Russ Roberts: Life in Israel Since October 7
A discussion with economist, podcaster, and Shalem College President Russ Roberts in the wake of the October 7 terrorist attacks in Israel

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When Russ Roberts, an economist and host of the podcast EconTalk, received a job offer to become president of Jerusalem's Shalem University, it seemed like "a no-brainer," he wrote in his 2022 book Wild Problems: A Guide to the Decisions That Define Us. Giving up his ability to work from his home in America on whatever interested him intellectually as a fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution? "Only a fool would take the job," he wrote. But that was only if one considered the opportunity using a purely utilitarian pro/con checklist. For Roberts, this was a "wild problem," one that required him to consider "who I am and who I want to be." And with that in mind, he said, "it was a no-brainer in the other direction." He took the job and moved to Israel in 2021.
Reason's Liz Wolfe and Zach Weissmueller spoke with Roberts about Hamas' October 7 terrorist attacks in Israel and their aftermath. They discussed how the attacks have transformed Israeli culture and politics, what it's like to live within a 90-second missile trip from Gaza, how a free society should respond to openly anti-Jewish rallies and actions such as tearing down hostage posters, and what the relationship between the United States and Israel has been and should be.
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You some kind of anarchist son?
I also prefer English units over metric.
It's always fun to pick on a metric fanatic by asking them how they deal with those other non-10 bases of 60, 60, 24, 7, 28, 29, 30, 31, 12, 365, 366.
Base 60 worked well for thousands of years, but it requires learning a different concept of arithmetic.
In flight school the instructor mentioned that he wasn't sure why aviation hasn't switched to metric, my responce was we still us degrees instead of radians, his responce was I didn't notice that
The English system is superior to Metric. When I try to point out why, I get nothing but ridicule in response. That's OK, because we've won—the English system is not going away in our country.
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What have they ever done for us?
Because it looks like we just give them billions of dollars every year and they don’t do jack shit for us. The IDF is just an extension of the US MIL to have influence in the Middle East.
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Scores of Jewish orgs are now leading aggressive doxxing/harassment campaigns against all who dare object to the wildly dishonest propaganda campaign to push us into war with Iran for the strategic interests of Rothschild Israel..
How is this allowed?
Why is it tolerated?
Read the replies - these networks want to hunt down and absolutely destroy anyone openly critical of Israel.
Dual citizen networks, operating within our own borders, exclusively for the interests of foreign powers.
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Hey, you are an antisemite if you criticize Israel, central banks, Trotsky, the media, white privilege, Zelinsky, and so on. Didn't you get the script? This isn't the 1980s when you could actually question Israel's policies and not be labeled an anti-semite.
You may or may not be an antisemite, though that's really beside the point. One can be called an antisemite if one utilizes antisemitic tropes. Now reasonable, well-informed and educated individuals can easily recognize these tropes - both in word and in writing - and that is enough.
What you surely are though is a person who is utterly uninformed, misinformed and mislead regarding all things Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict. You have demonstrated that much below in your other comment. So does it matter if someone is just stupid or if someone is a stupid antisemite or if someone is an Islamist on a "holy" war against all Jews? It really doesn't matter, not from the perspective of the facts: either you are factual or you aren't.
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Read the replies – these networks want to hunt down and absolutely destroy anyone openly critical of Israel.
... and here's why that's a good thing!
How about a podcast on Palestinians living in the occupied west bank? How far right zionists (many from NYC) in "settlements" steal their private property, limit their ability to travel and make a living and so on?
Israel is basically an Eastern European colony in the middle east. America needs to understand this. Hell, they dont even have a constitution because they couldn't figure out how one can be authorized religious state and have "others" live there in a democracy. In ethics, morals, and humanity, Israel is not America..it is Ukraine which is fine but in the end Israel as Dick Nixon said it not very important to the security of the US. AIPAC aside....it isn't.
There's no such thing as a "Palestinian", not anymore. During the British Mandate era anyone who had valid papers from the authorities was a Palestinian: Jews, Arabs (Moslems), Arabs (Christians), Druze. Golda Meir was a Palestinian up until 1948 when she acquired new papers and a new passport from the re-established State of Israel. The Palestinian Arabs and their descendants are not at all separate the Arab Ummah, and their faux-identity was the product of a Soviet-Arab scheme in the early 60's. Mint you, I wouldn't even go as far as to say that Lebanese or Syrian makes any sense today, considering their infamous internecine wars and the failed status of their states. They just happened to have lived/born within the borders created by the Power That Be at the time. Yet even if we'd be kind enough to say that "oh well, maybe it's a totes new identity made up by the KGB, but it IS there and it DOES exist" then the glaringly obvious truth would still remain: they're the only group in existence whose core identity is explicitly genocidal, quasi-irredentist, and contingent on the destruction of the sale Jewish State.
There's no "occupation" in the so called "West Bank". Occupation requires two sovereign states and a war aggression. Since there never was a sovereign state called 'Palestine', and the so called 'Palestinians' don't have sovereignty (or any legitimate claim) to said territories, they cannot possibly occupied by Israel, who won a war of defense, rather than an aggression in 1967. The name 'West Bank' is obsolete and illegal, since it was made-up my Transjordan (now Jordan) in order to deny Jewish rights to that land (after ethnically cleansing all Jews, occupying, and annexing that same land). They ruled over the area for 19 years, but before that and since, the correct name for the territories are Yehuda and Shomron (Judea and Samaria in Roman/Latin). The Ottoman's also had a different name for those areas, and they had actual sovereignty for far longer than the Jordanians, yet we don't refer to those areas as by those names either.
Jews/Israelis/Zionists aren't stealing private property from those Arabs living in the territories. The so called "settlements" are by and large concentrated in a small portion of the entire territory, along where they're growing, but not really expanding, and they're almost perfectly situated in Area C, a territory that is under full Israeli control, and was never meant to be given away without any final status agreement. Jews even before 1948 were buying lands from the Arabs, including absentee landlords, which was completely legal too. And the Jewish presence, including the "close settlement of the region" are underpinned by League of Nation's mandate i.e. international law. But we have to see how the entire argument doesn't make any sense and it is inherently anti-Jewish. People who say that Jews cannot live there (because reasons), that Jews building homes are criminals and deserve to die (because reasons), or that Arabs have the right to make their non-sovereign state Judenfrei (because of reasons) are totally out of their mind and virtues. If the Arabs are bent on making the land Judenfrei, then I believe the Jews have a right to self-defend themselves proactively.
Israel is not an "Eastern European colony in the ME". While the founders of the state were by and large Ashkenazi, the majority of the Jewish population in Israel today are Mizrahim i.e. ME Jews kicked out by the Arab World after Israel's rebirth. Isn't it ironic? They're literally are not White, not on the average at least, so all talking points of the antisemitic Left and Right are moot. And it's not a "colony" either, it is a restored sovereign state, a land where the indigenous population - previously kicked out by foreign armies and powers - have managed to return and restore their sovereignty i.e. exercising their right to self-determination.
Israel is not a theocracy, Israel inherited a legal practice from the Ottoman Empire and the Mandate period whereby ethno-religious groups divided into millets. These millets are responsible for most things religious, including marriages, funerals and so on. Thus, Israel does not forbid Jews to marry Arabs, whether they can marry is a question of their religion. A Muslim man can marry anyone, while a Muslim woman cannot marry anyone but another Muslim. Why would anyone blame Israel for allowing religious autonomy to these factions, when it is their choice, and it would only cause turmoil if the state wanted to interfere in their affairs. Otoh, Israel is a liberal democracy, so while the state does not exercise any powers on religious matters, it does recognize marital status (which includes same sex marriages) and marriage certificates officiated outside of their borders, heck... they even accept Zoom marriages officiated in Israel!
Where's the Laughing Face emoji?
How about a group podcast with the leaders of Iran, Jordan, and Syria asking them why they concider the palisitinians animals and refuse to let them in their country?
Palestine is an Israeli problem. Expecting Iran et al to step in pull Israeli coals from the fire is naive. Expecting them to be a party to Israeli forced population transfers is naive.
"There’s no such thing as a “Palestinian”, not anymore. "
The PM Netanyahu is constantly referring to Palestinians in his speeches:
"I’ve long sought to make peace with the Palestinians. But I also believe that we must not give the Palestinians a veto over new peace treaties with Arab states,”
“The Palestinians could greatly benefit from a broader peace. They should be part of that process, but they should not have a veto over the process.”
etc.
What does BB know that you don't?
So whatever Netanyahu says or had ever said is a fact now? Good to know, misconstrueman!
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When BB mentions 'Palestinians' who or what is he talking about?
He probably refers to the faux-refugee Sunni Arabs of the Levant who misleadingly self-identify as "Palestinians" despite not being an actual people/nation/ethnicity that is separate from the Arab Ummah. Now that I wrote this all down it DOES seem to be easier to use the P-word for simplicity's sake... perhaps Netanyahu didn't have enough time to elaborate!
"He probably refers to the faux-refugee Sunni Arabs of the Levant who misleadingly self-identify as “Palestinians"
And the Christian Arabs? Aren't they also faux-refugees who misleadingly refer to themselves as Palestinians? How does BB refer to these?
" perhaps Netanyahu didn’t have enough time to elaborate!"
Israeli leaders have officially recognized and been negotiating and dealing with the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority for years now. They've have had plenty of time to elaborate.
Anyone who's treated by the UNRWA as a refugee is a faux-refugee, yes.
Israeli leaders - especially the leftist ones - made some terrible mistakes, so?
"Israeli leaders – especially the leftist ones – made some terrible mistakes, so?"
I think we've all made mistakes. You too, struggling to define a people you claim don't exist, for example.
There's no struggling on my part. I was pretty thorough in my initial comment that you've managed to misconstrue. But let me reiterate then:
1. The conflict prior to 48' was an Arab-Jewish conflict, for there were no "Palestinians" at the time, everything that did carry that name means something Jewish, the Jews or the Land of Israel to be precise. This was true even before the Mandate period to some extent, as Jew-haters all over the world used the phrase "Go Back to Palestine" as a slur against Jews. Then the conflict was renamed after 48' since Israel made a foolish PR mistake by re-branding itself unto the original Hebrew name (understandable, but was a big mistake in retrospect). The conflict afterwards was referred to as Arab-Israeli, since the entire Arab League was against the sole Jewish State, waging wars and lawfare against them. And finally, starting from the 70's, the world started to fall victim of the KGB narrative, which claims that there's "a people" called Palestinians who are somehow unique, different and separate from the Arabs of the Levant (they're not).
2. Just because they're people i.e. human beings it doesn't mean that they're "a people" so you should appreciate the difference between these two. That's why I included nation/ethnicity above to make sure that there's no room for misunderstanding.
3. Alas, even if we'd swallowed the Arab-Soviet narrative of Palestinianism hook, line and sinker, and consider them a "nation of their own" from the 70's and onward, one ought to point out the obvious:
a, their entire identity is built around the existence of the Jewish State, which in their eyes is a problem, and so they want to destroy it at all costs
b, they hate Jews to the point where they're the single most antisemitic group on this planet, with their members above the age of 50 being 98% Jew-hating (and this isn't the kind of soft Jew-hatred either, this is the genocidal one)
c, they would never have arisen without the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel i.e. Zionism, and they would never have been used as a weapons had their enemies been non-Jewish (the Arab League and the USSR found a perfect weapon to use against both Israel and the West)
d, it is a historical fact that they never wanted a state of their own really (hence, claims to their wish to self-determine are lies), that's why they refused every single opportunity to that end, and the PLO itself explicitly stated that they exercise no territorial claims to the (then Egyptian controlled) Gaza Strip and to the (then Jordanian controlled) territories (incorrectly referred to as the "West Bank" in msm)... they only "realized" they want those land AND a state right after Israel took control of those territories in 67' (isn't it funny?)
But please, do go ahead and misconstrue all these historical facts.
"1. The conflict prior to 48′ was an Arab-Jewish conflict, "
I'm referring to today. And BB is also talking about today, not some time in the past. Whether of not something existed in the past, it exists today, otherwise BB wouldn't be talking about it.
2. it doesn’t mean that they’re “a people”
They are a people because they share an attachment to the land of Palestine, making them unique in the Arab world. The Egyptians are Arabs like the Palestinians but they have no collective attachment to Palestine. They share an attachment to Egypt, hence we, BB and myself included, call them Egyptian.
3. " their entire identity ...." "they hate Jews..."
What's with the 'they' business? If you are referring to a group humans who exist, give them a name. Hiding behind pronouns isn't fooling anyone.
Retarded fucking cancer, it is in the palistienian government's charter that jews and Isreal shouldn't exist. Kill yourself
"it is in the palistienian government’s charter that jews and Isreal shouldn’t exist"
Relax. It takes more than a charter to make Israel cease to exist. Hamas is in no position to occupy Israeli cities or defeat the Israeli military. Especially if you believe they don't exist.
That the jews left palistine for a decade and after ten years the animals attacked them again?
The animals want more. They're not satisfied.