Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: How To Avoid 'Absolutely Catastrophic' COVID Mistakes
The anti-lockdown Stanford public health professor on being attacked by Fauci, the loss of trust in medical experts, and how to save science going forward.
On October 4, 2020, when COVID-19 was raging, American schools were mostly shuttered, and vaccines were believed to be years away—a team of top researchers at the world's most prestigious universities, including Stanford's Jay Bhattacharya, Harvard's Martin Kulldorff, and Oxford's Sunetra Gupta—published the Great Barrington Declaration, a controversial open letter challenging the official U.S. response of lockdowns and government control of ever-larger parts of the economy and everyday life.
Recognizing that COVID overwhelmingly affected elderly Americans and others with specific, identifiable health conditions, they called for a policy of "focused protection," in which the vulnerable would be kept safe and the rest of us, especially children and young adults, would be able to get on with our lives.
The response at the very highest levels of government was quick and draconian. Francis Collins, then the director of the National Institutes of Health, wrote a private email to Anthony Fauci, which was later obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, denouncing Bhattacharya, Kulldorff, and Gupta as "fringe epidemiologists" who deserved to be the subject of a media "takedown."
"Big tech outlets like Facebook and Google followed suit, suppressing our ideas, falsely deeming them 'misinformation,' says Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford who also holds a Ph.D. in economics. "I started getting calls from reporters asking me why I wanted to 'let the virus rip,' when I had proposed nothing of the sort. I was the target of racist attacks and death threats."
I sat down with Bhattacharya to talk about what it was like to be at the very center of an official effort to suppress heterodox thinking about the pandemic, why he believes he and his Great Barrington Declaration co-authors have been vindicated, and whether the public health establishment can ever recover from ongoing revelations of incompetence, malfeasance, and politically motivated decision-making. He also discusses how the centralization of science funding encourages dangerous groupthink, why he believes in mRNA vaccines but remains staunchly anti-mandate, and why he stopped wearing masks a long time ago.
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Again, clear evidence of what so many on the left have been denying for YEARS.
Read that email thread, and it is clear that Collins (NIH Director), Fauci and a host of friendly scientists in Academia are coordinating the creation of a narrative in media that then is used to have Facebook and Twitter censor the scientific opinions of well respected scientists.
This doesn't require a malicious conspiracy for anyone who loves freedom to be worried. When Government functionaries can get scientists access to the biggest media platforms in the world to attack viewpoints they don't like, and then those attacks are used to censor the viewpoints, we have basically handed over all control to the government.
How 'bout we take the temperature down on what Fauci did and focus on what's important here: libsofTiktok!
Right.
We have seen that many of the scientists in the same circle of scientists were behind the infamous open letter in Nature(?) that attempted to declare the lab leak theory as out of bounds.
These people are coordinating behind the scenes to manufacture the appearance natural consensus and it is undermining any credibility the public has in the science.
Hey, research grants don't grow on trees.
Neither do good jobs.
You need what Taleb calls "fuck you money"; enough that nothing can be done to you financially without a "fuck you" in reply.
That sucks, because my primary qualification as a research virologist was that I had a tall ladder.
Hell, you could look at the difference between churches were treated vs BLM rallies to see they were making up the rules as they went along and for whatever they felt like.
Want to go to your mom's funeral? You're going to kill everyone there.
Want to go burn down the neighborhood in the name of Social Justice? That's perfectly fine, don't even need to wear a mask.
ENB assures us that any disbelief in the all powerful all knowing government is just far right conspirisy theory. It doesn't matter that there is evidence showing coordination to firm a false narrative, or the fact that the same govwment officials say the will lie if it helps them politically. Nope thats all your crazy alt right consporicy
And totes has no bearing on an election outcome that was completely inconsistent with its own internal data...
That's misinformation. There's nothing to see here. Stop looking. Or else.
Fascists gotta do fascism.
Remember, remember, the eighth of November.
Jay was available for interview in early 2020. Just sayin'.
Be fair. Reason staffers were still dealing with late stage TDS and getting wait-listed for all the DNC campaign parties.
He was and I saw him on Michael Smerconish's show on CNN. THought his approach made sense, but there were no real takers at the time.
Dr Jay is a hero! What Francis Collins and Tony Fauci did to him were surreal. Never did I think medicine would succumb to such political machinations but here we are. Aspiring physicians should take note.
Dr Jay wrote an excellent piece on Bari Weiss’ substack:
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/a-warning-from-shanghai
Step 1 kill progressives
No step2
Well, "Step 2: Clean weapons", I mean, be professional for shit sake.
I mean, you let that shit go too long and that "$50 off your next Tune-n-Sharpen" coupon you got from your local Guillotineries de Normandie won't put a dent in the bill.
$50 gets me a whetstone and I can go for months on that with a bit of elbow grease.
Who cares if it's particularly sharp, as long as it's heavy enough to do the job adequately? I mean, you could use raw 1/2" plate, as long as you had enough mass behind it and a long enough drop.
And hell, be efficient about it. Have the condemned wind the ratchet to raise the blade before assuming the position. For maximum efficiency, they could even be made to trip the lever themselves, before the next one in line comes to clean up for their turn.
The response at the very highest levels of government was quick and draconian. Francis Collins, then the director of the National Institutes of Health, wrote a private email to Anthony Fauci, which was later obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, denouncing Bhattacharya, Kulldorff, and Gupta as "fringe epidemiologists" who deserved to be the subject of a media "takedown."
As I've pointed out before:
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR's Academy of Sciences, and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.
Stalin appointed Beria to oversee the first Soviet bomb (built from US blueprints purloined by the Brit agent Fuchs). Several of the physicists were not familiar with the degree to which all science had been politicized and Kurchatov had to beg Stalin for the life of those who criticized Lysenko.
How To Avoid 'Absolutely Catastrophic' COVID Mistakes
All the big mistakes were made by government coercion of free citizens.
Just sayin'
I can't imagine why anyone would be suspicious of scientific warnings about climate change. Government and scientists always work together ethically and transparently for the common good.
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But you're pretty good.
OBL is definitely the great one. It's an honor to even be mentioned in the same sentence!
It's hard to comment seriously on some of these articles. I don't know how many times we can keep saying how bad the government and media's overbearing response to COVID was.
"...It's hard to comment seriously on some of these articles. I don't know how many times we can keep saying how bad the government and media's overbearing response to COVID was."
We are just now beginning to pay for two years of a planned economy, and it seems we're a long, long ways from an actual recovery. These bastards should be looking at every way possible to reduce any mandate which has any effect on the economy at all instead of trying to justify a continuation.
We should have been rioting in the streets in February 2020, hanging Newsom in effigy!
"Effigy"? Is that out between Blythe and Barstow?
Non related to this article but related to Sevo's comment, Ol' Mr Newsome is shocked that MT people aren't nice to him as he's been building his new house in a private community in my neck of the woods.
Got some hot tar and feathers? I know a very good use for them.
I wonder if it could legally be interpreted as an actionable threat to hire a roofing company and a chicken farmer to repeatedly drive past his house.
It's frustrating that the CA GOP couldn't get out of it's own way and let Newsom make the recall election about Trump instead of the real issues in CA.
I think most Californians -even some liberal Democrats - wanted their kids to be able to go to school and wanted to be able to go to church and restaurants and baseball games and the beach.
Here's a sure way to "absolutely avoid catastrophic COVID mistakes."
Don't listen or obey anything the CDC, the WHO or Fauci says.
Start by firing Fauci.
You left out "squad" between "firing" and "Fauci".
One of Trump's biggest fuckups.
Given that immunity from catching Covid has a limited life (about 6 months), may not be transferable to other variants, of which we have new ones every 4-6 months, and that some significant percentage of those who catch Covid (as high as 29%) do not develop immunity, and that long covid is not fully understood, this guy and the Puny Barrington Declaration couldn't have been more wrong and thanks to Fauci and other epidemiologists around the world, their idea died.
So we are all going to die?
Again.
"Given that immunity from catching Covid has a limited life (about 6 months), may not be transferable to other variants, of which we have new ones every 4-6 months, and that some significant percentage of those who catch Covid (as high as 29%) do not develop immunity"
But somehow the Pfizer vaccine doesn't have those problems and it should be mandatory, right?
You don't get Covid in order to get the Pfizer vaccine Mother, and if you do get it, the odds are much improved that you will not end up in the ICU or croak. Boosters are readily available.
Minus my hugely increased risk to heart disease, of course. And I'll take a stroke over a cold any day!
Reactivation of latent illness, who cares? If you've dealt with herpes once you can do it again, amirite?
And if the wonderful Trump Juice does transcribe itself into my DNA like it does in vivo with liver cells, that just means I can ALWAYS have these wonderful benefits!
Like Pfizer's new anti-clotting drug that targets exactly the clotting agent we're seeing in the vaccinated - what wisdom of forethought. We are blessed.
Salted, covid - and long covid - are greater threats to your heart than the vaccines.
Even allowing that to be true - which I also disagree with - you still have better health outcome odds NOT getting jabbed, as it does not prevent infection or transmission. Boost your heart disease risk and then catch Covid anyway for double the myocarditis risk! (Except it looks more like +60% Covid and +130-500% jabs.)
Additionally, as I have shared links to, those jabbed are at increased odds of catching new strains - not only has your immune system imprinted on an incomplete representation of an antiquated version of the virus, the jab also forms about equal parts non-neutralizing receptors that mediate infection of, rather than removal by your immune cells.
Long covid isn't a real thing. It's like chronic fatigue or IBS. Just a label to give to some set of symptoms without clear cause.
Rather interestingly, long covid correlates much more strongly to a belief that you have had covid than with actually having had covid.
It definitely makes you lag for a while. My foreman caught it early and he was short of breath for about 3 months. I got it Omicron wave and felt fatigued for a few weeks.
I can only imagine how the pale soyboys managed to struggle through without sunlight or exercise.
One correction: pretty much any respiratory infection can cause long term complications and symptoms for a small minority of people. So there is probably some real long-covid. But not really much different from long-flu or long-pneumonia that has always been a (rare) thing.
Zeb, you clearly no nothing about the virology of this disease or influenza or pneumonia, yet you rant on.
"Long covid isn't a real thing. It's like chronic fatigue or IBS."
Which are real aßhole.
Bye
What are you going to lament when COVID is gone? Figured you’d show up with your DNC sponsored lies.
No all, but you or your loved ones might. That's the crapshoot.
That sounds like a load of using words to try to come to a point about natural immunity without really doing it. Where I was at, it wasn't the people who had covid in January who were catching it, it was vaxxed who hadn't had it before and thought they were immune.
Zzz...
The right response at this point, I think.
*ahem*
Fourth time posting up the trend of negative efficacy for those of selective politically-aligned literacy.
Even with massaged data and the dwindling risk of each successively more benign variant, the jab is shit.
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/negative-vaccine-effectiveness-against-omicron-it-can-happen-but-not-always-bc101c242c51
At some point in your life consider the remote possibility that catching COVID isn't the only thing in the entire universe you and the government should be concerned with.
By any sane persons' calculations, the costs for the COVID prevention measures have far, far exceeded the benefits.
My favorite part is the dink calling epidemiologists at Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford 'fringe'. I mean, these places are probably over-rated, but they do generally hire top-notch researchers. If it was just one of them, maybe. But three? At top universities? (by reputation). It would take a fringe moron to make that claim.
Only one of the three authors is an epidemiologist and their "Declaration" was issued at a Libertarian think tank which also thinks climate change is not happening, not at a medical facility or research institute.
Excuse me, are you qualified to question that statement? No papers? Irrelevant opinion.
See how that "not a biologist" bullshit goes?
"I'm not an asshole, but I know what a Joe Friday is!" /British accent
Pure ad hominem. What's wrong with their arguments? That's all that's relevant.
This stuff can be analyzed effectively by anyone with a good handle on data and statistics. It's not some super-specialized, esoteric specialty to ask "did any of this shit actually work".
Zeb:
Given that immunity from catching Covid has a limited life (about 6 months), may not be transferable to other variants, of which we have new ones every 4-6 months, and that some significant percentage of those who catch Covid (as high as 29%) do not develop immunity, and that long covid is not fully understood, this guy and the Puny Barrington Declaration couldn't have been more wrong and thanks to Fauci and other epidemiologists around the world, their idea died.
^totally not a talking point. Tell me, what exactly did Fauci do to make everything better?
Those are not givens, but things actively being studied and debated. You are ignorant and willfully blind.
So you know Fauci and the CDC deliberately misrepresented and obfuscated data while shouting down and attempting to ruin dissenting voices... But this is a good thing because...?
As far as I can see, everything in the GBD has been proven correct, or at least has significant evidence to support it. Lockdowns did nothing and caused great harm. Young people face very little danger. We did do a terrible job protecting the most vulnerable and fucked up the lives of everyone else. That is not success.
Given that immunity from catching Covid has a limited life (about 6 months) FALSE
may not be transferable to other variants MAY NOT (it depends on the variant)
that some significant percentage of those who catch Covid (as high as 29%) do not develop immunity NOT ESTABLISHED
.
LOTS of BS being slung here.
.50 cents worth of a lies as usual
Zeb,
Have you done it. Where is your work published. Citation please. Put up or shut up.
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My favorite part is the dink calling epidemiologists at Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford 'fringe'. I mean, these places are probably over-rated, but they do generally hire top-notch researchers. If it was just one of them, maybe. But three? At top universities? (by reputation). It would take a fringe moron to make that claim.
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If you're not firing off brutal body blocks to any challengers, you're not sciencing right. Attempting to refute the challenges themselves is so cuck it's not even really science.
Science is just the modern day version of religion. Difference is that in history the kings believed in God and thus the church had the power. Now the kings have the money and the scientist-preists produce what they are told. The sadness of all of it is knowing that morality and ethics are no longer the drivers.
What's sad is that the politicization of science and the religious fervor around the left's "scientific" beliefs have destroyed a lot of people's faith in science.
The biggest change we need to make NOW is to eliminate emergency powers for health and scientific officials. We're supposed to live in a constitutional democracy not a secular theocracy ruled by public health priests/priestesses
Friend, you elected them to do just that.
Clearly everything that happened was planned, not a mistake and political, and had nothing to do with health or covid control
Once a coercive govt. (the world paradigm) is created (voting?) there is no way to limit it, legally. Law is for the ruled, not the rulers. The system in all jurisdictions is anti-rights/anti-reason/anti-order/anti-morality. Sacrificing all these for security achieves the opposite.
First, I heard of the Great Barrington Declaration early on and thought they had merit but were really not well worked out into a plan. I think that a big part of the problem was the former President's schizophrenic (Nick's words not mine) response. You had the dominate group calling for very strict measure, a group calling for no response and the former President just hoping it would all go away.
I think had people like Jay Bhattacharya gotten more support we might have seen some of their ideas implemented. That said, a focused response would have been costly and would have required some willingness to accept unpleasant things. That of course happen with the approach taken. I am saying that there is no cheap and easy way to address a pandemic.
I did find the interview a good postmortem analysis of the pandemic response. I hope there will be more and that they will come from a variety of viewpoints.
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