James Pogue: What Ukraine Reveals About MAGA

Vanity Fair's James Pogue dives into the dissident right, his personal experiences with MAGA, and how Ukraine policy is unfolding.

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What does the dramatic collapse of talks between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Donald Trump and J.D. Vance reveal about Trump's foreign policy, Vance's ideology, and the future trajectory of MAGA? Just asking questions.

James Pogue, who has written extensively about the American New Right and who predicted in 2022 that Vance would be "hugely influential in our politics in the coming years," joined the show to dissect the doomed televised negotiations between Zelenskyy and Trump, offer his insight about the vice president's aggressive interjection, and discuss why he thinks the rise of the online "dissident right" is poised to either fall apart or lead America into a "dark night of totalitarianism."

Sources referenced:

• Full meeting between President Trump, Vice President Vance, and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in the Oval Office
• Government support to Ukraine by country, by the Kiel Institute
• Support to Ukraine: U.S. vs. Europe, by the Kiel Institute
• Ukraine support as a percentage of gross domestic product, by the Kiel Institute
• Estimated Ukraine-Russia casualties: 46,000 soldiers killed, 380,000 wounded, Zelenskyy tells NBC; 12,340 civilians killed, 27,836 wounded according to the United Nations; roughly 20,000 children deported to Russia, according to the Ukrainian "Children of War" portal; 172,000 Russian soldiers killed, 611,000 wounded, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies
• "Inside the New Right, Where Peter Thiel Is Placing His Biggest Bets," by James Pogue
• Defence Expenditure of NATO Countries (2014-2024)

Chapters

• 00:00:00 Intro
• 00:00:25 Contrasting Views on the Ukraine Conflict
• 00:05:53 The Burden of Support: Financial and Human Costs
• 00:14:01 Diplomacy vs. Continued Conflict: A Missed Opportunity?
• 00:21:17 Reassessing NATO's Role and MAGA's Shifting Foreign Policy
• 00:31:48 Regional Conflicts: Middle East and the Intervention Debate
• 00:36:18 The Trump-Zelensky Meeting and J.D. Vance's Intervention
• 00:48:02 Decoding J.D. Vance: Ambition and Worldview
• 00:52:11 The Rise of the New Right and its Influence
• 01:01:26 Navigating the "Weirdness" of MAGA: Appeal and Pitfalls
• 01:18:13 The Erosion of Norms and the Future of American Governance

• Producer: John Osterhoudt

Comments

[Stupid Government Tricks]

A friend fell in love with his adopted daughter's aunt, put her up in a condo he had bought from a startup IPO, and when he went over to visit one day, her boyfriend threw him out. He spent the next two years in therapy on the company dime. I learned all this a few days before I was leaving a company which had downsized from 150 employees to 35, and starting a new job 250 miles away. I have never been so thankful for an employer downsizing so rapidly.

And two years later, he called me up to see if my employer had any job openings. I told him truthfully that I had just moved 150 miles to start a new job at another 10-employee company, and sorry, they weren't hiring.

You can't help people who won't help themselves.

Sorry, Zelensky. You've had three years to weed out corruption. I've learned that the canceled elections were not your doing, that the Ukraine constitution requires it, but what about all those newspapers and TV and radio stations? How about those locked borders and conscription?

I really do feel sorry for you, Mr Zelensky. Russia invaded after occupying Crimea, all illegally, and the UN didn't do squat. The EU and Biden have been stringing you along with just enough aid to keep you from losing, but not enough to win or even kick Russia out. But that's given you three years to make me believe that no one in Ukraine has been building up Swiss bank accounts, and you haven't even tried.

My taxes don't belong to my own government, let alone a corrupt foreign government.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Well said.

Perfect analogy at the start.

[InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)]

Well put. +1

[Bananas]

Thumbs up, kudos and 100.

[MollyGodiva]

Holy hell you are out of it. You want Ukraine to lose its war and get conquered by Russia because Zelensky did not do enough to fight corruption for your tastes while his country was fighting for survival.

I am going to go out on a limb and guess your principled stand against corruption and for Constitutions does not extend to the current US administration.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Here's your saw.

[Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)]

How much corruption has taken place during the current administration?

[Don’t get eliminated]

You can do what you want, but I don’t think trying to have honest debate with lying psychopaths is a good use of your time.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

How much are they paying you, Tony, because they aren't getting their money's worth.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

You are incapable of understanding principles Tony. You are a sociopathic narcissist. Or what we call a ‘democrat’.

[Don’t get eliminated]

Do you imagine anyone bought any of this bullshit?

[TrickyVic (old school)]

It's easy to support war when your kids are not fighting it.

I just find it ironic that I am now telling that to liberals.

[Mickey Rat]

So is Pogue like those German prosecutors who think opposing totalitarianism means arresting people for speech they think is too spicy?

There are things you can criticize Vance for. Being the harbinger of the dark night of totalitarianism is possibly the most lunatic one.

[mad.casual]

Being the harbinger of the dark night of totalitarianism is possibly the most lunatic one.

There was a "[rising intonation] *OR*..."

He could be the touchstone to the fracturing and disintegration of the Republican Party and/or The Republican Party driving the Government and the American people collectively into the ditch, both for about the 10th time in 20 yrs. (not counting COVID).

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)]

Donnie is kicking off a serious economic downturn. The Atlanta Fed forecasts -2.5% GDP. The market selloff is just not about his stupid tariffs.

[InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)]

You do know that getting rid of a bunch of fed jobs will put more on unemployment, right? But, it will be better for everyone in the long term.

[damikesc]

Cutting government spending ALSO reduces GDP.

[DesigNate]

Shrike knows this. He also knows most of the GDP growth over the last 4 years was due to government spending.

Shrike is an amoral moron.

[Don’t get eliminated]

Potato, patatoo,

amoral moron, lying psychopath that posted a link to child porn.

Ymmva

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

It’s another bullshit Reason article from a committed leftist.

[SRG2]

Krasnov isn't a Russian spy, but he is almost certainly a Russian asset, unless he simply has a man-crush on Putin.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

How is he a Russian asset?

[5.56]

The same way JesseAZov is, and his overlord daddy in the white house, if you believe musks chatbot: https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2025/03/05/trump-speech-state-union-russia-elon-musk-grok/81507335007/

[damikesc]

Odd. I asked Grok if you have a tendency to diddle 5 year old boys in the bathroom at school.

It said 95% chance that yes, you do.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

The other 5% of the time he’s getting cornholed for booze money.

[Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)]

Oh, Poe's Law. Can't tell if retarded or sarcastic.

[Truthfulness]

This is Artie we're dealing with, so retarded.

[Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)]

Nah, that can't be Artie. Not enough oral sodomy fetish.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Your journalists must have asked it extremely leading questions. Grok told me 25%.

Based on my research and considering the heavy reliance of media reports on the Steele dossier, I estimate the likelihood that Donald Trump is a "Russian asset" or "Putin-compromised asset" to be relatively low, around 25%. Here’s how I arrived at this assessment:

The Steele Dossier’s Credibility

The Steele dossier, a collection of unverified reports alleging ties between Trump and Russia, was a cornerstone of many media narratives suggesting Trump was compromised by Putin. However, the Durham Report, which investigated the origins of the FBI’s handling of Trump-Russia allegations, concluded that the dossier was largely uncorroborated and politically motivated. This significantly undermines its reliability, and since much of the media’s speculation leaned heavily on these claims, a substantial portion of that narrative loses credibility.

Other Evidence: The Mueller Report

Beyond the dossier, the Mueller Report provides a more authoritative source of information. It investigated Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and potential ties to the Trump campaign. While it confirmed Russian efforts to influence the election and documented numerous contacts between Trump associates and Russian operatives, it ultimately found no evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia. This absence of direct proof of coordination or compromise reduces the likelihood that Trump was a Russian asset, though the documented interactions leave some room for suspicion.

Circumstantial Evidence: Trump’s Behavior

Trump’s public actions and statements also warrant consideration. His reluctance to criticize Vladimir Putin and his past business dealings in Russia have fueled speculation. For example, his pursuit of a Trump Tower project in Moscow during the 2016 campaign raised questions about potential conflicts of interest. However, these factors do not conclusively demonstrate that he was a Russian asset. They could instead reflect business motivations or his unconventional approach to foreign policy, offering plausible alternative explanations.

Media Reliance on the Dossier

The media’s heavy dependence on the Steele dossier amplified the "Russian asset" narrative, but with the dossier discredited, much of that reporting loses its foundation. While some reports drew on other sources—like intelligence leaks or Mueller’s findings—the damage to the dossier’s credibility weakens the overall case built by media speculation.

Estimating the Likelihood

To arrive at a probability:

The discrediting of the Steele dossier removes a major pillar of the "Russian asset" claim.

The Mueller Report’s lack of evidence for a conspiracy further lowers the likelihood, though its findings on Russian interference and campaign contacts prevent dismissing the possibility entirely.

Circumstantial evidence (e.g., Trump’s statements and business ties) keeps some suspicion alive but lacks the concreteness needed for a higher probability.

Balancing these factors, I estimate the chances at 25%. This figure acknowledges the remaining unanswered questions and circumstantial hints, while reflecting the significant erosion of the dossier-driven narrative and the absence of definitive proof from more reliable investigations like Mueller’s.

Caveat: Public Information Only

This assessment is based solely on publicly available information. Classified evidence, if it exists, could alter the picture, but since the query focuses on what I’ve researched and the media’s reliance on the dossier, I’ve limited my analysis to what’s known.

In summary, while there’s enough smoke to avoid ruling out the possibility entirely, the lack of solid evidence—especially after discounting the Steele dossier—suggests that the likelihood of Donald Trump being a "Russian asset" or "Putin-compromised asset" is low, at approximately 25%.

[Quicktown Brix]

the likelihood of Donald Trump being a "Russian asset" or "Putin-compromised asset" is low, at approximately 25%

I'd say closer to 0%. Trump clearly respects/likes Putin, but considering Trump lived under an electron microscope for the past ~10 years, there's no way they wouldn't have uncovered him being an asset. Even if they didn't have hard proof dems would never shut up about the allegations (ala Brandon being the "big guy").

The fact that they had to drum up fake charges the last 2 years shows that Trump is shockingly clean.

But maybe this is outside the scope of your Grok comparison analysis.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

Huh. No comments about Crossfire Hurricane?

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

Excellent episode - for the first hour. Then it goes off the rails

[Rick James]

It went off the rails in the intro paragraph.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

Which guaranteed the whole thing is trash.

[sarcasmic]

It's not that difficult. Zelenskyy insulted Trump and the Bidens had ties to Ukraine. Because of that Trump wants to make a deal that fucks Ukraine and benefits Putin. Just look at the egos involved.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

You were everything that you pretend you hate in that post. Congrats.

[sarcasmic]

I’d say “Your mom” except that you bacteria you reproduce by fission. Which explains Jesse.

[InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)]

Wow, is Peewee Herman the best you can do, Sarc?

[Don’t get eliminated]

That’s when his brain stopped developing.

[Bananas]

Do you post drunk while alone at the bar, or alone at home?

[JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)]

Alone for sure. Didn't even get invited back to the weekend at a half million dollar lake house.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

Only way he gets invited back is if they need to someone to put on a gimp suit.

[JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)]

Just wish he was here more often for these nuggets of grand coked up nuggets.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Who's sarcasmic? He must never come here. It's a bitter, drunken trollish kind of name, but maybe he's a nice guy.

[Quicktown Brix]

Nailed it. This seems way more likely than Trump being a Putin asset.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)]

Donnie laundered money for the Russians for 20 years in both his shitty casinos and then selling Russians apartments for cash. He is Vlad’s useful idiot.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Do you have a lick of evidence for that? That sounds like your Steele Dossier lie.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)]

Are you too drunk on Moosehead to use a search engine?

Trump + money laundering

Should work.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

It didn't. And you knew it wouldn't. The worst thing they mention is Trump's dad giving him an under the table loan and not in Russia. That's it. The Taj Mahal incident happened when he didn't own it, and it wasn't laundering either.

Absolutely nothing to back up your lie.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

He rapes children. Did you real,y expected honesty for him?

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)]

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/trump-taj-mahal?cid=ios_app

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

There's an accusation and zero evidence. Not a single one of the "issues" took place in Russia.

As usual, you didn't even read your own link.

They talk about the Taj Mahal not keeping track of gamblers who deliberately cashed out in smaller payments to avoid having to report it to the federal government. That's not laundering and that's not in Russia, and Trump didn't own the Taj Mahal at the time.

"n the report, regulators described an incident on December 18, 1990, the day Trump owed an $18.4 million interest payment.

An attorney named Howard Snyder walked into the Castle casino with a certified check for $3.35 million drawn from a bank account belonging to Fred C. Trump. Snyder exchanged the check for 670 of the casino’s gray gambling chips, which he put into a case. He then walked out of the casino.

By not cashing out the chips, the transaction amounted to a loan, regulators said.

New Jersey gaming regulators charged Trump’s operation with violations of the state’s Casino Control Act for not disclosing his father as a financial backer.

“The Castle failed to notify the Commission and Division in writing of the fact that the Fred Trump transaction would create a new financial source,” the regulators said it their report.

Regulators imposed a $30,000 civil penalty on the Castle.

Trump’s third gambling operation in Atlantic City, the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, had a better record. When the IRS audited its cash reporting in 1998 and 1999, it found that the casino correctly filed 99.99% of the time, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

FinCEN caught the Taj Mahal dodging anti-money laundering rules again two decades later. In 2015, it fined the casino $10 million.

In the consent order, the casino admitted it “willfully violated” the Bank Secrecy Act’s “reporting and recordkeeping requirements from 2010 through 2012.”

There was “apparent laundering of funds” using slot machine tickets, according to the 2015 consent order. And the casino didn’t keep track of gamblers who deliberately cashed out in smaller payments to avoid having to report it to the federal government.

By then, however, Trump’s involvement with the Taj Mahal was in name only. He had departed Atlantic City in 2009, maintaining a small stake in the casino’s parent company."

SO AGAIN, BUTTPLUG! WHERE'S THE MONEY LAUNDERING??? WHERE IS THE MONEY LAUDERING IN RUSSIA???

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)]

$477,000 in money laundering fines while Donnie ran the Taj. You avoid that fact.

[DesigNate]

Except that article even states he didn’t run it.

God damn you are stupid.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

You embarrass yourself again. Stupid Marxist child raping cunt.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

HE DIDN'T OWN IT WHEN THEY GOT FINED, YOU ILLITERATE FUCK.

Read your own article for once. This is why Open Society is never going to hire you back.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

Your point wasn't money laundering. It was the Russians angle which this article is not proof of.

[damikesc]

Congrats, ML --- you read more of its link that it did.

[InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)]

So basically, money reporting rules that every proper libertarian should oppose were supposedly violated, and somehow you made the leap to call it money laundering.

Let's dissect your article, shall we?

The casino repeatedly failed to properly report gamblers who cashed out $10,000 or more in a single day, the government said.

Trump’s casino ended up paying the Treasury Department a $477,000 fine in 1998 without admitting any liability under the Bank Secrecy Act.

Big whoop, a bunch of gamblers at a casino cashed out over $10,000 each in a day. Gamblers at a casino. That law shouldn't exist in the first place either.

According to a dozen anti-money laundering experts, casinos often run into these problems.

Again, whoop-de-doo.

FinCEN caught the Trump Taj Mahal dodging anti-money laundering rules again two decades later. In 2015, it fined the casino $10 million.

In the consent order, the casino admitted it “willfully violated” the Bank Secrecy Act’s “reporting and recordkeeping requirements from 2010 through 2012.”

There was “apparent laundering of funds” using slot machine tickets, according to the 2015 consent order. And the casino didn’t keep track of gamblers who deliberately cashed out in smaller payments to avoid having to report it to the federal government.

By then, however, Trump’s involvement with the Taj Mahal was in name only. He had departed Atlantic City in 2009, maintaining a small stake in the casino’s parent company.

And in that case, he wasn't even 50% in, just a minority stakeholder.

Congratulations, CNN and Pluggo, you've found the contents of Al Capone's safe.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

"And in that case, he wasn't even 50% in, just a minority stakeholder."

Minority stakeholder in the parent company and not the Casino.

Everything is lies with Buttplug.

[damikesc]

Not EVERYTHING.

His sexual attraction to 10 year olds is not a lie.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Yes it is. That's 9 years too old.

[MasterThief]

It reveals that MAGA is about America first politics. It is sad that the movement has been so maligned when that is the core idea of it all.

[5.56]

MAGA is about corporate solipsistic trumpism and nothing but him first. Most MAGAts just don't know that.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Quit sockpuppeting, Shrike.

[5.56]

Imagine your pathetic sock puppet paranoia being the only way you can make sense of the world and reconcile clashing bits of information. You guys are so fucking simplistic and embarrassing, I really don't know why I ever thought it was a good idea to associate with you. You are tribalistic, foaming at the mouth, feedback resistant, technologically illiterate, obsolete trash. And not the lesser of two evils. Thats for sure.

[damikesc]

Are we not to notice that, while using a large vocabulary, you are singularly incapable of making a point?

[Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)]

I'll grant that it probably isn't Shrike. There are a lot of idiots out there in the world.

[DesigNate]

It’s that ban-evading, cousin-fucking moron, Artie.

He can’t help himself from calling people clingers and talking about everyone submitting to their “betters”.

[Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)]

Hunh. I admit that without the forcible oral sodomy fetish lines and the lack of Great Dane receptive assfucking fantasizing, it didn't seem like Art to me, but I'll grant that this one does seem to trip the particular features you mention. Maybe it is him. And here I was, foolishly slightly respecting him for complying with the ban. Well, that's some egg on my face.

[DesigNate]

I could totally be wrong, but over the weekend it slipped into mealy mouthed insults, homophobic slurs, and ranting how our betters were going to deal with us. It could just be another raging leftist, it’s not like they don’t all pull from the same playbook.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

I think it’s Sarc.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Yeah, it could be Sarc.

[Social Justice is neither]

It is being aligned by America hating leftists who've grown rich as parasites of the US Government so what did you expect

[5.56]

Trump played the MAGAts better than that austrian guy played the germans

[damikesc]

I'll note people like you were convinced that Biden was OK the last 4 years.

Might be best if you sit this one out. And all others afterwards.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

1:03 They're talking about JD Vance and Musk being weird. Not the Democrats, Musk and Vance.
Weissmueller is concerned and thinks that they are overthrowing the thrust of progress.
MAGA will either dissipate or destroy the world.
MAGA is "rage".
Trump will run for a third term. Be afraid. They shouldn't even joke about it.
MAGA politicians are talking publicly on Twitter about their plans. This is wrong somehow.
Ideas on Twitter can be a direct line to the president. This is wrong too.
Policy formation is taking place in public. This is wrong too.
Musk tweets "Vox Populii, Vox Dei". Terrible.
The public can talk direct to the "sovereign", this is disconcerting. It wasn't what the founders planned. It's totalitarianism.
The Trump administration might ignore a judge's nationwide injunction, then who would the National Guard listen to?
Zach: You better get prepared for something bad coming.
We're not taking the constitutional order seriously. We have to guard against direct democracy (again dangerous fascist).
We are at a point of National Crisis. We need a Charles De Gaulle to reset everything.
"I'm now a contributing editor for the NYT"

[damikesc]

Ah, so my not listening did not miss much.

Awesome.

[damikesc]

I hope their liberaltarian audience makes these things worth doing. Seems exceptionally unlikely, though.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Ideas on Twitter can be a direct line to the president. This is wrong too.
Policy formation is taking place in public. This is wrong too.

Yes we know. You think the best public policy is from the people in Uncle Fester's Facebook groups.

[Incunabulum]

You only like it when you can't see the sausage being made because it allows you to pretend its only meat - not offal, sawdust, in a filthy facility.

That is, literally, all you have - 'I don't want to see how the sausage is made because that would remind me that its not good people making it'.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Oh I am under no illusion that politicians are, as a general rule, slimy bastards.

But I much prefer a representative republic rather than a democracy of morons.

[DesigNate]

We’ve been run by a “democracy of morons” my entire adult life (if not longer).

Need I remind you about the moral panic of Dungeons & Dragons, Heavy Metal music, Marilyn Manson, Y2K, or the morons (who are still in congress by the way) grilling a social media owner and complaining about their iphone?

Edit: I love the sneering condescension in your first reply btw *chef’s kiss*.

[Incunabulum]

Which is why you're mad. We're exposing the fact that you didn't have a 'representative republic' and that the people you think should be in charge (because they will hide reality from you) are children.

[Don’t get eliminated]

Lying Jeffy uses hyperbole to advocate for TOP MEN. Because he’s an authoritarian.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

You think the best public policy is from the people in Uncle Fester's Facebook groups.

YES! Thank you.

Any one hundred randos picked off of any street or Target parking lot could make better public policy than the entire Harvard class of 2024, you retarded ruling class suckhole.

America has a nobility problem because of wannabe parvenus like you, and it means its leaders don’t pay for or learn from their failures. Listen, Jeffy. You're never going to be one of the Nomenklatura. They will never accept you.

[Incunabulum]

>We need a Charles De Gaulle to reset everything.

This is hilarious, given, you know, everything Charles De Gaulle did.

And its not like France actually has much democracy - or that the nation who's formative rebellion *was not for freedom*. Charles De Gaulle 'restored' post-Terror French republicanism.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/04/ontario-canada-tariff-retaliation-energy-states/81350351007/

This is how you stand up to bullying. Fight back.

[InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)]

By being a total douchebag like Doug Ford?

[damikesc]

We could simply send our military into Canada.

Or place identical tariffs on all of their goods. We can also remove any semblance of defense from them and take any illegal entry from their side as an act of war and behave accordingly.

There is no option that will work out well for Canada if they really want to escalate.

They are fortunate we permit them to exist, honestly.

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

You should understand that. As you are a slimy bastard yourself.i feel the same way about Marxist sin general. Except I don’t see where Marxists have any right to exist.

[damikesc]

WTF are you going on about?

[DesigNate]

You stand up to bullies by taxing your citizens even harder?

[Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )]

Also raping and mutilating their children.

[StevenF]

Just asking questions.

That FLAT OUT LIE tanked what little credibility the author would have had otherwise.

[damikesc]

I note the tracking of support to Ukraine --- but literally nothing about Europe bankrolling Russia in all of this. They've paid Russia more than Ukraine.

The EU are the biggest Putin fans on Earth.

[Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)]

YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO NOTICE THAT!

[Rick James]

and discuss why he thinks the rise of the online "dissident right" is poised to either fall apart or lead America into a "dark night of totalitarianism."

*Looks back over the last 12 years at both the left and the center left*

Who could have predicted that?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Hey, here is a thought. Let's focus on expanding liberty and choice for all people. Even if they are white male conservatives Christians, or transgender Asian wiccans. What do you think?

[Incunabulum]

What freedom do the trangender Asian wiccans not have today?

[Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)]

To openly fuck children, which is the only freedom Cartman cares about.

[Social Justice is neither]

Fuck off you lying POS. you've been all about restricting the freedom of others anytime your side hold the reins of power.

[Incunabulum]

> . . . he thinks the rise of the online "dissident right" is poised to either fall apart or lead America into a "dark night of totalitarianism."

Remind me again who *actually* censored Americans, hid graft, got paid by the Chinese and Ukrainians for influence, denied a president's inability to govern, wants everyone to cater to those with the mental illness du jour.

Fascism is constantly descending on the Right but landing on the Left.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Weird how you think permitting freedom of choice corresponds to "fascism".

Let me be specific. You think *asking* people to acknowledge differences in gender identity corresponds to "fascism". So what would you call it to enforce a strict male/female binary gender identity on everyone?

[Rick James]

Let's agree to disagree on providing more liberty for all. Now sign on this line to transfer all of your assets to this account so these choices can be financed.

[DesigNate]

The problem wasn’t people just wanting to identify how they wanted, and you know it.

And the only people in this conversation working to reinforce gender roles and stereotypes is the one you insist on arguing for (we’ll leave the tradwives alone for now, though they are doing their own work to do the same).

And I’ll paraphrase what someone else said in another of these threads: this whole shebang didn’t kickoff till some fucktarded local government decided to force private businesses to bend to their preferred will.

[Incunabulum]

Who permitted freedom of choice?

Not the Democrats. Who, you know, censored americans and insist that it be illegal to not use the made-up pronouns someone else chose.

[Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)]

Weird how you think permitting freedom of choice corresponds to "fascism".

You're so mind-blowingly dishonest. Censorship, graft, foreign government bribe taking, mental incapacity, and exacerbating mental illness have nothing to do with freedom of choice.

Just when I think you couldn't disgust me further you reach a new low.

[Mickey Rat]

That side are not asking, they are demanding laws to make illegal acknowledging physiological differences between the sexes and eliminating institutions and spaces segregated by sex. It is a totalitarian movement that seeks to control speech and thought.

[Minadin]

Disingenuous and cunty is no way to go through life.

[mad.casual]

Fascism is constantly descending on the Right but landing on the Left.

Constantly on the verge of capturing everything and completely disintegrating, driving us straight down the road to Hell while constantly steering us into the ditch, all at the same time for 16+ yrs.

It's like they didn't get the memo in the 90s that FUD doesn't work on everyone forever.

[Thought about __ all my life]

YOu silly man !!!! Poorly written and self-refuting

all over the world (Sky news Australia and Pres Kenyatta in Africa , for starters) are mocking your analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRUmIyiUCIQ