Alito, Abortion, and Autonomy
Plus: ruminations on public health, misinformation, and media literacy

In the latest Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Peter Suderman, Katherine Mangu-Ward, and Nick Gillespie unpack the leaked draft opinion concerning abortion.
1:31: The great Dobbs debate
29:17: Weekly Listener Question: It seems to me that ostensibly "public health" or "public good" policies at their core often betray a deep condescension on the part of the "people in charge." In the case of cigarettes, Jacob Sullum says that the ban suggests that "consumers are no match for Big Tobacco's persuasive wiles," and similarly, it seems like a lot of the mis/disinformation discourse imagines the American public as empty vessels, just waiting to be filled with Russian propaganda, vaccine misinformation, claims of election fraud, or whatever the topic of the moment is, and assumes that people just simply aren't smart enough or capable to determine what's true from what isn't. Katherine touched on the importance of media literacy this week, and all of you have touched on it in different ways in other episodes, but I'd be interested in hearing more about how you see the role that personal responsibility should have in figuring out the quality of information.
46:27 Media recommendations for the week.
This week's links:
"Josh Blackman: Sam Alito, Roe v. Wade, and Libertarians," by Nick Gillespie
"What the Leaked Abortion Opinion Gets Wrong About Unenumerated Rights," by Damon Root
"The Impact of Overturning Roe v. Wade Will Be Less Dramatic Than Abortion-Rights Activists Fear," by Jacob Sullum
"A Taxonomy To Measure Supreme Court Leaks," by Josh Blackman
"Marco Rubio Wants To Fight Abortion and Trans Battles in the Tax Code," by Joe Lancaster
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HOLY SHIT WE GET IT ALREADY
I don’t actually listen to the podcast. I recommend Dave Smith’s Part of the Problem if anyone wants a consistent, actual libertarian podcast. But I’m assuming it’s a dishonest discussion of the facts on behalf of abortion?
You are correct, sir. This dumpster fire of a podcast was filled with disinformation and almost no libertarian principles. I have listened to most of their podcasts the past few years, and this one was the worst of all, by far.
KMW is the worst. She can only see 'my body my choice' and completely disregards that at some point there is a second person with equal rights and the entire argument is about when that occurs. She is just plain embarrassingly ignorant. She says "how do we make a system that makes the most people the most well off," completely ignoring whether such system tramples peoples' rights.
Gillespie calls people who favor federalism "results based" and then turns around and says the last 50 years have given good results, so let's ignore principle and process. He thinks we have a "consensus" that works, so why use the constitutional process.
Matt displays his ignorance of basketball and his provincialism, believing the Lakers 'invented' a new style of hoops in the '80's, when, of course, the Celtics beat the Lakers repeatedly in the '60's using exactly this style (and it was probably old already).
The only thing they get right is their disdain for John Roberts.
I'm always surprised at how many faux-libertarians are to be found in the comment section. I mean there are reaganites who are clearly not libertarians, MAGAs who are the antithesis of free thought, and classical conservative who claim to be libertarians but only if a libertarian is a white, straight, christian male. It's fucking hilarious.
Yeah, you see lots of things that don't exist because you're a mentally ill clinically retarded subhuman pedophile, shreek.
Without reading the article let me guess what this article says: abortion has an a.) for argument and a b.) anti argument. Therefore, gee, since we can’t decide which one is better let’s just whatever hayseed government they have there in Arkanistan to strap down Ms. Three months Pregnant down in a gurney and wait this one out for another six months. Which I’m fine with. As a gay Black man who is GOP Proud like normal Joes Caitlin and Milo limited government has its place and that place is with big dicks and guns— not smelly vaginas.
Still not trying, Shrike.
Do you suppose anyone finds this the least bit amusing?
It's GOProud, shreek. GOProud. Not GOP Proud. I know you like to fuck 5 year old kids, but you don't need to spell like one. One wonders if you sent your NAMBLA dues to the correct address.
1:31 - The great Dobbs debate
Why does everyone keep talking about Lou Dobbs today?
What most people don't know, or refuse to believe, is that the "quickening", as the dividing line between "ok but don't talk about it" and "illegal if you talk about it", was accepted 200 years ago. The the Protestant powers-that-be got alarmed about all the Papists coming in from Ireland and Italy, and started campaigning in state legislatures to make all abortion illegal, to raise the Protestant birth rate.
Highlander joke
So which side did Connor Macleod come down on?
I think he was a rear-entry guy.
Actually Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood in order to force down the birthrates of blacks.
Sanger was a eugenicist like Bill Gates. Planned Parenthood sole aim was to reduce the number of black children being born.
It is surprising how many people do not know that Sanger was heavily into eugenics and socialism. Fundamentally, planned parenthood has a poisoned beginning.
Sure, buddy, sure. Don't miss that next dose of lithium, set an alarm!
Which part of that do you think is not true, shreek? Feel free to post your sources. Should be pretty easy since it's all delusional nonsense, right? Go ahead...
"people just simply aren't smart enough or capable to determine what's true from what isn't. "
The education advocates of 120 years ago used this argument to push for tax funded public schools. Twelve decades later but they won't admit they failed.
I feel like if I had a podcast in the most well known “libertarian” publication, and it had under 10 comments more than 5 hours after it was posted, until the comment criticizing me put me over, I’d question if I was fulfilling the role of most well known “libertarian” publication appropriately, and hadn’t devolved into controlled opposition for the Democrat Party.
Then again I’m not funded by a globalist billionaire, so what do I know?
I see the DOJ: Environmental Justice Unit still hasn't warranted a mention.
Many Reason staff are apparently on-board with adding a prefix to justice and granting more power to unelected bureaucrats. They voted for the authoritarian braggart and grifter in the Oval Office, knowing full well what he was and what he would do based on his record.
^^^ exactly this
Get the fuck over abortion already. It's really not everyone's number one issue.
Just ask Obama, who was the last pro-choice prez with a super majority that didnt want to waste any time legislating it.
Move the fuck on. The govt is making anti-liberty moves daily.
Actually the SCOTUS didn't outlaw anything. They merely ruled the matter belongs to the states respectively.
So when crowds of angry leftists show up at the judge's homes and threaten them with violence, it seems that law enforcement merely stands there with their thumbs up their arses.
And Merrick Garfinkle apparently sees nothing wrong with it , or that fire bombing certain offices dedicated to helping women is no big deal either.
But just say anything critical of Joe Biden's Obama policies and see what happens to you!
INSURRECTION!
And so sayeth the NYT, WAPO, CNN....it doesn't count when "their side" does it because their hearts are in the right place.
The same wise states that want to keep people from getting abortions in other states and think their jurisdiction extends there? Those states? lmfao No aborition is a personal right and should remain that way. The SCOTUS has gone from a generally respected government branch to MAGA circus. Get ready for the whiplash folks, by 2024 there will be 3 new liberal justices added. The MAGAts over played their hand.
No such states exist, shreek. On the other hand, SCOTUS *did* extend states' taxing authority to every other state in the union. I haven't seen you shitting your pedo-pants over that. I wonder why that is?
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
Word.
I actually like the podcast (*ducks*)...
But I agree with the sentiment that the panel should at least acknowledge the libertarian case for overturning Roe. I mean, "Abortion literally isn't in the Constitution, and the opinion does not attempt to root it in any provision of the Constitution." is at least something you have to deal with, right?
Further, Libertarianism needs to be rooted in the rule of law and proper process. Without those things, government power is arbitrary and ruled by the mob or un-democratic authoritarians.
Indeed, Josh Blackman has done a great job identifying the problems with Roe in some magazine or blog out there from an at least somewhat libertarian perspective.
Again, just an acknowledgement of the complexities of the issue is all I request.
I was actually shocked by the sheer lack of curiosity. They didn't even pretend to try to treat this issue with the nuance it deserves. Really a low point for the podcast in my opinion.
Well, they aren't really Libertarians, so.... the issue was handled exactly the way you'd expect from a group of Progressives. No surprise. This is what Reason has become...
The podcast is fine. If you've been around this comment section as long as I have you realize that it's mostly been taken over by MAGA crackpots and angry old white straight faux-christian males.
You said the same thing about the BUSHPIGS for 8 straight years whenever anyone in the Reason comments didn't sufficiently genuflect to radical leftist bullshit, shreek. It's almost like your motivated reasoning allows you see bogeymen everywhere because you're a simple minded partisan sack of shit whose brain is smaller than his flaccid micropenis.
I'm not a huge fan of the podcast, but agree that the comment sections of Reason is far different than it was 10 years ago. I look occasionally but rarely post. Some of the names here are those that were claiming Trump was going to win, the election was stolen, Sidney Powell was an Avengers-level attorney who would change everything, blah blah blah.
I don't usually agree with the commentariat's criticisms about reason, but hoooollllyyyy shiiiiitt this episode's discussion of Dobbs was a dumpster fire. They have pro-life libertarians on staff, and even pimped Nick's interview with Josh Blackman, and yet refuse to even acknowledge the idea that there are good faith libertarian arguments against Roe. Would it have really been that difficult to put Staphanie Slade on the podcast to offer a dissenting opinion? The one sided incuriousness of this episode was disappointing and out of character.
"I don't usually agree with the commentariat's criticisms about reason"
Why not? It's clear the Reason has become a hard left, progressive magazine. The lack of a dissenting view point that you see, that is Proggy 101.
"commentariat's"
"Contrarians" dont agree with anything.