Do Kids Really Need To Wear Masks at School?
“We essentially reorganized our society around the control of a single infectious disease, when in fact, health is plural," says Stanford professor of health policy Jay Bhattacharya.
HD DownloadShould kids have to wear masks at school? And, if so, for how long?
Eighteen states require kids—in some cases as young as age 2—to mask all day in class, and nine states have banned school districts from requiring masks.
In July, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis issued an executive order banning mask mandates in Florida school districts, writing that "a right to normal education is imperative to the growth and development of our children and adolescents." DeSantis was influenced by parents like Tina Descovich, a former member of Florida's Brevard County School Board and co-founder of Moms for Liberty, which has 160 chapters and more than 70,000 members nationwide.
"We support parental choice in masking, always," Descovich tells Reason. "We believe a parent has the ultimate authority…the fundamental right to guide and direct the upbringing, the medical care and the education of their children."
Descovich says mask requirements have driven parental engagement to a level that she's never seen before, and that many have come to her with photos of their kids' faces with MRSA and infantigo, which are types of staph infections. Their concerns are very practical she says. "These parents are not out for a crusade."
Descovich says that her 13-year-old son "started experiencing some mental health issues" early in the pandemic. "The isolation at was not good for him….He would hide behind the mask." Descovich says he was diagnosed with the "contamination obsessive-compulsive disorder," a psychological condition in which individuals have an irrational fear of getting sick.
In October 2020, before DeSantis' order, the Brevard County School Board voted to extend its mask mandate, so Descovich pulled her son out of public school.
"It broke my heart, but it was necessary for his health and well-being."
"These decisions that parents are making are not necessarily coming from a place of science," says Lisa Gwynn, president of the Florida chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics, which supports in-school mask mandates. They're "coming more from just personal preference."
Gwynn testified against the state of Florida in a lawsuit challenging DeSantis' executive order. But the judge in that case sided with the governor, stating in his decision that the school boards "failed to prove that" the state's mask opt-out rules "facilitate the spread of COVID-19 in schools."
"This is why judges should remain in the courtroom and not in the clinic because everything that he said is totally wrong," says Gwynn.
Gwynn acknowledges that COVID-19 poses a low risk of serious illness to young children but says mask mandates are necessary because kids can still spread the disease to adults. She also says concerns that mask wearing in schools hinders childhood development are overblown.
"Have these parents been inside a classroom?…[Teachers know that] kids are adjusting," Gwynn tells Reason. "That's what I love about working with children…they're very resilient."
In early December 2021, the U.S. surgeon general announced that the pandemic has had an "unprecedented impact on the mental health of America's youth," though without specifically mentioning mask wearing. "The COVID-19 pandemic further altered their experiences at home, school, and in the community."
Because compulsory, all-day masking is a new phenomenon, there are no long-term studies on its effect on childhood mental health and development.
Are the benefits worth the potential costs?
"We think of [masks] as a completely benign intervention, but they are not," says Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of health policy at Stanford who testified as an expert witness on behalf of the state of Florida in the lawsuit over the governor's executive order. "We essentially reorganized our society around the control of a single infectious disease, when in fact, health is plural…A public action that benefits the reduction of one disease might hurt another disease. We have to think about these trade-offs all the time."
Bhattacharya points to an independent study of Florida schools that showed no statistical differences in the case rate between school districts that required masks and those that didn't.
"I don't believe that there's any evidence that it actually did much as far as COVID-19 spread for kids to wear masks," says Bhattacharya.
The most widely cited study in favor of mask mandates used data collected in North Carolina schools, which the authors wrote about on the New York Times op-ed page. But that study suffered from a fundamental flaw: "Because North Carolina had a mask mandate for all K-12 schools," the authors acknowledged, "we could not compare masked schools to unmasked schools."
Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), recently shared a graphic claiming that "without mask requirements" schools were "3.5 times more likely to have COVID outbreaks." But that statistic is based on research that didn't account for whether schools were open in the period studied, tracked outbreaks as opposed to cases, and didn't control for vaccination status.
"You can't learn anything about the effects of school mask mandates from this study," Jonathan Ketcham, a public-health economist at Arizona State University, told David Zwieg of The Atlantic.
"There's no randomized evidence at all on masking children," says Bhattacharya. "That's what leads to this kind of scientific uncertainty."
Bhattacharya, who's an informal adviser to DeSantis, appeared with the governor on a panel in April of 2021 that YouTube removed from its platform because two panelists, including Bhattacharya, questioned the efficacy of masking children. Though the CDC recommends masking all kids, the World Health Organization only advises masking kids ages 5 and older. The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control recommends masking kids ages 12 and older.
Parents of immunocompromised children have argued in court that DeSantis infringed on their liberties by making it dangerous for their kids to come to school.
Descovich says these parents already have the tools they need to protect their kids. "If you are concerned about your child's health, you will probably want to make sure they're [vaccinated] if they're high risk and that they are very well masked and that they have a well-fitting mask. But the blanket statement of masking another person's child who may have other issues is unacceptable," she says.
Some superintendents have also said that DeSantis has engaged in executive overreach and undermined local control and decision making in order to further his own political agenda.
"I believe in local control and am a champion of local control," says Descovich. "But on this one issue of government overreach, I think the role of government is to protect its citizens and to defend their individual liberty."
The Florida Department of Education also made available vouchers for any parent looking for an alternative masking policy from the one that's in place at their district school. Descovich supports this move but says that given the transportation challenges that low-income parents looking to exercise choice are likely to face, this approach isn't a solution.
For now, Florida has won its standoff with the federal government, which dropped a cease-and-desist order against the state for withholding funds from school boards resisting DeSantis's anti-mandate order. No district currently has a mandate in place.
Gwynn believes states like Florida that have outlawed mask mandates have taken the first steps down a very dangerous path.
"If we're going to just toss out public health measures, where do we stop? Where do we go from here? Do we start allowing people to not wear our seatbelts?" asks Gwynn. "If you want to do whatever you want to do in the privacy of your own home, that's one thing. But if your behavior affects somebody else, we as public health professionals have to make those decisions to do what's best for the entire community, not just for that one individual's rights."
But Bhattacharya says the more pressing danger might be the extent to which politicians and voters have handed over policy making decisions to public health authorities with a single-minded focus.
"[Public health] is fundamentally a complicated thing. And so to try to make it a morality tale of 'you must stop the spread of this disease at the expense of all else in life,' I think was an enormous mistake."
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Forcing kids to wear masks is child abuse. Period.
Is this your last stand for liberty? Even though you openly attack the party asking for no mandates while excusing those that want mandates with your cries of if it even helps a tiny tiny bit?
It’s worse than that Sarc. It’s another example of the now completely open socialist fascism (because national socialism is socialism because it has socialism in the name) of the Biden regime. God, what else can one think of a government that requests that it’s citizens wear a mask and get vaccinated during a global pandemic. You know what that kind of thing spells, Sarc? C…R…Y…P…T…O… … F…A…S…C…I…S…T… …B…I…D…E…N… … S…O…C…I…A…L…I…S…M
No.
Next question?
No. Why so many words?
They pay by the word.
I prefer words to video. Much faster to read. No accents to hear.
When playing to an insane conservative base is the only card in your hand, sacrificing your supposed principles is inevitable. Republicans are staring in the mirror, and do not have the intellectual consistency to realize it.
DeSantis is nurturing his Trumpist image, otherwise he will lose the extremists that he needs to maintain his grip on power. Science does not matter to these people. It never has. It never will.
Tulpa's here.
I'm out.
Have fun.
It isiterally what you've said for months. Want your posts regarding "if it isnt 100%!!!" Bullshit?
I was hoping Reason’s IT might help you out, but once again they are useless. Sigh.
Too bad they didn't help you with HO2.
Another sarc to mute? This is getting tiresome.
The "science" says that folks like u and Faucci don't know a freaking thing about REAL science. YOU.... belive in sciencetism. Which is nothing more then some wacked out modern religion. So keep wearing that diaper dude. It diminishes the stink coming from your indoctrinated mouth. It's all an IQ test. Which u have failed miserably at.
The Phucko Knows
No.
If it's a question to you, you're part of the problem.
The answer is still Not really
No. Next question.
Kids don't need to go to school at all.
Actually to quote the teachers unions, kids get plenty of education regardless of what they are doing so long as the teachers get paid
This is from July 2020, talking about spring 2020, before masks were even a thing:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/24/882316641/what-parents-can-learn-from-child-care-centers-that-stayed-open-during-lockdowns
Throughout the pandemic, many child care centers have stayed open for the children of front-line workers — everyone from doctors to grocery store clerks. YMCA of the USA and New York City's Department of Education have been caring for, collectively, tens of thousands of children since March, and both tell NPR they have no reports of coronavirus clusters or outbreaks.
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We have known the entire time that kids didn't need masks to be safe.
Hey, if it saves the feelz of just *one* Karen...
Imagine a child at a school not wearing a mask and having untied shoelaces.
'You'll poke your eye out with that thing!'
SHUT IT ALL DOWN!
For the children, of course.
Abortion.
Its " For the Children."
...whose - gasp- parents voted for.... Trump!
untied shoelaces
Mandate velcro shoes, obviously.
Brain dead Beftopath Sycophants only have a 2 week memory and clearly cant use Google to search relevant topics.
Thus they only spread the latest Synchronized Talking Points.
Its like Synchronized Swimming just with drowning.
The worst thing is that Google removed advanced search option to limit searches to a specific time range.
It’s a hassle to find Covid stuff from early 2020 without wading through a million propaganda results from late 2020.
"Do Kids Really Need To Wear Masks at School?"
Do Democrats and other left wingers really need to lie to and scare people about natural immunity and covid's very low risks (for most Americans), and destroy civil and human rights and freedoms, as well as America's economy in order to become dictatorial tyrants?
Unlike the answer to the first question, the answer to the second question is unfortunately YES.
The answer is and always has been "no."
I was shocked to receive several Christmas cards containing a photo of an entire family wearing masks.
Then again, my sister told me I'd have to wear a mask if I went to visit her (along with two other siblings, and several of their children) for the holidays (even though all of them had received 3 covid vaccine shots, and even though I was vaccinated).
Many Americans have become stupid fearful sheeple who have zero tolerance for the US Constitution, freedom, capitalism and common sense.
Ive cut " them" off. Dont need " them".
Friends, acquaintances, events etc.
Masks? Then not me.
They lose. I cant. Dont need them or their psychological problems
If they admit masks are necessary arent THEY admitting that THEY are unsafe?
If you agreed to attend your sister’s event masked, I suppose the good lord gave testicles to the wrong sibling!
If you didn’t go masked, that ruins the joke.
Just look at https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states and try to tell me that any of this mattered.
" However, overall there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/
SCIENCE.
Not leftist politics
NIH
NOT NBC
IT made a shitload of PROFIT for drug companies and Chinese suppliers of masks, gloves...etc
Moderna stock...X 10
How much are Biden and Facui making on kickbacks?
There are exactly four words that completely describe me. Want to know what they are? Ok… 1. Gay 2.Black 3. And 4. GOPProud.
Stink stank and stunk
Ah the " infectous disease" LIE.
CDC says Civud is SARS2.
.IT IS NOT THE VIRUS.
Just getting the virus is NOT INFECTION.
Get a dictionary.
SARS is not transmissible. It us a PERSONS own immune system attackung the lungs ( initially, mostly).
That cannot be transmitted.
CDC. NIH and dental world research ( not political compliance talking points) say masks do not work.
Google:
"porosity of N95 masks" and
" Why masks dont work."
"Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/cloth-masks-are-useless-against-covid-19
ScD. Not NBC
fun fact...chain link fences keep mosquitos out of your yard!
This is idiotic. Public health bureaucrats cannot show that masks are effective with adults in halting, or even significantly slowing down the spread of the disease, so they extend the masking mandate to include kids, who are more likely to die from a dozen other things, ranging from drowning to electrocution, including drunk driving, drive by shootings, and even abuse by step parents.
Even if masking worked to slow down the spread of the disease, they still cannot show that that would be a good thing. Do you want herd immunity? Then start with the kids, who aren’t going to die from it, and work up in age brackets. Of course, herd immunity for this virus is a chimera, a false hope, impossible esp now with Omicron and extremely leaky vaccines to a respiratory coronavirus that has already been seen to easily jump to other species.
And this doesn’t even start to consider the adverse issues we know with masking kids with face diapers, that have little efficacy in preventing the spread primarily by aerosols of this virus. Instead of changing masks several times an hour, as medical professionals do, they wear them all day. They constantly are adjusting them, which means that their hands pick up both viruses and bacteria collected by the masks, spreading it to every surface they touch. And then, they rebreath all of the bacteria and viruses they have exhaled, raising the bacterial and viral loads in their bodies.
Meanwhile they are deprived of learning facial cues from their teachers and other students. Many also become fearful of normal contagion, along with fear of a virus that probably won’t make them sick, and won’t kill them, unless they have a well known comorbidity (most obviously significant obesity).
"Many also become fearful of normal contagion, along with fear of a virus that probably won’t make them sick..."
During Summer 2020 I was out on a hike with my daughter (both masked). A mother and her young son, around 5, were coming in the opposite direction. We moved 6 feet off the path to let them pass. The kid, upon seeing us, collapsed on the ground, sobbing and practically convulsing with fear, and was unable to even put on his stupid mask. I'm sure the mother did that to him. Disgusting.
Their spreadsheet only concerns Covid. If you die of cancer or lose something else you care about, it doesn’t count against their Covid cases or Covid hospitalizations policy. So they don’t care.
Same thing for climate. You died because you didn’t have air conditioning on a hot day or heating on a cold day? Environmentalist praises your low carbon footprint! Success achieved.
Masks stop COVID like cigarette filters stop lung cancer.
my chain link fence has proven ineffective at keeping the mosquitos out of my yard.
Serious question. How does not wearing a seatbelt affect other people?
I base that on this quote:
"If we're going to just toss out public health measures, where do we stop? Where do we go from here? Do we start allowing people to not wear our seatbelts?"
As I understand it, you are way more likely to die or experience serious injury in a car crash unbelted. Especially now with modern passive restraints like airbags that are designed for you to be in the seat as they deploy. So, not wearing a seatbelt is a less safe choice, but I'm only killing myself. Anyone have a rational argument why that's not the case?
In a lower speed collision or sudden deceleration associated with a road hazard, not wearing a seatbelt increases the odds that you fail to remain in control of your vehicle.
You can then cause injuries to others, especially if your vehicle remains in motion.
Had you remained seated and in control, you could have prevented secondary injuries and damages.
> "If we're going to just toss out public health measures, where do we stop? Where do we go from here? Do we start allowing people to not wear our seatbelts?" asks Gwynn.
Someone better warn Dr. Gwynn against visiting New Hampshire.
On an unrelated note..."our" seatbelts? Is Comrade Gwynn telling people they don't own their seatbelts?
regrettably we have abandoned the practice of calling retards retards when they engage in retarded bullshit. 50 years ago the jack ass that proposed masks for childeren would have been shouted down as the dumbass he/she is. now we eat the silly horseshit like it was chocolate cake and pretend we thought it through. "if it just saves one life!" they mewl, ignoring the other MANY deaths occasioned by this lock down. suicides, drug abuses, sociopathy from isolation, developmental deficits that will resound for decades to come.
my new go to for someone who asks me to mask up is that when they're done sucking my cock i'll be glad to
"regrettably we have abandoned the practice of calling retards retards when they engage in retarded bullshit."
Well, I'm more in the habit of calling them lying piles of lefty shit.
""If we're going to just toss out public health measures, where do we stop? Where do we go from here? Do we start allowing people to not wear our seatbelts?" asks Gwynn."
My god the horror. Then the next thing you know, people are going to want to decide what drugs to put in their own body....or where to send their kids to school.....or what religion to teach their kids....or whether to wear a motorcycle helmet....or whether to wait until the little green guy is on the sign before crossing the street....
As the *REAL* question goes ignored.
Does Commie-Education really have any excuse to be in a nation that *use* to pride itself on being the land of the free?
The answer is not really.
No
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He certainly has never been principled. But he used to play at the edges solely and was largely ignored. Then trump broke him and he evolved into this rambling hypocrite full of strawman you see now. Thats why glibs ap doesn't tolerate him.
He put himself on his mutate list.
Those are different sarcasmics.
By the by, who is Tulpa? People keep yelling about this person who is supposedly this horrible thing, but I truly don't remember who this person is.
https://glibertarians.com
Btw read this Rubin piece and basically thought sarcasmic the last few months.
https://t.co/S4OQD7R58u?amp=1
Especially last 3 paragraphs.
Tulpa is the guy who never uses the same screen name, and who impersonates other people. The sock king. He was so popular in the old days that when the cool kids started glibertarians.com, the only rule was "No Tulpas."
Tulpa was a mildly annoying twit, but then his handle was high-jacked by several people and 'he' became more than mildly annoying.
Have no idea if any of the current crop of steaming piles of lefty shit is tulpa.