Donald Trump

Trump's Failed Promise To Stop America's 'Endless Wars'

"The best aspect of the Trump foreign policy is that he has revealed the mind of the foreign policy establishment," says historian Thaddeus Russell. "The worst part... he's a mass murderer just like the rest of them."

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Donald Trump's pitch to "Make America Great Again" included a commitment to rethinking America's interventionist foreign policy.

"After the Cold War, our foreign policy veered badly off course," then-candidate Trump told an audience at the Center for the National Interest in April 2016. "Logic was replaced with foolishness and arrogance, and this led to one foreign policy disaster after another."

Trump's promise to unwind America's foreign commitments won the vote of some anti-war libertarians, who argued that, while many of his political views were odious, foreign policy mattered most.

"Donald [Trump] is a peacenik, practically, certainly compared to the war-mongering Hillary [Clinton]," libertarian economist Walter Block told the audience at a November 2016 debate over whether libertarians should support Trump, which was hosted by the Soho Forum.

On the campaign trail, Trump also attacked Clinton for voting to authorize the invasion of Iraq as a senator, for pushing for U.S. intervention in Libya as secretary of state, and for her hawkish approach to foreign policy in general.

"Almost everything [Hillary Clinton] has done in foreign policy has been a mistake, and it's been a disaster," Trump said in an October 2016 debate.

In a November 2016 Reason podcast, historian Thaddeus Russell made the case that Trump would prove to be the less interventionist alternative to Clinton.

"Whenever there's a dictator or tyrant [America doesn't] like in any part of the world, we are obligated to remove him," Russell said. "Trump is the first president to call bullshit on that very claim…And in doing so, I think he may do great service for actual peace."

But now that we're ending his presidential term, do noninterventionists believe Trump actually has moved the world closer to peace?

"I think Trump has moved America considerably closer to peace," says Russell. "At the very same time, he's moved us into more wars. So it's a terribly mixed bag."

But Russell says that Trump's rhetoric alone still was an important victory for the noninterventionist cause.

"He called into question the need for America to invade countries, to change their regimes and to stay there…Specifically, he called into question the Iraq war."

Trump isn't the first modern president to promise an end to foreign entanglements on the campaign trail only to double down on those commitments once in office. Candidate Barack Obama called the Iraq War "dumb" and promised to end it.

Obama temporarily withdrew troops from Iraq on Bush's pre-negotiated timetable, but then re-intervened a few years later after ISIS filled the power vacuum. He also expanded the war on terror into several new countries and began personally ordering covert drone strikes, one of which killed a 16-year-old American, and another that killed at least 13 people headed to a wedding.

Even George W. Bush, who as president started the disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, ran against nation-building on the campaign trail.

"I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country and say, 'We do it this way. So should you,'" Bush said in a 2000 debate.

Scott Horton, a popular anti-war podcast host and author of a book on the history of the war in Afghanistan, says modern presidents often campaign against war because it's a popular position in the abstract.

"The American people want peace," says Horton.

He agrees with Russell that Trump's rhetorical attack on the foreign policy establishment, and specifically on Jeb Bush and the Iraq war, helped the anti-war cause.

"He really got the…Tea Party, Republican voters of America to finally admit that they were wrong to have supported George Bush," says Horton.

But he says Trump is too impulsive to be reliably anti-war.

"The problem with Donald Trump, of course, is that he's a millimeter deep," says Horton. "He has some instincts, but he doesn't have…thinking really on these things."

Trump's wars with the media, Democrats, and protesters have meant that Americans are paying less attention than ever to our actual wars, which nevertheless are still being waged.

Trump hasn't invaded any new countries, but he has ramped up the nearly 19-year-long, $2 trillion Afghanistan war that's cost the lives of tens of thousands of Afghans and more than 3,500 U.S. and NATO troops.

Trump deployed thousands more troops to Afghanistan in 2017 and dropped more bombs and missiles in 2019 than in any previously recorded year.

"Once they get in there, all the incentives are to keep the [wars] going," says Horton. "Afghanistan is the greatest example of this."

Instead of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria once he took office, Trump vowed to stop publicly reporting troop numbers. 

The Trump administration did strike a deal with Taliban leaders in late February to wind down the war within 14 months if they pledged to prevent terrorist groups like al Qaeda from operating in the country, and the Pentagon announced a reduction in forces and withdrawal from five Afghanistan bases on July 14.

"The fact that Trump was willing to break with Bush and Obama's policy to go ahead and negotiate directly with the Taliban was a clue that he was really serious," says Horton.

But he worries that deal could be scuttled by uncorroborated reports that Russia paid bounties to Afghans who killed U.S. troops, which prompted Republican Liz Cheney to partner with several House Democrats to place conditions on the withdrawal.

Horton also points out that Trump has increased U.S. involvement in Yemen and Somalia. In Yemen alone, the United Nations estimates that the Saudi-led and U.S.-supported bombing campaign has resulted in almost a quarter of a million deaths.

"These are two of America's most horrible wars and no one pays any attention to them whatsoever," says Horton.

Trump has continued and escalated the war on terror, which could make the U.S. susceptible to getting involved in even more conflicts around the globe. He also undid Obama's nuclear deal with Iran and ordered a targeted assassination of Iranian Gen. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, whom he accused of plotting an attack on an American base.

But after Iran fired back, Trump backed off. He pulled back a strike in 2019 after Iran downed a U.S. drone, and political allies and media commentators portrayed it as a weakness. He faced widespread criticism for moving troops out of northern Syria and praise when he fired missiles into a Syrian airfield after allegations of a chemical attack by Bashar al-Assad.

"Look at the narrative and the agenda in the media," says Horton. "How dare Donald Trump try to end any of America's wars ever."

Russell worries about the increasingly belligerent rhetoric on both sides of the aisle towards China. Trump has escalated tensions with China through his trade war and  the reported placement of low-yield nuclear weapons in the region. But Russell still believes Trump's rhetoric was useful.

"The best aspect of the foreign policy of Trump is that…he has revealed the mind of not just the foreign policy establishment…[but] really government workings and the workings of the state," says Russell. "The worst aspect of the Trump foreign policy is that he's a mass murderer, just like the rest of them."

In the end, Trump, as commander in chief, has had ample opportunity to begin making good on his promise to begin extricating the American military from its endless wars. Time and again, he has failed to formulate a coherent strategy for doing so.

"It never should have been this way. We screwed up, got the whole 21st century off on the wrong foot," says Horton. "But we didn't need to. We could call the whole damn thing off…and just forge that new [foreign policy] consensus and stick with it. It should be easy because we're right."

Produced by Zach Weissmueller. Graphics by Lex Villena and Isaac Reese.

Photo credits: "Liz Cheney," Stefani Reynolds/CNP/MEGA/ Newscom; "Mother at military funeral," Kevin Dietsch/UPI/Newscom; "Carrying flag-draped casket," Kevin Dietsch/Newscom; "Woman at veteran's gravesite," Michael A. McCoy/ZUMA Press/Newscom; "Trump and Jeb Bush at debate," Max Wittaker/UPI/Newscom; "Trump holding up fists," Yin Bogu Xinhua News Agency/Newscom; "Chinese ballistic missile," Kyodo/Newscom; "Donald Trump campaigning at podium," by Gage Skidmore; "Trump and Clinton debate," Christian Gooden/TNS/Newscom; "Afghanistan war footage," by Combat Views under Creative Commons license; "Trump with crowd behind him," by Image of Sport/Newscom; "Yemeni children in village," CHINE NOUVELLE/SIPA/Newscom; "Yemeni children getting water," CHINE NOUVELLE/SIPA/Newscom; "Yemeni child in hospital," Abdulnasser Alseddik/ZUMA Press/Newscom; "Bombed Yemeni village," Xinhua News Agency/Newscom; "Nurse wearing face shield," CHINE NOUVELLE/SIPA/Newscom. 

Music credits: "Truth or Reality," "Temerity," "Unforeseen," "To Begin Again," by Sean Williams licensed by Artlist. 

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  1. I love Scott Horton. He’s been the best antiwar voice in the libertarian movement for as long as I can remember.

    1. I miss Will Grigg. He and Horton were like a 1-2 punch against war and police abuse. He’d be having a field day with recent events.

      1. You mean the ones where people are now having pro police rallies because the leftists have shown themselves to be far, far, faaaaaaaaaar worse than cops?

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  3. Trump has apparently been in political checkmate since before he knew he was even playing the game.

    1. Trump is too stupid to even know how to set up the pieces on a chessboard.

      When they say above that he is a millimeter deep, I think they are giving him way too much credit. I didn’t vote for him but was hopeful about his alleged foreign policy positions. He has been an abject failure, but when you are a moron and don’t know anything about anything, the neocons can push you around all they want.

      I see the only good aspect of his presidency is pissing the cunt’s Cheerios on election day (Oh what I would pay to see a video of her as she melted down realizing she lost to a political novice game show host moron) and exposing (unwittingly, of course) how things are truly run in this shithole country. I have never felt better about not voting in my life. It’s all a charade.

      1. You don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
        They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

        1. Yeah, the other symptom of TDS is people like you that swallow Trump’s bullshit and lies hook, line and sinker. It’s a mysterious disease that manifests itself in many ways. I wonder what the medical community thinks and how it compares to Dear Leader’s twitter feed. That’s what I look for.

          1. “Yeah, the other symptom of TDS is people like you that swallow Trump’s bullshit and lies hook, line and sinker.”

            Your cite is missing here, too, you pathetic piece of lefty shit.
            Trump gets my support when he keeps the SCOTUS from capsizing to port, for instance, and doesn’t when he raises tariffs.
            Lefty shits like you would scream ‘he can’t swim’ if he walked across the Potomac.

            1. *shakes head, mutters “blasphemous” under his breath, up votes anyway*

            2. Lefty shit – that is fucking laughable. You employ the same approach as Libtards – “Anyone who doesn’t agree with me 100% is diametrically opposite me.”

          2. AmSoc, it’s a shame you haven’t committed suicide. You should do that right now

        2. Shut the fuck up, Sevo. Here is a graph of the drone strikes in Afghanistan. Notice anything?

          Obama drone strikes in Afghanistan: 1306
          Trump drone strikes in Afghanistan: 11766

          1. Oh, gee!
            Care to tell us which caused combatant deaths and which were otherwise?
            Suffice to say, your source is suspect at least.
            Fuck off, you adolescent piece of lefty shit.

          2. Oh, and you seemed to have avoided any support for commie-kid’s claims. Wonder why?

          3. You’re so full of horseshit Chipper. That graph only shows the last two years of Obama who was bombing the shit out of Afghanistan since 2008. And yet her you are, pretending that it was the total.

            I’d be so embarrassed if I were you.

        3. I don’t have TDS, and I annoy the shit out of those who do because it is pointless…and he didn’t win because of “Russia”…he won because the Dems ran the most odious subhuman cunt there is. But not having TDS doesn’t mean I have to think he is any good, because he’s no damn good at all. Has no ethical or moral compass, and is a very uninformed and stupid man.

          That said, when this PoS is gone, whether, in 4 months or 4 years, absolutely nothing about the USA will be bettered by getting rid of him. And nothing will be better for having had him.

          The bus is heading full speed for the cliff, and the democrats and republicans fight over who gets to hold the steering wheel as it goes over the edge. This is clearly an empire in decline – the only question that concerns me is these deranged sociopaths in DC are apt to invent an excuse for nuclear war as they lose control and global dominance.

          1. I don’t have TDS
            Ha ha ha, the fuck you don’t.

          2. “I don’t have TDS”
            Alcoholics swear they can quit drinking and fucking lefty TDS victims swear it’s your problem, not theirs.
            Well your fucking ignoramus, you don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
            They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

            1. God it must be pathetic to have your nose up someone’s ass who doesn’t give a flying fuck about you.

              Really shitty messiah.

          3. BTW, let’s be clear:
            You.
            Are.
            Full.
            Of.
            Shit.

            1. The psychological term for that is “projecting”.

              Trump is cut from the same human garbage mold as all these other Washington DC people. He has no talent for anything except borrowing money and not paying it back.

              Let’s be clear.

              You.
              Are.
              Fucking.
              Pathetic.

              But absent any critical thinking skills, I guess that’s to be expected. That’s the only way you come to the conclusion that anyone who is not a Trumptard has TDS.

              There are NO good guys in DC.

      2. Trump is too stupid to even know

        All those folks who haven’t made it to POTUS yet accusing him of being stupid. At least they are all billionaires too. OH? Not that either? But Trump is stupid.

    2. I must say that I love the way he rolls

  4. But he worries that deal could be scuttled by uncorroborated reports that Russia paid bounties to Afghanis who killed U.S. troops, which prompted Republican Liz Cheney to partner with several House Democrats to place conditions on the withdrawal.

    But Orange Man Bad, not the 2 party consensus bad.

    1. Trump is ending the war in Afghanistan. But this guy worries the baseless slander that Russia paid bounties on US troops will stop Trump from doing that.

      So, Trump has agreed to end a war. His opponents have cooked up a bullshit story about Russia paying bounties in hopes of stopping that. And from that we are supposed to conclude Trump is the war monger?

      What the fuck is wrong with our education system that it would produce anyone who thinks that is rational or persuasive?

      1. What’s worse is that these people are employed.

        Companies clearly only give the slightest shit about their products.
        They don’t want talent or competence, they want obedience and collective conceit

        1. This is why Marxism should be criminalized.

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      2. John, I am still waiting for your outrage about Tucker Carlson’s head writer being a rampant racist. I was sure I would hear some outrage here from someone. I am disappointed.

        1. I don’t want Tucker Carlson and am not privy to the voices in your head. So, I have no fucking idea what you are talking about. If you are outraged by Tucker Carlson, then be outraged. Why do you need me to do it for you.

          1. I don’t want Tucker Carlson

            Well, I didn’t accuse you of that, but ok. If you say so. Lol.

            1. I don’t watch him either. And I frankly don’t really care what he has to say. Again, what the fuck are you talking about and why is it my problem?

        2. Did the head writer actually write anything racist? Or was he participating in a discussion thread and directly responding to someone writing racist crap? I haven’t seen the thread, and these days, both sets of actions are likely equally culpable.

          1. If you don’t go out of your way to look it up and demand he be fired you’re racist!

            1. Soooo… Tucker Carlson himself didn’t say anything racist, just a guy who works for him. So yeah, crucify the SOB.

              1. What was that church that Obo attended in Chicago?

            2. The two lines in question that Esquire chose to quote, ” “I wouldn’t get LASIK from an Asian for free, so no.” And, “Black doods staying inside playing Call of Duty is probably one of the biggest factors keeping crime down.”

              He’s an idiot on the first one, and considering Asian prevalence in the medical profession, which I doubt he’s ignorant of, my first guess is he was taken way out of context. For the second, it’s likely the exact reason violent crime was low during the pre-Floyd, cops sitting on their asses, can’t go anywhere lockdown periods. Sorry if the truth offended Esquire.

              Young black men commit a giant share of violent crime in this country. If they’re cooped up in their homes, unable to interact in person with others, the violent crime rate is going to fall.

              I saw the quotes and thought, “That’s it?” Is the author of the article (and Boeing management, going back to the other story) advocating for the immediate firing of anyone older than 40? Because I’ve told far more offensive jokes and comments over the years. I just didn’t have social media to permanently memorialize those comments, nor a worthless sack of shit to run to Teacher when they got offended.

              Oh, and let me know when the spotlight of piety gets turned onto the truly hideous shit that comes out of a lot of minorities’ mouths. So far, this identity politics banhammer is only smacking one side. Well, unless the minority starts bagging on Jews.

      3. Even if the Russians had done this what do they expect the US to do…are they willing to declare war? We have put sanctions on just about everything they do and the congress has locked down any wiggle room Trump may have had to negotiate with them. The only thing left is go to war, so declare it or shut up, balls in your court congress.

        1. “We have put sanctions on just about everything they do and the congress has locked down any wiggle room Trump may have had to negotiate with them. The only thing left is go to war, so declare it or shut up, balls in your court congress.”

          That. I guess we could sanction Russian O&G, and offer to make up the shortfall to Europe at the same or cheaper prices than Gazprom was screwing them for.

        2. I don’t think they even have any working ICBMs anymore, do they?
          Light ‘Em Up!

          1. Denver, while I know you’re joking, go look up Topol and Bars, the very new, modern ICBM systems the Russian Federation has deployed. In addition, they’ve been working on some really baroque shit involving nuclear-powered cruise missiles and torpedoes. Mainly for the near infinite range such power plants allow.

            Our hair will get mussed.

            1. Oh yeah, I remember those. Aren’t the plans a redo of the missile designs that would kill thousands on the way to the target? Nasty.

              1. So far, it’s done a bang up job of killing Russian citizens. They had a nasty local accident near Murmansk with one. Killed some of the test crew messing with it at dockside.

                Project Pluto was memorable, but a silly idea.

      4. Don’t listen to what Trump says, watch what he does.

        (Hint: He hasn’t brought the troops home.)

        1. “(Hint: He hasn’t brought the troops home.)”

          Interesting. What were the personnel levels in SW Asia when he took office vs. today? I thought they’d dropped.

        2. The troop levels have dropped in both Afghanistan and Iraq and he has an agreement to leave next year. What what do you want?

          1. He wants a TDS cure.

          2. Sure, he pulled some out of Iraq and Afghanistan (but we’re still there). However, numbers in Somalia and Yemen have increased.

      5. He also avoided going to war with Iran, and had the sense to fire Bolton.

      6. Because the same shitty education system produced the imbecile in the White House. If the last 4 years is how he shows what “ending a war” looks like, then there is a major logical disconnect, as we continue to fund and arm a genocide in Yemen, his proxy bullshit in Venezuela failed, and we simply lost Obama’s war in Syria – another place he could pull the troops from. As well as Sudan, Somalia.

        He has been no different than his warmonger predecessors. He should never have hired Bolton – another stupid move that has come back to bite him on the ass. What in Bolton’s career made anyone thing he wasn’t a pro-war, murderous piece of shit? (Spoiler: nothing.) So he owns that too.

        He didn’t drain the swamp, he drank from it.

        Fuck this stupid motherfucker – the only thing he has going for him is a senile opponent who is as Deep State as it gets.

        1. You don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
          They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

        2. I thought Donald Trump went to Wharton’s finishing school for young gentlemen or something.

        3. “What in Bolton’s career made anyone thing he wasn’t a pro-war, murderous piece of shit? (Spoiler: nothing.) ”

          Bolton claims that it was his appearances on FOX that impressed Trump so much. This could well be the extent of Trump’s familiarity with Bolton’s career.

          1. “Bolton claims that it was his appearances on FOX that impressed Trump so much.”

            Cite missing.

            1. You haven’t read Bolton’s latest book, have you? Something about being in a room.

              1. Hey, everybody! Here’s trueman’s concept of a cite:
                I’m to read a book written by a guy who doesn’t like Trump in the hopes of finding something in there which would back trueman’s claim!
                What an amazingly stooooopid thing to suggest!

                1. “I’m to read a book”

                  Sorry that was over the line. You have my permission not to read any books by anyone.

                  1. Keep proving you’re an asshole; no one is going to keep you from digging that hole deeper.

                    1. Bolton claims that it was his appearances on FOX that impressed Trump so much. This could well be the extent of Trump’s familiarity with Bolton’s career.

                    2. “Bolton claims that it was his appearances on FOX that impressed Trump so much. This could well be the extent of Trump’s familiarity with Bolton’s career.”

                      So you claim that someone who dislikes Trump wrote that, and then you add an assumption?
                      Pathetic…..
                      Do you wonder why you’re a laughing-stock here?

              2. The problem with citing Bolton’s self aggrandizing bloviations is that according to him, everyone thought he was awesome until they started doing corrupt things.

                1. “The problem with citing Bolton’s self aggrandizing bloviations is that according to him”

                  The claim is not self aggrandizing, to the contrary, it’s self deprecating. I’m sure if you asked Bolton his most noteworthy achievements, his appearances on FOX tv would be well down the list. Higher on the list would be his record of government service, books he’s written and so on. Self aggrandizing means making oneself appear bigger and better. Self deprecating is the opposite.

        4. Yes, I’m sure the lack of a customary “honeymoon”, the over the top hostility to Trump by the media, the Mueller investigation, the Day One frame up of General Flynn, and the “Impeachment” trial in no way, shape, or form, had any effect on Trump’s ability to enact his foriegn policy goals. Like that stupid weekend warrior who thought that the “interagency” was in charge of foriegn policy.
          Yup, Orange Man is not only Bad, but incompetent, because he can’t single handedly fight against the entire Military Intelligence Industrial Complex while simultaneously barely hanging onto office by his fingernails. What an abysmal failure.

          1. He is clearly overmatched, and unable to cite any facts to support his positions, which even when he is right, are like a broken clock twice a day right.

            He has unwittingly exposed the rot that is the Beltway crowd, but nobody cares unless it affects their guy. Democrat, Republican – it’s all the same donor pandering bullshit. Elections in this country are largely nonsense – unless your vote comes with a few million attached to it, you can wipe your ass with your ballot for all it is worth.

            I hate Trump, but he is so far from being “the” problem that all the TDS idiots think he is. He is just another in a long line of losers to occupy the Big Chair. In fact, at least he can hide behind being a dumbass. Obama was like “Show me what I have to do to cash in and I’ll be your little corporate whore.” He knew he was going to get paid and made sure he followed orders.

            I’d say fuck them all, but unfortunately, it’s more like they all fuck us instead. Liars and assholes every damned one of them.

            1. Alcoholics swear they can quit drinking and fucking lefty TDS victims swear it’s your problem, not theirs.
              Well your fucking ignoramus, you don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
              They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

            2. Oh, and MVP? Stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company.

              1. You must have an IQ lower than Trump’s to think he has any answers.

                We’re talking about a guy who paid a shit ton of money to fuck a porn star and then calls her “horse face” – who is stupid enough to pay to fuck someone he thinks is “horse face”? Although I agree – in looks, she is nothing special at all – bleached blond hair and big tits – BFD.

                He is as pathetic in his own way as all the other Beltway garbage. His first term is an epic fail, and his only chance is that Biden is as stupid as he is.

                America is going down…just another crumbling empire. ANd a moron can’t fix that.

                Yeah, a fucking genius.

                1. “ You must have an IQ lower than Trump’s to think he has any answers.”

                  This is the same shit you and the rest of the brainlets used to say about Bush. On and on with the Dumb Bush Jokes except now it’s Trump. Trump, whether you like him or not, has accomplished something only 44 other people in American history have achieved. What have you, me or anyone else for that matter, done close to that? Trump is a lot of things, but possessing a low IQ is certainly not one of them. I agree with Christopher Hitchens when he said Bush jokes are the jokes stupid people laugh at. I believe that’s the same for Drumpf jokes. Laugh away you stupid cunt.

            3. Everything is so terrible and unfair.

      7. “Trump is ending the war in Afghanistan.”

        Perhaps ending US troop presence, if he has the resolve. I’m not sure ‘ending the war’ is in the cards. The fighting hasn’t stopped and is likely to continue even if the US withdraws, just as it did after the Soviets pulled out.

        1. So he’s supposed to be the dove of peace?

          1. That takes time and commitment. Doesn’t make particularly good TV, either.

            1. Should he also end world hunger?

              1. Did he promise to? I don’t remember him campaigning on ending world hunger.

                1. Did he promise to bring peace to the world? Are you trying to prove how stupid lefty assholes can be?

                  1. I think the war will continue in Afghanistan even if Trump manages to withdraw American forces from Afghanistan. And he never promised to end world hunger in case you weren’t sure.

                    1. I’m pretty sure that most Americans interpreted Trump’s promise to end the war in Afghanistan as meaning ending US involvement with the war.

                    2. I really do not care what a fucking ignoramus like you pretends to “think”.
                      Fuck off.

                    3. “I’m pretty sure that most Americans interpreted Trump’s promise to end the war in Afghanistan as meaning ending US involvement with the war.”

                      Very likely. It seems to be John’s interpretation. I am simply pointing out that the war will likely continue whether or not Trump manages to withdraw the US troops.

                    4. Yup. Ignorant boy raping shepherds will continue to fight over who controls the mountains of boy raping Sheperdstan. Hopefully, one day they can have an actual civilization. Until then, there is no reason (drink!) for young Americans to die in some boy-raping shithole on the other side of the planet.

                  2. “…I am simply pointing out that the war will likely continue whether or not Trump manages to withdraw the US troops.”

                    So you think posting irrelevant bullshit is appropriate to your claims?
                    I do too; you post bullshit, sophistry and little else.
                    Fuck off; no one cares about your blog outside of you and your mommy.

                  3. “Very likely. It seems to be John’s interpretation. I am simply pointing out that the war will likely continue whether or not Trump manages to withdraw the US troops.”

                    Yes, and the sun comes up in the east, water is wet, and trueman is a bullshitter hoping to get another click on his lame blog.
                    Fuck off.

                    1. Sorry came up from the bottom and didn’t see that I’d called trueman’s bullshit already.
                      But his bullshit is such that it should be called early and often!

                    2. I suspect the war in Afghanistan will continue whether or not US troops are withdrawn.

          2. No, just get us out of illegal, immoral, regime change wars.

      8. You mean ending it by keeping the same number of troops there that were there under Obama, right? Obama reduced the cumulative number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan by 94% compared to his predecessor who started two wars that he basically ended. But what I’ve learned from commentators like you, John, is that we need to blame Obama for pulling troops out of Iraq and, at the same time, realize him as the principle warmonger of the last 50 years. Almost worse than FDR. I get it, John… I get it.

        1. Your cites fell off because of your stupidity.

        2. “Obama reduced the cumulative number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan by 94% compared to his predecessor…”
          Yeah, I call bullshit.

        3. Well, I guess if you leave out “The Surge”. And Somalia, Libya, and Sudan. Oh, and Syria. And the operation in Ukraine.

          Yeah, that Nobel Prize for Peace was really deserved in advance.

          Obama was/is a war criminal. You have to be. It’s become part of the POTUS job description.

          1. “It’s become part of the POTUS job description.”

            Fortunately Trump has yet to do so.

            1. He is a murderer just like his 3 predecessors.

  5. Orange Man Bad??!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!

    We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!

    See The Atlantic article by using the below search-string in quotes:
    “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…

    https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/

    He pussy-grab His creditors in 7 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!

    All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!

    Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!

    Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!

    We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!

    These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!

      1. Clear, crisp sound.

      2. And sometimes dead is better. Squirrelly proves that point for me.

  6. “”I think Trump has moved America considerably closer to peace,” says Russell. “At the very same time, he’s moved us into more wars. So it’s a terribly mixed bag.””

    Um…What?

    What wars has Trump gotten us into? I mean actually deploying troops somewhere to fight. Not wars of rhetoric or whatever.

    As near as I can tell, the most belligerent “new” thing he did was bomb an Iranian who was in a region the US is already deployed. Is that really it?

    1. It’s not libertarian to speak ill of China.

      1. Speaking ill of China is perfectly libertarian.

        Advocating for socialist protectionism because you hate China, on the other hand, that flunks both the capitalist test and the one on logic.

        P.S. People who waste their lives living in their parents’ basements, playing video games and smoking pot all day are fuckin’ losers. No, that doesn’t mean I support the drug war–at all.

    2. That incident was a fantastic example of TDS in action. Watching the pundit and political class whip around changing positions in reaction to Trump’s actions was highly entertaining.

      When it looked like he was going to bomb Iran in response to the attacks on Saudi Arabia, CNN, MSNBC et all rushed to condemn him as a war monger… then when he pulled the plug at the last minute they ran out to call him a wimp who refused to stand up for our allies … all within minutes…. Then when they killed one of our contractors he was a Russian stooge who wouldn’t defend … ooops, they just blew up an Iranian general! He’s gonna get us into world war III!!! (literally, WWIII was the go-to analysis for all mainstream outlets). Then, when Iran launched missiles, he was confirmed to have started WWIII! And THEN, when he didn’t escallate – suddenly he was a stooge again.

      This was all over a period of just a few weeks, but many of the 180 degree about-face maneuvers took place over the course of hours or even minutes.

    3. “a region the US is already deployed”

      You’re talking about Iraq, I take it. One country I haven’t heard anything about Trump’s withdrawing troops from. Why not, you may well ask. Seems that Trump has fallen victim to what economists call the sunken cost fallacy. During the Bush and Obama years, America poured billions of dollars into the construction of a handful of military bases in Iraq. According to Trump, we can’t afford to leave. At least, presumably, until we get our money’s worth out of them. In the meantime they provide a wide variety of wicked people (and some ‘very fine people’) with opportunities for sitting duck target practice.

      1. “…According to Trump, we can’t afford to leave…”

        I’m sure you have a cite for that claim, right?

              1. Oh, goody. Once again trueman suggests reading a book written by someone who doesn’t like Trump in the hopes that the reader might find a quote which supports trueman’s claim.
                What.
                A.
                Fucking.
                Idiot.

                1. “Once again trueman suggests reading a book ”

                  My apologies. You did ask for a cite. Next time you should be more careful.

                  1. “My apologies. You did ask for a cite. Next time you should be more careful.”

                    You should apologize. Suggesting ‘reading a book’ by a biased source is in no way a cite and even assholes as ignorant as you should know that.
                    In fact, you should probably apologize for acting like a sentient being.

                    1. “You should apologize.”

                      In that case I retract my previous apologies which were disingenuous in any case. Get back to me once you’ve read Bolton’s book.

  7. This whole article is garbage.

    President Trump pushed through sales to the Saudis so we wouldn’t need to fight Iran and their allies in places like Yemen.

    President Trump was willing to coordinate with Putin and his allies (Assad, Iran, and their cronies, Hezbollah) in order put down ISIS in Syria–so we wouldn’t need to officially invade Syria and put down ISIS ourselves.

    President Trump pulled our troops out of harm’s way in Syria to avoid our participation when the Turks opened up a new front in the Syrian civil war–so we wouldn’t get involved directly.

    When Iran attacked our allies as their oil went through the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf, President Trump did nothing. When Iran further tried to provoke the Trump administration into responding when it attacked Saudi oil production facilities within Saudi Arabia, President Trump did nothing. The Trump administration finally retaliated when the Iranians targeted and killed American contractors, and for finally retaliating in response to American deaths, Trump’s critics called him a warmonger. I opposed what Trump did in that situation for fear that it might have proved to instigate a terrorist response from Hezbollah and Iran’s other allies, but President Trump wasn’t seeking an escalation of hostilities. What he did with that response was in the hope that it would end Iran’s series of escalations, and it did.

    Since then, President Trump has sought to decrease the number of American troops in the region–stating that Iran’s threat has been diminished by the sanctions and the pandemic.

    President Trump has also sought to decrease troops levels in Germany. That isn’t because he’s committed to peace so much as that he’s sick of the Germans steadfastly refusing to pay for their fair share of their own defense even while they conduct their economic and foreign policies in ways that are not in the best interests of their allies–but if President Trump is more concerned about whether U.S. taxpayers are paying more than their fair share for Germany’s defense than he is about readiness for future adventures, then how can we call him a warmonger for that?

    President Trump’s pragmatism makes him the best president we’ve had from a non-interventionist standpoint since I don’t know when–probably before the end of the Cold War. Trump’s refusal to get involved in Syria stands with Reagan’s withdraw from Lebanon, Bush Sr.’s refusal to remove Saddam Hussein from power, and Clinton’s refusal to invade Rwanda as among the best choices for non-interventionism since the end of the Vietnam War. He’s certainly a refreshing change from the neoconservative adventurism of Bush Jr. and Obama, and if Joe Biden takes his place, there’s no good reason to think that Joe Biden is as pragmatic as President Trump has been.

    Certainly, if Hillary Clinton had been the president, rather than working with Putin to defeat ISIS, we’d have gone to war in Syria–and we wouldn’t have fared any better than we did in Iraq, probably much worse.

    1. Calling this article garbage is an insult to garbage. Their bitch is Trump didn’t just immediately end all US involvement overseas the day he entered office and instead too the graduated approach you just describe. Yet, the claim is “Trump is too impulsive to bring us peace”. It is just fucking pathetic.

      1. It comes from the idea that conflict in the world is caused by the US growing its weight around, not that their are unpleasant governments who are pursuing their own dark interests.

        1. Yes it does. Reason is incapable of seeing anyone but the US being wrong in any conflict. They honestly believe that no one would ever mean the US harm and that the only reason we are at war anywhere ever is because we choose to be so. It is astoundingly stupid and narcissistic.

          1. It’s fundamental leftism

          2. The defund the police mentality owes something to that, too. I have no love for the drug war, but without the police, no, rape, murder, and armed robbery wouldn’t just dry up and go away.

            Because I opposed the Iraq War doesn’t mean I think the U.S. is always the cause of every problem either. In fact, one of the reasons I opposed the Iraq War was because it took away from our ability to counter threats that were much greater to American security than Iraq–like Iran, a real terrorist state with a real WMD program.

            Yes, if it weren’t for the United States, Iran would still be a serious threat to its neighbors and the region, and they already are a threat in Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen, with little or none of that having to do with the United States. Meanwhile, President Trump turning to relatively peaceful counters to that threat like sanctions and selling weapons to our allies is a testament to his lack of warmongering.

            And it might be pointed out that real warmongers, like John McCain, hated President Trump specifically because he’s the opposite of a warmonger.

            1. Don’t forget Bill Kristol. Not sure how Trump got Lindsey Graham on his side though.

              1. Because miss Lindsay lost his daddy when McCain died.
                He tries to suck up to Trump, but he’s still a little neocon who bitches at times like a neverTrumper

                1. I’ll go with Graham as an all-time suck-up. He knows how to curry favor. Trump has power, Graham will suck up to be near it. When Obama had power, Graham was happy to build a bridge. That’s just how he rolls.

              2. Because Trump and Graham both think they’re no longer the dumbest fucktard in the room when the other one is there.

                1. You don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
                  They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

              3. Not sure how Trump got Lindsey Graham on his side though.

                Lindsey is righteously angry at the evidence he sees of an actual coup in progress. Anything before was actually that christian naivete of believing the best in everyone and treating them as if their intentions are good.

                Sen Graham took the red pill

        2. To a dirty progtard, the US is the source of all evil in the world. Even though the reality is that progtards are responsible for a very large amount of it.

      1. That link is a joke.

        Were you trying to be funny?

        I invoke Poe’s Law.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

          1. “But two hours after Mohannad left his mother’s side, an airstrike by the U.S.-led coalition destroyed the apartment building, killing Lattuf’s entire family.”

            “The groups found that coalition strikes killed at least 1,600 civilians.”

            Are you talking about airstrikes perpetrated by our allies?

            Were these Saudi or Turkish planes? Do you know?

            Are you blaming everything done by our allies on President Trump?

            Do you imagine that there wouldn’t have been a civil war going on in Syria if it weren’t for President Trump or that the people fighting against ISIS wouldn’t have been fighting against ISIS if it weren’t for President Trump–so he’s to blame?

            What exactly are you alleging here?

            1. There wouldn’t be a civil war in Syria if it weren’t for Obama (and HRC and others)…

              1. Yes there would.

                The Arab Spring would have happened regardless of who was president and regardless of whether we invaded Iraq.

              2. It’s funny how democrats, who have oceans of blood on their hands, dare to blame others for their stupidity and evil.

            2. What part of “US-led coalition” don’t you understand?

              This is like when George Bush started outsourcing government work to contractors to “reduce the size of government.”

              1. I don’t understand why President Trump is to blame for every bad thing that happens, especially when we were already dealing with a conflict that would have happened without our presence or support.

                Incidentally, FDR wasn’t responsible for everything Stalin did just because we were allies, and Ronald Reagan wasn’t responsible for everything Pinochet did just because we were allies, too. Because your favorite propaganda outlet wants to blame President Trump and the USA for everything bad that happens in the world doesn’t make it so.

                Meanwhile, President Trump managed to have ISIS defeated without a U.S. invasion of Syria–because of his aversion to U.S. involvement. If you don’t see the upside of that from an non-interventionist standpoint, it’s because you don’t want to see it.

                Either not bombing, invading, and occupying Iraq was better or it wasn’t, and I maintain that not invading and occupying Syria was better–and that the reason we didn’t invade and occupy Syria was because of President Trump’s commitment to non-intervention.

                He certainly didn’t avoid a full scale invasion of Syria because he’s a warmonger.

                1. He’s not to blame. But he didn’t change the course of our foreign policy, which was the primary hope I had with him winning. Well, that, and ruining HRC’s coronation party.

                  1. Maybe not too terribly much from the Bush era, but it is a stark contrast with Obama’s ever-expanding wars without so much as a nod and a wink from congress.

                    It also proves that disengaging from the tar baby is much more difficult than throwing the first punch – as Brer Rabbit would happily have told you if anyone had bothered to ask.

                  2. “He’s not to blame. But he didn’t change the course of our foreign policy, which was the primary hope I had with him winning.”

                    It’s almost like you’re completely unaware that President Trump inked a deal with the Taliban to get us out of Afghanistan.

                    1. “The US and the Taliban have signed an “agreement for bringing peace” to Afghanistan after more than 18 years of conflict.”

                      —-BBC

                      February 29, 2020

                    2. “The Defense Department announced Tuesday that U.S. troops have withdrawn from five military bases and reduced the size of its forces in Afghanistan as part of the agreement reached with the Taliban in February.”

                      —-The Hill

                      July 14, 2020

                      https://thehill.com/policy/507378-pentagon-us-has-withdrawn-from-5-bases-in-afghanistan-after-taliban-agreement

                    3. We need to keep our opinions grounded in facts.

                    4. Well, yeah…. but other than that, what has he done?

                      I mean, he spent way more time screwing around with house subcommittee investigations than he did on peace deals.

                  3. But he didn’t change the course of our foreign policy,

                    “Trump less transformational than Alexander The Great or Hitler; Fail!” – MVP

                    1. He’s even less transformational than the wolfman, or the Incredible Hulk

                  4. “He’s not to blame. But he didn’t change the course of our foreign policy, which was the primary hope I had with him winning.”

                    Oh, you poor, poor victim!

          2. Chipper Morning Wood———————
            July.15.2020 at 3:46 pm
            “Airstrikes in Raqqa, Syria in 2017 under Trump killed 1600 civilians.”

            Let us know if you need a new shovel; no one here is going to stop you from digging that hole deeper.

    2. I think this is an area where Trump deserves praise, not criticism. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It would be great to bring all of our troops home on day 1, but that wasn’t a realistic expectation. Focus on the positives. Trump hasn’t put US troops on the ground in any new locations. He has helped negotiate a path on withdrawal from Afghanistan, and by all accounts I’ve seen we are on a path towards full withdrawal at the end of the 14 months. He avoided escalating our involvement in Syria.

      To all his faults, this is one where he’s been considerably better than any President in recent memory.

      1. Too often “The Perfect” (as in silly Utopian thought) is, indeed, the reason we get into the crap and can’t get out.

      2. He ramped up troop levels in both Syria and Afghanistan; then whenever he has pulled back troops, many were troops he added – research it.

        He’s just not a smart enough person, with no depth, to be able to stand up to the evil minds that actually run this country. No doubt he is up against it, and the press misrepresents as much as they can to the gullible and ignorant American public, but when you are as stupid as he is, there is no chance.

        We wasted probably our one and only shot for an outsider on an idiot. He can’t have ever read a book in his life, because he literally knows nothing about any topic. I had no idea how dumb he was until he was elected…and I even met him once back in the 1990s.

        1. “he literally knows nothing about any topic”

          You shouldn’t call someone stupid if you don’t know what literally and nothing mean.

          1. I do, and he doesn’t.

            Although I retract the part about reading a book – I’m sure he has tackled a comic book or two.

            He is one ignorant, stupid, motherfucker. And I did not have that opinion of him until I had more exposure to him. Before then I just knew he was a poser rich guy.

        2. You don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
          They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

          1. Some of us (MANY of us!) are infected with PRO-Trump TDS! It’s a fact of life which is all too neglected, on these comment pages!

            In the eyes of those infected and afflicted with PRO-Trump TDS, Der TrumpfenFuhrer is non less than OUR SAVIOR! (He saves us from the consequences of our own sanity, from the results of trying our best, to live in the REAL world, and the results are manifestly NOT good or beneficial, to all but the Tumpian Palace Guard!)

            1. Spaz can be ignored.

              1. When I see the Sqrlsy syntax my brain goes static, finger automatically scrolls.

            2. Squirrelly, you should try being dead for a year. For tax purposes.

    3. President Trump’s pragmatism makes him the best president we’ve had from a non-interventionist standpoint since I don’t know when–probably before the end of the Cold War.

      Since Warren G Harding, in my reading of US history.

    4. “President Trump pushed through sales to the Saudis so we wouldn’t need to fight Iran and their allies in places like Yemen.”

      America needing to fight Iran? Who else does America need to fight? And since when did John Bolton start commenting here?

      ” he’s sick of the Germans steadfastly refusing to pay for their fair share of their own defense ”

      Germany also needs to fight Iran, though they don’t know it, apparently.

      “there’s no good reason to think that Joe Biden is as pragmatic as President Trump has been”

      2020 – the end of the American empire is probably going to rein in any overseas adventurism. What with pestilential chickens coming home to roost and the economy in a shambles.

      I agree that it’s a bit harsh calling Trump a war monger. I think his anti-war sentiments are sincere. His problem is weakness and irresolution. The pro war folks in Washington are smarter and more determined.

      1. “…” he’s sick of the Germans steadfastly refusing to pay for their fair share of their own defense ”
        Germany also needs to fight Iran, though they don’t know it, apparently…”

        Are you devoted to non-sequiturs, or just not real bright?

    5. The United States government has no business whatsoever warring in the middle east.

      The idea that the middle part of north America should be the hedgemon of southwest Asia is absurd.

      Say what you will about the evils of Middle Eastern governments, its not my job as a tax payer in the middle of the United States to pay for the liberation of countries thousands of miles from me.

    6. This writer has Iran/Kingdom of Saudi Arabia backwards. Iran is not the threat in the ME, Israel is. Hezbollah is a self defense militia who forms alliances with everyone except Zionists. They have defeated the IDF twice and drove Israel out of Lebanon.
      Iran represents a 4000 year civilization; Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States were cobbled together by the rest from beduin tribes in the 1930″s. Iran is marginally better than KSA on all human rights fronts, much better on women’s rights. People can worship in Iran, and Iran has the 2nd largest Jewish population after Israel in the region. No other religion except Sunni Islam is permitted in KSA.
      The fact is while I applaud Trump for some of his non interventionism, especially his desire to come to detente with Russia, he has filled his administration with Orthodox Jews and Dispensationalist Christians who Put Israel, not America, first.

      1. “…Iran is not the threat in the ME, Israel is…”

        Oh, goody! One more antisemitic bigot.
        Fuck off.

        1. Maybe it’d Ice-T or DeSean Jackson?

      2. Is he a Rob Misek sock?

  8. Maybe, it is considerably more complicated to disengage from these interventions honorably than the naivety of the radical pacifists would have it.

    Maybe, the government of China is a bad actor on the world stage and appeasing them makes war more likely, not less.

    1. I’m with you.

  9. Reason has become infested with old children. It would be nice if adults came back.

  10. “Mass murderer?” That’s about as clownish a line as I’ve seen and I see a lot from “The Squad’s” loons.

  11. You had to be a complete sucker to believe that Donald J. “Bomb the shit out of them and take their oil” was ever going to be a “peacenik.” The only reason Trump ever ends a military engagement is out of boredom — the same reason he ends his brief flashes of engagement with all other aspects of U.S. policy.

    1. Well spoken.

    2. “You had to be a complete sucker to believe that Donald J. “Bomb the shit out of them and take their oil” was ever going to be a “peacenik.”..”

      I see your cite fell off, but your idiocy didn’t:
      You don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
      They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

    3. Typical progtard faggot saying something stupid born out of TDS.

  12. Trump is far from ideal, but it seems to me he’s been better on this score than the previous 6 presidents, at least.

    1. Yum, this hippo shit is WAY better than that giraffe shit…

      1. You don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
        They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

  13. That was a really odd article, particularly considering the headline.

    So… Trump has not gotten us into any new entanglements, has worked to disentangle us in Afghanistan and Syria (only to get roundly criticized for being a Russian stooge for doing so)….. And for this Reason proclaims Trump as a warmonger who has failed in his promise to stop endless wars?

    Well… we are libertarians, and it is our god-given right to complain about everything and everyone… but it still seems like a bit much, particularly in the post-Obama “I have a list and a pen” era of drone killing and “I don’t need no stinking congressional involvement” nation toppling and bombing.

    1. “At the very same time, he’s moved us into more wars.”

      For fuck’s sake, if you’re going to say this, you’d better damn well clarify exactly what you mean. If he said more to explain this quote, please quote it, or provide a link to where we can see the full quote. If he did not, but the author agrees with this line, please expound upon what exactly he means. If the author finds this line inaccurate, by all means, either avoid using the quote or else call it out explicitly.

      Is he speaking about the limited logistical (and intelligence) support the US has provided to Yemen? Is he speaking about the increased tensions with Iran that resulted in Iran shooting down one of their own civilian airliners? Is he talking about Trump’s Trade War rhetoric concerning China?

      This is why people are calling this article trash.

  14. Didn’t read it don’t care. It’s not like we are really getting into any new scrapes and all the old ones are from the previous baby boomer presidents. Saber rattling China and Iran is old hat. NK is about dead and starving. I don’t see Trump starting any fights. Plenty of other things libertarians can be pissed about since they never ever get their way on anything nor do they win any real elections.

    1. According to this article, we are starting new wars, though they refused to specify exactly what new wars we’ve started, or clarified what rubric they’re using to qualify something as a war.

    2. ” I don’t see Trump starting any fights.”

      The bizarre claims that places like Germany and South Korea aren’t spending enough on their military have done more damage to US alliances than any fighting.

      1. The bizarre claims that places like Germany and South Korea aren’t spending enough on their military have done more damage to US alliances than any fighting.

        You misspelled “true”.
        Free-riding on the US defense budget should be discouraged.

        1. Because Germany and South Korea both force America to maintain military bases on their soil? No. Trump could close them down and save a lot more money than he could with these attempted shake downs.

          1. Move them goal-posts; bullshit and sophistry is all you got.

            1. “bullshit and sophistry is all you got”

              It’s more than enough to argue your sorry ass into bluster and insults.

              1. “It’s more than enough to argue your sorry ass into bluster and insults.”

                Bluster you get none, insults you get not nearly enough, you pathetic excuse for a human.
                But it is more than enough to keep proving you’re a pretender to any sort of honest engagement.

                1. More bluster and insults. You’re not even trying.

                  1. More bullshit; you have nothing else.

              2. You have no argument to begin with. If you’re being insulted, it’s because you say ridiculous things, and that makes you very insultable.

                Seriously, what did you expect? Given the. Drivel you write, Sevo was actually being relatively kind. You should apologize and thank him.

        2. Germany is treaty bound to spend 2.5% of their GDP providing for their own defense as part of NATO membership. They (and most NATO allies outside the US and the UK) have not met that mark. At the same time the criticize the US for our military spending. And when the US has threatened to pull out of Germany, they threw a hissy fit. Maybe actually understand what you are talking about before spouting off.

          1. “…Maybe actually understand what you are talking about before spouting off…”
            This is trueman, who, years ago, claimed Ukrainians were notorious collaborationists with the Nazis.
            I asked for a cite and got a snotty ‘I don’t do cites’, which is a clear indicator of ‘I have my head up my ass’
            There are now something close to 250 books on WWII on the shelves (it casts a long shadow, and is one of my interests), and trueman has yet to provide one cite, other than the upthread bullshit of ‘read Bolton’s book; it’s in there somewhere’.
            This is a bullshitter, hoping someone will buy that pile of shit.

            1. “I asked for a cite ”

              That’s true. But it’s also true you don’t want cites. For you, asking for cites is simply a way to deflect. You won’t admit this, but you’re not fooling anyone. When I give you a cite, you ignore it and resort to your old standby of ad hominem.

              And you need to actually read those books. Just setting them on your shelf is not doing you any good. Check them for ‘hiwis,’ the volunteer forces which fought with the German army. Ukrainians were by no means the only people who collaborated with the Nazis. The French did, as did the British. You’d know this if you’d read any of your history books.

          2. Is 2.5% of GDP enough? Wouldn’t spending 2.6% make them (and us) even safer? Sorry and thank you.

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  16. Part of the problem with Trump is he doesn’t even know where half the countries in the world are located. The fact that Secretary Tillerson and the Generals tried to sit him down for some remedial geography and then failed tells the whole story.

    1. Assholes like this prove you don’t have to ask if someone is infected by TDS; like any other fundamentalist, they’ll tell you at the first opportunity.
      They wake up in the morning hating trump, go to bed at night doing the same. It is their LIFE!

  17. Trump is a mess, but at least he has yet to start a new war. Obama and Hillary destroyed Africa’s most prosperous nation. Imagine a protest to condemn these 40,000 black lives lost in Libya. They also overthrew the government of Somalia. Our media overlooks this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Lh4HUyudk

    1. A country that voluntarily ended their nuclear weapons program and denounced terrorist after 9/11. It’s no wonder Iran doesn’t want to end their nuclear program. They see what happens when they do.

  18. “But after Iran fired back, Trump backed off.”
    Lol. Yeah, that’s an accurate description. You might also say “After Iran launched a pitiful countermeasure for domestic propaganda uses, Trump wisely refused to engage the terrorist regime in a pointless game of one-upmanship, and spared the lives of dozens of innocent enlisted Iranian troops.”
    Yours is shorter, though, so there’s that.

    1. Has Trump’s actions curtailed Iranian efforts at developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles is the question. I’m glad that Trump is smart enough not to get dragged into another losing war in the region. But what is the whole conflict about if not to undo Obama’s agreement with Iran, which supposedly gave Iran a free hand in going nuclear and threatening just about everyone.

      1. “Has Trump’s actions curtailed Iranian efforts at developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles is the question.”
        Gee, asshole, I’m glad you’re here to tell us what ‘the question’ is.
        No , it isn’t; fuck off.

        “I’m glad that Trump is smart enough not to get dragged into another losing war in the region. But what is the whole conflict about if not to undo Obama’s agreement with Iran, which supposedly gave Iran a free hand in going nuclear and threatening just about everyone.”
        Well, gee, Trump hasn’t yet found a way to bring peace and tranquility to the NE! Shame on him!

        1. Yeah, I gotta back Sevo on this one. The middle east has been at war for at least 4k years- blaming Trump seems… stupid?

          1. The nuclear programs in North Korea and Iran have not been curtailed by Trump’s efforts. Isn’t that a failure? You are correct to praise Trump for his refusal to respond to tit for tat provocations, but there is a bigger game afoot, is my point. An Iran or North Korea capable of obliterating American cities is a much greater threat than losing an unmanned drone that strays into foreign airspace.

      2. Pretty sure what’s curtailing Iranian nuclear production is the Mossad, probably with CIA backing in some form or another which Trump probably authorized, blowing their shit up every time they get anywhere.

  19. In Zachs own article he has to admit that Democrats forced Trump to keep troops from being withdrawn.

    Trump can theoretically order all troops pulled out overnight. In reality, military forces rarely leave a location that fast, which gives Congress enough time to refuse to fund a withdrawal and contact the traitors in the media to draft a propaganda lie going after Trump.

    Election 2020 is gonna be so sweet when Trump gets reelected.

  20. Yes, my laugh of Schadenfreude has little to do with Trump, himself, although he has made some good decisions. Mostly, it’s a matter of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
    I’m pretty convinced that DJT, warts and all, is the only thing between us and pure Orwellian bullshit.

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  22. I had 3 Huey Lewis albums as a yute: and, as a yute myself, such a mullet! OMG, my hair was 80’s epic! Sigh. I still have hair. About as half as I did in high school. Fuck aging.

    1. “…Fuck aging…”
      Nope.
      *IF* you continue your education, you learn that certain things prove to be true, and other things are fads or outright bullshit.
      We’ll all end up dead, but if we can successfully oppose Tony, JFree, trueman, that woodchipper asshole and the lot, the world will be a better place.

    2. “Fuck aging.”

      It beats the alternative.

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  24. We’re already at war with China. They’ve been at it for decades. Reason doesn’t comprehend it because they think it’s free trade.

  25. Trump is incrementally better regarding endless wars than past presidents. Mind you he is only incrementally better because he has exposed and started the dialog. With real substantive changes he is closer to past presidents, but has threatened the military industrial complex several times.

    I can see that the battle with the swamp of the military industrial complex could be dicey and complex. Unfortunately, I do not believe that Trump is enough of a ideologue for ending foreign entanglements and Biden is definitely not a proponent.

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  28. A quarter million dead? Libertarians on this very site say half a million dead Americans is acceptable so that they can keep their job at Subway, so what’s a little war?

    Trump campaigned on killing more civilians in the Middle East (“You have to take out their families”), delivered on that campaign promise, and nobody who voted for him seems to care or notice. Granted, the media doesn’t either, especially the media they consume. One campaign promise fulfilled: reduced standards for war crimes. You must be so proud.

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  30. Trump was an improvement as compared to Bush and Obama in trying to reduce our presence in the Middle East. The Lincoln Project has been created, by a few Republicans longing for the days of Dick Cheney. No surprise one of the leaders is his daughter. I am not a big fan of Trump but he is better than Joe Biden, who is waiting to push Russia and be more Marxist than any president in recent years, if ever.

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