Are The Palestinians Systematically Oppressed?
City University of New York professor Peter Beinart and AEI's Michael Rubin debate Israel and Palestine.
Jewish Currents' editor-at-large Peter Beinart and American Enterprise Institute senior fellow Michael Rubin debate the resolution, "The oppression of Palestinians in non-democratic Israel has been systematic and profound."
Arguing for the affirmative is Beinart, a professor of journalism and political science at the Newmark School of Journalism at the City University of New York. He's a contributing opinion writer for The New York Times, editor-at-large for Jewish Currents, and a political commentator for MSNBC. Beinart has authored several books, including Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza: A Reckoning, which was released in January of this year.
Arguing for the negative is Rubin, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, where he specializes in the Middle East and Africa, and director of policy analysis at the Middle East Forum. He's the author of Dancing with the Devil: The Perils of Engaging Rogue Regimes.
The debate was moderated by Soho Forum director Gene Epstein.
Chapters:
- 00:00 Introduction
- 00:15 The resolution reads…
- 00:55 Beinart's opening statement
- 11:36 Rubin's opening statement
- 28:08 Beinart's rebuttal
- 32:55 Rubin's rebuttal
- 39:45 Q&A
- 1:12:02 Beinart's closing statement
- 1:15:22 Rubin's closing statement
- 1:20:23 Announcements
- 1:25:07 Results
- Editor: John Osterhoudt
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Are The Palestinians Systematically Oppressed?
Of course? A person would have to be utterly ignorant of what their own government does to them to think that they aren't.
Systematic Israeli terrorism, apartheid and oppression of Palestinians since 1948. Now genocide.
The fact is that the International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu for war crimes against Palestinians. He has forever joined that rogues gallery.
He and Trump are best buddies planning to build resorts on the bodies of the Palestinian victims of the Israeli genocide in Gaza.
Israel is on trial in The United Nations international court of justice for committing genocide in Gaza.
The text of the UN genocide convention hasn’t changed since the US and Israel signed it.
And the judicial body responsible for interpreting it has ruled accordingly.
The US and Israel’s signatory responsibility is to RESPECT THAT PROCESS.
They aren’t.
They don’t get to ignore the ICJ’s judicial responsibility and authority when they don’t like it.
That is a violation of their sworn oath’s.
The following 34 nations agree with South Africa that Israel is committing genocide.
14 nations that have formally joined the ICJ case against Israel
South Africa
Bolivia
Maldives
Chile
Türkiye
Spain
Palestine
Mexico
Libya
Columbia
Nicaragua
Ireland
Egypt
Cuba
20 nations that have declared their intention to support the case against Israel
Belgium
Algeria
Bangladesh
Brazil
China
Comoros
Djibouti
Indonesia
Iraq
Jordan
Lebanon
Malaysia
Namibia
Pakistan
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Slovenia
Syria
Venezuela
Zimbabwe
Tldr
Jews bad hitlar good
Did I guess right?
I am truly impressed by your list of shithole countries.
Refuted.
Refuted.
Refuted. And, as always, retarded.
Refuted and muted
I have to admit that I was sort of wondering exactly which of the retarded Nazi trolls I would snare with that particular opener. 😀
In an interesting coincidence of language and happenstance, the Greek root word for "hatred" is "misos", with the verb "to hate" being "miseo". Thus, the word "misanthropy", or "the hatred of other people". Following the "-phobia" / "-phobic" trend, this implies that the term for "hater of Jews" would be either "Judeomisic" or "Judeomisec".
Seems remarkably fitting, doesn't it?
Notice there's never a complaint from Chemjeff, Sarcasmic, Buttplug, Tony/Molly, JFree, Mtrueman, etc. about Misek's genocidal antisemitism here. Even though they're quick to assign it to the only president with Jewish grandkids.
I’m pretty sure Jfree and Mtrueman agree with Herr Misek.
It’s possible the rest just ignore/mute him.
I know I ignore him. He went on the list right after SQRSLY
He might have gone on my mute list before the feces gargling squirrel.
Oh, they definitely ignore them, but they never condemn him. Watch what they do when someone says something positive about MAGA, but when Misek channels Himmler they're all as quiet as mice.
You're just one of the usual idiots. I have Misek on mute. Like an increasing number of you.
As for the rest of you. It's a very dangerous thing for diaspora Jews to align themselves with populist contempt for a fictional cosmopolitan globalist cabal of elites who apparently run the world and are looking to 'replace' the local pitchfork and torch wielding peasantry. That can never end well. Diaspora Jews know that even if Netanyahu finds it more beneficial for his cause to foster ethnonationalism, permawars against Muslims, and weaponize charges of antisemitism in order to silence criticism of Israel.
What Netanyahu has found is that American notions of nonintervention are complete bullshit. Your ilk are on a crusade. For 23 years your ilk has rationalized every possible war against all Muslims anywhere. Never realized how fucking easy it is to manipulate "nonintervention" and turn that into permawarboner.
It really fits very well with a MIC that requires $250 billion per year in labor income and $50 billion per year in profits. DOGE ain't going to go after the Secy of Lockheed.
Refuted, motherfucker.
Refuted, and a pack of outright lies enumerated by an evil psychopath for the benefit of evil psychopaths.
Misek the monster.
You'll be disappointed to know that the British government just released a jaw-dropping report that discovered that October 7 actually happened.
Oh, so now we're supposed to believe government reports? Something something statist. Something something 73rd Amendment.
(Figured I'd save Nick Gillespie and his fans the trouble.)
And I suppose thatyou are fine with the Palestinians waging genocide against the Israelis. Both nationalities are native to that area. Both are entitled to be there. Yet the Palestinians and Arabs in general, want to eliminate the Israelis. They are getting what they deserve.
Intelligent people would try to reach a peaceful agreement. But what does one expect from a 13th century mentality.
Refuted.
And you’re a gutless coward. Plus this isn’t even original. You just keep,spamming the same lies.
You lost me at "I hate Jews."
Hey, shitbag.
How many of the ICJ countries you mentioned are democracy?
How many of the that have declared their intention to support the case against Israel are democracies?
How many Jews are allowed to be represented in an Arab nation's parliament?
How many Israelis were kidnapped by Hamas on 7 October, 2023?
How many Americans were kidnapped by Hamas on 7 October, 2023?
Actually, the answer is no since there are no "Palestinians". Never were, never will be except in the fevered dreams of people that hate Jews and need a vehicle to attack them
What a philistine thing to say.
Hit close to home, did it? Fuck off and take your fake web site with you.
The Romans did rename Israel “Palestine” after the Jewish revolt, as a kind of revenge.
Name the group that lived in the Levant from Syria Palaestina in 63 to 1964 that identified as "Palestinian".
The Philistines? 😀
Who wouldn't want to identify with them?
Nebuchadnezzar II of Neo-Babylonia disappeared the Philistines in 604 BC. 667 years before the Romans created Syria Palaestina.
Yeah, I know, but I just like pointing out the origin of the name. Even if it was oddly circuitous. i.e.: There were the Philistines, whom the Egyptians knew as "Peleset", from which the Greeks came up with "Palestine", and then the Romans ganked it from the Greeks and renamed Judea in whole to that after the Bar Kokhba Revolt.
Though that was in 136, not 63. 😉
Still, the fact that "Philistine" is still used to this day as a synonym for "uncultured brute", it does seem rather fitting.
A magic trick gone wrong?
no they are not because there is no such thing as a palistinian. The terrorists inhabiting that land need to be wiped out root and branch
Will Israel later be redacted from the transcript?
I believe the correct form in the style book is "the Zionist Entity".
Palestine? Good. Everyone hates Palestine. No controversy. Not like the Emma Camp article from 6 am with 110 posts already. Because TRANNIE DANCING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE!
What happened to your original account?
I had to change it because you fags were sending me too much email.
MAPedo Pluggo, I recall it involved you posting links to cp in these comments.
Bullshit. Want to try again?
Nonsense. You would have welcomed email from fags.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
MAPedo Shirke lies again. Can’t wait to turn you in to the feds.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
No, palisitinians are not people. Just ask the Jordanians, the ejyptians, the Iranians, the Pakistani...
I would say yes. After WWI they were ruled by the British. In 1947 the Arab League rejected partition in their name and thus giving up the best chance they had for independence in 100 years in both directions. It should have been a referendum, the Palestinians deserved to choose their own destiny. They were ruled by Egypt and Jordan until 1967. During that time terrorists used the Palestinian name for their hateful cause (PLO). The PLO and other terror groups wrecked havoc in the occupied terrorists leading to the situation we have now.
The Palestinian people have been used as pawns by everyone and the region will not have peace until that stops. Yes they are systematical oppressed. Also, I am a Zionist.
You are a dishonest liar who has shown zero interest in engaging in honest discussion, as best shown by your gob-smacking claim that the first assassination attempt on Trump was an intentional miss by a super marksman. When you can admit you were wrong about that, you will be worthy of engagement.
https://reason.com/2025/03/20/france-accuses-trump-of-booting-space-researcher-over-personal-opinion/?comments=true#comment-10968081
See, and it's commenters like that which are why I am so liberal in my use of the mute button. I just don't need exposure to that sort of pants-on-head retardation. It might be catching!
If you've read an ActBlue missive then you've read all the TonyGodiva posts for the newscycle.
Also, I am a Zionist.
Just like Cythia Nixon and Gamal Abdel Nasser.
"...In 1947 the Arab League rejected partition in their name and thus giving up the best chance they had for independence in 100 years in both directions. It should have been a referendum, the Palestinians deserved to choose their own destiny. They were ruled by Egypt and Jordan until 1967. During that time terrorists used the Palestinian name for their hateful cause (PLO). The PLO and other terror groups wrecked havoc in the occupied terrorists leading to the situation we have now..."
You are certainly a slimy pile of lying TDS-addled shit, and an ignoramus in general, but your supposed 'history' of the region reflects nothing other than antisemitic propaganda.
Read some real history, steaming pile of shit.
I am very well versed in Israeli history. I view the Palestinian people as victims. The PLO, PA, Hamas, Fatah, Arab League, and others have used them as pawns against Israel. I reject the notion that the Palestinians as a people are any different than any other group of people. They deserve a home that is safe and prosperous.
"I am very well versed in Israeli history."
No, not according to my education and not according to the books on my shelves; cite titles and authors for your claims if you wish to be considered other than a lying pile of lefty shit,
From your posts, I'd say you are an ignoramus. In fact, I'm certain you are a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit; you've proven it many times.
Fuck off and die, shit pile.
45 minutes and you are incapable of supporting your claims? Why might that be?
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of lefty shit.
Wow! 11 hours and STILL no support for your bullshit!
No, you are not 'well versed' in anything at all, other than lefty whining.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Keep making comments like that and you risk arrest. I’m sure people in the comments have already reported you.
So, I don't know what else TonyGodiva might have said, but the part you quoted seems pretty accurate. The Arab League did fuck over the Palestinians by refusing to acknowledge even the possibility of the existence of Israel as a state, because they thought they'd be able to push the Jews out. That was basically the entire start of the whole cycle of "Arabs get their asses kicked by Jews and lose more territory" that we're still seeing today. I don't see how it's "antisemitic" to point out that the surrounding nations kept playing FAFO, until they left the Palestinians to it, and the Gazans decided to play FAFO on their own in '23.
My objection to it comes in when the Palestinians and PLO are completely divorced from each other and the Palestinians are just bystanders in their politics through voting and terrorism.
The Palestinians are being used as pawns by their Hamas rulers. They had the ability to reject the Hamas rulers, but didn't. Now they are being used as human shields. That's what they voted for.
I can't remember who it was, but about three weeks ago or so a commenter on here predicted that the communist street vermin in America didn't have it in them to heed James Carvilke's advice to lay low and be patient.
Well, it looks like that commenter nailed it right on the head, the scum have clearly list their minds and are out committing violence and destruction in droves.
Yes. Because they should be. They're terrorists.
They should be happy that they're only being oppressed. What we should do is go kill every single last one of them over the age of 12.
You know who else tried to wipe out an entire population? Yup, Ender Wiggin. You should think long and hard about that.
You do realize that that was a sci-fi novel, right?
Stop playing games lol.
By themselves.
Yeap. Of course the usual idiots blame the jews when many Palestinians blame Hamas.
https://themessenger.com/news/gaza-palestine-humanitarian-aid-hamas-israel-war-al-jazeera-report
Hrm. That link does not work for me. I just get a white screen with "TheMessenger" in large font, and an email address beneath that.
Search for "palestenian blames hamas for taking food supplies"
Here's a different one.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/watch-gaza-woman-tells-al-jazeera-hamas-stealing-all-the-aid/
'Are The Palestinians Systematically Oppressed?'
Uh, sure. And as long as they systemically support their own culture that inflicts violence on others they deserve more oppression.
Palestinians have nobody to blame but themselves. They could have had a two state solution in 1948 but instead chose to revolt and support the Arab invasion. They themselves triggered their so-called nakba. It's not oppression when civilized countries respond to Palestinian terrorism, evil, and cultural sepsis. Even other Arabs don't like Palestinians.
We're a generation away from them, but changes seem to be missing.
Every Palestinian who voted for Hamas or cheered when Hamas raped and murdered innocent Israelis is a piece of shit and deserves the hell hole they live in.
I feel sorry for the rest of them. Trapped in a forever war. Your only hope for a future is to try and escape and forget you are a Palestinian. Leave it behind, because it is never going to end.
Few countries will take them.
Wow, THREE grey boxes. I didn't think I was saying something controversial.
Due to their track record in Lebanon and Jordan.
^+1.
You are living under control of (sorry) a Hitler analogue. You have no power to change that; LEAVE and find a place where the government is not dedicated to genocide of people following a certain religion.
Particularly dedicated to the genocide of people who can and will kick your ass and have done so many times, leaving you the aggressor whining 'victim!!!!!' when they DO kick your ass.
And supported by antisemitic shits like JFucked, Misek, trueman, and the fucking asshole claiming to be a therapist, not to mention the scumbag Molly.
We got your numbers, shit-bags.
Take another hit from that bag of glue you keep tied around your neck, Sevo.
Wow !!not just oppresed but 'systematically' oppressed.
Mom, i need a better allowance , I am 'systematically' oppressed by my current allowanc.e
Until everyone takes this argument to the level at which it first came into being (Balfour Declaration and US Declaration of 1948) you are like people who blame the middle class for taking advantage of tax cuts Can you blame Israel for accepting international law that gave them a country?
International law did not give Israel a country, they bought and then TOOK their country. It is theirs by right of conquest. The Jewish State of Israel is a de facto country that was recognized by quite a number of important nations and they kept it despite immediate military opposition from the Muftis. Every step of the way from 1948 to the present the Palestinians could have had peace simply by refraining from violent attacks on Israel and Israelis. Most Palestinians who chose to remain in the new Jewish state did quite well for themselves democratically. But it IS a JEWISH state and non-Jews have had some difficulties over the years from not observing religious laws while living there. If that is "oppression," systematic or otherwise, they don't have to live there. As is the case with ANY authoritarian government, some power-loving individuals will be able to gain power for themselves by pushing the usual fear buttons to manipulate their constituents. There is no doubt in my mind that Israelis prefer peace to never-ending war and they have demonstrated this repeatedly after the militant Palestinians' military incursions and terrorist atrocities.
Claims of systemic oppression are a toolf of evildoers to con the gullible,
Elliot Rodger and Dylann Roof claim to have been systematically oppressed.
By the logic employed in the comments the people making the comments deserve everything Democrats do when Democrats win elections because people voted for them.
Palestinians are too stupid to get out of their own way. They got exactly what they deserve.
Yes. For example, they're deprived of basic civil rights, like voting rights, in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan. Palestinian citizens of Israel do have these rights, however, so at least they're not being systematically oppressed in Israel. Though I doubt that Beinart sees it like that.
To me the real question is why the Palestinians, out of all the oppressed people in the world.
The Kurds have never been offered a state, Kurdistan is split between several countries and the Kurds have been there a long, long time. It's not like they are recent transplants to the region like Turks or Arab Colonizers, like the Palestinians.
What about Egypt? The Copts are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians, but Egypt is dominated by Arab colonizers who oppress the Copts. The Palestinians are basically "Egyptians" who lived in Gaza when it was part of Egypt.
Because none of this is really about them. They’re ultimately just pawns to be used against Israel. Which is the whole point and always has been.
And that is your reason for supporting genocide?
It isn’t particularly complicated. The greedy and genocidal Zionists both in and outside of Israel want Israel to have more land.
Wrong.
The "Palestinians" came from Crete centuries ago.
Ask any anthropologists.
...and while you're at it, guess which religious group is the most oppressed in the world.
If you guessed Christians, then you would be right.
It would be more accurate to say that immigrants from Crete were assimilated by the existing Hebrew people in Palestine, creating a hybrid people who were still primarily Hebrew in language and culture.
Moral Credibility?
In an era of serial military defeats, massive debt, and deplorable depravity beyond Biblical proportions and in a moment of mass hysteria with a mob of barbarians rioting, looting, burning, and murdering in our cities while being supported by a majority of the population, who are we Americans to accuse Israel of losing “moral credibility”? As was China under Mao during the “Red Guard Revolution”, the USA is suffering a “nervous breakdown” on a national basis. So it is with the non-Mohammedan countries listed as anti-Israeli. Let them live under Sharia Law. Their antipathy towards Israel will dissipate in a flash.
As for morals, whose morals? The so-called Palestinians ... Mohammedans? Have the authors read the Koran, which preaches murder and mayhem to fulfill its goal of a Mohammedan world?
“Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.”
- The Koran, The Spoils 8:36
Credibility among whom? Who are the people qualified to sit in judgement of Israel, a nation invaded thrice by its neighbors intent upon annihilating every Jew there. Where do we find the absolute standards by which to judge morality? No! Israel has every right, legally and morally, to confiscate the captured lands of Judea and Samaria and to expel every Mohammedan within Israeli borders.