Dave Smith and Alex Nowrasteh Debate Immigration

Is it consistently libertarian to support government restrictions on immigration?

Dave Smith and Alex Nowrasteh Debate Immigration

Dave Smith and Alex Nowrasteh debate the resolution, "Government restrictions on the immigration of peaceful and healthy people make sense from a libertarian standpoint, especially in present-day America."

Comedian and host of the podcast, Part of the Problem, Dave Smith defends the resolution. Taking the negative is Alex Nowrasteh, the Vice President for Economic and Social Policy Studies at the Cato Institute. He's the coauthor (with Benjamin Powell) of Wretched Refuse? The Political Economy of Immigration and Institutions.

The debate is moderated by Soho Forum Director Gene Epstein.

Comments

[Rick James]

"Government restrictions on the immigration of peaceful and healthy people make sense from a libertarian standpoint, especially in present-day America."

Comedian and host of the podcast, Part of the Problem, Dave Smith defends the resolution.

Well, this'll be a layup. Just read the page on "immigration with massive welfare states" in the "Milton Friedman for Dummies" book, read the last sentence, collect your winnings.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Immigration is a particularly difficult subject. There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story: the supply of immigrants will become infinite. Your proposal that someone only be able to come for employment is a good one but it would not solve the problem completely. The real hitch is in denying social benefits to the immigrants who are here. That is very hard to do, much harder than you would think as we have found out in California.

Milton

What's funny is that open border advocates twist the above because later on Milton talks about the benefits of illegal immigration since they dont get the welfare benefits. But we know this assertion to now be false. They do recieve benefits. They have a cost.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Yeah, illegals are going to buy a $700k house in Dallas with $2k a month operating costs on top of the mortgage payments. Dallas, because 4 months of 100 degree weather with no mountains or beaches is so desirable. /sarcasm

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Retard makes a completely irrelevant comment to the topic because he's a retard that has nothing to add but retardation.

Stop wasting our time and go jump off a bridge.

[I, Woodchipper]

it's a bot. don't engage

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Another annoying NGO? Libertarians Without Borders.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

A record number of apartments and hotel rooms were delivered the last several years…that workforce is why illegal immigration spiked starting in 2019 with a short Covid pause. But the fentanyl deaths and violent crime spiked in 2020 when border crossings were at record low during the Covid pause. So the violent crime spike was due to a group of Americans with more melanin than the Latinos crossing the border. 😉

[Rick James]

LAMA

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[Vernon Depner]

No, it is not consistently libertarian to support secure borders and selective and orderly immigration. That's just one of the reasons why being consistently libertarian is retarded. "Give me liberty or give me death" is an acceptable position for an individual, but it's not an acceptable national policy.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

38: the next several minutes is bullshit.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

39:32 "Immigrants are stomping socialism"

Haha. This is why I've got better things to do with my time than come here.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

40:10 We should build a higher wall around the welfare state.

That's not a real thing. What does this mean, to build a wall around the welfare state? Is this Cato guy retarded?

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Since 2011. Yes. If at CATO it can be assumed.

https://www.georgesoros.com/2011/04/28/why_i_agree_with_some_of_friedrich_hayek/

That's soros at CATO. The same way Karl Marx tried to hijack Adam Smith.

What's funny is before they also got cooped, reason was against it.

https://reason.com/2011/04/29/politics-has-made-george-soros/

My has Welch changed.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

The CIA was made possible by immigration restrictions?

Who the fuck is this guy? Chuck Schumer is impressed by his bullshit.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

41:30 Don't believe me, listen to what Paul Krugman wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is CATO. I really hope you aren't donating your money to CATO so they can quote Paul Krugman in a debate.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

I'm at 52 minutes and all I'm hearing is shit the government shouldn't do to immigrants that it does to citizens. Some of it I've dealt with myself, both at the border and otherwise.

Fucking covid? Fuck you bitch.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Spoiler alert please.

Barely passed the audience refusing to laugh at kamala jokes.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Not done, but Dave is arguing the topic presented, Alex is arguing open borders in a libertarian utopia. See my comment above about the CIA.

Does the American people (tax payer) have a right to control what the government has take from us? Cato says no.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Go to 55 minutes.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

57 min

compares immigration enforcement to drug prohibition.

I'll leave this to everyone as an IQ test and leave it at that.

No I won't. Don't give your money to CATO please.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Haven't listened yet. But many of the immigrants from actual socialist countries have called out the democrats and their welfare combined with open borders policy, warning against it. The CATO like belief system. Import those who disagree with you ideologically in order to import socialism. It is the same method as the long march.

[JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)]

Daves opening argument is from Hoppe.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/07/hans-hermann-hoppe/immigration-and-libertarianism/

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

He's quoted Hoppe numerous times in his podcast.

Also FYI for everyone, you can't change your handle unless you've paid the Reason tribute.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

100:

Compared the right to hire immigrants to gun rights.

The end.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

For the record, I will add my own personal opinion: Without 2A, without the ability to defend our own rights against everyone: any government, our neighbors, foreigners, the groundhog fucking up my shit, rights mean nothing.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

1:12

No comment required.

I'll see you motherfuckers when I see you. Peace out.

[Public Entelectual]

Since Cuba celebrates being a one party Marxist-Leninist one-socialist state, whose Communist Party holds absolute power with the goal of transitioning to a stateless communist society, why must the PPC's minions kill or deport Haitians fleeing ashore to enjoy the welfare and equality denied them at home?