Kat Timpf: An Unapologetic Libertarian at Fox News

The co-host of Gutfeld! talks about how everyone should reject binary thinking.

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Today's guest is Kat Timpf, whose new book is I Used To Like You Until…:(How Binary Thinking Divides Us). In a totally insane election season, this just might be the most important book of the year. A sequel of sorts to 2023's You Can't Joke About That: Why Everything Is Funny, Nothing Is Sacred, and We're All in This Together, it seeks to show how politics overwhelms common decency and basic logic.

Timpf, who co-hosts the super-popular Gutfeld! late-night show, explains to Reason's Nick Gillespie why she tells some people she works in porn instead of at Fox News, what it's like being libertarian at a conservative network, and how she gets people to engage with each other rather than vilify one another. This podcast was taped in front of a live audience in New York City. For more information on Reason live events, go here.

0:00- Introduction

0:58- Timpf's pregnancy and IVF

2:05- Timpf's new book: 'I Used To Like You Until…'

7:00- 'Hate as a shelter' & binary thinking

17:57- Ad: Zibiotics

19:43- Being a First Amendment absolutist

22:00- Will motherhood change Timpf's views?

24:17- In defense of drag queens

30:12- Using vulnerability to combat binary thinking

33:00- Timpf's husband

36:38- Being a libertarian on Fox News

38:20- Timpf's upbringing

40:49- 2024 presidential election

44:15- Political 'simping' makes Timpf sick

Previous appearance:

• Kat Timpf: Make America Funny Again! June 7, 2023

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Comments

[sarcasmic]

everyone should reject binary thinking

She’s not praising Trump. That means she’s a Democrat.

[Use the Schwartz]

Jesus man, give it a rest.

[Don't look at me!]

The dude is a mess.

[Idaho-Bob]

Strawcastic polluting every fucking thread.

[sarcasmic]

Mocking binary thinkers is polluting the thread? Only a binary thinker would say that.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

What you're actually doing.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded

[sarcasmic]

You’re the very definition of a binary thinker.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

You have never heard the term before today and like most words don't understand it's meaning. Lol.

Maybe you're arguing from your strawman delusions again dummy?

Do you need your posts saying how you won't even read links based on who posts them? Lol.

This morning you joined Nelson to call the Trump assassin's conservative while dismissing all evidence you were given. Just a small example.

God damn man. You're a fucking joke lol.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Only a binary thinker would say that."

As you make a binary statement of your own. Could you be more retarded?

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

He is trying through his alcoholism to become more retarded. Think it is working.

[SQRLSY]

Way to go Kat Timpf!!! Now ALSO please condemn related ideas and FEELZ = Tribalism and Do-Gooder Derogation!!!

The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!

“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .

Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.

Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we’d be better off VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, ’cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!

[Chumby]

Long TDS broke him. It is what it is.

[sarcasmic]

Sorry bub, but I'm not a member of your binary thinking Trump's Deranged Supporters club.

[VinniUSMC (Banana Republic Day 5/30/24)]

Poor, broken sarcasmic. Maybe one day you'll be capable of producing a rational thought. I won't hold my breath though.

[sarcasmic]

The binary-thinking embarrassment to the Corps is on the attack.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

This new talking point you think is great is amusing to me.

Talk about tariffs again. Lol.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Sarc learned a new word today (binary). Expect him to use it ad nauseam going forward – Oh wait, he already has.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Use it incorrectly *

[Chumby]

Pour sarc. So broken.

Hey, try mixing in that White Mike CACLL acronym next time.

[sarcasmic]

Maybe you could try not mixing Allen’s with moo-juice, and instead talk about the actual topic. You know, binary thinking.

Or you could keep seeking pats on the head from binary thinkers.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

This is my other favorite, you projecting your alcoholism on others.

[sarcasmic]

Aww cute. Chumby got a pat on the head.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Fuck. Now you're stealing this from me too.

[Chumby]

Is this like Kamala stealing the no taxing tips from DJT?

[Chumby]

I don’t drink alcohol. Binary posting: one of us drinks and the other one does not.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

He gave it up for 8 hours late last year. Liar.

[Chumby]

Methinks sarc’s political associations are like his marksmanship: his groups are to the left.

[Amal]

Yeah, seriously. It used to be Sqrsly was the only commenter where my eyes would see the screen name, and just slide to the next comment. I do the same thing with Sarcasmic now.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

You binary thinker, you!

[damikesc]

Weird how Fox has people who go against the grain on topics. MSNBC sure as shit does not. CNN has one who occasionally does.

[diver64]

I'm now convinced your a troll most likely from overseas. I listened to her on JRE. She is quite funny and all over the place.

[diver64]

Come on. I had never heard of her before last week when she showed up on Rogan's podcast. She is all over the place and fairly interesting.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Um, progressives are WAY ahead with non-binary thinking. Just saying.

[mad.casual]

Jordan Peterson, for over a decade: Binary thinking, Us vs. Them, is an ancient thought paradigm. Even social invertebrates have it. It’s arguably a fundamental piece of cognition and complex organization. To eliminate it, you would have to reduce The Universe to its atoms.

Kat Timpf: Our current political problem is binary thinking.

I don’t hate you for the one bad, stupid decision you made. I hate you for the way you overloaded lots of bad, stupid decisions into one simple function and, despite its ubiquity throughout history and The Universe, declare it to somehow be universally bad or wrong. Like it’s really a bad thing the Allies opposed the Nazis or Science opposed tossing virgins into volcanoes in a binary fashion or the FF opposed The Crown and the Globe-spanning corporatism that made them less free.

[sarcasmic]

Binary thinking is when someone criticizes Trump and gets attacked for supporting Harris. Or when someone questions a Republican policy and is attacked for being a Democrat.

Binary thinking is a special type of retardation where the sufferer interprets any slight against their tribe as support for the other tribe.

Binary thinkers are incapable of seeing criticism of their tribe as simply that. It does not compute. It MUST be an attack meant to defend the other tribe.

As a result, binary thinkers see all criticism as defense for the other tribe, and they react by going on the attack. There are no conversations. Just people talking past each other.

Yes, it is a problem. And it's rampant in these comments.

[Don't look at me!]

Holy crap, what a mess.

[SQRLSY]

Shit IS a mess! And blaming the mess on Sarc is like killing the messenger! The Emperors (of BOTH Tribes) have NO clothes; HELLO?!?!

[sarcasmic]

I keep that functional retard on mute.

[Chumby]

On a scale of 1 to Biden’s diapers, how messy was it?

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

He uses strawman arguments to justify his behavior. It is fucking hilarious.

[sarcasmic]

A strawman is an argument against something someone never said. It’s what you excel at. For example someone doesn’t say anything about something you feel to be important. You will then explain why they didn’t say anything, what they really believe, and then proceed to argue against it. That is a strawman.

All I’m doing is giving examples of binary-thinking. That’s not a strawman because I’m not making an argument against something they supposedly said.

A rational person can see the difference. Which means you, ML, and the rest of your clown show will not.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

You didn't make an argument dummy?

This wasn't you?

Or when someone questions a Republican policy and is attacked for being a Democrat.

[damikesc]

You're becoming SQRSLY Jr here.

Your signal to noise ratio is brutally out of whack.

[DesigNate]

You realize you engage in this too, right?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Like it’s really a bad thing the Allies opposed the Nazis.

Yes, sort of, when that binary thinking gave Stalin control of Eastern Europe because "Allies".

[mad.casual]

sort of

Fucking binary thinkers. Always making the perfect the enemy of the good... or just a sorta-OK stalemate.

[sarcasmic]

You misunderstand what binary thinking is. It's when someone believes there are only two sides, and if someone isn't on yours then they fully support the other. A binary thinker sees criticism of Trump and their brain registers praise for Harris. So they respond by attacking the person for supporting Harris. It's stupid, retarded, dishonest, and myopic, not to mention ubiquitous in these comment

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

And more strawman arguments in defense of his TDS as not binary thinking. Hilarious.

Tell us again how Trump shares the spirit of Hitler for saying vermin or blood. How illegal immigration has no costs.

[sarcasmic]

Great example of lies and strawmen coming from the mind of a binary thinking retard.

Show us some more.

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

Yes. Your posts actually are.

I love your responses denying your past posts. Always hilarious.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

just a sorta-OK stalemate.

From a certain point of view, sure... probably not a Eastern facing window in Warsaw, though.

[mad.casual]

Frau Timpf (circa 1932): Ugh! Ich bin zo tired of ze Von Hindenburg v. Thälmann/Thälmann v. Von Hindenburg binary election dynamic we haf had for almost ein dekade! Ve need a viable zird option!

[Uncle Jay]

"Kat Timpf: An Unapologetic Libertarian at Fox News."

Don't worry, folks.
She'll be tarred and feathered before she's kicked off the show.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

So then, what's an "apologetic libertarian"?

Oh, Reason.

[Rick James]

An "agree to disagree" libertarian.

[Butler T. Reynolds]

Oh, you.

[Rick James]

Um, Kat, Drag Queens are a symbol of the left because they made themselves a symbol of the left.

Drawing on the work of José Esteban Muñoz, the authors discuss five interrelated elements of DQSH that offer early childhood educators a way into a sense of queer imagination: play as praxis, aesthetic transformation, strategic defiance, destigmatization of shame, and embodied kinship. Ultimately, the authors propose that “drag pedagogy” provides a performative approach to queer pedagogy that is not simply about LGBT lives, but living queerly. …

[...]

It may be that DQSH is “family friendly,” in the sense that it is accessible and inviting to families with children, but it is less a sanitizing force than it is a preparatory introduction to alternate modes of kinship. Here, DQSH is “family friendly” in the sense of “family” as an old-school queer code to identify and connect with other queers on the street.

[Rick James]

Ms. Timpf is confused between 'drag queens' and Drag Queens. Drag queens have been around for decades and weren't bothering anyone. Then some academics within the 'queer movement' said (and in some cases literally) "Now let's go after your children".

Drag queens became a problem when the concept was hijacked by the trans movement. No one in 1987 went to a drag show and said, "That's a woman". Literally everyone said, "That's a dude in drag, and that's fucking hilarious".

[Rick James]

This is this head-in-the-sand brand of libertarian retardation that really chaps my ass. Drag queens have been doing their bawdy, sexualized shows by the tens of thousands for decades to great acclaim from twittering audiences in side-street cafes, late at night and no one ever made a peep.

Then around 2015, the left made Drag Queens political, demanded it be in public libraries, in schools because drag was suddenly an act of ‘queering education’, and some people pushed back and said, “hang on a second”. They were called ‘bigots’. I’m not sure how you can be bigoted against a dude in a dress… but there you have it. What we ended up with was a group of people with defensive knife wounds on their hands, arms and faces being told to ‘tone down the rhetoric’, quit making everything political– and then were told we could all just agree to disagree about drag queen story hour and continue to have government funding for it.

Once you understand what the entire political purpose is of the “Queer movement” as a political force, you should be reasonably horrified. But sure, Kat, that drag queen show you went to in 1997 in the middle of the night when you were sad over your abusive relationship is what everyone’s thinking of when an eyebrow gets raised over ‘Drag Queens’.

[Rick James]

Huh, Reason eating comments with certain links in them... mainstream links... Hey Reason, you doing that because of your inclusion on the Disinfo index?

[JesseAz (5-30 Banana Republic Day)]

You can usually add them in an edit.

[Rick James]

Yeah, tried multiple times... they didn't like that link source. So fuck it, I just gave them the New York Budget records directly. That way it's harder for anyone to claim "Russian disinfo op!"

[Rick James]

So, since Reason eats comments with links to news organizations that reported on this... probably to keep the mosquitos of 'disinfo" off their backs, here's the raw source to public monies being spent on Drag Queen Story Hour.

So once again, the useful idiots of "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" version of libertarianism, why is it all the people doing what thy wilt keeps not only costing me money, but always appears to be a system to transform society and build the New Soviet Man?

[Dakotian]

Timpf was on Rogan promoting her book. I think Rogan brought up Drag Queen story hours and commented on how creepy they are. Timpf agreed with him I believe. It was a quick comment so she might have been just agreeing with the host, but it did come up.

[Rick James]

Look, this discussion is more complex than "so... what say you about drag queens, thumbs up or thumbs down?"

She's talking about drag queens as a non-political, harmless adult entertainment feature. This country was WWWWAYYY more "homophobic" in 1993 than it is in 2024, and you couldn't throw a rock in a major blue city and not hit a drag queen show. FFS, Rue Paul's Drag Race debuted in 2009.

That's NOT what Drag Queen Story Hour is about. Drag Queen Story Hour is an explicitly political movement literally designed to teach your children "alternate modes of kinship"... per their own fucking words!

[mad.casual]

She’s talking about drag queens as a non-political, harmless adult entertainment feature. This country was WWWWAYYY more “homophobic” in 1993 than it is in 2024, and you couldn’t throw a rock in a major blue city and not hit a drag queen show. FFS, Rue Paul’s Drag Race debuted in 2009.

Yeah. Snipes, Swayze, and Leguizamo starred in To Wang Fu in 1995. The Rocky Horror Picture show, rated R, did late night screenings across the US and on Halloween, for decades. And this is actually pretty central and opposed to her "MUH BINARY THINKING!" narrative.

As demonstrated with DeSantis' Law, if the law literally says "No naked adults or sexual displays around children." queers, drag queens, and advocates will judge it both as non-applicable because it doesn't clearly specify that it applies to their portion of the gender (or lack thereof) spectrum *and* discriminatory because it's being used to target them. And you're being a divisive, mansplaining, binary-thinking, bigoted asshole for thinking it has to be one or the other and that the argument that it's both makes the whole thing (all four potential binary interpretations or outcomes) false.

It's fundamentally the same bowf sidez, "borders are just a figment of imagination", nihilist top hat (Nothing means anything, but be amazed as I pull a non-binary gender spectrum out of my hat!) argument.

[Rick James]

Man, I forgot about To Wong Fu... yeah 1993, and it was a smash hit movie. So yeah, Kat, why did the drag queen hate mysteriously pop up after 2015? It's a puzzlement!

[mad.casual]

it was a smash hit movie

I was gonna say I don't remember it being particularly unpopular, but not a smash hit but... Holy Shit! More total gross than Tommy Boy, Heat, Forest Gump, Billy Madison, The Usual Suspects, The Lion King, The Shawshank Redemption...?!?!?

I *do* remember it being less generally controversial or titillating than Showgirls or Interview With A Vampire.

[Rick James]

It's like when the media was saying “there is no border crisis” I’ll give you a month on that, because I’m going to assume that you haven’t sent a reporter out of DC or midtown Manhattan to one of those icky flyover states to actually look at the border. But at some point, your ignorance on the issue become so profound that I’m going to consider you no longer ignorant, but an active participant in the obfuscation effort.

[Rick James]

You know who else is non-binary?

[Chumby]

Davis Love III?

[diver64]

Your in or your out. Us v Them. It's evolutionary thinking. Your either in the tribe or your not. It's interesting how modern politicians play the game not even realizing what they are doing.

[Butler T. Reynolds]

Is that you, Michael Malice?

[TJJ2000]

Binary thinking is but a consequence of majority [WE] mob RULES ideology.

Ask yourself; would there be such a binary political environment if government were LIMITED by the US Constitution?

The US (by definition) isn't broken. The 'democratic' [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] ignoring that Supreme Law is what broke the nation. The lefts 'binary' (Identify-as) gang building in [WE] RULE pursuits is EXACTLY where the binary thinking roots begin.

[Vesicant]

Timpf is the libbertarian equivalent of Kamala Harris. Timpf cackles, spouts word salads, and has nary a coherent thought. She thinks she's the nice Ann Coulter. Oh, and add poseur -- the eyewear? Not prescription, just plain unground glass. You can tell because they don't magnify her eyes.