The Real War in Ukraine and the Culture War in Florida
Plus, is the "Libertarian tent" too big?
On this Monday's Reason Roundtable, with Katherine Mangu-Ward out, Matt Welch, Peter Suderman, Nick Gillespie, and special guest Fiona Harrigan discuss the latest on the war in Ukraine and the ongoing Disney "groomer" panic.
1:37: Ukraine update: What the U.S. should and shouldn't do in Ukraine
19:27: The great "groomer" debate.
38:01: Weekly Listener Question: "Can a tent be too big? I understand the definition of libertarianism is fluid, but there has to be limits to that. Any time someone tries to nail down a few ideas, it's always countered with them saying "no true Scotsman fallacy" or "libertarianism is the goal, but we need to be pragmatic in the short term". All of this, however, is a convoluted way for me to say the LP of NH, the Mises Caucus, and last week's Roundtable emailer are not libertarian and should stop using the word. DeSantinistas, Trumpers, pro-Putin trad cons, and all right-wing reactionaries need to be disavowed and loudly."
This week's links:
"From Iraq to Ukraine, the American Press Loves a War" by Fiona Harrigan
"Ukraine Crisis: U.S. Must Use Restraint" by Nick Gillespie
"'Equity,' 'Multiculturalism,' and 'Racial Prejudice,' Among Concepts That Could Be Banned in Schools by Wisconsin Bill" by Elizabeth Nolan Brown
"40 Years of Free Minds and Free Markets" by Brian Doherty
"Goodnight, Moonshot" by Matt Welch
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The libertarian tent is always welcome to campers of all walks of life.
If being a libertarian requires fully accepting pedophilia, child porn, and the sexualization of kids as young as six or seven years old, then that’s a movement I want absolutely nothing to do with and count me as being 100% on board Team DeSantis.
But I don’t accept that premise. Because for the most part, these dirtbags at Reason are not and never were libertarians. So stop pretending you’re in our tent, Park Slope Welchie Boy; you and most of the rest of your crew are pure scum.
Shorter Mikey:
UNLESS REASON WRITERS JOIN OUR MAGA CULT THEY REAL CONSERVATIVES!
DURHAM REPORT!
That comment about pedophilia really hit close to home, huh?
Jeffy got his shit pushed in over his comments in the daily links earlier. The vile unmuted Buttplug screeds of this afternoon reek of a handle co-opted to rage against his persecutors while still maintaining that his jeffy personae has some integrity.
Spoiler alert! These assholes have no integrity.
Apparently not wanting kids castrated or fucked by adults, not wanting Tom Sawyer and Dr. Seuss books burned, not wanting fossil fuels banned and not wanting a nuclear war with Russia, is all it takes to join a cult nowadays.
that was epic..you just destroyed the woke “libertarian retard left” ! Great job
Just give in to those “sad clown” urges you struggle with and step in front of a speeding train, you fat Ron Jeremy lookin’ pig.
If being a libertarian requires fully accepting pedophilia, child porn, and the sexualization of kids as young as six or seven years old, then that’s a movement I want absolutely nothing to do with and count me as being 100% on board Team DeSantis.
Who are the educators who are in favor of pedophilia?
Who are the educators who are in favor of child porn?
Who are the educators who are in favor of “the sexualization of kids as young as six or seven years old”? Who are they?
DeSantis has created an artificial moral panic and demagogued this issue so as to push his old-timey Team Red homophobia into the schools. And you and countless others have fallen for it. It is interesting how clearly you all can see when Team Blue is using children as props to push their agenda, but you have a much harder time seeing it when Team Red does the exact same thing as they are doing here. They are using FOR THE CHILDREN!!! as an excuse to muzzle teachers and push the idea that homosexuality itself is perverted, lewd, indecent, and even discussing that sometimes a man can fall in love with another man is “indecent sex talk” that kids have to be protected from by force of law.
The panic attack of you groomers shows there’s nothing artificial about it
If you ignore all evidence that contradicts your narrative, then there’s no evidence to contradict your narrative! Magic!
Here’s a group that is invested. Notice the target group.
Championing LGBTQ issues in K-12 education since 1990
GLSEN works to ensure that LGBTQ students are able to learn and grow in a school environment free from bullying and harassment. Together we can transform our nation’s schools into the safe and affirming environment all youth deserve.
https://www.glsen.org/
I would hardly take opposition to bullying of LGBTQ+ people as evidence of grooming. And while I don’t know if such bullying takes place among Kindergarteners, I do know from my own experience that it does take place as early as 6th Grade and goes on from there.
Here’s an educational institution that shut down an exploratory study on the phenom.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2018/12/queering-science
First Things first, linkie no workie.
And lastly, there is this stat. And the ‘lucrative’ benefit to the medical industry.
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/september/4-000-explosion-in-kids-identifying-as-transgender-docs-perform-double-mastectomies-on-healthy-teen-girls
That is a 4,000% increase. Nope, nothing to see here.
Jeffy will never click any of those links.
I know Christian Broadcasting Network isn’t a credible source for anything, especially after reading their absolutely lame arguments for the historicity of Jesus and his birth, death, and resurrection.
Look, I’m no fan of ChemJeff’s equally lame statements defending CRT and his thinly-veiled shilling for Progressive Democrats, but “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof,” especially when the claim involves criminal acts with children. People recklessly throwing around the term “grooming” may be grooming themselves for serious litigation at the very least.
The nub of the jist for anyone claiming the mantle of Libertarianism or any political philosophy remotely related should be educational freedom and Separation of Education and State.
You for starters, asshole.
My crew? I don’t work for reason. I was just being facetious.
Yes, you are are Republican. Out of the tent.
Yep…Matt just couldn’t get a gig at WaPo or hell Slate, Salon, or Vanity Fair.
Hey Suderman..Boy Scouts? What occurred to the Boy Scouts? They were sued to allow gay scout masters and then sued to bankruptcy right?
NO Nick..local school boards do not act in the interest of the parents. They are almost always made up of PTA moms who run and get voted in by their friends as popularity contests then have no ability to fight against the unions and administrators. Schools should be run by the local town or village elected officials not a school board.
Just for the record:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF
Search for “groomer” yields 0/0
It wouldn’t be a Reason Roundtable without mock libertarians regurgatating ActBlue talking points.
It’s really become a clown car at Reason. As many of you, I only come for the comments. Despite the progressive trolls.
^
Great path to success limiting people in your movement.
Also a great path to Progressive totalitarian control
“Also a great path to Progressive totalitarian control”
Well, that is Reason’s purpose.
Gillespie: I don’t see how anyone could be both racist and libertarian.
This guy: HOW WILL WE EVER WIN AN ELECTION WITHOUT THE NAZI VOTE
The tent is too big. Just look at Jesse and Mother’s Lament. They LOVE Big Government Trump conservatism. The minimum low bar for libertarians is that government should at least not grow. Yet the Trump Cult defends record high spending.
Pure comedy gold.
You’re another that supported Trump’s record spending jag.
WE NEEDED THAT MASSIVE SPENDING TO GIT TRUMP RE-ELECTED!
Never pretend to be a libertarian again.
You just look like a douchebag.
Pelosi’s spending.
Explain again how an unvetoable spending bill and then two bills he actually refused to sign, were Trump’s fault.
“They LOVE
Big GovernmentTrump conservatism.”Most libertarian president in 90 years.
TDS doesn’t allow for that type of nuance.
By the way ML. I’m first on his list. Suck it. Haha.
FUCK!
But sarc was responding to you this am, so your off his mute list altogether.
And what list is more important that sarc’s?
Sounds like you’re having a groomer panic, groomer. Hysterical.
“You just look like a douchebag.”
But you look like a pedophile, which is actually much much worse.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. Rather than follow the will of Reason’s staff, you resurrected that identity and continue to post here. A decent person would realize how abhorrent this behavior is, burn the SPB identity and return under some new handle. While that wouldn’t change your despicable appetites, it would at least respect a community’s wishes to not mix with pedophiles. But since you have no shame, the only thing I and others can do is point out your past behavior rather than converse with you.
^
I just have the stupid kidfucker muted, but I appreciate that there are people who can take him out behind the woodshed like this.
LOL. Because we constantly expose your Soros funded idiocy doesn’t make us big government trump supporters dummy. Wow, you are flailing extra hard today. Did you get fired from Act Blue?
You have yet to find a form of government you don’t support growing.
Name one big government program I support, I’ll wait.
Plus, is the “Libertarian tent” too big?
I’ve been told the Reason comment section tent is too big.
All of this, however, is a convoluted way for me to say the LP of NH, the Mises Caucus, and last week’s Roundtable emailer are not libertarian and should stop using the word.
The Mises Caucus stopped the LPNH from going woke.
LPNH tried to go full authoritarian and change all their bylaws by single vote voting when that happened lol.
At least we know White Mike started submitting questions.
“Can a tent be too big? I understand the definition of libertarianism is fluid, but there has to be limits to that. Any time someone tries to nail down a few ideas, it’s always countered with them saying “no true Scotsman fallacy” or “libertarianism is the goal, but we need to be pragmatic in the short term”. All of this, however, is a convoluted way for me to say the LP of NH, the Mises Caucus, and last week’s Roundtable emailer are not libertarian and should stop using the word. DeSantinistas, Trumpers, pro-Putin trad cons, and all right-wing reactionaries need to be disavowed and loudly.”
Sounds like one of our progressive, liberal trolls sent the round table an email. Notice, there isn’t one criticism here of progressives or Democrats. Of course, Reason editors approve.
No actual bad policies called out, just names. Yep, sounds like Dee.
“DeSantinistas”
Seriously libtards, your stupidity knows no bounds. TDS is clearly fatal and a precursor to DDS.
They’re butthurt because we’ve called them Reasonistas for years.
Americans too
https://twitter.com/AreOhEssEyeEe/status/1513482958119841792?t=veJG143grr5YPgrhfndGhg&s=19
Interesting how Canadians are screaming “Free Ukraine” while their own country is being turned into a dictatorship right in front of their eyes. How is it that they don’t see this?
Oh we’re totally aware. Just like in America, most of us bemoan it, but others celebrate it.
“All of this, however, is a convoluted way for me to say the LP of NH, the Mises Caucus, and last week’s Roundtable emailer are not libertarian and should stop using the word.”
This is batshit insane. If the Mises Caucus is not libertarian, then you are basically saying that libertarianism can only be populated people who CHOOSE to live a liberal progressive life. And that is just absurd.
Last night my family settled in to watch a documentary about Dolphins. Among the potential shows we could have watched, the wife and I excluded vulgar standup comedy, gory/rapey anime, and action flicks. This wasn’t us being intolerant. It was us choosing which content to consume. That is freedom, not some un-libertarian behavior.
When I exercise control over my kids’ education, I am not being intolerant, I am exercising choice. I am choosing the product that my child will consume. It’s a god damned, crying shame, that progressives have created a system where my ability to choose that product requires me to negotiate with the parents of the school, district, state and nation. The libertarian answer to that is *not* to demonize me for exercising control over my kids’ education. It is to demonize the people on the left (and in some cases the right) who stand in the way of creating truly free schools. They should be cheering parents getting involved at the school level to tailor education for the smallest number of kids possible, and hoping for the day when choosing the content of curriculum means impacting only your kids.
That question was submitted by the “bake the cake” form of big L party invaded by leftists who don’t want to be called leftists.
Only facebook and Twitter don’t have to bake the cake. Because they’d bake it anyway.
https://twitter.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1513653574785503233?t=bia0BaCYGG_r0WFXzHKvgg&s=19
Endorsement from Congressman Raskin, the son of Soviet asset Marcus Raskin who headed a Washington institute that ran Soviet active measures operations. Jamie Raskin still defends his father’s pro-Kremlin work, while praising Fiona Hill as his “friend.”
[Link]
You know who else “ran Soviet active measures operations?”
https://www.rebelnews.com/rebel_news_has_obtained_global_affairs_documents_regarding_wef_great_reset_meetings
The World Economic Forum planning documents hinted at a desire to use COVID instability to restructure society, cancel oil and gas development and censor the Internet.
How the fuck did these people get in control of ostensibly capitalist institutions. I looked away for a few years and all the paragons of capitalism- banks, economics forums, chambers of commerce, etc- all turned into Post-Capitalist, crypto-marxist whack jobs.
The long march through the institutions.
Because they are robber barons, basically. They want to control all the wealth using whatever means possible.
Federal employment regulations caused all the big corps to hire HR personnel. HR was the foot in the door. Things really turned south in 2009 when HR managers started wielding legal authority over corporate boards.
Essentially HR is the placement of government political officers in the major corporations.
And it goes back to the more poorly thought out parts of the CRA of 1964. Govt not discriminating or passing laws forcing people to was needed but the whole govt getting to decide on free trade between two parties and in organizations just opened the door to pretty much all the battles since. In a free society you decide who you want to be friends with, where to shop, where to eat, who to sleep with, where to work and so on. Social outcomes must come after liberty
Newsflash: Banks, Chambers of Commerce, and most economic forums never were Pro-Free-Market Capitalism, only Pro-Corprativism and Pro-Welfare Statism.
Now, they have a Pro-Communist flavor mixed in courtesy of Red China and Wokeism.
And if Putin gets a toe-hold on 1/4th of the world’s wheat suppl in Ukraine, then there will also be Pro-Revanchism in the mix. And if Saudi Arabia and Iran get their oil market share back because of the U.S. cutting off it’s own oil spigot, then Pro-Islamofascism will once again try making everything in the marketplace halal and maybe bring on Neo-Prohibitionism.
Basically, it is a shitty time for Secular, Western, Classical Liberal/Libertarian, Free-Market Capitalist ideals and their practice. Libertarians may need to ditch the tent and build a fort.
Your electric transportation future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUGEFErXxA
That guy gets a 0/10 for his response.
Yeah that was pathetic.
When after running around like a frightened chicken he fell on his ass I laughed so hard.
10/10 from me. Would love to watch him respond to other emergencies.
I think you’re on to a new reality show.
Suderman is exactly right here. The “Don’t Say Gay” law is warmed-over 1990’s/early 2000’s homophobia from Team Red, that’s been stripped of the Bible/Jesus talk and now pushed in the context of an absurd moral panic that we need to pass these types of laws in order to “protect kids from sex talk”. I’m willing to bet the number of weirdos in this country who actually want to teach little kids about graphic sex acts could all fit in a single phone booth. The rest of us normal people who object to this Don’t Say Gay law oppose it not because we want to talk about sex acts with kindergartners, but because it treats any discussion of homosexuality AS IF IT WERE no different than discussion of graphic sex acts. That homosexuality itself is lewd, indecent, profane, perverted, and that little kids have to be protected from even hearing about it. No, little kids can absolutely handle age-appropriate discussions about sexual orientations (“sometimes a man falls in love with a woman, and sometimes a man falls in love with a man”) – after all they learn about Prince Charming and Snow White from movies geared directly towards them, right? It is a matter of fact that there exist men who love other men, and women who love other women. When exactly should children find out about this? When should schools, parents, anyone really, talk to kids and say “hey, those two men who are holding hands and kissing, they are not bad people, they are two people who love each other just like Prince Charming loves Snow White”. When does that discussion occur?
The point of this law is not to protect kids from “sex talk” because that wasn’t happening anyway. The point of this law is to stigmatize homosexuality and treat being gay as perverted and indecent.
I thought, after Ogerbefell, and people stopped making a huge deal about gay marriage anymore, that maybe Team Red begrudgingly came around to the idea that gays are fundamentally no different than straights. Turns out, though, they didn’t; they just called a truce, and now the truce is over. I am sure they are now planning on ways to undo the legality of gay marriage based on concocting some absurd moral panic to serve as a Trojan horse for this agenda, like they have done here.
Collectivistjeff child groomer apparently equates homosexuality with pedophilia.
Pretty fucking bigoted.
No, that’s you and your tribe. Why else would so many people who support this law purposefully conflate “discussions about sexual orientation” with “graphic sex talk”? Answer: it is because you want to create a moral panic about “graphic sex talk in elementary school” and your “fix” is to ban discussions of anything non-heterosexual in elementary school.
Go away, groomer.
That’s a lot of words from Jeffy just to say that he wants to indoctrinate kids.
Allowing children to be groomed seems VERY important to you Jeffy.
“The “Don’t Say Gay” law is warmed-over 1990’s/early 2000’s homophobia from Team Red, that’s been stripped of the Bible/Jesus talk and now pushed in the context of an absurd moral panic that we need to pass these types of laws in order to “protect kids from sex talk”. ”
A completely unsupported assertion. But here we see that you have moved off of “We should allow all content even if it is uncomfortable, because ‘free expression'” and have now moved to broad generalizations of the people you disagree with. This is quite noteworthy because it calls into question whether you ever cared about free expression in the first place.
” I’m willing to bet the number of weirdos in this country who actually want to teach little kids about graphic sex acts could all fit in a single phone booth.”
And yet these books really do exist and they exist in libraries at schools. Gender Queer, which shows men in graphical sexual embrace and performing oral sex has no place in my kids’ school. It has nothing to do with gay sex- I don’t want heterosexual versions of that shit for my kids.
That doesn’t make me homophobic, and you, chemjeff, are an asshole for trying to push that narrative.
And by the way, even IF I were homophobic, so fucking what? They are my children, not yours. Part of having a free society means people get to have bad opinions. People get to pass bad opinions onto their kids. It’s a bummer that people have socialized education, but until we change that, parents have every right to determine the appropriate ideas for their children, and you as a purported libertarian have ZERO right to tell people how they ought to raise their own kids, even if they put out racist biggots, or far worse, marxist revolutionaries.
“This is quite noteworthy because it calls into question whether you ever cared about free expression in the first place.”
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
“And yet these books really do exist and they exist in libraries at schools.”
They’ve been linked to repeatedly for Lying Jeffy. And like all other evidence that contradicts his positions, he pretends it never happened. Because he’s dishonest.
Do you remember the “don’t say straight` bills of the late 90s, early 2000s which passed without fanfare in America’s most progressive districts? I do.
People who MAKE EXCUSES FOR OTHERS DOING WRONG ARE THEMSELVES PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Too many chems for Jeffy to think straight or even bother with actual facts.
Children can easily wait until puberty , when it becomes relevant.
Give me your children when they are young and I will have them for life……this is what is going on!!!!
Uhmmmmm, the Colt 45s ( which I thought was a beer) changing their name to the Houston Astros was the last time a baseball team changed its name?!?!?
Where is Reasons headquarters again? Where do most of the people on the podcast live?
… How about the Montreal Expos becoming the Washington Nationals?
Malt liquor.
Bull!
1970s & 1980s Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull commercials w/musical guests
https://youtu.be/estYCgx0JSE
Even Characters beloved by Libertarians like The Bull:
1978 Schlitz Malt Liquor “Kevin Kline – Robin Hood Don’t say beer say bull” TV Commercial
https://youtu.be/9kV9uMmeBUA
Gunga Din Schlitz Malt Liquor Beer – USA – Don’t say beer, say bull 1978
https://youtu.be/R5hwhLQnnik
Or more recently, the Devil Rays becoming the Rays.
Didn’t Cleveland just change its team name to the Guardians?
Really good article from a former NATO officer and UN official
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So, the standard for the gang at Reason is “Libertarianism should never tolerate in any way being associated with racists. Kiddie diddlers, on the other hand….”
Congratulations, guys! You’ve become just the same sort of moral authoritarians you’ve been telling us we should check under the bed for Christian fundamentalists to guard ourselves against. It’s just with a different book of relative sins.
nuclear weapons have very expensive maintenance. US pays 60 billion dollar a year to mantain them. If you dont do that they lose their power.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57240
I’ll gladly chip in my Batchelor’s Mite if it means having a Big Stick to stave off The Butchers of Mecca, Tehran, The Kremlin, and Beijing!
What I don’t like chipping in for are Wars On Poverty, Drugs, and The 15-Minutes-of Huckle-Buck Moral Panic of the Day!
Once upon a time “liberalism” was a good word. It means freedom, liberty, individualism, the rule of law, due process, etc. Then the progressives stole the word and it now means the opposite. So people have to use “classic liberalism” to mean the same thing. American conservatism of the Taft, Buckley, Goldwater, Reagan variety was liberal (opposite of illiberal) but with a more cold war bent to it.
The same is happening to “libertarianism”. It’s being stolen by the authoritarian right, and they’re trying to define it as anti-trade, anti-immigration, culture war ideology. People literally claiming that Trump was the most libertarian president ever.
Liberalism is not statist progressivism, and libertarianism is not populist authoritarianism..
I consider myself to be libertarian.
I did not vote for the douchebag Trump in 2016, nor did I vote for the utterly despicable Clinton.
However, I voted for Trump’s policies in 2020 because those policies are the most libertarian in my lifetime.
Trump being the most libertarian president in my lifetime is not a good thing IMO. I don’t consider him to be libertarian. I consider him to be a statist douche.
What I recognize is that the US Feds have gone full blown NAZI since the war on drugs and it will take someone who is a lot nastier and meaner than I am to clean it out. While I may find Trump as abrasive as a Brillo pad, IMO that is exactly what DC needs.
Was it the rampant socialist emergency checks, the putting people in cages for having brown skin, or the attempt to steal the presidency?
Lol, Jesus Christ you people.
putting people in cages for having brown skin? I’m sure my skin is browner than you buddy and I didn’t get put in a cage.
I’m not a libertarian and Trump WAS the most libertarian. And I agree with Mr. Kerman that that is a sad state.
He wasn’t a libertarian. He was a federalist, American nationalist. But his FEDERALISM made him more libertarian than any other president before him. Because every other president is/was MORE central-statist than him.
Wow you are on a different planet. Libertarians believe in free and open trade. What we have is not that. Free trade doesn’t need 1,000 page agreements that deindustrialize America so our pols in DC can buy votes with printed Fed money. You want free trade? Easy everyone go back to the gold standard and not tariffs or subsidizes. Immigration? Nation States exist to protect my natural rights. Open boarders threaten my liberty. Culture war? What do you mean? Abortion? Sorry not in the Bill of Rights. It is a State issue absent a Constitutional Amendment. Trans issues? Sorry but govt schools are not there to have “therapists” roam the hall to convince youngsters they are really the opposite sex that they biologically are. that is fing child abuse.
Nothing wrong with traditional values like marriage, not having kids out of marriage, works, savings, honesty and virtue.
You need to focus on the real issues: The Fed, deficit spending and monetary policy, wars, the govt state, big tech censoring free speech, and complexes (military, educational, healthcare) that are attacking liberty.
I sure wish reason would return to being a Libertarian magazine instead of the PC semi-leftist joke it is turning into.
I feel Reason is in NO position to judge what is Libertarian as they have shown that they no longer know on many fronts.
Von Mises not libertarian? Libertarian New Hampshire not libertarian? What are you smoking guys? The “left retards” who took over the movement pushing …ahmmmm… open borders, abortion, pot (ok I’m fine with that one), and sending “LBGQ” therapists into 1st grade to see if Billy plays with his sister’s Fighter Pilot Barbie Doll and start chemical castration procedures have lost their mind.
Libertarianism is about sound money, free markets, limited govt, and peace. And yes, nation states to protect our natural rights. The Reason types always are looking for “right wingers” under the bed when they are getting bent over by lefties. I know I know..Matt and his friends just want to be the “cool” kids with their friends at Salon, Wapo, Slate and so on.
This kills you guys, but Ron Paul did more for the movement than Nick or Matt or Bill Weld ever did. I can’t wait for the Von Mises caucus to take over the LP..and watch ENB’s and “Cuties” heads explode.
Is the “Libertarian tent” too big? Who gets to determine who is a libertarian and what ideas are libertarian.
I don’t feel that any idea is specifically libertarian. For example open borders versus some border security versus total border lock-down or even the total mess we currently have.
Pragmatically I don’t feel that the goal of open borders is achievable in the short term. I do however believe that progress can be made. Our current mess is far too bureaucratic, takes far too long and is a hot potato that neither the Republicans or Democrats want to solve.
To me entitlements are tied to open borders goal and it has an economic ramifications. The issue will need to be incrementally solved backing away of the artificial incentives that Washington DC has in place.
Quotas are unfair, but giving out entitlements are also unfair. If migrating to the US make economic sense, then sweetening up the pot is not necessary. If the incentive is freedom then sweetening up the pot is also not necessary.
My point is that libertarians do not have power and it takes power to make change. If I agree with a person more than 50 percent of the time then that person is an ally 50% of the time. The label is for the most part meaningless.
Instead of debating if the tent is too large and calling someone whom you agree with 75% of the time a racist, instead ally with them 75% of the time.