Does Trump Have a Point About Asylum?: Podcast

Reason editors check their premises on immigration.


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(Republican) president from 1981 to 1989, during a 1980 debate: "Open the borders both ways."

(Republican) president from 2017 to the present, this morning: "We will close the Border permanently if need be."

Latest Reason Podcast, editors' roundtable edition: Let's talk about all this and more!

Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, Peter Suderman and Matt Welch today tackle some of the thorniest questions in our country's never-ending immigration debate: Does President Donald Trump have a point about the 1,700 percent jump in asylum seekers? Does Hillary Clinton have a point about the left abetting the populist right through failures of both policy and engagement? Do high immigration levels lead to the very degradation of social trust that certain people (cough, cough) keep yammering on about?

Along the way we also discuss balloon murder, Steven Pinker's hair, and our own insufferable Thanksgiving political conversations.

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Relevant links from the show:

"'We Will Close the Border Permanently If Need Be,'" by Elizabeth Nolan Brown

"Trump's Border Lawlessness," by Shikha Dalmia

"Donald Trump Fails to Confront the Truth About the Migrant Caravan," by Shikha Dalmia

"Why the Obsession with the Migrant Caravan, Mr. President?" by Nick Gillespie

"The Factual and Rhetorical Silliness of Family Separation Whataboutism," by Matt Welch

"Republicans vs. Reagan," by Matt Welch

"Ideology Is Out, Identity Is In," by Nick Gillespie

"Steven Pinker Loves the Enlightenment," by Nick Gillespie

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  1. Does President Donald Trump have a point about the 1,700 percent jump in asylum seekers?

    I might listen to this just to find out if anyone takes up the president’s side in this intellectual exercise.

    1. I’m sure somebody will be along shortly to give their usual rational insights that cut straight to the intellectual heart of the matter. No need to listen to the podcast!

      1. Thank you for the self-fulfilling prophecy.

      2. This one is worth a listen.

        1. They all admit that open borders isn’t a policy based in reality
        2. Nick says America is exceptional and no one argues
        3. Shackleford admits he gives zero fucks about socialists taking over the democratic party

        All in one hour! and all it took was Hillary Clinton saying the exact same thing Trump’s being saying for three years.

  2. No, seriously.

  3. Good thing nothing changed from 1989 to 2018, like the results of Reagan’s Amnesty being observed, the federal debt going up by a dollar or two, 2 new entitlement programs being added, or Medicaid being expanded 10 years ago.

    I guess Trump’s rhetoric was way cooler when spouted by a saxophone playing president in the 90’s. I mean, he wore shades, smoked grass, got bj’s in the oval office and played a fucking sax, so his policies were totes cool.

    I’d like to see a lot more legal immigration, and the work visa program expanded massively, but this crashing the gate bs needs to stop. And very few of these asylum seekers are seeking asylum. They aren’t escaping political persecution or war. They are economic migrants seeking to shortcut the line into the US because they learned to utter the magic word – asylum.

    1. I’d love to see more immigration and work visa programs. And I’d be willing to accept the LGBTQ people fleeing here as asylum seekers. Catholics are really fucking weird about their sexual hangups.

      (As a bonus, it would pull the rug out from under the media and the Democrats about how shitty Republicans are to the community.)

  4. The grocery store analogy underscores a key point: Most of the asylum applications are fraudulent. They’re not applying for asylum because they are refugees. They’re applying for asylum because it’s a magic word that gets you let go after you’re caught.

    That won’t matter to you if you want open borders, and don’t care how you get there. It matters a lot otherwise, and most people are in the otherwise camp.

    1. They finally admitted that open borders is not a policy based in reality

      Thanks Hillary!

  5. So about this tear gas situation. It turns out that tear gas was used about once a month under Obama.

    Where was all the media coverage? The pictures and the video? The hysterical shrieking from pundits? The media is a sick joke.

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