The Right To Bear Arms Is Still a Check on Tyranny
Ukrainians have taken to the streets with arms to defend their country and their freedom.
HD DownloadUkrainians have taken to the streets with arms to defend their country and their freedom. They've prepared Molotov cocktails as makeshift bombs.
The threat of tyranny isn't only present in the third world. In the United States, critics of the Second Amendment have claimed that in modern warfare, small-time weapons are useless as a check on the power of standing armies.
"Well, the tree of liberty has not been watered with the blood of patriots," President Joe Biden said in remarks delivered at the White House on June 23, 2021. "What's happened is that there have never been, if you want to, think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons."
But now Biden is sending small arms to "Ukraine's front-line defenders," and it turns out that weapons of all sorts can help fight off even a nuclear power.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy tweeted he'll give weapons "to anyone who wants to defend the country." Ukraine is the only European nation where firearms are not regulated by statute. Even in peacetime, Ukrainians were allowed to carry non–fully automatic rifles and shotguns as long as they were stored when not in use.
"And folks, ban assault weapons with high-capacity magazines that hold up to a hundred rounds," Biden said at his 2022 State of the Union address. "You think the deer are wearing Kevlar vests?"
No, but unfortunately, hunting isn't the only purpose of a gun. The horrific war in Ukraine reminds us that the right to bear arms is still a check on tyranny.
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very bad in this war
mark of a patholigical liar- reduction to absurdity:
“Biden said at his 2022 State of the Union address. “You think the deer are wearing Kevlar vests?”
Yup Joe Biden
Spraking of lies, AP lying about nuke plant damage in Ukraine.
External fire is not going to cause a chernobyl meltdown.
Fly a fully loaded jetliner into a nuke reactor containment and itll bounce off.
Chernobyl was caused by Russian nuke engineers being STUPID enough to push control rods in sideways. They stuck. No moderation. Gross incompetence.
AP are also lying about C being the worst disaster.
Fire DU tank shells at it, however, and they’ll punch straight through. By the way, you’re also wrong about the external fire risk. While it shouldn’t cause a meltdown, it could, in combination with other failures or damage push the moderation mechanisms beyond their ability to cope.
So an external fire in combination with, for example, killing all the people who know how to safely run that particular plant might be a bad idea. Shooting randomly into the mechanisms is another bad idea. And all of that on top of the fact that it’s not the most failsafe design for a plant in the first place.
The Associated Press may be exaggerating (they are press after all) but that’s a big step different from outright lying.
You know, without having fully read this thread, there are things civilians can do even against strategic nuke-armed fighter planes.
In WWII, Aluminum foil confetti was use to create interference with RADAR. Perhaps Ukrainians could have a drive for a Pee-Wee Herman foil ball, gather up their shredders and high-speed fans and have a little party for their uninvited guests! Maybe re-rig automobile RADAR detectors and scrablers to a different purpose with parabolic antennae.
Also, it’s a serious U.S. Federal offense to aim LASER pointers at airlines and create RF interference with aircraft. Who knows what kitty’s favorite distraction might do to fighter planes? Anybody know?
And since Ukrainians throughout this War have been so good at sarcasm and insults, what if they used air-visible ugly libels and slanders written luminous paint over vital infrastructure for Russian supply lines or command posts? Hmmm….
And what if Ukraine had a drone club that could use drones to carry RF interference scramblers on Putineers’ military frequencies, or could drop Aluminum foil confetti and leaflets of georgeous Russian women at Red Square over Putin’s troops, or even carry hand grenades that could explode in mid-air?
With drones that jam Putineers’ communications and RADAR, and at a size so small, the Putineer pilots would be literally flying blind and not know what hit them.
The drones could do nice formation work, I’m sure, but would be an even worse threat if each drone was independently owned and operated and just all flew in a random swarm at low altitude!
It wouldn’t even matter if the drones crashed into each other as long as they rained deadly shrapnel and sexy leaflets on Putineers below. Putin’s fighter pilots might even mistake the explosions for enemy fire and then shoot down other Putineers with “friendly fire.”
If Putineer fighter pilots and heliocopter pilots encountered these radio-jamming, RADAR-jamming, psy-war-waging, self-destroying drones, they would have to get out of the drones’element by either flying above the drones and risk getting caught by Ukraine RADAR and fighter plane fire, finding a way to jam the drones all at once (almost impossible if they are each using their own frequency or controlled by Spread-Spectrum Transmission smartphones or satellite phones,) or fly back home to Russia in retreat!
Any way it goes, Putin’s Top Gunners may have minds writing checks that their bodies can’t cash against these simple electronic jammer-equipped, demoralizing, weaponized drones!
And just think: I stay up nights thinking up things like this!
One thing to rememer about fighter planes and bombers: No matter how much they’ve changed modern warfare, 32 feet per second is still 32 feet per second. Keep them from landing and they’ll run out of fuel and fall from the skies! One sure wayto do that is so knock out the runway lights of the airstrip and the generator that powers them.
And the thing to remember about any machine is that it has five basic components: The Energy Source/Fuel, the Switch/Starter/Controls, the Engine/Motor, the Drive, and the Application towards which the machine works. Disrupt and tinker with, take apart, and ruin these, and the machine no longer works.
With anything that runs off of a mechanical engine, it requires a spark, fuel, and oxygen in just the right timing and measure. If anything interferes with these, the engine is dead.
Anything that runs off of electricity requires sufficient Voltage, Amperage, and Wattage and a complete, uncrossed circuit. If the Voltage runs down, the Amperage encounters too much resistance or conversely blows a fuse, the Wattage isn’t sufficient, and the circuit is broken or shorted, the device is dead.
Be careful, Watch your Six, and otherwise, have fun with all this, fellow freedom-fighters everywhere! 😉
Speaking of the first and second amendments:
Why was it so vital and necessary for the combined monolithic apparatus of government institutions, corporations, and NGOs, to brute force censor everyone while decimating the careers and reputations of the dissenters? Here is why:
The First Amendment is prime directive order 1 because it is the most important freedom we have for the same reason it is the first thing an adversary subverts, disrupts, and destroys during a crime, a war, or a takeover
This is and has been occurring all across the globe since the minute this COVID-19 fraud was propagated to every corner of the earth.
The Second Amendment is second because it is the remedy for anyone trying to subvert the First.
The fog of this war is purposefully thick – a massive labyrinth filled with wrong turns, dead ends, and paths to nowhere. Here is how they are doing this.
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
-Ronald Reagan
https://tritorch.comt/takeover
Which COVID fraud exactly?
This one?
https://tritorch.com/PCRFraud
The COVID fraud whereby we whipped 350 million people into a panicked frenzy and put them on house arrest for 3 years because of a mild respiratory virus less severe than a bad seasonal flu, you credulous bootlicking faggot cunt. That fraud.
^
Not here.
#RedStateLife
BINGO !
But – 10 points for enabling Trolls
If you had a good case you wouldn’t need to lie about it, now would you?
^THIS
And it isn’t just covid this is true of…
The one where healthy 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, and 70 year old’s had to shelter in place, fear the arrival of their family, stop working, shut down their businesses, wear a cloth face mask, stand 6 feet away from any one else, not gather in groups?
The demonizing of Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin all of which are known to be effective in treating corona visus illnesses such as SAR Cov1 and MERS?
The incessant push to intubate people with the Wuhan Flu when it is known that intubation leads to death 90% of the time?
Maybe the fraud that was the natural origin of the SARS-Cov2
chimera? It was 100% made in the lab to infect humans better than any other species. ACE2 and Furin Cleavage site, which no bat virus would ever have.
The records of that “research” were supposedly destroyed, as was the actual “wet market”, which by a million to one coincidence sits meters away from a Chinese virology lab that was doing research on exactly the same types of bat corona viruses like SARS-Cov2, so that the proof could never be laid at the feet of the animals who made this, including Fauci, Dascak, Gates, Bourla, Bancel, Schwab, and numerous others frauds and war crimes.
Holy shit. You need anti-psychotic meds. Like yesterday.
Would you like to explain how the Illuminati, George Soros, and the secret Jewish cabal that runs the world fits in as well?
We always hear it getting drilled into us to trust “the science”. But why should we, when the elites running the NGOs, the politicians, and even the scientists themselves do not? How do we know this? Because they keep changing “the science”:
The elites, politicians, and scientists can’t play by their own rules and keep moving the goalposts of this charade pandemic. So far they’ve banned Ivermectin and HCQ which have been on the WHO’s list of essential medicines for decades.
And have changed the definitions of:
Pandemic: no longer requires mass sickness and death. Disease merely needs to be widespread.
Herd Immunity: now only includes those vaccinated—They removed ‘natural immunity’ altogether. (They reverted back to include natural immunity after an outcry from the medical community.)
Vaccine: no longer grants immunity from disease. Now merely gives ‘protection’.
And now they just made the term ‘vaccinated’ meaningless.
From the Washington comPost: “You’re not fully vaccinated. You never will be.”
So to all of you doctors, politicians, scientists, and talking media heads demanding that we trust “the science” while you constantly change it to fit your narrative – my only reply to you is: You first.
But it gets worse:
In January of 2020 – just as COVID was reaching the national stage – France inexplicably labeled HCQ a poisonous substance and banned it. Up until that point in France, HCQ had been an over the counter drug – as easy to get as Tylenol in America – for many years.
Ivermectin is vouched for by a large number of doctors with first hand experience to be both safe and extraordinarily effective in treating COVID-19. It is also very cheap.
The entire edifice of authority from the media, to the pharmaceutical industry, to the government, to the NGOs, want to kill and bury Ivermectin as deep as possible under mountains of propaganda as a verifiable effective therapeutic. And they are willing to destroy the reputations and livelihoods of anyone who gets in their way to achieve that.
This despite the fact that it’s been on the WHO’s Essential Medicines List for decades.
If there is a treatment for a disease the FDA cannot grant an EUA for a competing treatment, in COVID’s case, the vaccine. Put on your detective shoes and think critically about this for a minute.
Follow the money.
Full comment with references inline here:
https://tritorch.com/memoryhole
Kudos to you for doubling down on the crazy.
Hell, just the your HCQ and Ivermectin delusions were good for a chuckle.
Previously over the counter, HCQ was suddenly and inexplicably re-branded as a poison in January of 2020:
http://tritorch.com/degradation/HCQBannedInFranceAsPoison.png
You are quite gullible. Hope you’re not a detective, prosecutor, or a judge–you couldn’t solve a crime if your nose were nailed to it, Nelson. Always remember, glue is for sticking things together, not eating or sniffing, mmmkay?
Why would I care where HCQ and ivermectin are sold in France. Even of what you are saying is true, which is highly questionable.
They don’t have any effect on Covid. They never have. Every credible study has found the same thing: absolutely no impact.
But don’t worry. There are plenty of fools out there who will fall for your conspiratorial ramblings and visit your conspiracy site.
For the sake of the audience, look here:
http://tritorch.com/degradation/%21IvermectinHCQWereOnWHOsEssentialMedicinesListForDecades.png
At the top you will see where France labeled HQC as a poison in Jan of 2020
Underneath you will see studies showing HCQ works for viruses which has been known for a long time.
To your other point Nelson:
“I am a “conspiracy theorist”. I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don’t think so, then you are what is called “an idiot”. If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called “a coward”.
-David Cullum
The second amendment is the most important – without it you have no other rights.
Go tell that to the Founding Fathers. I’m sure Ben and Tom will love to be taken to school by you.
Honestly, I’d love to be able to give them 245 years worth of bug reports on the Constitution. And I bet they’d even be smart enough to listen to them.
The problem isn’t with the constitution. It’s with the citizens who fail to enforce it.
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At the close of the Constitutional Convention on September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin left the hall in Philadelphia, he was asked, “What kind of government have you given us, Dr. Franklin?” He replied: “A republic, if you can keep it.”
It is, was, and will always be our job to keep the government in check. If we do not, then we will end up back at square one and become slaves once again. No one is going to come to our rescue… except ourselves.
So with that in mind, if in coming here you’ve never heard of the following:
Asset Forfeiture, NSLs, ALEC, AIPAC, TPP
FISA Courts, Congressional Insider Trading
Judicial Standing, Deferred Prosecution
Parallel Construction, Stingray Devices
EO 12333, XKeyscore, COINTELPRO
Pentagon Papers, Gary Webb
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Northwoods
Operation Paperclip
Project Monarch
FASAB 56
MKUltra
Or worse, you’ve heard of them but can’t be bothered to care, then like it or not, you are one reason among many that we are on a one-way flight straight to Hell. To the corporations and their puppet politicians, your ignorance and apathy are worth more than all the slaves in China. Because it is your indifference that enables these bottom feeding cockroaches to thrive in the dark and rob you of your wealth and liberty.
This is not political, it’s universal. Both of the puppet parties you think you get to choose from every two years are completely infected by blanket webs of corruption and have long ago mortgaged their allegiance to their corporate masters. And what these leeches need more than anything to survive and thrive is a stupid, apathetic populace with red tags on their ears who will lap at their feet and believe every lie they feed them, or worse, are too busy staring at their smart phones to even care that they’re being lied to.
The natural state of humanity is to slide into slavery and conflict. Our American bulwark against that decay was built by the blood, sweat, tears, hard work, and personal sacrifice of countless millions. These people gave everything to build the pillars of justice that protect and sustain you, and it is your responsibility to give something back and sacrifice a little in order to maintain those pillars and pass them on to the next generation. Anything less is a betrayal to those who broke their back to build the structure you are now standing on. So put down your Facebook and start paying attention to the things going on around you before that structure crumbles to nothing beneath your feet and you become a slave once again.
Remember, a nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves and you get more of what you tolerate. So turn off your Goddamn TV, turn on your mind, and get out there and stop tolerating it before you wake up one morning robbed of your remaining liberty and you no longer have a choice.
Someone far wiser than I once pointed out that: ‘Power without oversight is the fastest route out of a democracy’. Your responsibility then, is to render that oversight.
Joseph de Maistre said: ‘Every citizenry has the government they deserve…’
We are the ones we’ve been waiting for…
https://tritorch.com/illFaresTheLand
“The problem isn’t with the constitution. It’s with the citizens who fail to enforce it.”
Lie . Reframing.
Fault ONLY lies with Citizens elected to serve who then try and trash theConstituton.
Yeah no, without the citizens keeping a check on power you get where we are. The founding father’s knew this as shown by Franklin’s words.
Go read the constitution, it’ll take five minutes.
“if a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be,”
-Thomas Jefferson
Add wikileaks Vault_7 to your list
Not a bad idea, thanks. Since you brought up Wikileaks:
http://tritorch.com/podesta1
http://tritorch.com/podesta2
Amazing how overlooked its been, especially since we were seeing the programs it revealed at work at the exact same fucking time it was released.
I expect the msm to pretend it doesn’t exist, but nobody brings it up.
The entire basis for “Russia hacking the 2016 election” was alleged evidence of exactly the nature Vault_7 revealed the CIA had learned how to fake…
I agree. Everyone seems to have their eyes wide shut when it comes to politics. It’s quite disturbing, really.
This may interest you as to why (very short read):
https://tritorch.com/folly
They already knew them. Franklin even knew that Republics are doomed to failure for the same reason, over and over and over – HUMAN NATURE.
We all want something for nothing. So vote for the guy who promises to steal from some and give to you.
You do know that the order of the BOR is not listed in order of importance, right?
The are in the order in which the constitution was written which would put them in order of what the founding fathers found most urgent to cover.
You’re likely going to disagree that the order matters in that event, and that is cool.
Was barely true before we had standing armies.
inb4 “b-b-but the goat fuckers in Afghanistan repelled the world’s mightiest military for 20 years!”
True, but when a nation state collapses it does things to its own people that it wouldn’t dare do to enemy combatants in a time of war. Nukes will fly. Probably under false flags. But make absolutely no mistake about it, your government would gleefully drop nuclear ordinance on your ass the very second it got the opportunity. All they need is an excuse, and they’re working overtime trying to concoct one.
I could be talked into nuking San Fran.
Portland is, obviously, a no brainer
Wash DC – PLEASE!
I’d like to keep the monuments intact.
There are other ways.
Neutron bomb perhaps?
And?
I’d rather force them to nuke me – at least they’ll have to work for it.
Sadaam Hussein did.
Hedropped chem weapons on Iran and his own people.
Democrats were OK with that.They hated Bush for stopping him.
Biden said at his 2022 State of the Union address. “You think the deer are wearing Kevlar vests?”
I’ve been hearing that dumbass joke for decades. It made no sense when it was new, and it makes no sense now. Why can’t Joe’s speechwriters come up with something new? Even better, something that isn’t abysmally stupid?
For Basement Bunker Biden, the benefit is that it only has one two syllable word.
Deer in Compton wear Kevlar.
They wear pants that come up to their thighs.
Old and abysmally stupid is Joe Biden’s idiom.
Ironically, even if the deer were wearing Kevlar it wouldn’t matter. Any hunting cartridge good for taking down a deer would punch right through Kevlar. You wouldn’t need an “assault weapon” to handle deer in Kevlar.
Of course 2A isn’t about deer at all, I’m always amused when people who know nothing about guns make analogies like that.
Ironically, even if the deer were wearing Kevlar it wouldn’t matter. Any hunting cartridge good for taking down a deer would punch right through Kevlar. You wouldn’t need an “assault weapon” to handle deer in Kevlar.
The other direction too. Feel free to go take down a moose, bison, or grizzly that’s not wearing Kevlar either with a break or bolt action 9×19 or even .44 magnum. Good luck!
I wouldn’t try to take down a moose, bison, or grizzly with a semi-auto “assault weapon”, either. Both the AR-15 and the AK-47 use cartridges that are considerably lower in energy than the 30-06, .303, Mosin-Nagant, 12-gauge buckshot or slug, and everything else that I’ve ever seen used to hunt white-tail deer, let alone any bigger creature.
Particularly since the type of round fired by the rifle has precisely fuck all to do with how many rounds it can hold at one time. See also Anzio Ironworks single shot 20mm model.
That will turn a deer into chum.
Using this ammunition we guarantee 1 MOA groups out to 600 yards with our bolt action rifle with the match chambered barrel.
So do you think they started at 100 and walked it out to 600 before the 1 MOA accuracy fell apart or do you think they had to start at 600 to get an accurate measurement of 1 MOA with a 0.75 MOA round? Either way, suck it Howa/Kimber/Tikka/Sako/Sig.
Fuck dumb ass career parasite demented drooling POS Joe Biden. And his ho.
I need a Kevlar vest for when TSHTF and we have to stand up to a tyrannical and unconstitutional government in the well-regulated militia I plan on joining in such a circumstance.
“Forgot the preamble?” It’s my favorite part of the 2A.
It is a joke intentionally designed to appeal to the morons who know nothing about guns.
Your typical hunting round is far more lethal than an AR-15 round ON PURPOSE. Your typical AR-15 fires a NATO round that is intentionally less lethal as it is considered less inhumane in wartime. However deer hunting rifles, like the 30-06 are intentionally meant to kill an animal the size of a horse with a single shot, as that is also considered the most humane thing.
Deer Hunting rifles are almost always more powerful.
They think if a design is older it must be less dangerous.
I had a girlfriend who was frightened by semi auto pistols but not revolvers. It’s weird how people think sometimes.
“No, but unfortunately, hunting isn’t the only purpose of a gun. The horrific war in Ukraine reminds us that the right to bear arms is still a check on tyranny.”
But what if the gun is black and scary looking?
AK with wood stock = plinking rifle.
AK with black stock = evil machine of death.
Make sense to me…
With a fore grip it becomes a nuclear warhead.
.Wery wery super scary.
99 Luftbaloons
And what did the chick in the picture isn’t holding the rifle properly?
My guess is that she is learning. At the end of the video was a segment showing Ukrainian women getting instructions on shooting AK type firearms. Her form isn’t really bad, which is why I think that she was in that class. She just hasn’t shot guns very much, and is not yet comfortable with the whole process.
I thought it was ironically funny that when Ukraine citizens went to buy weapons for personal defense, the very first model they ran out of over there was the AR-15.
You mean when they knew they were going to war against an invading army? Yeah, I would want an AR-15 if I was going to war.
“What’s happened is that there have never been, if you want to, think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.”
The Taliban must have had one hell of an air force.
They do now.
Ha!
Concern troll Grieger says simple people armed with AKs cannot defeat a trained army. They would be simply throwing their lives away, ecouraged with false hope by bad actors (in this case local Mullahs). So this whole Taliban taking over the well trained and equiped Afhgan National Army is fake news.
>>Molotov cocktails
is there a Dana Perino way to say this so I know I’m doing it right?
Emily Compagno is hotter.
sure, but I’m not a Raiders fan. and Shannon Bream wins any news-lady contest and I don’t even like blondes.
Especially in that swimsuit during her Miss America days.
The Right To Bear Arms Is Still a Check on Tyranny
Which is why many politicians want to ban guns. Despite the rhetoric, they could care less about street crime.
I don’t think they want to ban guns as much as they want to campaign on banning guns. You give politicians too much credit.
Also, they *couldn’t* care less about street crime.
This remains to be seen. As long as Putin is aiming only at military targets and not at insurgents it may work. But what happens when he targets insurgents? We know from places like Syria that your 2nd amendment weapons are not all that helpful in the face of a regime that does not care about collateral death.
Do you shoot the tank while rolling, or wait and shoot the operator when he’s taking a leak?
Do the leaders dare linger by windows?
shower it with Cocktails until the ammo explodes or it cooks the occupants, or both.
PS add a few tablespoons of water. that accelerates the reactions
You’re information is several days out of date. He’s already stopped limiting himself to military targets and is shelling and dropping cluster bombs on civilian areas and civilians. He started doing that on day 2 (or possibly day 3, given the time difference).
“Nobody needs more than ten bullets!”
/Bureaucrat surrounded by taxpayer funded security armed with machine guns
They’re right, bolt action is much more accurate.
slide gas tube on AR back after removing pin.
Single shot.
Is it just me or is there an amazingly small amount of combat video coming out of Ukraine via the media?
We could round up some of those BLM “reporters” and parachute them in to give us the cis-male scoop.
There’s been some use of thermobaric weapons, but the Russian military onslaught has been mostly peaceful…
Do we go with Kherson avtonomnyy zona or the cyrillic (which it seems, suspiciously, *narrows gaze* Reason won’t let me post)?
We’ll have to wait to see what Москва’s next move is after Харків.
That wins you The Internet For The Day! 🙂
It’s not just you
There’s a very weird disconnect here. And I’m not trying to craft my own narrative, I’m literally trying to understand the narrative that’s currently going. Example, out of my local newspaper today:
As Russian forces pound Ukraine’s cities, the sentiments might not be surprising. Their source is — they come from rich Russians, including billionaires close to the Kremlin.
Russian forces “pounding Ukraine’s cities”.
Maybe I have a little deeper connection to it because my father fought in WWII, but when we say “forces pounding cities”, that conjures up particular imagery, imagery that does NOT seem to be coming out of the MSM.
If Russian forces were “pounding” even one city, I’d expect to see a fair amount of widespread devastation, rubble in the streets, house-to-house fighting.
There was a time when journalists would risk their lives to get film or video of this stuff. You had journalists with 8mm cameras filming (the literal film) combat and scenes of devastation, that film surviving heat, cold, moisture– and it would be carted across a country, flown somewhere to be processed, then shown in movie theaters in America on a daily basis.
And nothing I’m saying should be construed as being “pro Putin” or suggesting that the Ukraine invasion “isn’t happening”. I believe it is, but as best I can tell, it seems to be more of a political maneuver than a military one. Roll some tanks in. Park them. Target some very specific facilities etc. I would believe that the Russian army would in fact have the capability to level Харків using purely conventional weapons. So I’m trying to figure out what Putin’s endgame is here. Or maybe there wasn’t one.
There’s a very weird disconnect here. And I’m not trying to craft my own narrative, I’m literally trying to understand the narrative that’s currently going.
I pointed this out yesterday when Ken showed video of clusterbombing in Ukraine. Not only did the video reveal nothing about what had actually been bombed, it led with a few minutes of a kid who’d been shot while fleeing the Ukraine with his family. Like 3 full scenes of 1-2 min. each and in each one, more than half the medical staff are standing around staring at their phones. Which, having spent time in a hospital seemed exceptionally… normal. Nothing like the crying doctors we got from breakrooms begging for respirators. Nothing like a hollywood depiction of a hospital in a war zone. Not even like a slow episode of M.A.S.H. The happy, sunny hospital advertisements on TV here in the states contain more action and drama. The puzzling part, the end of the scenes, we get assured that all the injured refugees are being treated downstairs, in the basement, for their safety. It was like a terribly shoe-horned Hollywood movie script where the hero leaves in the early part of the show, boring protagonists amble around for 3/4 of the plot, the hero comes back and says, “Sorry I was busy doing some really interesting shit off screen that you didn’t get to see.” and proceeds to save the day.
There are definitely bombs and missiles exploding, and yes innocent people dying, but the intensity and scale seems to be being oversold- which perhaps why the rhetoric has to be so overwrought, to compensate for the relative lack of visuals.
We live in the most connected, documented time in human history. FoxNews and other networks have correspondents and camera crews on the ground. Yet you’re not the first, or only, person to notice we’re not getting much video out of it. The same 3 or 4 explosions are played over and over and over again. Media, in lockstep and without dissent, has been selling an unusually certain and specific story. It appears to me that they’re having trouble finding enough material to fill that story, so they’re replaying what they have and trying to use rhetoric to fill time.
But you know the first rule of good filmmaking: show, don’t tell.
The are not firing 10,000+ rounds of heavy cannon fire. Seems to.be various rockets. Small payloads.
Simple.
Look at the US police state expansion.
Soviet esque
They pretend they are special ops.
Putins kids sent on a special operation.
Hes sent POLICE… not military.
They got slaughtered.
Or gave up.
His endgame is to not have a military alliance which he views as a competitor next a large area of his border. He doesn’t trust the west after pushing Nato east, Kosovo, Libya, and our machinations in Georgia nd Ukraine. Now as an American I don’t support a sovereign country being invaded but caution here given how much we have paved the road for this thug might be our best interest.
I’m guessing Eastern Ukraine becomes a puppet state and Western an independent but neutral state. It is a tragedy for sure..30 years the making
I think it’s a lot more likely that they conquer the whole country and install a puppet. I also think there will be a vigorous insurgency. Getting weapons and intel to a country that borders Poland will be no problem.
An unexpected wrinkle for the Russians is Zelensky. He has, rightfully, become a hero and a symbol for Ukraine. As well as an example of courage in the face of adversity and tyranny. At this point it might be worse for Russia if they kill him and make him a martyr.
I feel bad for Putin. Being a murderous dictator is hard.
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/19/1081987356/harris-meets-with-zelensky-in-munich
2/19/22
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: If Russia further invades your country, as I mentioned earlier today, we will impose swift and severe economic sanctions.
[This is several days prior to invasion. She is communicating that the US considers Crimea invaded, occupied territory, and is possibly alleging inclusion among Ukrainian separatists in Donbass.]
Was trying to find the quote from the Munich conference where she said something along the lines approval for Zelensky’s desire to join NATO, which is obviously not saying she approved including Ukraine in NATO, but it’s certainly “leaving the door open”.
Also there are fixed camera shots of things like the shelling (is ot still shelling if it’s a cruise missile?) of government buildings, the TV tower they tried.to take out the other day, and other public/CCTV videos. The war correspondents seem to be just doing after-action reporting, albiet soon after the action.
As the Mom on the Encyclopedia Britannica commercial put it: “Look it up, Dear.”
https://youtu.be/E9Y2lE67ufg
No, seriously, look it up here:
Russo-Ukrainian War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
3393 civilians killed and 7000-9000 wounded in as few days as this has been going on, and that’s just what’s confirmed, and I doubt the Russians are bringing civilians along for the ride, so the civilian dead and injured have to be Ukrainians.
Vlad and the Putineers better have good suits to wear for the war crimes trial. Maybe they could have it next to the courtroom for Emperor Xi & Minions.
zero. And everyone has cameras.
There’s a lot of video from immediately after the combat has stopped. I remember one in particular where there was a truck still burning and a dead Russian soldier as well as a bunch of unexploded grenades from a shattered munitions chest. I think the reporter almost shit himself when he realized that what he thought was debris spread around him was actually grenades.
I haven’t seen much from near/inside any firefights.
Shoot, this posted in the wrong place. Repost:
Also there are fixed camera shots of things like the shelling (is ot still shelling if it’s a cruise missile?) of government buildings, the TV tower they tried.to take out the other day, and other public/CCTV videos. The war correspondents seem to be just doing after-action reporting, albiet soon after the action.
Not any more. As of a few days ago, anyone who wants a gun can have one. And a LOT of people want one.
Yes, the Ukrainian government now has made guns available to fight an external enemy.
That is not “private gun ownership as a check on tyranny”, that is simply war.
Any reading of the second amendment but the original is incoherent, dreamed up by arms dealers in NRA back rooms. Individuals do not have a right to start shooting government officials when they don’t like how things are going. The liberty being protected is that of states to defend themselves (in 18th century technological terms) from invasions (or slave revolts). Even if you interpret this as somehow relevant to the modern US, it requires organization (well-regulated militias) and purpose.
You don’t have a right to decide that the government is being tyrannical and start shooting people. I’m glad I could explain how basic law and order works.
No matter what government people do, you can’t fight back.
/tony
It’s the central credo of fascists/socialists like Tony: the state is always right, no matter what; citizens have to be obedient cogs in the machine.
“ You don’t have a right to decide that the government is being tyrannical and start shooting people. ”
Oh, I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about that.
note- such statements are never followed by ” because…” then a logical argument.
‘because’ the Declaration of Independence specifically mentioned abolishing such a goobermint and the lessons of the Revolution (a war where there just happened to be a lot of ‘shooting people’
There you go
How about:
You don’t have a right to decide that the government is being tyrannical and start using guns to remove it when the government starts murdering citizens by the millions.
Or, @daveca, are you saying that armed resistance against the Nazis or the Japanese was illegitimate? Because if that’s what you’re saying, you’re simply a fascist yourself.
You can start shooting government officials, and you can make whatever excuse you want for it. You just won’t go unpunished because of anything found in the 2nd Amendment.
True, Tony, there is a cost to fighting tyranny. For example, the people who fought Nazi tyranny were summarily executed by the Nazis as well. Under non-Nazi laws, however, they were legally innocent. They also had a moral right to fight the Nazis.
But, Tony, we are not surprised that you take the Nazi view on fighting tyranny.
Let me see if I’ve got this straight. Tony said ‘You don’t have a right to decide that the government is being tyrannical and start shooting people.” Which makes sense because that’s called murder and isn’t protected by the Second Amendment.
And for the radical notion that muder is wrong and isn’t protected by the Constitution, the accusation is … Nazi?
What?
Everyone has the right to rebel and overthrow a tyrannical government.
Our federal government is granted authority by the constitution. It is a contract. When that contract is broken by one element, the other element is no longer bound by it.
Rights are natural and inherent, government is artificial and external.
But all that really matters is who has the power to impose their will.
Yes, there’s a right to rebellion protected in the constitution- but that right will be ignored if the rebel loses.
So it is, so it has always been, and so it will be.
‘However, you do have a right to decide that the government is being tyrannical and start burning stuff down, while assaulting anyone you see with a gun!”
And then go to jail. Because that’s how the rule of law works.
Am I wrong in assuming on a libertarian site that people believe in the rule of law?
Having the right is not always synonymous with legal
I would say that “incoherent” describes your reading of the second amendment quite well.
Yeah, insisting that the “well regulated militia” part was put there intentionally is …
Yeah, can you explain a textual reading of the Constitutiin that openly ignores part of the text?
So the best way to understand a sentence is to ignore part of it? And that’s OK because …?
And what exactly is the “original Constitution”? The Articles of Confederation?
“Well-regulated” pertains to the militia, not the people.
I think that Tony very much believes that, that the average citizen does not have the right to determine when the government has gone too far, and defense, as protected by the 2nd Amdt, is necessary. And, that is true for individuals, but not collectively. But determining that point isn’t up to Tony, except in his individual role. It isn’t up to Noe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, of Chuck Schumer either. Or even Donald Trump. It’s determined by the number of people willing to risk their lives by joining in the Resistance.
Keep in mind our history, which those drafting the 2nd Amdt had just lived through, and played prominent parts in. For the decade running up to 1775, the number in the resistance grew slowly, as the British excesses increased. By then, there were numerous town militias around the Colonies, who were armed and drilled routinely. The British government tried to seize the armories (primarily cannon, shot and powder) in a raid launched in secret. The militias responded, came together, and chased the British soldiers and marines back to Boston. The die had been cast, and the revolution was on. Maybe, if they had enough other Colonists behind them. They did, and the rest is history. But initially, it has been estimated that they had maybe 1/4 of the populace behind them, 1/4 adamantly opposed, and 1/2 sitting on the fence. The leaders of the Revolution (Washington, the two Adams cousins, Jefferson, Franklin, etc) made clear that they knew the stakes, and expected to be hung if their Revolution failed. And that is what those who jump too quickly into armed resistance can expect today – arrest, conviction, and sentencing, under our criminal law.
The place where Biden is wrong is that inside our country, our military cannot hope to protect their supply lines, in the face of a popular armed rebellion. That is because they extend through the countryside, and cannot be protected by F-15s and nuclear weapons. The resistance would be much too diffused. Besides, the flyboys delivering those munitions, the tankers in their tanks, have families, and how do you protect them against revenge? Yes, our army can do that, but doesn’t have enough trigger pullers anymore to do much besides protect military installations and families. And the more civilians they kill, the more will at least tacitly support the rebels.
Will this ever happen? Hopefully not. But why is the left so adamant about disarming the general populace? Why did Biden try to scare us with F-15s and nuclear weapons? I think because they know that if the resistance ever goes hot, they will lose, and be strung up, as the colonial leaders who won the war, then wrote the 2nd Amdt, would have been if they had lost.
We saw such a citizen revolt on Jan. 6. You’re going to have to do better next time. The US is the most powerful artificial entity in the known universe. You’re better off just stealing elections.
And constitutional rights don’t go away just because someone thinks modern times make them irrelevant. There’s a process for that in a constitutional democracy, and you must follow it.
Good luck!
Personally, I would be completely OK with amending the 2A such that it explicitly protects the right of self defense, rather than just bearing arms.
Of course, anyone who wanted it to protect bearing arms for self defense would have felt no need to amend for about 250 years since they already had the right to bear arms. I assume, in the absence of the 2A, such an amendment would have been incredibly popular and passed by many congresses, and wasn’t purely because it would have been redundant.
Sneakily declaring constitutional rights void because they’re declared irrelevant (from a biased crowd: shocker) is the work of tyrant authoritarians.
but youd be a LYING manipulator.
The 2A doesnt apply to citizens
It applies to the Govt, forbidding them to infringe.
You gun grabbing Commies lovee that lie…
You already have a right to self-defense. People had one before the constitution was written. The debate here is not whether we have a right to self-defense, but whether we’re going to forever spew bullshit meant to dupe people into giving money to arms dealers.
Repeal the 2A.
Good luck!
The liberty being protected is that of states to defend themselves (in 18th century technological terms) from invasions (or slave revolts).
Mixing partial truth with a lie is like adding a drop of shit in a punchbowl, no matter the % you still have shit.
You don’t have a right to decide that the government is being tyrannical
More steaming Shit.
The Declaration of Independence (the ‘why’ of the U.S.) explicitly states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (..to secure these rights [life liberty etc.], Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed) it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
As was seen in the Revolution they were ‘shooting people’ and they either were the actual ‘legal’ goobermint, or were in support of it.
The internet is a hard place to put forth Bullshit, when facts are so easily available at the tap of a key.
So long as non-violent resistance is possible and long-term sufficient, violent resistance is not justified.t
https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1499495485559783428?t=zNSeAdl0o6qV86xYwzvD0A&s=19
March 2020: Lockdown to save grandma! Stay home, stay safe. This is more important than your paycheck.
March 2022: So what if energy prices skyrocket and you cant feed your family. Think about Ukraine!
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1499495900083015682?t=B62-Iq9iQVSmk5DIAnPx3g&s=19
Interesting arm patch on Ukraine’s national guardsman.
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The fascist faux-libertarian Trump brownshirts in these Reason comments sections believe they are threatened by the U.S. government and not fucking insane Putin. Fuck off Russian troll-farm slaves paid in worthless rubles, you’re starving now, so sad.
LOL
Everyone, please reread what the leftist said.
Try not to laugh at the “logic”
Putin is not insane..he is very rational. Listen to Scott Horton’s talk on Ukraine. He is doing exactly what he said. Woke Ivy League “experts” unlike say George Keenan, Daniel Moynahan and others warned us against pushing Nato east..even Bill Perry (Clinton’s Defsec) cautioned against this.
Tell me how spending trillions in the last 30 years has made the world safe for democracy? Killing hundreds of thousands in say Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Yemen didn’t accomplish much did it? Neo cons and Neolibs are traitors and should be deported to..Russia since so many of them seem to have come from there.
Russia will take at least Eastern Ukraine and put in a puppet govt..the West hopefully keeps its independence and then we have a new cold war. Saying this is not being a traitor. Cold warriors are not neocons for sure.
Putin is rational…and evil…hence, morally culpable for his atocities in Ukraine.
*Smartphone drop!*
What you just said makes no sense.
And the Ukrainians are handing out fully automatic weapons: Something we should emulate.
obama Biden did.
Gunrunner.
GIMMESOME!
This “guy”…
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1499447156800999427?t=oUQwQPfgbvJifPD15CGldQ&s=19
If you’re a) devoted to cutting off Russia’s oil revenues and b) worried about inflation and spiking oil prices, this is one possible solution…
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Contra- diction:
Definition.
Russia saying they dont want to be part of the Wests Global Economy.
Russia crying about being Cancelled from the WestsGlobal Economy.
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Russia crying about the Wests economic sanctions….
Being carried out by EUROPE.
Signs of pathological LIARS
Yup Vlad.
When citizens are armed but afraid to use it. Tyranny has prevailed.
Tyranny is not measured in blood shed. Resistance to Tyranny is.
Just listened to Scott Horton’s talk on Ukraine…it shows the absolute stupidity the US foreign policy “elites” blew the decades of hard work to contain communism and avoid a nuclear war. This obsession with Russia and the Middle East is very curious, isn’t it? Putin invaded a soverign country but we helped pave the road with idiotic policies and these idiots who bankrupted and deindustrialized the country to make the world safe for “democracy”, “globalism”, and hedge funds (and elites) are back as experts on news shows..why?
I noticed the change in the type of people running our foreign policy starting with Clinton..no Americans with real world experience like the 80’s but Ivy League elites who were not very representative of the old hands who kept us safe in the cold war.
I agree about the overall importance of 2A and the defence against tyranny – yet I never get a clear answer about when I can use my weaponry.
1. I am about to be put on a plane to be extraordinarily rendered (sic). Owing to poor security when I was seized, I have managed to keep a handgun for which I have a licence. Am I allowed to shoot the CIA operatives who are putting me on the plane?
2. I am a black male, pulled over for no reason other than DWB. Two white police officers, guns drawn, approach me screaming contradictory orders. I fear for my life, having seen videos. Am I allowed to shoot them with a shotgun in my car that I legally own and carry?
3. I am carrying a group of people in my private bus to a polling station. I am stopped well before the station by police and officials who do not want my passengers to vote, suspecting rightly that they will not vote for the “right” people. Can I threaten the officials and police with weaponry and can I fire the weaponry if they do not back down and instead call my bluff?
…..After the standard procedures of law making and justice system has failed miserably. Funny how you made that sound so hard.
But you might use a gun to rise the point of authority to a higher level; but you don’t need to go out shooting policemen every-time you think they violated just you. That in no way shape or form has the appearance of a check on a tyrannical government; but more like a rogue criminal on the rampage against others paid to enforce the law.
Pick your battles wisely and always have a Constitutional clear case when doing so.
“…..After the standard procedures of law making and justice system has failed miserably.”
Outcomes that are counter to your beliefs and laws that you don’t like don’t qualify as failure. Pretty much every American lives with that every day because no one evebr gets everything they want. In life and in law.
But people of the USA should expect a Constitutional USA instead of a Commie-Take over.
1. Yes, morally entitled if that is necessary and if one has not committed an infringement of individual rights.
2. Only if they draw guns unecessarily and put one in reasonable fear for one’s life. In that case, one would be exonerated in court of law, but one would need to be in REASONABLE fear for one’s life. Trying to grab the shotgun may be difficult and the cops would say you’re going for a gun so they shot you. Better just keep one’s hands in plain sight and sue or charge the officers later.
3. No. There is other recourse and lives are not being threatened. Call their superiors or call the FBI. You could likely have them prosecuted for violation of civil rights and under color of authority.
Armed force is only justified if there is no other way, one’s life or liberty is threatened without other recourse, without the rule of law, and general ACTUAL tyranny, not just some violations of liberty, but pervasive and oppressive much worse than today as of this writing.
As Lao-Tzu put it: “Those who talk, don’t know. Those who know, don’t talk.”
Rabble with guns are easily overcome by tyranny.
Well regulated militia, established, trained and responsible, are our only hope for resistance, insurgency.
Look how it’s done in the Middle East, where they are used to foreign invaders corrupting their sovereign governments.
There are no guarantees.
Tell that to the inmates of the Nazi death camp Sobibor.
They started with hand-made, shop-crafted knives and hatchets, then seized pistols and rifles, then got control of the machine gun turrets. And they each did just what the Hell they wanted for as long as they could get away with it, just like free people do!
And after that uprising, the Nazis closed that death camp for good, which meant that act of armed resistance saved untold thousands and even millions of innocent lives and Der Fuhrer’s dream of an Aryan, Pure Judenrein! was rendered a failure!
Fuck off, Nazi!
Correction: An Aryan, Pure, Judenrein world. I was so ecstatice telling the story of the Sobibor uprising, I skipped a word.
But I won’t skip this: Fuck off, Nazi!
“Dear Citizens, It’s funny you still pretend this is the USA; you should know better that it’s now MY Democratic Nazi-Empire….”, Biden Paraphrased.
The USA is defined as a Democracy; It’s defined as a Constitutional Union of Republican States. That FACT alone is why the left (champions of Democracy) is more treasonous traitors to the USA than the right (champions of a Republic) will ever be.
correction; The USA **is-NOT** defined as a Democracy
preach !
Yep Biden. Russian for Fuck Biden.
Pants wetting old pervert.
Just gotta love how Biden considers those F-15’s and Nuclear Bombs HIS GOVERNMENTS property instead of the rightful owners; the people who made them.
Because that’s how Nazi’s think.
And never-mind that Constitutional (the people’s law over their government) FRAUD that’s been going on for years by the Nazi-Traitors/Regime. It takes 2/3rds congressional majority and State Ratification to change the USA – something the Nazi’s can’t get so they just FRAUD the USA and take it over sneakily like snake.
F J B.
I’d buy the “2nd Amendment is the best defense of freedom” party line if I saw the US gun lobby openly supporting the pro-freedom movements in this country today. Like by endorsing the trucker convoy protests or the people fighting against cancel culture. Or by setting up legal defense funds for gun owners who are being railroaded by the regime for defending themselves against rioters (e.g., Kyle Rittenhouse).
But the gun lobby has been in the main silent on this front. The assumption is that mere possession of firearms is sufficient to somehow guarantee liberty. But without political activism that is not enough.
2A rights in USA have never been this strong, luckily. 27 states or so have Constitutional carry, etc
You forgot (?) to mention that the armed civilians are getting the weapons from government disbursements. The weapons are not personal property.
It’s one thing to boldly proclaim that you’ll kill people to “defend liberty,” and another entirely to put yourself in harm’s way in the attempt.
It’s the difference between accessorizing with an AR-15 as you order your Whopper With Cheese in the local BK, and getting shot at in a war zone. Let’s have a poll: how many RTKBA enthusiasts signed up to fight in Iraq and/or Afghanistan? Yeah. So many that Reservists had to be forcibly re-upped to cover the shortages of troops on the ground. They put themselves at risk, so RTKBAers could pretend to be bad-ass as they gorged on another Death Burger – evidently, preferring death by heart attack to death at the business end of a firearm “in defense of liberty.” Have you taken your statins today?
People in Ukraine, many of whom are fighting an invading army – and dying in the effort – deserve respect, not the trivialization on display here.
And just let the Government of Ukraine ask for the guns “back” * after Citizens spilled blood defending Ukraine from Putin’s invasion and tyranny. If Zelenskyy tries confiscation after Ukraine drives out Putin, fun will commence after this present batch.
* (I put “back” in quotes because no government has anything that it didn’t first get from ir’s citizenry.)
By the way, I’m sure the Ukrainians would love a Whopper right about now. I’m going to see what I can do to help on both meals and munitions.
Zelensky and the Ukraine is actually a fairly accurate example of the “well regulated” clause of the 2nd Amendment.
In American context, essentially it means the National Guard in today’s terms, commanded by state governors and the Commander-In-Chief.
In other words in America your state Governor or Joe Biden is commander of the “well regulated militia”. The 2nd Amendment doesn’t mean a bunch of guys in the woods trying to subvert a “constitutional democratic republic” since we have democratic elections. The 9th Amendment also protects gun rights like hunting and target shooting.
At the founding of America’s government this National Guard style militia – following orders from governors and presidents – was the front line force until the army arrived. Today with helicopters and jets, there is less need for government controlled militias.
As George Bush once said “It’s unpatriotic to criticize our Commander-In-Chief” during wartime!
Plus the mere existence of a 2nd Amendment in a country can deter invaders. More guns than people here. Invading infantry would be in for a rough ride.
So civilian gun ownership in America is good, but gun ownership in Ukraine is bad? I don’t follow logic. You could sort of make the case for a country like Switzerland, where gun ownership comes with military training, but that’s not the case in America.
Also worth noting that one of the sticking points of Ukraine’s entry into the EU (and the globalist West) was it’s relatively liberal ‘2A’ policy. It will be interesting to see how, assuming the nation survives, the EU decides to integrate them after handing out automatic weapons to their citizens. I’m sure it will be smoother than it was before.
Is it ok for them to “throw their lives away” if they choose to do so without having to be encouraged and of their own volition?
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1499476593919475715?t=-gOgQx9TMgK_sNxukcQiSg&s=19
I regret to inform you that this is happening… gives me cuomosexual vibes
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The object is to make Ukraine ungovernable for the Russians. That can be done with small arms and concealed weapons. Oppression needs to be enforced by police-type forces that can be thwarted by armed citizens. Laws are not enforced by nukes. A long-term resistance with ambushes of Russian soldiers, IEDs, hit & run attacks, snipers could turn it into another Afghanistan for them, especially if we sell the Ukrainians ant-tank weapons and surface to air missiles.
Concern troll harder!!
So now we’re supposed to care about people halfway across the globe fighting a war we’re not involved in?
So you don’t care of civilians die? You monster!
Everybody who disagrees with my false dichotomies is a neocon! Reeeeeee
Still beating that drum huh? Better red than dead, amIright?
“As long as nobody puts a gun to their head”
No one is putting a gun to anyone’s head. Idiot.
Thousands of dead Ukrainian “civilians” is the goal. Zelensky’s propaganda victories keep turning out to be, sometimes outright lies.
I get it.
Good, good. Let the hate flow.
Well, to be fair, whenever I start any post about gay issues, I do like to punctuate it with “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
I’m just trying to understand where all your backpeddling is coming from. Right up until last week your whole schtick was that American civilians need to take up arms and fight against the American government. Yesterday you were saying that Ukrainian civilians taking up arms and fighting against the Russian government is LITERAL SUICIDE and they totally shouldn’t do it, and that in any case armed civilians never beat any army in history. And today you’re saying that American civilians can totally take on the entire might of the US government with civilian semi-auto AR-15s, and in the exact same post you’re saying that Ukrainians civilians have no hope against the Russian government when all they have are weapons that came right out of the military arsenal.
Which is it? Can an armed populace defeat a government or not? Is it the magical dirt that allows Americans with rifles and no military training to take out tanks while Ukrainians with better rifles and the same amount of military training can’t?
So the difference between effectively fighting tanks and getting killed by tanks is visiting the range every couple of months?
There is no “we”.
I’m not speaking when our fucking government decides on foreign policy. That’s the result of drinking the stew of garbage juice left from preceding decades of expedience that we now pretend are a legacy that we have to maintain. That’s known as the sunk-cost fallacy.
AIDS. HEP C MENTAL PROBLEMS.
Yup, nothing wrong.
You know I say this with an unblemished record of staunch heterosexuality: that [reference] is fabulous.
GG has become the resident concern troll. But it is fun to play “name that tune” to see how many posts it takes for him to pout and call you an idiot or a neocon. It generally goes like this:
1. GG trolls concern for Ukrainians “throwing their lives away” in a flase dichotomy where they are either being brainwashed by US media or forced to by Zelensky.
2. You point out they can choose to do that of their own accord
3. GG claims you didn understand the context he didnt give and prevericates.
4. You laugh at his pearl clutching and he calls you a neocon or idiot, while playing victim saying “I’m not Putin stooge.”
You are wrong. On multiple dimensions.
First, you are assuming that the Ukrainian civilians are untrained. Yet you do so immediately after railing about the “millions being forced to fight”. Yes, the Ukraine has conscription (as did the USSR before them). And no, it’s not “good” that conscripts can be forced to fight against their will. However, that same conscription practice means that the Ukraine now has millions of civilians who do have military training and experience.
Second, you are wrong in blindly assuming that all those conscripts are being forced to fight. Some draftees would certainly quit if they could. But in a war of defense, history shows that many conscripts fight willingly.
Finally, you are very wrong in assuming that those civilians are significantly less trained than their unmotivated conscript opponents. Can a bunch of untrained grandmothers stand up to a platoon of well-equipped former Spetznaz? Probably not. But that’s not generally who they’re fighting.
https://twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1499400174593986566?t=LaRDcANOj8RaW4H5it_sXQ&s=19
Based on the media and late night “comedians” obsession with Ukraine’s president, I’m almost positive we’re about to find out Zelensky released a virus into nursing homes and grabbed tons of asses.
Any of you “cuomo sexuals” care to comment?
I bet he has super cool pronouns!
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Two years ago. The Comedian is a paid asset of the Ukrainian Oligarchs/US Democrats, but I repeat myself.
You want sooooo bad to be a victim. I think you might want to try trolling at Vox. You might get more sympathy.
P.S. I never called you a Putin stooge which would seem quite embarrassing for someone who claims everyone is too stupid to understand your posts.
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Keep that in mind when the “civilian” casualty count starts getting the covid case count push
Zelensky has, via executive order, made every man in Ukraine a legitimate, perhaps even necessary, target.
Agree or disagree with the wisdom and morality of the move, but either way it’s a consideration curiously absent from most discussions here.
Maybe because at least he is now standing and not leaving them behind.- something which I’m sure spineless cowardly idiotic liberal tool Biden would do all too willingly. Biden isn’t half the man that the Ukraine president is.
It is because most of the Western nations are used to spineless geriatric chicken-hawks leading them. About the only major leaders that don’t fit that profile that Americans are familiar with are Macron and Trudeau which are spineless, sissies.
“The elevation of Zelensky into a folk hero by people that never heard of him until about a week ago is fucking bizarre.”
People admire courage. It’s why Alexei Navalny is admired. It’s especially admirable in the face of oppression and evil. It’s most admirable when the person standing up for what’s right is likely risking their life to do so.
It helps that Putin is playing the repressive, brutal dictator role ao well.
Ukraine has zero chance to defeat and invading Russian military.
Ukraine should have surrendered before the Russians decided to stop the shelling in Donbas and prevent Ukraine from joining NATO to save the innocents.
But Zelenskyy was put into this position by the USA (thankyou John Kerry, Joe Biden, Obama, Nuland et al.,) for the express purpose of starting a fight with Russia. Zelenskyy should have stayed at his Oligarch funded $35M beach house in N. Miami Beach and simply gotten a tan. But the comedian wanted the cash for his soul.
“So you don’t care of civilians die? You monster!”
Well played, Mundi!
Zelenskyy has to stand because that’s what he is being paid to do. We might all go to his N. Miami Beach house and ask questions otherwise. (Beach house funded by Oligarchs of course. More than likely visited by Hunter Biden for some Asian hooker fun and crack sessions.)
He turned every Ukrainian man into a legitimate, possibly even necessary, target while he’s safe behind the lines and goes on TV to beg for world War III.
I agree. You have been clueless since you started up with your agitprop.
Jesus, we’ve got another apologist. Useful idiot, paid propagandist, or clueless rube? I have no idea.
Russia has no justification to ve in Ukraine. What they are doing is fighting for their country. They don’t seem to be showing any sign of stopping. They probably won’t stop even after the inevitability of Russia’s military victory.
The worst part is that the kleptocrats in Russia will be hurt somewhat by the sanctions, but the average Russian citizen will be decimated. And that won’t bother Putin at all.
Hopefully there will be a popular uprising in Russia and Putin is removed from power. Ideally he would be tried for war crimes, but it’s more important that he be stopped from making decisions that wreck his country.
It is amazing just how dumb the propaganda coming from the Russian apologists is. Nobody believes this crap.
It’s actually not that complicated unless you are trying to distract from the central point.
Russia invaded a sovereign nation. Many people, both civilian and Ukrainians fighting for their country, are dying (as are Russians, but they brought it on themselves).
Literally every missile, shell and bomb that lands in a civilian area is Russia’s responsibility. Every house that is destroyed, every child that is killed, every family that is torn apart is Russia’s responsibility.
There is no scenario in which Russia isn’t the bad actor. You can say that American media and Westerners cheering on civilians who take up arms are getting people killed. But the only ones who are getting people killed are the Russians. Because they chose to invade. They chose to kill Ukrainians. They chose to shell civilians.
Pretending that it is somehow someone else’s fault is a lie. It’s a false equivalency. It’s propaganda. And it’s wrong. Factually amd morally wrong.
Oh, and we must note: legitimate/necessary targets that are categorized as unlawful combatants under the Geneva Convention since they won’t be wearing uniforms.
I guess he could distribute millions of Ukraine flag patches they could sew onto whatever they’re wearing that day, but I do not know if that alone would make them uniformed.
Unlawful combatants are legally eligible for summary execution.
OK. You’re an amoral Russian apologist, but that was funny!
I’ve decided to lean into the mob rage
“Death to America” = good
“Russia” = evil
Now do Putin. Unless that would cost you your job.
Anti-tank not ant-tank. A .45 will knock out an “ant”-tank.
Could have executed a lot of VC in Vietnam, mostly wearing civilian clothes. As battlefield expediency that won’t happen unless the Russians want their soldiers executed.
Hey Goldy, looks like he got you there.
No, both Putin and the Ayatollahs are evil. And we have enough oil and shale under the North American Continental Shelf to last for hundreds or even thousands of years.
Now you are being shill for Putin to stand by this obvious False Binary Fallacy.
If I had 10 thumbs, I’d give them all to your post! Excellent!
I should add that ethnic Russian Ukrainians have fought bravely against Putin and the Putineers too. They don’t like his Revanchist bullshit either.
(“Revanch” sounnds like what a cow does with it’s grass when it forms cud. Ugh!) 🙂
TMedical science in on the cusp of making a vaccine for HIV/AIDS. And Hep A, B, and C happens with straight people too.
With talk like that, you may want to reconsider which side you’re on here. While Ukraine isn’t perfect, Putin is far more in the anti-LGBTQ+ camp than Ukraine.