Why America's Prisons Keep Failing
C.J. Ciaramella discusses 250 years of prison reform, the crisis facing state prisons, and whether America can build a more humane system.
Today's guest is C.J. Ciaramella, a Reason reporter whose new cover story traces 250 years of American efforts to build a more humane prison system and the recurring failures that followed.
Nick Gillespie talks with Ciaramella about how the penitentiary system began as a humanitarian alternative to corporal punishment and quickly descended into brutality. They trace the evolution of American prisons through convict leasing, forced labor, overcrowding, and mass incarceration, and discuss why many state correctional systems are now approaching a breaking point. They also discuss the collapse of the bipartisan criminal justice reform movement, what Ciaramella learned from visiting Louisiana's notorious Angola prison, and whether experiments inspired by Scandinavian prisons offer a better way forward.
0:00—Chronicling the history of American prisons
7:08—Humane prison reform
12:11—Why do prison reforms keep failing?
17:16—The prison system and racism
22:23—Angola Prison Rodeo
29:19—Are we coming out of the era of mass incarceration?
32:38—Are American prisons at an inflection point?
37:37—Prison abolitionism and the Democratic Socialists of America
41:44—Bipartisan alliances for criminal justice reform
44:49—Surveillance and the criminal justice system
47:18—The Scandinavian prison model
54:55—Ciaramella's interest in criminal justice
56:41—Prison medical care and family contact
Producer: Paul Alexander
Audio mixer: Ian Keyser
