 election, George W. Bush grabbed 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, only 5 points off the 49 percent of the Hispanic vote he secured in the 1998 Texas governor race. Believers in the great replacement theory might be surprised to learn that Greg Abbott won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in his first run for the governor's mansion in 2014 and that Texas and Florida are not only the two fastest-growing major states, but they are also major magnets for immigrants and yet keep getting more and more Republican.
There's at least one more thing to consider too: Rep. Stefanik and other replacement theorists routinely inveigh against "reckless spending" and the need to "rein in government spending." But higher levels of immigration seem to discourage big hikes in government spending. It was only after the United States closed its borders that government spending ratcheted up sky-high.
As Alex Nowrasteh and Andrew C. Forrester of the Cato Institute have documented, between 1921 and 1968, restrictive immigration laws cut the percentage of the population that was foreign-born from 13 percent down to 4.8 percent. During that same period though, the New Deal and Great Society programs caused government spending as a percentage of GDP to soar from 6.9 percent to 18.9 percent—a hike of 174 percent. Immigration laws were loosened up in 1968, and the foreign-born population grew to almost 14 percent in 2017. Yet over the same time period, federal outlays as a percentage of GDP went from 18.9 percent to 20.4 percent, an increase of less than 8 percent.
What explains this phenomenon? "The Great Depression and other ideological shifts in public opinion were necessary for big changes in American policy during the New Deal, but they were politically possible because closed immigration removed the politically-effective immigrant welfare-queen argument," according to Nowrasteh and Forrester.
Ironically, if proponents of the great replacement theory actually want to get government spending under control, they'd best start lobbying for more newcomers, including from countries whose descendants voted in bigger numbers for Donald Trump in 2020 than they did in 2016.
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*tosses a bag of popcorn into the nuke*
Omitting the fact that you are rationalizing the breaking of federal law and the burdens put upon states in terms of health care, education , welfare, crime, law enforcement costs, judicial costs and penal costs. The allowance of Criminal Illegal Aliens to enter this country while those wanting to enter legally are pushed aside. The cost in terms of strengthening the criminal Mexican cartels and the use of these Criminal Illegal Aliens in drug smuggling is immeasurable. Nice try Better check with MSNBC/CNN to get better leftist talking points.
If you haven't notice it Reason's writers have been consistently wrong on anything and everything political for about the past 6 years. It coincided with a Presidential election and gave everyone at Reason TDS an incurable disease. Reason has become trash. I agree with you and am glad their are people like you here to point out their wrongness.
FIRST OFF, RONALD REAGAN WAS AN IMMIGRANT-LOVING COMMUNIST! UNLIKE THE GREAT ME AND THE ALMOST AS GREAT TUCKER, WHO THINK THAT OUR BUDDY VLAD IS A GENIUS, AND WHO SUPPORT TARIFFS AND TRADE PROTECTIONISM. THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T NEED ANY IMMIGRANTS (PARTICULARLY LATINO ONES), BECAUSE ALL OF THE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN VOTERS WHO WORSHIP ME AS IF I'M GOD (HEY, AND WHO HERE DOESN'T VIEW ME AS SUCH?) ARE Y-U-G-E-L-Y WILLING TO TAKE ANY JOB OFFERED TO THEM. OH, AND A Y-U-G-E THANK YOU TO ALL OF MY CULTISTS HERE WHO HAVE HIJACKED ALL OF REASON'S COMMENTS SECTIONS. GENUINE LIBERTARIANISM MUST BE DESTROYED, AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
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Thanks for those five minutes Nick. Though I doubt your facts will persuade anyone.
Open border at any cost! Right?
Mostly because Nick's twisting facts until they bleed and coming within micrometers of outright lying.
In 2012 Democratic politicians and every establishment lefty outlet from Vox to Salon was posting crowing obituaries to whiteness. Breathlessly explaining how by 20XX poor, working and lower-middle-class whites would no longer be the majority, replaced by superior hard-working browns and Asians who would invariably vote for the big (D).
Even though those articles are still plastered all over the internet, it's suddenly a riGhT-wiNG c0nsPiRACy theory to point their own rhetoric out.
Tucker Carlson isn't doing anything but reading Dem rhetoric from the last decade back to them at an inconvenient moment.
South Park had an entire episode based around the data the media were crowing about.
But it’s just a fever dream of the right…
It's like Gillespie didn't even look at the Tucker Carlson segment. Tucker quotes and shows videos of Dem politicians crowing about how the white majority is becoming a minority and it will solidify Dems in elections.
Then we have Gillespie's comment: "And it's wrong too, that in the unlikely event that happened, they will be "obedient" in voting for Democrats."
Tucker makes this very point three or four times - that dems are counting on immigrants to be solid democratic voters, but lots of data pointing to this assumption is on shaky ground.
Reason is a DNC organ with a specific role.
Gillespie, like all of Reason, obediently does what he's told.
"Obediently" or "eagerly"?
You got it right on point. The Dems and MSM are obfuscating the whole subject by conflating the concern with a WS meme.
I thought the Reason journalists were smarter than this.
Reason does not have journalists. It has writers who write exactly what they are directed to write.
They can't go to primary sources (Carlson or the people he cites) because it would prove him right.
It's way easier to declare "it is known" and cite blue-hair-checkmarks than do their fucking jobs as "Journalists".
What I came to say. It's not a conspiracy theory when you're quoting what they've publicly said on multiple occasions.
Absolutely pathetic, Reason.
"Everything looks bad if you remember it."
- Homer J Simpson
well put
Here’s a fact: the reason it only went up 8% is due to the fact they can’t physically spend any more than 20% of gdp. Duh.
This is interesting. So Nick Gillespie and Regan Taylor call Tucker Carlson not just wrong, but "spectacularly wrong" about replacement.
Yet, interestingly, they don't actually argue that it isn't happening. Instead, what they argue is: it's happening, but it's good!
If we issue "papers please" to the illegal sub-humans, then WHO will us Good Ol' Boys (white red-blooded cis-hetero Euro-American geezers) have, to LOOK DOWN UPON AND DESPISE any more?!?!
"Where have all the scapegoats gone?"
Lepers are LONG gone! WHO can we spit on, any moah? Can "trannies" stand ALL of this load? We need a "Great Replacement" for the Loathed Ones! WHO??! What is YOUR "Great Replacement Theory" here?
Here's a good read for those who still have an open mind... Cato…
https://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2019/myths-facts-immigration-policy
https://www.cato.org/blog/crime-along-mexican-border-lower-rest-country
And here's Pew Research. Real wages have totally stagnated in this country for decades. It's just a coincidence of course that's the exact same time frame that illegal immigrants have been undercutting US workers in the wage market. f
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/
And do you open your home to any homeless person or anyone else who wants to sleep there at any time? Why not? Are they all "sub-humans" and "lepers" to you?
When I need to look down upon anyone, I chose to look down on those who are HOOKED on looking down on others, and steadfastly REFUSE to treat others the way that they'd like to be treated! Secular "karma" (AKA "what comes around, goes around") means that the suffering that they dish out, WILL come back to them!
Fruits and veggies rotting in the fields, 'cause respectable REAL Americans won't pick them... What shall we do? Heap more abuse on the illegal sub-humans? Will THAT fix it?
https://www.eatingwell.com/article/291645/farmers-cant-find-enough-workers-to-harvest-crops-and-fruits-and-vegetables-are-literally-rotting-in-fields/
Farmers Can't Find Enough Workers to Harvest Crops—and Fruits and Vegetables Are Literally Rotting in Fields
California grows a huge percentage of our country's fruits and vegetables, yet farms are facing epic labor shortages preventing ripe produce from even being picked, let alone making its way to your grocery store.
Turns out all the immigrants that were expected to be peon labor for the country forever don't like picking crops, either.
Yes, this! ***IF*** they can get the forces of Government Almighty on THEIR side, and earn their degrees, licenses, and board certifications as Doctors of Doctorology... THEN they can work their way up to GIVING US PERMISSION TO BLOW UPON CHEAP PLASTIC FLUTES!!!! Wooo-Hooo for the Land of Opportunity!!! Thanks to Government Almighty, Trump, Biden, and ALL of the rest of them!
To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!
Put the people in jail into rehab and they will gladly pick cotton all day. Sqrlsy, fucking kys.
Oh please, you look down on anyone who doesn't agree with you. Example: In your first reply to John Rohan, you immediately started in with your usual put downs, but he only made an observation of the article, and how it did not address the actual subject at hand.
The Cato institute the chamber of commerce are big supporters of open borders.
Technically, they are correct. An open borders immigration policy doesn't just replace white Americans, it also replaces Black Americans with cheaper Latinx immigrants from Central and South America.
I have found no articles on news website that acknowledge that over 100 billion US tax payer dollars are expended on illegals every year. It is false to state they do not get benefits unless they have an "anchor baby". All they need is to get one child across the border and the family is entitled to full benefits. There are no birth certificates and certainly no SS# so they can and do claim six children when most only have two. The women have been trained to say the man does not live with them (he does) so she and her two children six benefits for 7 people, the woman, her two children and the 4 made up children. These benefits include, housing, food, clothings, utilities, internet and phone and yes medical.
Meanwhile the man does live with her and he get a low wage paying job....but since he has to pay nothing for living expenses...he easily buys a better car than most of the poor Americans can afford.
We already pay $100 million a year....how much more with another million illegals and how is that a great thing?
Plus costs of prisons, uninured health care, and the fact English as a second language education costs at a minimum 3x as much as English speaking.
https://cis.org/Camarota/ForeignBorn-Population-Hits-Record-466-Million-January-2022
Excellent point
It's not "Tucker Carlson's" "great replacement theory", it's the DNC's. Carlson is just discussing what its implications are. You can disagree with Tucker Carlson's conclusions, but it's not "his theory".
It is funny when open border zealots declare they're not about diminishing or replacing the native population, they just want to overwhelm them into irrelevancy.
HERE is your fix!
https://www.theonion.com/ice-agents-hurl-pregnant-immigrant-over-mexican-border-1822307567
ICE Agents Hurl Pregnant Immigrant Over Mexican Border To Prevent Birth On U.S. Soil
I remember when a commenter thought that was a real news story and used it as an example of our brutal border enforcement regime.
Was that before or after all those border patrol agents on horseback were whipping immigrants?
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/21/1039230310/u-s-border-agents-haiti-migrants-horses-photographer-del-rio
U.S. Border Agents Chased Migrants On Horseback. A Photographer Explains What He Saw
What, their horses put the ICE agents up to this? Or was it all staged by HollyWeird actors, or by Lizard People actors?
So you’re as ignorant as the photographer. That’s surprising.
So you’re more ignorant than the horseflies biting the asses of the horses. These flies bit YOU, ass the BIGGEST horse's ass, ass well, didn't they? Somehow, this does NOT surprise my ass, at all!
That’s a yes then. You know you can easily find out why this narrative is ignorant? Yet you refuse.
I don’t engage the shit eater anymore. It is one of two idiots I have on mute. Is it saying anything I should bother t read?
What the hell is wrong with chasing criminals on horseback? Should they have used gunships and helicopters instead?
These weren't a bunch of people having their immigration or refugee papers examined by border guards. They were criminals illegally trying to break in.
Here's the actual unedited video that shows Sqrlsy, NPR and the photographer were lying.
https://twitter.com/StorytellerSBM/status/1441450559995736069
Watch the unedited footage and then apologize to everyone, Sqrlsy.
He won’t. He revels in his ignorance for the narrative.
So the ICE-escapades involved hands, not whips, to do the whipping with. What's the big difference?
From your link...
"...they are coming-back from someplace where they bought food (which is in plastic blue bags) to carry back to their families. So these mounted cops weren't attacking new migrants. They were attacking dinner."
It is now a CRIME to try and feed your family, which is already on USA soil! THIS, from "Expert Christian Theologian" Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer!
So you refuse to even watch the actual raw video footage, huh?
They're not carrying food to their families. That's dry clothes and other travel supplies. The footage shows that.
You talk about tribalism and big lies, but that's all you ever do.
You pass on Big Lies from Your TrumpenFuhrer and Your Other Perfect Masters of Evil... It's all You ever do!
Now go have a cry.
The photographer was intentionally playing dumb, sqrlsy isn’t.
It is funny when open border zealots declare they're not about diminishing or replacing the native population, they just want to overwhelm them into irrelevancy.
3rd generation immigrants evolve to be more Americanized and more Anglicized than Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter combined. Really. Once we arrive to America, it is a never ending struggle to retain our ethnic traditions and cultural values. It is hard to compete with McDonalds and Super Size it!
http://filmrap.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/SUpersizeme.jpg
So the reasoning is the issues today are totally worth it 40 years down the road? That's a fine bet when you start with legal immigration but when you start off by ignoring any law you find inconvenient and breaking more laws to better secure your place it's suddenly not a good bet.
To be sure immigrants like me must go through legal venues to get here. Im all for shooting the coyotes who get paid $20K to sucker these desperate folks up to the US Border, then cut them loose. However, it would be grand if Americans rich liberals like Cher, Madonna, Bette Midler, Whoopi, Hollywood elites, et al, met these folks at the US Border and provided for them, as in walk the talk. Saddling US taxpayers for this train wreck should not be an option
Yes. A few cruise missiles on the haciendas of the crime lords would do more to reduce illegal entries than fences and border patrols.
Indeed. Democrats have OPENLY bragged about this for years. But Tucker noticing it makes HIM the bad guy.
Interesting.
Note: The British Labour party pursued this exact same strategy twenty years ago.
And yet a huge number of Asian, African and Caribbean immigrants and their decedents are now reliable Tories.
Tucker has in fact noted this in pointing out numerous times that the Donkeys may be miscalculating since on many of the culture war issues Hispanics and Blacks are far more conservative than dems think. Keep pushing abortion, gay rights and transgenderism and the Donkeys may find themselves in trouble if only someone in the GOP could give those people a reason to leave the plantation.
Even though he lost in '20 Trump got the highest percentage of black and hispanic votes of any Republican since Eisenhower.
"...in '20 Trump got the highest percentage of black and hispanic votes of any Republican since Eisenhower."
Before the election, if such numbers materialized, it was predicted he would win, in a landslide.
That he didn't is more evidence of the extent of the stolen election.
Great point. Last week I saw in the heat of all this GRT talk, Tucker say "the funniest thing is they may be wrong ... turns out your average Salvadoran landscaper politics are a lot closer to Donald Trump's than they are Joe Biden's or Nancy Pelosi's."
https://youtu.be/-EzgfBMVwFQ?t=554
Reason really ought to credit Carlson here, because his analysis of GRT is far more informed and nuanced than they are willing to acknowledge. I was kind of hoping Reason would, I dunno, be the voice of reason here and take a closer look at what Carlson has been arguing rather than just putting their mildly libertarian flavor on the same thing the CNNs/DailyBeasts/MSNBCs of the world have been saying about Carlson and his relationship with this GRT concept.
The writers at Reason aren’t exactly intellectuals. They’re basically propagandists.
Who you gonna believe? The professional libertarian journalists at Reason or your own lying eyes?
Can I choose the Reason commenters (at least some of them)?
Exactly. I respect Reason's debate about whether great replacement would have the effect that Carlson suspect's it will, but great replacement isn't a theory so much as an idea the Dems have openly talked about and praised for years as a plan that will improve their electoral odds.
I don't suspect 100% of amnestied illegal immigrants will break for Dems, but if you're talking even 55-45 D/R split out of an amnestied population that have settled heavily in say AZ or TX, that would likely have a big impact on the GOP's electoral college strategy in any presidential election.
They also argue illegal immigrants draw fewer entitlement dollars than native-born Americans. They admit its 39 percent less than native-born Americans, but that's still 1) a non-zero value (as in non-taxpayers are enjoying the benefits of taxpayer money) and 2) illegal immigrants who are more cautious about getting caught might explain to some degree why they are less bold in drawing on entitlements in the first place.
You have to dig deeper. Run a search on how much it costs the taxpayers...100 billion is what the articles say.
to people who are not here legally.
This is fucking ignorant to blame it on the dems - if the repubs gave a single shit then we’d have reform. They don’t because they’re in on it too.
Which leaves the citizens of america to blame. Apparently pointing fingers is the best we can muster to attempt to effect change. We deserve the Monkeypox we will soon be decimated by.
Skin color is the most important thing
"And if you don't agree, you're a racist." -- every Democrat and Reason writer.
Division is the most important thing. Name one group who isn’t actively divided by government and media.
Also, no one wants to take your guns away.
Read my lips... No new taxes!
You can keep your doctor!
I won't send our boys to war in Europe!
So Reason is fact checking now. Yep. Fits with their reporting.
Lying about the facts is pretty much par for the course for most factcheckers and Reason's no exception.
And just because the logic of THE DNC’s (and apparently Koch libertarians) REPLACEMENT THEORY, might blow up in their face, doesn’t mean they aren’t dumb enough to actually try it. Nor do they (or the republicans) have the balls to actually try stemming the flow now that the faucets have been kicked to full blast.
This is what happened in Europe’s case. Even “get tough on migrant” measures were spectacularly ineffectual and were often purposely designed to sound draconian in order to create a backlash, that politicians could then wash their hands of and it would be business as usual
Because You can’t actually deport people unless you have an agreement with the country you’re deporting them to. Unless you’re literally going to put them on a boat at gunpoint to wander the earth. Which, let’s face it, we aren’t going to do.
This was the value of Trumps wall rhetoric. Something a lot of us (including myself) saw too late. It’s not about whether could stop every illegal immigrant, it’s that he made it sound like too much of a pain in the ass for the mass numbers we’re seeing now.
Sure we can. We have the might to forcibly return invaders to the countries they entered from.
Shit, all we have to do is tell them we'll withhold the money we send every country on the planet, if they don't take them back and they'll fold like a newly laundered sheet.
^ he's right.
Please do not conflate GRT with GRF, Great Replacement Fact. It is not a fact and will not be a fact, but its danger rises from Pelosi and wokers trying to replace Whites and threatening that it can be done. See Michelle Goldberg. Fear is more potent than fact and the theory is used to terrorize, especially the paranoid right wing. You are talking about that happens factually with every immigrant group; they are talking about THREATS. Fear is irrational which is why politicos love it so much
For fuck sakes, what do you think the goal was when 100% of the Democratic field declared, in front of the nation, that the world's population would be entitled to free, taxpayer funded healthcare so long as they were able to make an end-zone dive into the confines of our social construct? What is it-- exactly-- that you think is going on here?
A Conspiracy Theory.
It is an honest admission by the DNC that their messaging has fallen on deaf ears in America, which is why they resort to selling their messaging to international audiences. Thing is, once we arrive here (and Ive been here several decades now), the Leftist Prog apparatchik credo scare the bejeezus out of us: Trans? Men having periods and getting pregnant? Women having beards and dicks? Abortion through 3rd trimester? Divide and Conquer Marxist doublespeak? Anti-guns? Pro-drugs? Anti-religion?
They never poll us to ask us what we think, much like their idiotic Latinx monstrosity. They lose our vote.
And check out the hard hitting journalism involved in mentioning Tucker, then posting a second hand tweet from a hated conservative its easier to dismiss and argue against, along retort from some disingenuous twat conflating the anti-Semitic European conspiracy theory with what Tucker actually said.
And there you have it. Why Reasonoids are so freaking clueless when it comes to the actual cultural and political battles that are taking place.
Like with most other holy words, only true believers are allowed to speak them. Democrats can say "demography is destiny", and get all gooey in their uni-sex panties. But if others question the same demography, they commit blasphemy.
"The last truly major immigration law was passed in 1986 when Ronald Reagan signed bipartisan legislation that ultimately allowed 2.7 million illegal immigrants—mostly from Mexico—to gain citizenship. Since then, reform in Washington has proven elusive."
When one side delivers what they promised and the other, well, refuses to do so --- yeah, tends to make anything bipartisan impossible since one cannot trust the Dems to do anything they agree to.
"You first" must be the GOP mantra on every "bipartisan" agreement.
Meanwhile, Moslems leaders have been saying openly, since the early 70s, that they will replace Europeans in Eurabia by reproducing like rats and look at how well that’s going for Europeans…
Well, European appeasement worked so well in the 20th century, why not now?
Correlation =/= causation.
I'm guessing the open borders during the free spending years of Obama did not exist. Ditto under Biden.
So reason is continuing to ignore 2 decades of MSM stories regarding this? Including on this site? About demographics being destiny?
Still tuckers fault? Lol.
(1) The actual "Great Replacement Theory" is a fringe anti-Semitic conspiracy theory; it is Democrats and progressives who are deliberately conflating it with mainstream observations about how demographic changes and immigration drive political change. And just like them, you deliberately engage in the same equivocation and confusion.
(2) It is Democrats, including Joe Biden, who have been endlessly promoting the Democratic Great Replacement Theory, welcoming it, and even been gleeful over how "demographics is destiny" and how the new demographics will permanently doom the Republican party.
(3) The fact that Democrats miscalculated and that immigrants (like myself) aren't going to vote the way they want does not make Tucker wrong. The fact remains: Democrats have been callously and deliberately manipulating demographics for political gain. We know that because they have told us so over and over again.
(4) Reason is fully on board with this crap. Sure, you won't directly promote the same racist and bigoted ideology as progressives, instead you will cook up libertarian-sounding arguments to support them obliquely, like you did in this article, committing whatever logical fallacies you need along the way to reach your desired conclusions and the same outcomes.
We immigrants will not conform to your crappy, racist policies, Reason. Nick, you can go to hell along with the progressives, racists, neolibs, and neocons for whom you carry water.
I notice that YouTube already has memory-holed Biden's "majority-minority" speech, in which he speaks of a relentless stream of migrants that will make people of European descent a minority. I found it easily a couple of days ago... nothing today. He reiterated that view again in some 2020 clips; they have also been purged from YouTube.
Too bad you don't own the rights to those videos. That is, I assume you believe in private property and that the owner gets to decide when, where, and by whom the video is seen. Then you could publish the hell out of them and it wouldn't look like some anonymous commenter was just making things up to satisfy his bias. Or had been deluded by deep fakes. And like most people, would benefit from watching fewer videos and reading more.
No, I don't believe in being able to assert copyright on official presidential speeches, and that's not what's happening here anyway. The videos are still available, it's just that YouTube manipulates their availability for political reasons, and I am pointing that out.
Good god, you're worse than the kinds of morons who used to support Pravda and the communist party.
I can remember when President Bush was actively recruiting Hispanics and Latinos. Then the racists in the Republican party got control. I think there are few racists in the Republican party but they have an oversized influence. This drives the agenda to that of the old white male.
BTW - noticed on the news the NRA Convention. Most of the pictures showed as bunch of those old white men. The former President, the Chief old white man was the keynote speaker.
Yes. And I remember when President Trump was actively recruiting Hispanics, Latinos, and blacks.
That's a lie, along with the lie that Republicans are "homophobic" and "transphobic" and "xenophobic". You're either too stupid to recognize this for the lie it is, or you are actively spreading it.
There is only one racist party in America, and it's the Democratic party. And racism in the Democratic party isn't some small fringe element, nor some new phenomenon, it's been at the heart of the Democratic party and its platform for the entirety of its existence.
LOL - The projecting is strong with this one.
What projection? I didn't see any.
He dismantled your claims, that's not projection.
You are confusing name-calling with dismantling.
The original claims were lies Jeffy.
I'm a gay immigrant and former Democrat, now non-voting independent. I left the Democratic party once I came to understand their long history of racism and how their current policies continue it. So please explain to me how you think I am "projecting" anything.
The fact is that YOU continue to embrace the party of racism and segregation. But you don't want to face your own racist belief system, so you lash out and falsely accuse others of racism.
In actual fact, you are incapable of naming a single racist policy promoted by the Republican party.
Hey, in the modern liberal mind (and platform) not fully embracing anti-racist delusions is de facto racism.
What is actual, not delusional or de facto, racism in your mind? What are the anti-racist ideas you call delusions?
Racism is the belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities, as well as government or public policies based on this idea.
A whole range of delusions: Ibram Kendi, the 1619 Project, Critical Legal Studies, implicit bias, reparations, the occurrence of widespread white supremacy in the US, to name just a few.
When did you immigrate and when did you come out of the closet? How long have you been in America to think Republicans are ok with being gay? Do you know how in the 2004 and 2006 elections the Republicans in took control of government despite a minority of the electorate? By motivating their base to vote with gay marriage bans at the state level. The idea they could ban gay marriage later backfired on them in that it forced the issue to SCOTUS, who recognized the inequality of such bans as an infringement of rights in 2015. But back in 2004, Karl Rove used bigotry to keep Bush the younger in the White House. As for not voting - that is an shamefully apathetic concession to the elitists of the status quo. Do you consider yourself part of the elite? Do you consider yourself White?
Neither party was "OK with being gay": Obama, Biden, and Hillary all opposed gay marriage.
Yes, and then Obama used bigotry to win against McCain, and McCain tried to use bigotry to win against Obama, an election in which the choice was between two war mongering, bigoted psychopaths. And people like you are such idiots that you actually think that one side is better than the other.
No, I do not consider myself to be part of the elite, nor do I consider myself to be white.
It's fools like you who put "the elitists of the status quo" in power. It's people like you who are destroying this country and turning it into a bigoted, divided, impoverished sh*thole.
You seem to think that for some reason I should care. I don't. I have come to realize that the right thing to do is to worry about my personal finances and future and leave this country when it no longer provides a significant benefit to me; after all, people like you have destroyed everything that used to be morally and politically good about this country.
If you're talking about your projection, then I agree. If you think NOYB2 is projecting the you are literally just using that term to deflect from the fact you got called out in you lies.
No doubt that's why voters, members, and political leaders in the Democratic Party are of every and all races and in approximation of America's population while the GOP is lily white with a few exception among leaders - like the one black guy Trump always gets to stand behind him at rallies.
I'm sorry that Justice Thomas and General Powell don't count in your eyes. And I guess that Ted Cruz forgot to put on his Hispanic genes this morning. These are just the peak of the GOP.
All of them have been on the receiving end of bigoted vitriol for being "race traitors". It's little wonder that minority conservatives want to avoid politics.
"I think there are few racists in the Republican party": More like "a great many."
I will stick with a few, but as I noted they have an oversized influence.
Such as? And how?
Who are the racists in the Republican Party and what racist things have they done?
The fish rots from the head. The former President is a racist with an oversized influence in the Republican Party. Why is he a racist;
- business practices that have attempted to exclude minorities from his properties.
- pushed birther conspiracy
- as a candidate called Mexican rapists (check the tape)
- as President objected to a judge on the basis of the judge being Hispanic, called black women B word (check the tape), told black Congress women (even those native born) to go back where they came from (check the tape), called black majorities countries in Africa S---hole countries, called marcher chanting "Jews will not replace us" good people, I could go on.
- after losing the election blamed loss on fraud in large urban area with minority populations. Did he recount any white dominated areas?
"Racist because I make disengenous conclusions using spun narratives from provided facts."
FIFY
So, does anti-white culture and people count as racism?
It would be. But not acknowledging White people as superior is not anti-White. And there never really has been such a thing as White people. It's a delusion where your self-esteem should be.
What utter garbage. I asked you a serious question. Instead of answering, you threw it all onto one person and then told me a bunch of lies about that person.
- business practices that have attempted to exclude minorities from his properties.
Give me one actual example of this, because I know you're full of shit.
In fact Trump was known back in the day for desegregating his golf courses, which got Palm Beach mad at him.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB862335923489989500
Your first "example" is an outright lie.
- pushed birther conspiracy
How the fuck is that racist??? What kind of hot stupidity is that conflation? The Democrats did the exact same thing about the births of McCain (Panama Canal Zone) and Ted Cruz (Calgary). Was that racist?
- as a candidate called Mexican rapists (check the tape)
Mexicans aren't a race, you stupid twat. 47% of Mexicans are pure white. 2% are black and the rest Asian, mixed and indigenous.
Canadian's aren't a race either.
- as President objected to a judge on the basis of the judge being Hispanic
How so? When? Who? What did he say.
called black women B word (check the tape)
What? "Bitch"? If so, how is that racist?
Black woman aren't excluded from being bitchy because of their skin colour. What tape? And who did he call a bitch?
told black Congress women (even those native born) to go back where they came from (check the tape),
Go back to hell? Who did he say this to, and what was the context? Also, how is this even remotely racist if true?
called black majorities countries in Africa S---hole countries
It was a reference to Haiti which isn't in Africa and is the very definition of a shithole country. I bet if you polled Haitians they would overwhelmingly agree that Haiti is a shithole.
Now explain how this is racist.
called marcher chanting "Jews will not replace us" good people
This is an outright lie. Even the execrable Politifact had to admit it wasn't true.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
I could go on
Please do, because you've lied a lot, but haven't presented one actual example of Republicans being racist.
- after losing the election blamed loss on fraud in large urban area with minority populations. Did he recount any white dominated areas?
Are you retarded? The deep blue left coasts are the whitest states in the country.
The 10 States With The Largest Percentage Of African American Population In The United States For 2022
1. Mississippi
2. Louisiana
3. Georgia
4. Maryland
5. Alabama
6. South Carolina
7. Delaware
8. North Carolina
9. Virginia
10. Tennessee
Everything you said was a lie.
Additional cites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico#Ethnicity_and_race
https://www.roadsnacks.net/most-african-american-states-in-america/
Thanks for your citations. It makes sense you would accept those statistics in this moment. Not just because they help fuel your rage-aholism. It also makes sense because that study began with categorizing people according to no fewer than eleven skin color categories. These were not self-identified categories. Is it any wonder that a study founded on racist assumptions would be used to support racist thinking?
In other words, he’s exactly right, amd you’re using weasel language to try and make it appear otherwise. Yeah, that’s a very Pedo Jeffy thing to do.
Every single thing you just said is a distortion, or outright lie. Every single thing you said has already been litigated and debunked here. You know this, as you were the one we had to straighten out on at least a few of your lies.
Yet you continue to repeat this garbage. So basically, you’re just a propagandist liar.
You're repeating an endless litany of misrepresentations and debunked lies, mixed with a good deal of your own racist and bigoted beliefs. Try again.
You're welcome to name names and specific instances of racists in the Republican party; you can't.
Contrast that with the Democratic party, which is full of racists, from the top down: people who use racist language and tropes ("super-predators", "a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee", "poor kids are just as bright as white kids") and a bevy of racist policies.
Your own thinking is so suffused with racism that you are incapable of even seeing it.
The former President see my response to ML.
See my response to M4E.
He called a few things that definitely aren't racist "racist" and then lied a lot. I think he copypasted most of it from some lefty blog.
FFS, you’re a buffoon.
I did see your response to ML: what you are demonstrating in your response is your dishonesty, your bigotry, your gullibility, and your own racist belief system.
I wonder how you define "racist". Or "racism". Either one.
Racism is judging and treating people differently based on the color of their skin, rather than based on their individual behavior, choices, and character.
It's what you do. It's what the Democrats do.
Yes, but you’re an idiot.
We’ve imported tens of millions of them. How many is enough? Why does our immigration have to be dominated by people from central and South America?
Immigration has always seen waves from particular areas. In 1870's the Irish, on a smaller scale many Russians immigrated in 1990 after fall of the Soviet Union. My kids went to school with their children, I met them at work or as neighbors. Immigration has never been uniform.
Waves? It’s a fucking tsunami. Now answer my question.
And now perhaps you can see an answer to your first question? It's the same as asking "When will American capitalists have enough cheap labor"?
Never.
Yet you keep advocating for flooding the US labor market with cheap foreign labor, to the detriment of US citizens and tax payers, which is exactly what those "American capitalists" want.
You even repeat the racist drivel and the economic fictions ("both legal and illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive") that those "American capitalists" use to justify their destructive policies.
People like you are the main drivers behind the real problem with racism and the economic failure of the middle class that we have in the US.
You are the problem.
They aren’t real capitalists. They’re just like you. I’m against open borders. If that causes wages to rise as a function of the market, then so be it.
I have an answer for your questions. Last one first: the brown scary people are the ones who are willing to put up with the American hypocrisy of the capitalists who are dependent on their below-the market-cost labor while cynically fusing themselves politically with White Supremacists. This pretense helps prevent this indispensably despised source of labor from getting a fair shake, and keeping it all below market cost for the capitalists.
You are advocating flooding the US labor market with cheap unskilled labor, to the detriment of American blue collar workers and American tax payers. That means that you are doing the bidding of billionaires, hedge fund managers, and corporations. And you justify your corrupt policies using racism and bigotry.
Traditional labor and minority leaders like Hugo Chavez understood how evil unrestricted and illegal migration across the border is, which is why they fought it.
So you’re arguing for more border security to stop this? Good.
Old white men? Like Biden? Dozens of potential presidential candidates and and you assholes backed the oldest, whitest, most senile idiot you could find. How does that work?
“The great replacement theory is spectacularly wrong in asserting that the government is going to create millions of new citizens overnight.”
There’s no need for it to be done overnight. They’re thinking long term. The power elite definitely wants a much quicker and easier path to citizenship. They can let the invaders in now and make them citizens later. And there is a spreading movement to allow non-citizen residents to vote.
“Immigrants consume fewer welfare benefits than native-born Americans”
Irrelevant, since clearly that amount they SHOULD be consuming is zero.
“Ronald Reagan signed bipartisan legislation that ultimately allowed 2.7 million illegal immigrants—mostly from Mexico—to gain citizenship.”
Which, as I said above, is clearly the plan for the future of current invaders.
“But even if those immigrants somehow became citizens overnight”
See above.
“More recently, between 2016 and 2020, Donald Trump made gains with every demographic blah blah blah…”
So, you’re trying to make the point that Hispanic immigrants don’t vote Democrat by pointing out the majority of them vote Democrat? Fail.
“It was only after the United States closed its borders that government spending ratcheted up sky-high.”
Your logical fallacy is “post hoc ergo propter hoc”.
Sorry, you haven’t refuted shit.
"See above."
The smug proclamations you are using to defend the racist narrative are hilarious, but this one made me laugh out loud. I thank you.
Let's be crystal clear here: it's you who wallows in racist ideas and ideology. The rest of us just want immigration law to be enforced as written, so that legal immigrants are treated fairly and American workers are protected against the depredations of greedy corporations and politicians.
What a boring tale we moderns tell. We've used immigration for partisan political advantage since forever. The tales and the sides ain't changed much. But at least you can make a good movie with the Natives and the Dead Rabbits, with Boss Tweed fishing for Irish votes on the docks and Bill the Butcher and his Know-Nothings wanting to kill them.
There is no good movie with the current shit.
The word "theory" has a specific scientific meaning and usage.
I think what you want is, "Great Replacement Blather".
Would you care to name that meaning and usage? Or are you just here to criticize?
Look, at this point I really don't give a shit what color or gender or farm animal marriage arrangement the citizens around me prefer. But I demand that Americans respect and honor core values like individual freedom and property rights, and agree that the Constitution still defines the best way to manage the nation.
In fact I would encourage some migration trading ASAP to find new homes for those who desire a more socialist, nannyist, or wokeist society.
Look, at this point nobody really gives a shit about a bigot's authoritarian solution to a problem that is mostly composed of bigotry. Maybe we should trade you and find a new homes for those who don't respect democracy and create enemies out of thin air. The boogiemen called antifa, socialism, nannyism, and wokeism are all creations of the right. They don't really exist the way you caricature them.
They are very real creations of the left, and they common means by which the left turns thriving democracies into totalitarian shitholes.
But, hey, ignorant Americans like you deserve to learn this first hand. A country filled with people like you does not deserve the kind of power and wealth that the US has traditionally enjoyed.
You’re a leftist, so not really American. You get no say in anything and should feel fortunate that we allow your kind to exist. This is America, and it is here for Americans. Not traitor trash, like you.
Isn't that dog track Joe's policy? Thats why he's allowing open boarders (which he should be impeached for) he said as much back in 2015, There is nothing more loathsome the somebody who is ashamed of and feels guilty because of their race.
It's disingenuous to pretend that what happens at the border is decided by Biden. Why don't you blame Trump for not following through with his promises? Is it because you knew all along his promise was bullsh!t? Or because you know that American capitalists, dependent on cheap labor, will never shut that money pump down? If Repubbers once again gain control of Congress with their less-than-majority electorate, will they once again get a pass for not passing any legislation to fix things the way you blubber about?
Your belief that you are part of a "race" is a delusional fantasy that fills up the space where your self-esteem would normally go.
It's disingenuous to pretend that the migrant crisis is not primarily the fault of Biden and congressional Democrats.
Biden has deliberately sabotaged immigration enforcement any way he could, since day one of his administration. Exploding illegal migrant numbers are evidence that this has had a huge impact. Congressional Democrats have sabotaged any attempts to bring the migrant crisis under control or step up border enforcement. Harris has been totally ineffective in both her domestic and foreign engagements.
The only reason Trump didn’t do what he said is because trash like you fought him at every step. You are to blame, and you are the enemy within.
Demographics *does* equal destiny. Sorry to break that awful news to all MAGA cultists and other Reason readers deathly afraid of being “replaced." Nothing can stop the normal tides of human migration over the long run. Sure, send half of the active U.S. military to the border as insane white nationalist Trump whisperer Stephen Miller proposed. Won’t matter over the long haul. The electoral college, racist voter suppression, and the rise of Republican President for Life DeSantis or Pence may complicate matters for a time. But you are being replaced, so get over it.
No, honey, immigrants like me are replacing racists and fascists like you.
Sounds like somebody promoting GRT. But in an explicitly racist manner, like Dems have a tendency to do.
But that's the good kind of racism.
The Democrats are the source of the great replacement theory. They openly brag about it:
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-are-massive-hypocrites-so-called-great-replacement-theory-opinion-1708768
This is fertilizer. As Biden noted the immigrants are and have always been a great source of American strength. How much of the infrastructure of this country was build by African, Asian, and Irish immigrant labor. All who where at one time considered not white. Democrats are simply reporting the facts. The world is moving on and the privileged of white is fading. It is the racist that don't want to accept that fact.
We have plenty of illegals already. How many more do we need?
For people like Moderation4Ever, we need enough to ensure that that Democrats are the only party in power for the foreseeable future.
Why are you so sure that "Democrats are the only party" that would appeal to immigrants? Does it have something to do with who has more respect for them as human beings?
No, it has to do with giving them free shit when they come here. Democrats don’t respect a goddamned thing.
Amd you keep confusing illegals with immigrants. They’re not the same.
Apparently we need enough "illegals" to fulfill American capitalists' dependency on below-market -cost labor. So there never will be enough.
Well, and the party that's in bed with "American capitalists" is the party that condones and actively supports the massive influx of cheap foreign labor: the Democrats. For good measure, they (and you) falsely accuse anybody who opposes these "American capitalist" policies of racism and bigotry. That was a sly propaganda move, but it's working less and less well.
Why do you conflate legal immigrants with illegals?
My brother and sister spent a lot of time, money and effort immigrating to America to be with their spouses. They follow the rules, contribute to their communities and pay their taxes.
But you want to conflate them with bullshit crooks who snuck in and contribute nothing.
This is why hispanics are are supporting the Republican party. Many of them came here the right way and are pissed that the Democrats are letting millions of illegals cut in line and then talk about a "path to citizenship". What a slap in the face.
"Many came here the right way"
But they not the right kind of people, according to the Trump "sh!thole country" theory of immigration. It's funny when Repubbers pretend to care about equality.
"But they not the right kind of people"
Literally nobody has said that regarding legal immigration you lying fuck. Not here and not by "right-wing" politicians and pundits. You have to make shit up because if you couldn't lie you'd have nothing.
I'm not a fan of Trump, but in regards to his "shit hole country" comments, he had the guts to say what everyone else thinks but won't say out loud.
It is racists and bigots like you who judge immigrants by the countries and cultures of their origin. It's racists and bigots like you who think of immigrants as somehow enriching the culture of the US. It's racists and bigots like you who can't fathom the idea that immigrants come to the US in order to become American and leave their old cultures and countries behind because those old cultures and countries were shitholes.
You want to conflate people who had money, influence, and luck with very poor, peaceful, hard-working people who only come here because they are given jobs by capitalist Americans who are dependent on labor that is less than the market will provide.
"poor, peaceful, hard-working people"
What bullshit. My brother and sister weren't wealthy, violent or lazy, they were the definition of "poor, peaceful and hard-working people" and they still managed to immigrate to the US legally.
You're half right though, support for illegal immigration is definitely partly about rich capitalists evading minimum wages and employee regs.
The amount of disengenous arguments you make to keep your narrative going of "Repubs racist" is getting a bit strained.
Thinking you may need a name change with such spectacular bias.
"Extremist4ever", unless the moderate position is now six miles to the left of Pol Pot.
“Infrastructure”? “Labor”? Who engineered it, mod?
Nobody’s replacing anybody. You dems have successfully discouraged minority achievement with grievance politics and pandering, and convinced them that being the entertainment is the way to go.
Good job.
I'm in Texas. Mexican immigrants come here to work and start businesses, not to freeload. They're religious, family-oriented, and basically conservative in their general outlook. They're a natural Republican constituency, if only the brain-dead Republicans would notice and knock off the Trumpian racist tropes.
We immigrants are natural Republican voters once we figure out how racists and fascists like you keep lying to us about "Trumpian racist tropes".
Did you learn how to name-call and blame whole groups of people for your problems before or after you immigrated?
Probably the same time you learned to deflect, redirect and strawman, I guess.
I haven't "name called" or "blamed" any groups of people.
I do call you a racist and a fascist because that's what you are. But unless you suffer from multiple personality disorder, you are not a "group".
I'm in California which is permanently hispanic and democrat. If you don't believe that hispanics are culturally inclined to drink the socialist kool-aid, you're not watching south america go down the toilet. Again, 2022.
What are you talking about? I'm being told by people like Sean Penn that socialist paradises like Cuba and Argentina are model countries and we should be more like them. If a celebrity says it, it must be true!
Can you provide a reference for Sean Penn lionizing Cuba or Argentina?
Here you go, you disingenuous clown. Enjoy.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-penn-hollywood-havana-and-me
In the article you link to, Penn says he was able to meet with the remains of the Cuban "opposition":
"who registered their complaints toward the system in balanced expression and coded creativity so that they may speak and yet be spared a prison sentence."
Not a pretty picture. And then:
"Fidel Castro was many things. His shift from the socialist advocate of democracy to a form of totalitarian communist is one worthy of great study..."
I did not find the word "paradise" in the article. I assume you know that Penn did not think to find totalitarianism in paradise, nor vice versa, because you are so much smarter than I am.
I'm really excited to hear what name you are going to call me next. Because I know you are well out of rational comments, but continue to indulge your compulsion to mash your fingers into your keyboard as you do.
Congratulations! Your comment contains TWO distinct racist assertions.
Oh wow! Hispanics are now a race? Someone better tell Spain.
Are the Anglosphere and la Francophonie races too?
So fucking stupid.
I think dumb@ss would have been a more appropriate username for this clown.
Thanks so much for your pedagogical regard. I should have said:
Congratulations! Your comment contains TWO distinctly BIGOTED bigoted assertions.
And hanks very much for the hint of using more bigotries about French people. Made things easy for me.
That's enough for now. I'll come back a let you school me the next time I wanna know which way the herd you run with is going.
Ha, I thought you were going to say, "...inclined to drink all morning!"
guess you haven't noticed that most of the illegals coming across the border are not mexican.
"Within a few years of Reagan's amnesty program, the GOP took control of the House for the first time in 40 years"
This had WAY more to do with the Clinton Admin pushing to nationalize healthcare than immigration, but don't let facts get in the way . . .
According to Nick, anything good that happens is due to open borders. Anything bad that happens is because they aren’t open enough.
Aren't you forgetting the "Contract with America" that, in fact, didn't mention health care? And the fact that Clinton once again was able to take advantage from Ross Perot dividing the populist vote? Because what you are saying is that millions of amnestied immigrants had less of effect on the electorate than Hilary Clinton and the threat of a single-payer health care reform. If that is something you believe to be true, why be so afraid of a Reganesque amnesty now?
"Immigrants consume fewer welfare benefits than native-born Americans (about 39 percent less in average cash value)."
LEGAL immigrants consume less welfare benefits, because they must demonstrate a means of supporting themselves before being allowed to migrate into the country!
But don't let facts get in the way . . .
All studies on the subject have shown that both legal and illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive from benefit programs.
But don't let you bias get in the way...
illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive from benefit programs.
Bullshit. Show me the government figures.
I cannot show you what you choose not to see. Many institutions have analyzed the question. It's pretty easy to find their reports, if you look. YOU must act to gain or keep what is of value to you.
Someone dox this dumb@ss
Bull shit. There are no such studies that do not conflate illegal aliens with legal immigrants. You made the statement, actually argue it's pretty easy to fine their reports, (it's not) but proffer no evidence.
There are no credible government economic stats on illegals, mostly because their "illegal-ness" keeps them off various radars which feed BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) algorithms, which are tweaked and cherrypicked as hell anyway to satisfy whatever narrative suits the current Administration. Hell, the various overlapping social service agencies of our bloated socialist Banana Republic can't even agree how many illegals there are; so how could they possibly determine their economic demographics?
That's a lie. For example:
There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year. (source)
In fact, a simple look at the federal income tax system and the average income of illegal migrant households shows that your assertion is complete nonsense.
Of course it is. Is this idiot one-off Jeffy or Mikey’s socks? Sounds like them.
Thanks for providing the source to YOUR nonsense. It's a study that even many on the right discredited. Here's a juicy tidbit:
" Children in unlawful immigrant households receive heavily subsidized public education. Many unlawful immigrants have U.S.-born children; these children are currently eligible for the full range of government welfare and medical benefits. And, of course, when unlawful immigrants live in a community, they use roads, parks, sewers, police, and fire protection; these services must expand to cover the added population or there will be “congestion” effects that lead to a decline in service quality."
Anybody else hear some sort of whistling sound? How about this one:
"The presence of these 4 million native-born children with unlawful immigrant parents is a direct result of unlawful immigration. These children would not reside in the U.S. if their parents had not chosen to enter and remain in the nation unlawfully. Obviously, any analysis of the fiscal cost of unlawful immigration must therefore include the costs associated with these children, because those costs are a direct and inevitable result of the unlawful immigration of the parents. The costs would not exist in the absence of unlawful immigration."
I do appreciate when a bias is polished rather than pretended to not exist. But including "costs are a direct and inevitable result" as part of your assumptions? Daaaaaaaaang! Is it any wonder what their study concluded?
Why are you ignoring the studies from Cato, Dubya, Brookings, ...? Not whistley enough for ya?
You claimed that "All studies on the subject have shown that both legal and illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive from benefit programs." Since the Heritage Foundation study reaches a different conclusion, your statement is false.
The fact that almost every illegal migrant or low skill immigrant is a fiscal net negative follows directly from government tax and spending data; we don't even need to look at the Heritage study. Any study that reaches a different conclusion is obviously false.
LEGAL semi-human immigrunts GOOD! ILLEGAL sub-human immigrunts BAD!
Solution: Issue "Magic Papers" to turn illegals into legals, bad into good, lead into gold! Call the papers "philosopher's papers"! PLEASE? Then we can get a GOOD response, whenever we sternly order, "Papers Please"!
(Yer welcome for my BRILLIANT fix, BTW!)
"It was only after the United States closed its borders that government spending ratcheted up sky-high. "
Government spending increased under the most recent border closure because democrats were spending like drunken sailors during the COVID shutdowns, not only to maintain some measure of an economy, but to pad the pockets of their liberal city/state governments & donors.
The same happened in the 30s/60s during the New Deal and Great Society programs. Government spending increased spending on welfare programs during those periods despite lower levels of legal immigration.
but don't let facts get in the way . . .
Now, as then, the Democrats (see shrike) blame all of that shitty spending, and the inevitable inflation that comes with it, on the Previous Republican President, never taking responsibility for Congressional Democrats profligate spending habits every time they get in office.
You seem to think you know a lot of facts.
You should abandon the democrats and try that for yourself.
Great replacement? Where would people get a nutty idea like that?
We Can Replace Them, Michelle Goldberg, New York Times
"Where would people get a nutty idea like that?"
From somebody who terrifies you so much you are willing to draw a false equivalency?
How the fuck is that false equivalency, Jeff.
Well...When you say that Abrams, talking about the rebound of a long suppressed voting block has the same idea as a meathead shooting up a grocery store, you are draw a fucking false equivalency, Fuckhead.
Ooioh, aren’t you a tough little punk today. Too bad a commie leftist faggot like you never had any real guts.
Long suppressed voting block? Who would that be?
African Americans have had higher voter participation rates than whites in past elections. Obviously, they aren't being suppressed.
Yeah so here the liberaltarians at Reason employ a strategy straight out of the socialist handbook. Tell a bald faced lie and then repeat it despite the fact that no evidence supports it. This is the second time in a week that they've made the claim that the great replacement is a conspiracy theory and laid the blame on Tucker Carlson for promulgating it. A quick online search or quick read of the comments above reveals that Democrats have been promoting the strategy for decades. In fact it's common knowledge. We can argue about who benefits or not from demographic change but to claim that Tucker Carlson is just making shit up is absurd. We all know Reason supports completely unrestricted immigration. Fine make your case. Instead you make asses of yourselves.
Perhaps Reason is aiming for a more middle-of-the-road, 21st century moderate position. Like Vox.
Well one thing for sure, no illegal aliens are coming for Reason's jerbs. maybe they have higher standards.
Do you think describing a social change in glowing terms is no different than describing it with fear and hatred? Because I think you are being disingenuous when you pretend that angry men parading around with torches and shouting "Jews will not replace us" have merely been late to the party.
The demographic change is real. Nobody disputes this fact. I'm simply pointing out that Reason's spin is absurd. Unable to blame Trump for all evil anymore they pivot to the perceived voice of the dreaded populism that might threaten their comfy elitist world. And feel compelled to insult the intelligence of their readers by telling bald faced lies. For the record I accept the fact that the "racial makeup" of the US is changing and it doesn't bother me in the least. I'm about to go to a family event where I will see Asian people, black people, European people, Hispanic people and every conceivable mixture thereof. It's the natural course of events neither bad nor good. I happen to think the culture around here works a lot better than a lot of the alternatives on the planet and it turns out that most immigrants agree with me on that point. None of this has anything to do with Reason's open borders advocacy. If that's what they are selling then they should make their case not beclown themselves.
"it turns out that most immigrants agree with me on that point"
How do you know that? Do these people have any space at all to disagree with you on that point without being labeled communist or worse?
They do. Just not a lying shit weasel Marxist like you, Pedo Jeffy.
I understand why people don't vote for libertarians just fine.
Why they aren't beating them with baseball bats isn't so clear.
Because they would get shot.
Because they are without integrity and pretend to be Republicans so they are not obvious targets.
You’re a funny one. I hope you stay around a while.
Fundamentally the concept of Whiteness is crumbling because it's fiction. Truly, whatever "standard" a White Supremacist thinks he is upholding has been quite diluted. These days, all kinds of people think of themselves as White - even though their ancestors were not considered White in their time. The story was silly from the start, and all that still remains is the sad spectacle of self-declared supremacy insisting on itself. White people are being replaced. Because being White is a fantasy, like Camelot or Brigadoon. Coming out of that fog doesn't just mean realizing that you are not supreme. It means realizing you are not White. And that nobody ever was.
The DNA experts tell us we all came out of Africa. Race is a delusion leveraged by grifters on all sides.
"Race doesn't exist"
"White people are evil and everything must be judged by race"
Pick one, for fuck's sake.
Don't be so binary, for fuck's sake! There are MANY ways! At LEAST a THIRD way, for sure! The third way is the death-worshitting way, ass is shown by Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer below:
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, will now SPEAK! HARKKK silently and RESPECTFULLY, all ye lowly heathens, as She Directs Death, and announces WHICH few of us MIGHT deserve to live, and WHO all deserves to DIE-DIE-DIE!!!
https://reason.com/2022/01/25/did-these-three-officers-willfully-deprive-george-floyd-of-his-constitutional-rights/?comments=true#comment-9323626
“You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”
-Quote MammaryBahnFuhrer the "Expert Christian Theologian"
So Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death... WHEN are You going to STOP stealing the IDs of Your victims, and then posting kiddie porn in THEIR names, and then blaming THEM?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
Who are you quoting with "White people are evil and everything must be judged by race" and why do I have to answer for what somebody else says? For fuck's sake.
Because you’re part of the prog hive mind.
Dumb@ss just used the term "Whiteness", a core belief of leftist clumps of cancer.
Race doesn't exist.
I agree: it's a fiction created by racists and bigots like you for propaganda purposes and for manipulating people.
Oh no that means I've been made. Gosh you're too smart for me.
Sorry to break this to you, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what a despicable little racist turd you are.
He’s a big fan of the free movement of rapists and pedophiles too.
It's quite possible that the Democrats believe in it and that they are trying to engage in a conspiracy which neither side has figured out will not work.
"Republicans have thrived since Ronald Reagan" ? Let's see ... Bill Clinton, scumbama, and Dementia Joe on the libturd side, along with slime mold like pelosi, schumer, and schiff; George Bush (see under "loser wimp beta cuck" in any dictionary) and Donald Trump, disowned by every Republican party hack and cast out into the outer swamp but a winner nonetheless. If that's thriving, I don't want to see dying off. And the whole thing about Mexicans voting Republican is a conservative wet dream, and even if it weren't, there's a difference between Mexicans here legally and illegal aliens. But I suppose they all look alike to 'reason'.
RONALD REAGAN WAS AN IMMIGRANT-LOVING COMMUNIST, WHEREAS MY BEST BUDDY VLADIMIR (AND TUCKER) IS A GENIUS!
OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA, YOU KNOW!
It's true that democrats want to consolidate power with demographic changes. These people send ballot harvesters to Korean nursing homes to harass residents there. If you think they have no ulterior motive in flooding the nation with migrants, there are bridges to be sold.
Look at the state of CA now - Its economy reaped front end rewards of immigration in exchange for future pains thanks to a shifting demographics that threw the balance of power dramatically to the radical left. Now the state is freakishly expensive, overran with homeless people and rank bottom in economic freedom.
The GOP's small gains with Latino men has more to do with the left taking things a TAD too far and Trump's economic populism. Rest assured, continued immigration ensures a socialist future.
I can grant that Tucker is holding onto some outdated notions of immigrants as welfare queens. But as an immigrant myself, I can attest that non citizens will find ways to get benefits. How much of the PPP money went to foreigners and scammers? Immigrants getting less welfare than "natives" is another way of saying they take second place to certain blacks and low income whites who were mired in poverty for decades.
Immigration is an ETERNAL issue in America. It's what everyone hears ALL. THE. TIME. At a certain point, even existing immigrants tire of the constant lecturing on this issue.
A Y-U-G-E THANK YOU TO ALL OF MY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN CULTISTS HERE WHO CONTINUE TO SUCCESSFULLY HIJACK ALL OF REASON'S COMMENTS SECTIONS. GENUINE LIBERTARIANISM THAT ADHERES TO PHILOSOPHICAL CONSISTENCY MUST BE DESTROYED! AND MY BUDDIES VLAD AND TUCKER ARE GENIUSES!
Wow, this sock is even worse than Ali. Congratulations.
EXCUSE ME, "DESIGNATE," BUT YOU SOUND LIKE A "FAKE NEWS," COMMIE-LOVING TYPE TO ME. AND WHAT ON EARTH IS A "SOCK?" I'M NOT A "SOCK;" I'M AN ORANGE-DYED, VERY GOOD-LOOKING STABLE GENIUS WHO KNOWS A LOT OF BIG WORDS!
"Tucker Carlson's Great Replacement Theory Is Spectacularly Wrong"
Wow. Swing for the fences, I guess. This is a spectacular lie.
1. Not Ticker Carlson. Just because Carlson had a rant on his show, he can't claim this ashis idea. Democrats have been quite openly using this strategy for decades. They have not hidden the electoral strategy. Obama was actually president quite recently and he openly flauted immigration law and expressly stated his intentions to swell the ranks of minority voters as an electoral strategy. Biden has quadruped down on both counts.
2. Not a theory. They said that this was the goal. All of them. Everywhere. For at least 4 or 5 decades. And the left has been gleefully celebrating the demise of the white majority for the last several years. Open a paper sometime.
3. What is wrong? You are claiming Tucker has a theory that is wrong... When he describes an actual Democrat strategy... By arguing that the Democrat strategy is not infact paying off with 100% fealty of immigrant voters? That is the argument?
This is one of the weirdest arguments I have ever heard. The guy who points out an actual Democrat strategy is "spectacularly wrong" and touting a conspiracy theory because the descendants of immigrants don't vote for fiscal irresponsibility in a monolithic block?
Do words not have meanings where you guys come from?
Nick, I expect more intellectual honesty from you. Jumping on the "Tucker Carlson is too popular, we must destroy him" bandwagon is not a good look for the last real libertarian on staff...
Reason can’t do shit to Tucker. Mainly because he’s right, and he squarely documented the Democrat’s plans and actions.
Talk about gaslighting, this sizzling load of shit would be right at home on msnbc.
the author assumes that the illegals pouring in need to be citizens to vote. there is absolutely nothing stopping an illegal from registering to vote. in fact it happens every election cycle. ask yourself why the leftards want an open border? the answer is obvious: more obedient voters.
And by "spectacularly wrong" Gillespie means "completely correct, but we don't like him not celebrating it."
Short version: Of course it's happening..... but its GOOD for republicans!
Who cares if socialist-lite republicans win a few more percentage points of races across the country than 1986... show me where there is swaths of country with more restrictions forcing limited government, personal responsibility, and free markets from 1986 in places where the "replacement" is more evident? Who cares the party on the ticket, the country is far more socialist than ever, doesn't matter if republicans helped us get here. People who are generally comfortable breaking international law don't hold our Constitution in any special place.
What a joke Reason has become. Yes we know you like cheap slave labor and need to wrap it in some idiotic pseudo libertarian rant
"The great replacement theory is spectacularly wrong in asserting that the government is going to create millions of new citizens overnight. "
Wow, the lying started real early in the article
Yeah, the only reason it's not happening overnight is that it just isn't politically or institutionally possible to do it that fast. If would be overnight if the means were available.
WE DON'T NEED ANY DIVERSITY AT ALL IN THE UNITED STATES. ALL WE NEED, MY DEAR, BELOVED CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN WORSHIPERS HERE, ARE "OUR" PEOPLE--PURE NON-JEWISH WHITE CHRISTIANS--TO MAKE THE U.S. GREAT AGAIN! OH, AND WE ALSO NEED FRIENDS LIKE MY BEST BUDDY VLAD, TARIFFS AND TRADE PROTECTIONISM!
AND MORE DEFENSE WASTE....I MEAN, SPENDING! WE NEED MORE NUKES TO BLOW UP CALIFORNIA AND MEXICO!
LEST IT IS FORGOTTEN, MY DEARLY BELOVED CULTISTS, THE ELECTION WAS Y-U-G-E-L-Y RIGGED! IN FACT, I WON 99.9 PERCENT OF THE VOTE! YOU CAN TRUST ME, BECAUSE I'M A Y-U-G-E-L-Y SANE, RATIONAL, VERY STABLE (AND VERY GOOD-LOOKING) GENIUS WHO KNOWS A LOT OF Y-U-G-E WORDS!
To be fair, Tucker isn't completely wrong.
If you have no borders what-so-ever, and require no buy-in from new comers, the new population will overwhelmingly support the Dems (or maybe Greens if they manage to end up living in a whiter part of the country). There are people on the left who have made no secret that that is what they want.
But once you start putting in some barriers to entry, and require people to enter "the right way", that would probably filter out a larger percentage of the left leaning people (at least on fiscal issues). You'd end up with more conservatives, moderates, and some libertarian voters thrown into the mix; ie: something closer resembling the US voting public at large.
Where Tucker and his ilk loses me, if you let a middle class Hispanic in who would vote 60% of the time for the GOP candidate, he thinks that that makes you a RINO.
I'm not overly concerned about legal immigration but I am concerned about illegal immigration. We have been 'screwing the pooch' for decades by allowing too many people in and not requiring them to become legal citizens as well as adapting to American culture and laws. We need to know who it is that wants to come here to be sure that they are not a threat to any and all legal citizens. Frankly there should be a probationary period of several years after grating conditional citizenship so if commit a crime egregious enough you can be swiftly deported along with any family member who wishes to no longer stay. Further, we really need to modernize our immigration laws and well as how we protect our borders. Having no border at all is simply insane and an insult to ever legal citizen in the nation.
Commenting on the facts of demographic changes is not the same thing as hatching a conspiracy to impact them. Telling one part of the population that there is a conspiracy to "replace" them is - absent proof - racist bullshit meant to impact the changes and bot alarm and activate that group to oppose others. But of course we've been doing this since the late 19th century at least and once spit on sub humans from Ireland and Italy are now part of America - indeed, even white America - and without the feared over running and subjugation of the older anglo population.
Democrats have to replace their voters who are leaving them in droves. They’re destroying the country, so I’m a shrill effort to cling to power, they’re bringing in a mass wave of illegals.
Sure Sarcasmic, that's why the GOP has won only one popular vote for President since 1992 and why their Senate "majorities" have not represented a majority of American voters since 1996 when they did by .1%.
Faggot, your party is losing key demographics in droves. You might be stupid enough to not see that, but the people the DNC has doing their polling do, and they’re worried. As they should be.
THE JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nor the negroes or taco beaners
EXACTLY, "NO SHARIA!" YOU'RE MY KIND OF GUY, AND DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR ME IN 2024!
This article is pure garbage, intentionally tying correlations and results to errant premises. "Immigrants" receive less welfare? Sure, maybe legal immigrants, especially since the process is expensive and therefore relatively restrictive to foreigners with material means or marketable skills. Except for refugees, we don't allow slobs to immigrate legally. Illegal immigrant benefits, however, can't even be accurately measured because much of their fed/state BILLIONS in handouts are laundered through 501Cs. Millions of illegals also share from relatively small list of fraudulent SSNs, so they literally can't qualify directly for most welfare benefits because they're ILLEGAL! Don't even get me started about the free healthcare they receive by flooding ERs for runny noses. Hospitals don't dare flag them as illegal, so that can't possibly make it into Gillespie's crap stats either. Oh, and let's not forget that illegals don't carry car insurance, again, because they can't...because they're ILLEGAL. Who pays for that inequity? Do you have even a high school understanding of basic economics, Gillespie? Seriously, do you?
Replacement theory or not check the demographics of California from 1970 until now. Enough to change the vote of the people who were here first. You know the ones that built everything.