Is Javier Milei Actually Improving Argentina?

Two Argentine pundits debate the success of Javier Milei.

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Santiago Forster and Agustín Dante Rombolá debate the resolution, "Free market President Javier Milei of Argentina has been making tangible progress toward improving the Argentinian economy."

Taking the affirmative is Forster, a fellow at Fundación Rioplatense de Estudios, a South American think-tank dedicated to "spreading the principles of freedom, private initiative, free market, Rule of Law, and limited government." He is currently a student in International Business & International Affairs at Northeastern University, where he also serves as president of the LatAm Business Club.

Taking the negative is Rombolá, the founder of Kairos Global, an association that trains young people interested in becoming human rights activists. He is a member of the Argentine political party Unión Cívica Radical, where he serves as president of their youth branch, Juventud Radical.

The debate is moderated by Soho Forum director, Gene Epstein.

Comments

[Stupid Government Tricks]

If there were a transcript, this would be worth reading for the laughs.

If there is a transcript, the article should say so.

[damikesc]

I'm not sure how significantly increasing growth and massively cutting inflation is NOT improving Argentina, but I guess TMMV.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

If this follows the usual (Oxford?) debating poll rules, it will be interesting to see both the before and after polls.

[damikesc]

Now, if it used MODERN debating rules --- well, it'd be an absolute shit show and so devoid of intellect as to make one dumber watching it.

Let's go Oxford rules!

[shadydave]

I wonder if I'm going to agree with the libertarian or the socialist.

I'm assuming the socialist's argument is that despite running Argentina for 60 years, the socialists need more time to completely fix Argentina's problems.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

The socialist will focus on the loss of government money going to his favored groups, especially political groups.

[Marshal]

He believes it would have worked if only the government had more control.

[A Thinking Mind]

Taking the negative is Rombolá, the founder of Kairos Global, an association that trains young people interested in becoming human rights activists

Based on this description of who he is, I'm 100% confident he has the wrong viewpoint.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Yes.

Not much of a debate.

[Cyto]

It was kind of a hard watch.
Not the most dynamic speakers.

Lots of assertions that just seemed random.

"Everyone is unhappy"

Really? How do we know that?

It sounds like it is a time of great uncertainty and upheaval.... which it absolutely would be no matter how successful the change ends up being. Or not being.

I dunno. It seems to nearly to be making the negative argument. And the positive argument could fall apart at any time. Tough to argue, and tougher for someone who doesn't already know all about Argentina to judge.

[Minadin]

Lots of assertions that just seemed random.

“Everyone is unhappy”

You can file that one under the 'living in a bubble' category along with, 'How did Trump win? No one I know voted for him!', and pretty much everything you hear on The View.

Of course his socialist, unproductive public-sector worker friends are all unhappy. Things are not going their way right now, they're out of jobs, and they might need to figure out a way to acquire a useful skill and do something that's actually in demand, probably for the first time in their entire lives. Sucks to be them.

[Roberta]

No, actually they both presented lots of numbers. The "no" numbers were a bit more compelling.

[I, Woodchipper]

Taking the negative is Rombolá, the founder of Kairos Global, an association that trains young people interested in becoming human rights activists.

Lol, i dont need to listen to this, i know exactly what he's going to say. And he's wrong.

[I, Woodchipper]

I can solve the debate. Yes. Yes Milei has improved Argentina, buy a mile.

[Marshal]

Maybe this will help us understand:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1859457153162944795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Inflation in Argentina stood at 25.5% when Milei came into office on December 10th last year. Since then:

January: 20.6%
February: 13.9%
March: 11%
April : 8 ,8%
May: 4.2%
June: 4.6%
July: 4%
August: 4.2%
September: 3.5%

The figure for October just came in - 2.7%

[minnix]

Inflation in Argentina stood at 25.5% when Milei came into office on December 10th last year.

Just to clarify, that's monthly inflation rate. The annual rate just recently dipped below 200%. Still, it's heading in the right direction.

[Eeyore]

Did a pot just call a Libertarian a kettle?

[Roberta]

The Tootsie Roll award went as I'd expected. Before hearing this I'd've voted "yes", but the presenter of "no" introduced enough doubt about the facts that I'd've switched to "undecided".

[Social Justice is neither]

Why?

[Flaco]

No need to show their names in the pictures. It's super obvious which is which.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Ya know, REAL communism hasn't really been tried.

[Peter Kreeft taught me LOGIC, BEWARE !!!!!!!]

When asked if the world is improving, Jacques Maritain said the good is getting better and the bad is getting worse, Why did you leave out Villareuel ?? She's outshining even Millei

She's Libertarian and devout Catholic. About time someone in Libertarianism shed the undisguised hate for God and all things spiritual , inherited from Ayn Rand. I attribute my conversion to Catholicism to reading her atrocisous shit.

[Peter Kreeft taught me LOGIC, BEWARE !!!!!!!]

Here we go: Folks who can't find Argentina on a map and are utterly unaffected by what goes on there, redirecting the energy they should be using to get trans perverts out of their kids' schools , for a nice cocktail chagger gabfest.

Now, do you think Victoria VillaReul gets heated about Reason Magazine? She probably never heard of it